well...n-no shit?. I guess its correct? I mean I don't really have time to argue it, so its right.. why did the Chicken cross spluging Donkey
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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#14 - subtard
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#239 to #14 - fackyazombies
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This makes everything so clear about just how stupid the argument sounds
User avatar #1 - sumsar
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when will we live in an age, were a chicken can cross the road without his motives being questioned?
User avatar #38 to #1 - envinite
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Probably the same age when people stop asking what did the fox says or who let the dogs out.
#76 to #38 - anon id: a701a177
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But only one of those were good memorable songs.
#2 to #1 - orangadink [OP]
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perhaps some day
#8 - kulamia
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UGH! I am so triggered right now! I cannot believe this reminded me of this time that I shot myself in the leg because I was fumbling around with one of those murder machines trying to show society why they're so dangerous! Proved my point!   
   
I don't care that I was being reckless in a dangerous situation, it's all everybody else's fault for not making the world safe for me!   
   
 But really, if someone is raped it is not all their fault, the rapist is to blame. BUT it pisses me off to see this "make the world safe for me so I don't have to expend ANY energy protecting myself or minimizing danger" crap.
UGH! I am so triggered right now! I cannot believe this reminded me of this time that I shot myself in the leg because I was fumbling around with one of those murder machines trying to show society why they're so dangerous! Proved my point!

I don't care that I was being reckless in a dangerous situation, it's all everybody else's fault for not making the world safe for me!

But really, if someone is raped it is not all their fault, the rapist is to blame. BUT it pisses me off to see this "make the world safe for me so I don't have to expend ANY energy protecting myself or minimizing danger" crap.
#27 to #8 - friedpotatoes
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I agree. Same logic applies when you left your car in a ghetto neighborhood with the window open for just 5 minutes, the radio is going to be missing, and it'll be your fault that you left the car like that.
#60 to #8 - anon id: 7143c5ca
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That's not what this is. This is women defending themselves against men saying they "Deserve" rape because they were dressed "slutty", or saying women aren't allowed to go out drinking and etc. or they're "asking for rape".
#240 to #8 - okappadesu
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See, that's where the problem is. Some women get outright blamed for being raped, removing some of the blame from the rapists because it's "male nature".

How you deal with precaution is one thing and should be made clear, but the actual rape should not ever be blamed on the girl.

It's like walking across the street where you have green light, but instead of looking to check for cars, you just cross. Some asshole didn't follow the rules, and you get hit by his car because of him. You could probably have looked at the street to make sure that you wouldn't get hit, but you shouldn't have had to and the blame should never be put on you, but if you want to avoid someone ******* up and not following the rules, you should consider taking precautious action.
User avatar #245 to #240 - cadencee
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The problem still stands, you are responsible for your own safety after all. Society, try as it might cannot childproof the world so that you (as a general term) can do whatever you'd like. For example if a woman is walking down an alleyway or through a park at 2 am in the morning and she gets raped, legally/ethically speaking it is not her fault but logically? That is a different story, she took the risk and she knew that it was a risk so in my view this specific hypothetical woman is partially to blame.
#250 to #245 - okappadesu
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The very least you can do is read what I write, where I have already addressed what you say now.

The TL;DR version is that your opinion is naive and childish.

The, short answer is pretty much this. The taking of precautious action and the misdeed are things to be considered seperate events.
User avatar #272 to #250 - cadencee
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and stop blaming the people who follow the rules* somehow that last part got cut off
User avatar #271 to #250 - cadencee
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Naive? Really? You think that my opinion is naive? All I am saying is that every single person has a responsibility to make sure they do not put themselves in unnecessarily dangerous positions. How is that in any way childish? Let alone naive?

You do know what the word means right? You may as well have called it shallow and pedantic. Sure, taking precautions and misdeeds are seperate events, no one is disputing that. Just don't expect everyone to follow the god damn rules, that would be naive and childish. Take care of yourself and stop blaming the people and make a conscious effort to make sure it doesn't happen again.

That is all you can do, that is all anyone can do and it is neither childish nor naive. Jesus christ.
#275 to #271 - okappadesu
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It's naive because it only takes a few small amount of things into account.

"Just don't expect everyone to follow the god damn rules, that would be naive and childish." At no point was it assumed that everybody followed the rules.

Really, you should learn to read what is written and try to understand it for what it is, instead of what you want it to mean.

I will show you your biggest fault, because you apparently can't see it: "That is a different story, she took the risk and she knew that it was a risk so in my view this specific hypothetical woman is partially to blame."

What you're saying there is that she is partially to blame for being raped. You appear as if you understand the seperation of events, so you saying this would have to be a result of you being a dumbass.

Blame her for not wearing appropriate clothing. Do not blame her for being raped.
User avatar #277 to #275 - cadencee
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You seem to be struggling with the same issues you are projecting onto me. The action of rape itself is not at all her fault. However there was a very real risk of something bad happening, not for wearing provocative clothing but for taking the shortcut through the park or alleyway in the middle of the night.

