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fignewtonz (03/07/2012) [-] stickied
I just want to make a few points that will probably make me sound like an asshole, but here it goes.
First of all, of the $8.3 Million that Invisible Children spent in 2011, only about $2.8 Million (roughly 31%) actually made it to Uganda, and that amount was likely further whittled down by the government, meaning the actual children got much much less. In contrast, Invisible Children spent about $2.8 Million just on the filming and producing the Kony movie (and movies like it). Essentially, they spent more charity money making a movie about their charity than they actually gave to the children.
Now, the goal of this video isn't necessarily to bring in money to go directly to the children, but to help indirectly by pressuring the US government to get involved. And that's great... except for one thing. I gather that most of you are Ron Paul supporters, yes? And what has been his rallying cry throughout his entire campaign? "No policing the world."
Think about what IC wants and decide if that is what you want. They want us to basically use our military to fix Africa. I think everyone can agree that what Kony has done is absolutely horrific and it should be stopped, but do you really want us to get militarily involved in Africa?
I'm not saying you shouldn't support Kony 2012, but I am saying that if you choose to do so, you should do some additional research and figure out what exactly it is that you're supporting, because all of the information needed to determine that is not going to be found in this video.
First of all, of the $8.3 Million that Invisible Children spent in 2011, only about $2.8 Million (roughly 31%) actually made it to Uganda, and that amount was likely further whittled down by the government, meaning the actual children got much much less. In contrast, Invisible Children spent about $2.8 Million just on the filming and producing the Kony movie (and movies like it). Essentially, they spent more charity money making a movie about their charity than they actually gave to the children.
Now, the goal of this video isn't necessarily to bring in money to go directly to the children, but to help indirectly by pressuring the US government to get involved. And that's great... except for one thing. I gather that most of you are Ron Paul supporters, yes? And what has been his rallying cry throughout his entire campaign? "No policing the world."
Think about what IC wants and decide if that is what you want. They want us to basically use our military to fix Africa. I think everyone can agree that what Kony has done is absolutely horrific and it should be stopped, but do you really want us to get militarily involved in Africa?
I'm not saying you shouldn't support Kony 2012, but I am saying that if you choose to do so, you should do some additional research and figure out what exactly it is that you're supporting, because all of the information needed to determine that is not going to be found in this video.
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maid (03/08/2012) [-] What you dont seem to understand is that "KONY 2012" never would have gotten our attention if they wouldnt have made the movie. You have to spend some to win some as they say, without the movie barley no one would know about this.
4 days made ~40.000.000 views on youtube only, lets say that 10% will donate $5. That euqals $20.000.000 (In 4 days only).
Do you understand their point of view know?
4 days made ~40.000.000 views on youtube only, lets say that 10% will donate $5. That euqals $20.000.000 (In 4 days only).
Do you understand their point of view know?
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sealofapproval (03/08/2012) [-] i agree entirely. our economy isnt going to get any better by spending millions on declaring a war against something that doesnt affect us. doing the right thing sure is great but when you are trillions of dollars in debt you can only be capable of so much charity
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irapedpedobear (03/08/2012) [-] when did intellectual conversations start popping up on funnyjunk?
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TOfanman (03/08/2012) [-] At the risk of ridicule, I disagree with Kony, the Ugandan hero's point. While I do agree that any money thrown at Ugana to solve the problem is doing little to nothing, that is not the main point of this movement. The main point is to get Koney (not spelling it right to avoid filter) known. This doesn't involve funding any organization, but rather contacting celebrities and politicians and letting them know what the public want. When everyone is on the same page, the US (or any other) government can and will fund some sort of anti-Kony action. Whether it be supplying Uganda with training and technology, or direct military aid, it will not be wasted. Unlike most other organizations that claim to "help countries in need", the money won't be divided up by government or regime leaders. Why? It will be run by our first world government, which is a lot more organized and carries a lot more authority then a community bake sale for Haiti or some shit.
Spreading the word is not "Armchair Activism", but rather how civilians of a country influence their government. If 100 or so personnel were sent to Uganda just by a small group of people's persistence, imagine what could happen if we get the entire country on board?
This wouldn't be some lengthy military endeavor either. It isn't exactly like Iraq or Afghanistan. It's basically just a really big gang in a third world country. Any action that is taken against Koney's rebels would be done with quickly, so no worries about the financial or human cost.
For those who TL;DR'd:
I say that spreading the word to other people, celebrities, and politicians would inevitably cause government intervention and justice. Don't just throw money at some charity group though, they don't know what they're doing.
Spreading the word is not "Armchair Activism", but rather how civilians of a country influence their government. If 100 or so personnel were sent to Uganda just by a small group of people's persistence, imagine what could happen if we get the entire country on board?
This wouldn't be some lengthy military endeavor either. It isn't exactly like Iraq or Afghanistan. It's basically just a really big gang in a third world country. Any action that is taken against Koney's rebels would be done with quickly, so no worries about the financial or human cost.
For those who TL;DR'd:
I say that spreading the word to other people, celebrities, and politicians would inevitably cause government intervention and justice. Don't just throw money at some charity group though, they don't know what they're doing.
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fignewtonz (03/08/2012) [-] i agree with you about awareness not being useless, but I do disagree with your thing about the military. Uganda's government is just as fucked up if not more so than Kony is. Anything we give them in the name of fighting Kony will just be used by the government to do the exact same shit Kony is being condemned for.
