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|#29 - Jesus H Christ: 1. Feminists are trying to subjugate men: … [+] (23 new replies)||06/06/2014 on Effect of Feminism 92||-10|
#365 - teranin (06/06/2014) [-]
1: True, people having rights does not mean another group of people loses rights. Now, what happens when the right you give to one group provides them with a decisive advantage over the other group in some area, for example, in family court, gender biased rape laws, Title IX operating on preponderance of evidence, domestic violence laws that require men be arrested even if they are the victim in a society where 40% of the victims of domestic violence are men, and I could go on. When you grant too many rights and privileges to one group exclusively, inequity does follow, even if you didn't actively TAKE something from another group.
2: Females raping males make up over 40% of total dictionary-defined rapes in the united states based on a CDC study from 2010. feminists were allowed to change the definition of rape in 2012, failed to change it to allow male rape victims to charge their female assailants with rape, and marginalized all male victims. This does not show an overall predelection to males being anything other than the perpetrators of rape. The presentation is that men cannot be victims of women, ever, they can only be victims of "patriarchy backfiring" which does not fit with reality and does not promote any sort of equality.
3: The Nazis utilized arguments fielding the "us" and the "other", originated by Karl Marx. They also promoted socialist programs (being national socialists) where they wanted to use government power to enforce any mandate they wanted, restricting the protections of the groups they designated as "other" while propagandizing against them and establishing strong protections for the "us". This is mirrored quite clearly in feminist propaganda, as the other is "men" who are the source of all violence and oppression, the us is "women" who are the good victims in need of protection, and the common tactic is propaganda+government intervention to establish extra protections for women beyond those which men are afforded, causing an inequality through their own drive for equality. This is the basis for legislation like VAWA.
Look, I get that you don't like that association, and you probably think you haven't been trying for inequality with men, and heck you're probably right, but that doesn't mean the movement you're choosing to associate yourself with is keeping in line with your individual actions. Feminism refuses to respect the individual, instead making specious statements and reducing gender to class, but I can tell that as an individual you at least want a humanist equality, one where people are treated equally by society and the law regardless of gender or race... right?
#416 - twistedwoodthing (06/06/2014) [-]
1. Many of the laws you mention are not something many feminists support - because they divide childcare along gender lines. And considering the preponderance of men in courts and governments, do you really think this is because of feminists, or because of the outdated stereotypes about gender roles that we're trying to fight?
2. I'm trying to find the statistic you cited from the 2010 report and can't. The US government did change the definition of rape in 2012 to include men, and it doesn't prevent them from accusing a female attacker. I don't know where you got your info but it's simply wrong.
3. Men can be feminists, and women encourage male allies, so I really don't see how the Nazi comparison follows. Feminists believe there are aspects of society that are biased towards men and are trying to change that - they don't hate individual men, or even men in general. Frankly, I see a lot more rage directed at feminists than I do at the society that causes problems for men, too.
We don't want protection. We just want someone's chance in life not to be affected by their gender because of societal bullshit.
So yes, I am for equality of all people, based on race, class, sexuality, or gender. Therefore, I'm also a feminist.
#428 - teranin (06/06/2014) [-]
Also, do remember that this is the dictionary definition of rape, from which the legal definition deviates severely. If we're talking about adherence to dictionary definitions being important.
the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.
Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.
As you can see, forced sexual intercourse could mean forced from either end. This is not represented by the law.
#425 - teranin (06/06/2014) [-]
1. Negative, childcare laws are pushed by feminism to improve the situation for women, and domestic violence accusations are promoted by feminist women's shelters to manipulate the courts to their advantage
2: Here is the CDC report www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/sv-datasheet-a.pdf The new definition of rape reads as follows "The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” Only the penetrator can be the rapist, so yes while men can use a broom handle to rape a man, all forced to penetrate men remain unable to get justice.
3: People can be convinced of things, and male feminists are treated like dogs. You need only go to a gender studies class and see how they treat any males there to prove that claim to be absolute crap.
No, you are a humanist. Feminism does not support equality regardless of it's definition due to it's actions not being in line with said definition.
#436 - twistedwoodthing (06/06/2014) [-]
I fail to see anywhere on that data sheet that supports your figure of 40% of rape being of men by women. Also, looking at the US laws about sexual assault, it includes provisions about sexual contact, and I believe that would reasonably include being forced to penetrate.
"go to any gender studies class and see how they treat men". I'm sorry, what's your justification here? Who's treating them like dogs, feminists who listen to them or people like you who see them as brainwashed?
Don't tell me what I am.
#455 - teranin (06/06/2014) [-]
I'm talking about the way the females in gender studies class treat males in those classes. I'm talking about male feminist behavior, where they act like abuse victims, self-flaggelating and apologizing for all men to separate themselves from their own maleness.
