Because TR-8R doesn't make any sense in the movie.
For one, who the hell would name a stormtrooper Traitor?
For two, we seen that stormtrooper designations are two letters followed by a number string, so it doesn't fit.
And backstory already existed even before fans liked him.
So this is one of the whiniest fan whines ever.

Because YOU and no one else whined about him getting an official name that's not fan version.
No one is stopping the fans to keep calling him whatever the fuck we want. But whining that he was given an official name thats not a fan version is just annoying.

Also, he didn't almost kick his ass, he completely kicked his ass. He won that fight and would've killed Finn.

I think it was confirmed that TR8R is actually Fin's old squad member.
Like, he was the boss of the squad, he was in the top 1% of all storm troopers. They would've made him an officer if it wasnt for the fact that he cared too much about his squadmates.
Basically there was 4 of them, Fin, who had no nickname because he was "an outsider" and therefore never really fitted with the rest, Zero, Nine and Slip.
Slip was named Slip because he kept slipping up and Fin had to cover for him.
The stormtrooper that dies and leaves a mark on his mask is actually slip, it made him decide he wanted out real fucknig fast because his old squad mate that he tried so hard to save and help died on his first mission.

So basically, TR8R is really fucking pissed at Fin and I am guessing that Fin feels like defeating him makes him a little less of a stormtrooper.

But I haven't read the book yet and I might have some stuff wrong.
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its not confirmed that Finn isnt force sensitive. in fact i really want him to be one. only thing i can really base even a hope one was that kylo ren in the beginning senses something is up and looks right over at finn. maybe he sensed the light side? hopefully

I thought you had to be force sensitive to use a light sabre and cut yourself up into swiss cheese?

You don't need to be force sensitive to use a lightsaber. Granted it helps a lot, but it's not a requirement. Look at Grievous. He was not a force sensitive and he took down many Jedi. The force just helps you by showing you what will happen so you can better prepare yourself. Like if someone is going to shoot you with a blaster, the force tells you where that blaster shot will land so you can put the lightsaber in the way. If you pick up a lightsaber and you are really good with swords, it helps. Force is not required.

I'd rather he isn't force sensitive. He can be like the normal character that the audience relates too more since he's a normal dude caught up in wacky space wizard shit. Kinda like how Han was in the originals

Wouldn't that be (fuck I can't remember his name now) the pilot guy who finn helped save. God damn it, fucking weed brain fart.

There's a decent possibility that poe is force sensitive he grew up next to a magic tree

wait what?

He grew up next to a force sensitive tree luke got one of the trees and poes parents got the other

Po Dameran

Its probably how it is, cause A New Hope 2.0

Derped and didnt read your spoiler. Luke skywalker is a jedi who is found as an adult and trains with yoda as an adult. The reason people are giving the chick shit is because Luke was supposed to be more powerful than vader, and vader was supposed to be retardedly powerful as far as the force goes. And luke had an amazingly hard time trying to use the force for the first time and then she beats out a trains forced user in the fight.

So.... luke skywalker isnt a jedi.

You should really skip the Clone Wars CGI show. Just watch 4, 5, 6, 1, 2, old 2D Clone Wars, 3.
Watch them in that order. Much better that way.

The reason I say skip the CGI show is because it really doesn't even fit. It conflicts with things in the movies. Also the characters are drastically different in the movies and that show. Not a single movie mentions Ahsoka or Anakin ever having an apprentice so it just feels awkward. Trust me, if you watch CW THEN 3, everything will feel weird. The characters will feel different and it will just be bad. Honestly, I would say to just skip the CGI all together. It's mildly entertaining, but they paint every character too obvious. When you see a character, you know almost immediately which side they are on. If someone is a good guy, they are either completely good or secretly the most evil person. If you see a bad guy, they are the Disney type of bad guy where it feels like they are evil just for the sake of being evil.

The CGI tries to paint the Separatists are pure evil. Yes they do show a few peaceful ones, but they make the vast majority seem like evil maniacal warlords. In the old canon, the Separatists were more enjoyable because they actually had reasons for what they were doing other than "hurr durr imma do this because im evil lolz!". They wanted to be separate from the Republic because they felt it was a bad system(which it was) and they wanted to coexist with it peacefully, but have their own ways on their own planets. The movies even support this, but CW tosses it out the window in favor of sadistic evil warmongers.

Also, remember it's a cgi show for kids. That was made in America. We think kids don't have the mental capacity, let alone morality, to understand the grey areas. Even if the producers don't think that, they don't want to be teaching kids about how "evil" actions can be done for "good" reasons.

That still doesn't excuse them for making it "canon". Star Wars is not meant to be dumbed down that much. Also, the order you listed is not good for a first time viewer. You also left out Episode 1 entirely. That's a pretty big one to skip.