All I was saying is that people are responsible for the risks that they take, the fact that she got raped was irrelevant to this point. If I walk through the middle of a group of gangmembers rather than walk around and they attack me, that is partially my fault. Not that they attacked me but that I took a risk and came up short.

You seem to misconstrue my point and attack this point over and over while not actually saying anything at all. The issue we seem to have here is the correlation/causation issue.

If a woman is wearing provocative clothing and gets raped did the clothing influence the chances of her getting raped? Maybe yes, maybe no it would depend on the rapist.

If a woman walks through an alleyway alone at 3 oclock in the morning and she gets raped would her taking a safer route or walked with friends would the odds of her getting raped be lowered? Almost certainly. That is the difference. It isnt her fault, she did not CAUSE the rape. But she did not take steps to prevent it either, she was careless and was taken advantage of.

Please stop creating these straw men arguments.
#279 to #277 - okappadesu
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These are not straw men, you're just an idiot. You're reiterating what I just said.

You need to take some language classes, because your problem seems to be that you can't convey or understand a message correctly. Instead of whining like a retard, spend 5 minutes trying to read the message and really see if there are some parts that seem ambiguous to you.

Once you're able to do this, you should be able to understand why your opening comment was childish and pointless. Hint: Try comparing what you say in your first comment with what I say in mine.
User avatar #282 to #279 - cadencee
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I think i misread it originally. I dont even know what point you were trying to make now.
#283 to #282 - okappadesu
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I was trying to say exactly what happened here. Some people aren't capable of understanding that there's a difference between the precautious action and the misdeed itself. Therefore, they think the women can hold some responsibility in the rape and would alleviate the rapist from some of the blame.

You seem to understand that there's a difference but failed to properly communicate that this was the issue and pointlessly started an argument that would end up agreeing with me.
User avatar #284 to #283 - cadencee
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I did all this at like 3am lol. Fair enough.
#285 to #284 - okappadesu
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So don't start it at 3am if you're not able to do it right.
User avatar #286 to #285 - cadencee
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You a hardcore argument participator? Sorry, Im just a casual pleb lol.
#287 to #286 - okappadesu
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I would rather call myself an arrogant douchebag. I hate seeing people talk a lot of **** about things they don't know how to say and usually don't understand.
User avatar #288 to #287 - cadencee
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k bro, thats like 90% of people good luck
#289 to #288 - okappadesu
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You're god damned right.
User avatar #30 to #8 - citruslord
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I agree, it is the person who takes advantage of the situations fault. But at the same time, you are responsible for yourself and your actions, and unless you are completely knockout drunk, it's not rape. Although there are people who legitimately pray on women who get wasted at parties, and likely women who do the same.
But of course they are in the large minority, and no amount of regulation or college lectures will change their ways. You are literally just harming both men and women by doing so.
I always wonder, what if the man and women are both equally wasted, what is it then? Of course feminists would still call rape on the men.
#184 - kanadetenshi
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Reminder.
#215 to #184 - deletedmyaccount
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GOD yes.

I don't even mind that being illegal, but it's just not rape. If someone willingly and knowingly chooses to drink a substance that impairs their judgement, and then CONSENTS, it just shouldn't be called rape.

If someone takes advantage of you in that state, then they are dickheads and scum, but not a rapist.
#214 to #184 - brothergrimm
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I agree with what she said and commend her for not being a worthless twat like "feminists" today.... but holy **** look at the size of those sweater-hogans
I agree with what she said and commend her for not being a worthless twat like "feminists" today.... but holy **** look at the size of those sweater-hogans
#268 to #214 - anon id: f5e54890
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>stare at photo for like 5 minutes
>mfw
>scroll down, read comment
>"wtf is this dude talking about"
>turn up, read the paper
>feel bad
#5 - anon id: 682622f9
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Yep, women get raped because someone raped them. Getting drunk, drugged or being reckless makes it easier for a rapist to take advantage of a woman. Both of these statements are true facts. No one has ever tried to argue against these points. Or at least no one who isn't an idiot.
#6 to #5 - anon id: ebcaadb4
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Most acts of sexual abuse are committed by someone the victim knows, and it is generally a man who overpowers the women, so its really being a girl that's doing it.
User avatar #44 to #6 - timmywankenobi
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60/40 split is a majority but not by much, and forcible rape is actually one of the rarest types.
#61 to #5 - anon id: 77ddf51a
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That's logically false. Women WERE raped because someone raped them, not "women get raped because someone raped them."

