wizards of the middle earth. .. I really wonder why Saruman was made the "mightiest" of the Istari when Gandalf was known to be the wisest of the Maiar... wizards of the middle earth I really wonder why Saruman was made "mightiest" Istari when Gandalf known to be wisest Maiar
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User avatar #1 - ljxjlos
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I really wonder why Saruman was made the "mightiest" of the Istari when Gandalf was known to be the wisest of the Maiar...
#2 to #1 - rimjobmcgee
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I want to know what the two blue mages story was. Going to the east/west (can't remember) and never returning, tells me there's a great story there
User avatar #4 to #2 - ljxjlos
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There´s very few information about them. For example that, without their involvement in the east, the eastling/haradrim-armies that came to the siege of Minas Tirith would have been way bigger. Actually, so overwhelming big that they could simply have over-run the Rohirim and taken Minas Tirith without problems. It´s also stated that they found "several magical traditions" were they wandered ..if you search for a while, you´ll find some info, but not too much.
#6 to #4 - rimjobmcgee
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I know there's some, but I really want at least a trilogy about their full story. Think they'd let someone write it, if whoever owns the copyright got a cut of the profits?
User avatar #8 to #6 - ljxjlos
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I dunno. I think most writers know that they can´t compete with Tolkiens works and so they decide to leave it alone. I write, myself, but I´d never dream about writing something in Tolkiens Universe. It would feel respectless...He´s like a God, what literature is concerend.
#10 to #8 - rimjobmcgee
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Very true, but I feel with the blue wizards who are so rarely mentioned, as long as it tied into the story the way it does, that and only that, would be ok, and only because they are left so open, and only with an author that can make the eastling a culture worthy of Tolkien
User avatar #13 to #10 - ljxjlos
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I guess...yet, it´s hard to find someone who would want to write the work of another author, especially if it´s a person öike tolkien...
#14 to #13 - rimjobmcgee
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That's the catch 22, those who can would never want to, and those who want to nee could. New idea, we clone Tolkien, black magick him alive again, something like that lol
User avatar #16 to #14 - ljxjlos
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That would probably be the best idea.
#3 to #1 - wiess
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I could be wrong, but I thought that Saruman was made the "mightiest" because Gandalf turned it down. I'm off to do a little reading on the subject. I will return with a definite answer, if I can find one.
User avatar #5 to #3 - ljxjlos
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As far as I know, he only turned down the post of the leader of the Council, when he already has arrived in middle-earth. But Saruman was the leader of the "Wizards" when they were sent from Valinor, that´s what leaves me puzzled...
#7 to #5 - wiess
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Ok, I've read up a bit on it. And when they first came to Middle Earth, Saruman was the strongest of the five wizards, but as time went on, eventualy Gandalf had gained more knowledge and power and passed Saruman as the strongest.
User avatar #9 to #7 - ljxjlos
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I knew that, strenght-wise, Saruman surpassed Gandalf, but the Istari weren´t sent as Warriors. They were even restricted in what they were able to do / how they would be able to use their powers. And seeing that they were send as councelors, wouldn´t the wisest be chosen over the strongest as the leader of the mission? Dunno. Thanks for the help, tho....
#11 to #9 - wiess
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Well that is part of what I said. Saruman was the wisest to begin, but Gandalf spent his time on Middle Earth teaching and learning from all that he met.
User avatar #12 to #11 - ljxjlos
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On this point you´re wrong, tho. Gandalf has, from the beginning on, in the Silmarillion, been stated to be the wisest of all the Maiar, even more-so than the likes of Uinen, Melian or even Eonwe....
#15 to #12 - wiess
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It's been some time since I've read the Silmarillion, and even so only the first half. All I know is that Saruman was the strongest and most knowledgeable of middle of the five when they first arrived. Other then that I can't tell you why he was leader over Gandalf.