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zombiefacepuncher (03/08/2012) [-] these guys were rebels too. Should we have stopped them aswell?
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icameheretofap **User deleted account** (03/07/2012) [-] This guy actually has his shit together, thank you, seriously, thank you. These people are also acting like this is something new when this has been going on for A very long time now, I mean these people watch a 30 minute video and become a social activist based off of very little information and it's not like the government are going to listen to a load of facebook posts, things like this should be set out properly not just point A gun at it and say HUR DUR problem solved, again, thank you. Here's your prize.
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thegreatsaiyaman (03/07/2012) [-]
"but do you really want us to get militarily involved in Africa? " The US has been militarily involved in African for decades, did you forget that Africa possesses diamonds, oil and precious metals that are far more important than young children?
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rageoc **User deleted account** (03/07/2012) [-] Just want to say one thing. I know 31% is not much, but there are alot of charities who give about the same amount. I am not sure about this, but many times I have heard of only 20-25% that goes to the actual case. Red Cross and Salvation Army I think are the only ones who have a high prosent(between 80-90%). I am not sure of this but I feel I just needed to say what was on my mind :)
Sorry for all grammar mistakes but I am not from an English speaking country :)
Sorry for all grammar mistakes but I am not from an English speaking country :)
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fignewtonz (03/07/2012) [-] No, this shit broke my heart when I first saw it. I am still trying to figure out what can be done about it. I just think this particular video is a bit misleading and misguided and that Invisible Children is a shady organization
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fignewtonz (03/07/2012) [-] Good try! The Ugandan military is just as awful, if not worse, than Kony's army. they do just as much raping and child enslaving as Kony does. This is Africa we're talking about. If you think OUR government is bad, you should see theirs. The fact that IC supports Uganda's government is as big of a reason to not support IC as any
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sgently (03/07/2012) [-] couldn't have used this on a better post. although awareness WILL ALWAYS BE KEY IN ANY WORLD ISSUE, IC is just a couple of producers that found a story and made an MTV-esque movie about it, and all of a sudden it turns into some fad. I'm glad this went well fj.. you can kiss your activism goodbye on 4chan.
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justiceforallone (03/07/2012) [-]
I was a bit skeptical while watching the movie. I did some search and found a great article about it.
visiblechildren.tumblr.com/
visiblechildren.tumblr.com/
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fignewtonz (03/07/2012) [-] This guy makes a better argument than me:
http://seet.weebly.com/1/post/2012/03/concerning-kony-2012.html
One notable statistic from this article is that IC has three CEOs that make a combined $262,287. That is in contrast with other comparable charities whose CEOs make about $40,000.
They have also refused to be audited as a charity organization, the benefits of which are enormous in terms of credibility and support, so the question is, why would you refuse to be audited unless you are hiding something?
http://seet.weebly.com/1/post/2012/03/concerning-kony-2012.html
One notable statistic from this article is that IC has three CEOs that make a combined $262,287. That is in contrast with other comparable charities whose CEOs make about $40,000.
They have also refused to be audited as a charity organization, the benefits of which are enormous in terms of credibility and support, so the question is, why would you refuse to be audited unless you are hiding something?
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comradewinter ONLINE (03/07/2012) [-]
I can back up this post.
Take a gander at these links:
ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-visible-problem-with-invisible-children/
^This one is about how Kony and LRA hasn't been active for about 7 years, and it's rumored that he's either dead or lost leadership over the army.
www.topix.com/forum/city/stuart-fl/TQJSGHMES035Q6OI0
^How the Invisible Children is using very little money on actually helping Uganda, and instead advertising for their own group.
c2052482.r82.cf0.rackcdn.com/images/830/original/AR11_small_final.pdf?1323127778
^Proof to back up the theory that IC is only spending 37% of the money on Uganda, and the rest to themselves and advertising.
All in all professional fraud.
Then again, it's great that people get to know Joseph Kony, he's an evil motherfucker. Even though Invisible Children claims he has taken 30.000 children and the actual number is between 10-15 000 it's still a huge number. Whether or not IC is legit, they make a difference by making Kony famous. And since that's their goal they do a fine job.
Take a gander at these links:
ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-visible-problem-with-invisible-children/
^This one is about how Kony and LRA hasn't been active for about 7 years, and it's rumored that he's either dead or lost leadership over the army.
www.topix.com/forum/city/stuart-fl/TQJSGHMES035Q6OI0
^How the Invisible Children is using very little money on actually helping Uganda, and instead advertising for their own group.
c2052482.r82.cf0.rackcdn.com/images/830/original/AR11_small_final.pdf?1323127778
^Proof to back up the theory that IC is only spending 37% of the money on Uganda, and the rest to themselves and advertising.
All in all professional fraud.
Then again, it's great that people get to know Joseph Kony, he's an evil motherfucker. Even though Invisible Children claims he has taken 30.000 children and the actual number is between 10-15 000 it's still a huge number. Whether or not IC is legit, they make a difference by making Kony famous. And since that's their goal they do a fine job.
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fignewtonz (03/07/2012) [-] I think it is great that people are becoming aware of issues in Africa as a whole, and i think good things will come of it, but I think it will come from the people who do things on their own or through other charities and not through IC rallying people to lobby the government into taking military action