I agree with both statements. The "flashback" viewing pattern is not meant for first time viewers - it is just a fun way to watch it. I didn't come up with it, I heard of it online. They skip episode 1 since supposedly it doesn't add that much and also the general hatred of that movie.

As far as clone wars being canon, Legends (formerly EU) was completely replaced by it, since the main reason they are trying to make star wars pretty kid friendly. Also, clone wars doesn't have nearly as much going on, so it gives more room to write. Why pick clone wars and not pick-and-choose from EU? Because it's a lot easier to say "this one thing is canon" as opposed to "this is canon, not this, this is, etc."

But dang, I wish they make Mara Jade canon again. Maybe Anakin Solo can also come back, and not die super young teach his brother a lesson.

I know the CGI show replaced the old canon. I just hate it. I didn't say anything for other materialother than the movies and that old Clone Wars cartoon. We're talking about the movies right now. I know EU isn't canon anymore, but that isn't relevant. I'm saying the new CW doesn't fit with the movies so I said it's best to skip it.

I don't think Kylo has an siblings. That would be a huge thing to leave out in the movie. There was not a single mention of other children so it's reasonable to believe they aren't canon anymore.

Meh, knowing Han, probably half of the universe is an offspring of his.

Watch 4,5,2,3,6. It's like the prequels are a flashback that Vader has, which explains the backstory but then again, i've only ever watched it like that during a marathon. So maybe the effect is lost when watching them one by one.

It's not dissecting it at all. That is actually the order they were released. That's not some random order. That's actually the most commonly referred order to watch them. That's actually how most Star Wars fans watched them. The CGI Clone Wars was made years after episode 3. That's not picking and choosing what is and isn't real. The movies are the main canon. Any spin-offs that conflict with it aren't canon.

You really shouldn't watch them in chronological order if it's your first time. It's really best to watch it the order I listed. You watch 4, 5, 6 and see the main plot. 1, 2, and 3 show how that came to be. That's why they are called the prequels. If you play a game that starts out with 1 and see there is a prequel that was released after, you generally don't play that first. Prequels are generally made for people familiar with the series. The things said in prequels are generally linked to things you know in the chronologically later movie/game.

Trust me, watch them in the order I listed. Most people will say the same list, but some will leave out the 2D Clone Wars. 2D Clone Wars is optional, but I feel it fits fine and kind of bridges the gap between 2 and 3. Chronological order isn't always the best way to watch things. You should really watch them the way they were meant to be watched which is the order I gave you. It's really up to you, but I'm telling you the CGI CW will really leave a bad taste in your mouth when you get to 3. Not a single thing that happens in the show is even mentioned in 3. Not even character personalities are similar. You'll likely stick to your own order, but I just wanted to try to warn you so you didn't get a bad taste of Star Wars.

not everyone who uses the force is a jedi and/or sith.

all that nonsense about the process to become a jedi is swept under the rug after the empire takes over. luke is a jedi from the start and once trained is a fully realized jedi. Finn could still be a jedi but is not as naturally powerful as Rey who is (in theory) lukes daughter

No, she really wasn't.
Maybe if you learned what Mary Sue means you'd do better.

There is also the fact, if I remember right, that the troopers are not clones like they were before, crazy commander/general dude said he didn't want a clone army that his troops were good enough

I find that highly unlikely, seeing as the Jedi took force sensitive children in when they were infants, meaning that if fin WAS force sensitive, it would have been openly apparent that he was during his youth. I don't think he would just be going around as a member of the first order military and a stormtrooper for years, then just suddenly develope force powers.

Yes, but living out in a mostly secluded area of an out of the way desert planet and not knowing you have potential for force powers is a rather different scenario then living in an imperial or first order controlled military facility which is monitored 24/7 to which your subjected to constant medical scans of both a physical and mental nature.

I would imagine after the events of the original trilogy, with how much damage a single Jedi caused, that they would be putting that pretty high up on their list to make sure it never happened again.

well its not like their clones anymore, every person coming from a different family with different background always leaves open the possibility

Finn is also trained in hand-to-hand and melee combat like every other First Order trooper, because riots are a thing, and vibroblades are even easier to come by than blasters in Star Wars, just never shown in the movies because it would be far more difficult to produce the props and choreograph a sword-fight (excluding lightsabers, which were just handles with a reference point for the blade to be added onto) than a massive firefight.

Also it seemed like he was using the same fighting style as the stormtrooper - he starts off wielding the lightsaber like a baton.

yes Storm troopers are not clone troopers

if the IS just stayed in the Middle East this would've even been a good thing, all manipulative muslims from the civilized nations go there to die and that's it
too bad this isn't what happened