If it was true it would mean a woman was raped because she had previously been raped and the only women who are getting raped are getting raped because they were raped before.
User avatar #22 to #5 - harkale
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You I agree with. but unfortunately there exist plenty of men and women who seem to think that a rape is somehow less serious if the woman was being somewhat irresponsible. It's dumb to dress provocatively and drink without any friends with you, but that doesn't mean that rapist is less guilty because the woman was making herself an easy target, and I've met and seen a good number of people who seem to think so.
#41 to #22 - seventucker
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the problem isn't the women who actually did get raped, it's the women who didn't get raped because even though they consented at first but later decided that they din't so now the guys in trouble because the girl decided she didn't want to think she was a whore.   
   
NOW the image on the left is rape...... or is being forced on not realllly sure
the problem isn't the women who actually did get raped, it's the women who didn't get raped because even though they consented at first but later decided that they din't so now the guys in trouble because the girl decided she didn't want to think she was a whore.

NOW the image on the left is rape...... or is being forced on not realllly sure
User avatar #46 to #41 - thealmightyantler
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That gif, I'm not sleeping tonight.
#219 to #41 - anon id: 7e3b18ad
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sauce plz mi ******
#31 - kuci
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People DO NOT get RUN OVER by a car because they were:

*Walking on green light
*Dressed in dark clothes
*At night

PEOPLE GET RUN OVER BY A CAR BECAUSE SOMEONE RAN THEM OVER.



Even better is how "I am a drunk girl, I had sex, I got "raped" because I didn't want sex when I think about it".
Drunk drivers do not get excused for driving under the influence, but women can "change" their minds when they wake up, claim it was rape (unless the "rapist" shoved drugs in their drinks) when no one else is excused when they are drunk.
#52 - lennythelyrebird
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User avatar #111 - dantemp
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If someone hurts them and forcefully has sex with them while they are screaming "No", it's rape. If they have agreed to it, it's not. Clothing, alcohol consumption and behavior prior to this don't matter. Saying that "she was asking for it" is as ignorant as bitches complaining that they realized in the morning that the one night stand wasn't a good idea.
User avatar #149 to #111 - shunkahawolf
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but what if she was literally asking for it then screamed rape later on?
User avatar #254 to #149 - dantemp
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If it's right when the act is starting, you stop. The possibility for blue balls is not an excuse to hurt someone. Women and men alike can be indecisive. If she remembered her dignity the next day, it's her damn problem. It's true that some girls say no because they want to put on a show, but if you can't recognize a playful smile from genuine fear, you shouldn't be around people at all.
#28 - nudybooty
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Not sure if this is relevant or not: I don't understand this "What were they wearing?" thing. Rape has nothing to do with how much skin you are showing off. There could be a group of 5 naked people who are all beautiful and 1 average person sitting in a corner wearing a winter parka. The rapist would choose the average girl because they go for opportunity.

Being too drunk at a bar isn't that much of an issue either (still an issue but not nearly as much as people think). If you look up rape stories most of them happen by someone the victim knows and trusts.

I mean guys and children get raped, where they showing their tits as well?
User avatar #37 to #28 - impaledsandwich
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I'm not an expert on rape, but my guess would be that the kind of person who thinks rape is a good idea also thinks that dressing provocatively is "asking for it." Because of that, normal people also ask about what the victim was wearing because they know that messed-up ***** can take it as a sign of vulnerability.

Sorry if this doesn't make much sense, I'm dead tired.
User avatar #93 to #37 - nudybooty
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I somewhat got it, I think
#84 to #28 - anon id: 07eb4f86
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@your first paragraph: your argument is an argument from exception.
Rapists are not normal human males. They have ****** up brain wiring and/or childhood trauma, not that excuses their behavior.
If rape isn't about sex and sexual attractiveness (and therefore dressing to arouse) and fertility, and is instead about "power" and "domination" as bigots/feminists claim, then why is it most women getting raped are in their late teen to mid twenties?

@3rd paragraph: yes they do get raped and, children are MORE likely to be sexually abused by their MOTHERS. Guys are raped by women at far higher rates than the general public thinks. And all this pales in comparison to the epidemic of male homosexual-on-heterosexual prison rape which nobody gives a **** about since the perpetrators are gays and everybody "knows" gays can't be aggressors. Those are all separate categories of rape.
#290 to #84 - anon id: 5a5ff576
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Well... at least the prison rape thing is only a big thing in countrys with ****** prisons.
Yes, i know that prisoners broke the law, and might have done something which the populace would love to kill them for. Yet they are still human beeings. Dunno about other parts of the world, but where I am from, prisons have the main responsibility of reeducating those criminals into functional members of society, after that the protection of the populace from criminals, and only after that the punishing of crimes (which might again be seen as educational). And keeping prison rape possible won't teach them anything other than that the authority either doesn't care for them or doesn't have the power to prevent it.
User avatar #92 to #84 - nudybooty
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you didn't read what I wrote very well
#9 - chism
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lol look at her all proud of her sign like ' i made deep thought provoking sign, take that men"
lol look at her all proud of her sign like ' i made deep thought provoking sign, take that men"