I'm telling you the truth, obviously you decide your own label but if you're going to label yourself "feminist" you need to accept the truth of what that is. If you claim your beliefs are not in line with the actions of the movement to which you associate, then why keep the name, when there is an untarnished one you can easily use. Your call, of course, but I don't call people who are legitimately for equal treatment "feminists" since a person who is legitimately for equal treatment will not want preferential treatment for women in any way.
#87 - technoshaman (06/06/2014) [-]
I'm not a feminist but I have to say, too many people on FJ have an irrational and shortsighted view of feminism. A lot of it is bandwagon hate from people who don't know anything about it outside what they've seen posted on comedy sites. I have my own criticisms of feminism, which is why I'm not one, but just know that there is a decent number of people here not looking at the whole issue as a zero-sum rights game or some kind of anti-men conspiracy.
You won't find many green thumbs here, but have this one at least.
#80 - chuckbillrow (06/06/2014) [-]
feminism was a very good thing historically but in this day and age the war has been won (in the first world) and all that really remains are double standards, wage differences, and our unhealthy rape culture
the problem is radicals are very successfully making every thing worse
they have completely tarnished the name of the the movement the term femanazi was made to distinguish between reasonable women who want equality and the radicals we see on the news screaming about how evil men are but at the end of the day the loudest people are the ones the public hears so the term feminism started being associated with the radicals
on the subject of rape because that is what the content is about the current femanazi tarnished movement has only made rape culture worse
a person's reaction to a girl saying she was raped should be "OH MY GOD ARE YOU OKAY?"
#97 - chuckbillrow (06/06/2014) [-]
as i understand it, which could be completely wrong, rape culture is how society reacts to rape
ideally it everyone would be supportive of the victem as she tries to move on but as it stands to day people tend to think and ask what was she wearing? was she drinking? excreta which is blaming the victem
#82 - chuckbillrow (06/06/2014) [-]
sorry did not mean to respond yet so continued
what it was before modem feminism was more along the lines of "what were you wearing? were you drinking?" excreta the victim was often blamed
currently not only are the same victim blaming thoughts there but now there is much doubt whether or not it really was rape because the word has been so watered down by the extremest
honestly feminism needs to take serious measures to distance its self from the extremists or re-brand entirely if its want to make any progress towards eliminating the reaming bits of inequality because the extremists that make up its current image are not helping
#297 - twistedwoodthing (06/06/2014) [-]
Rape culture is a bit bigger and more nebulous than that, but you've got a good starting explanation there, thanks for it.
Feminists stress time and time again that they're against false rape accusations, and that they don't hate or want to dominate men. But as long as people can find or fabricate things to make it look like they do, they continue to say that's what feminism is about. Honestly, Christians have an easier time getting people to listen when they say they aren't like the Westborough Baptist Church.
#291 - twistedwoodthing (06/06/2014) [-]
Feminists don't believe all men were naturally evil rapists, or they wouldn't bother trying to stop it. The feminist literature I've read takes great pains to show it's not anti-men. It's folks on sites like this who say they are, because it means they can dismiss them.
Furthermore, the idea that all men are sexually rapacious has its roots in the same outdated gender stereotypes that say all women are innocent flowers who don't want sex. It's bullshit on both fronts, the kind of bullshit feminism seeks to dispel.
I'd highly recommend this article - it talks about how society naturally demonizes male sexuality, and how fighting rape culture is good for both women and men.
#34 - wulphshadowtail (06/06/2014) [-]
Almost all the time we are not refering to traditional feminism which supports equal rights, but we're talking about the growing minority of feminists that hate men or view feminism as a way to make them superior to men by essentially enslaving. For an example of one of the more extremist sides of this minority, google national castration day.
#38 - twistedwoodthing (06/06/2014) [-]
"growing minority"? Also, the post isn't called "the effects of a small group of radical feminists". People post stuff like this about feminism day after day, complain on and on about feminists, and then when they're challenged say "oh, we know a lot of feminists aren't like this but we're just talking about the feminazis." If they're even charitable enough to make that distinction
To see FJ, you'd think all feminists were monsters who live under the bed and emerge at night to scream rape and bite people's dongs off.
#265 - Daeiros (06/06/2014) [-]
As wulphshadowtail said, the regular feminists seek equality, but honestly, where the hell is there still inequality in first world countries? The fight is basically won, women have the right to vote and work and own property and they DO get equal pay that nonsense you hear saying otherwise is comparing the average annual salary of men vs the average annual salary of women, it does not consider hours worked, and men average more work hours. The statistic has been intentionally misquoted to make it sound as if the male cashier is automatically paid more than the female cashier working the register next to him
So what equality exactly is left to fight for? What cause can women take to the streets and protest about under the banner of true feminism? Sure there are a handful of stereotypes that they may want to stamp out, but you can't really protest popular opinion, it's something you have to gradually prove wrong through your actions.
There aren't any real demons for real feminists to slay anymore, so more and more of those pretenders who call themselves feminists have simply invented their own. They aren't content with equality, they seek vengeance.
#282 - twistedwoodthing (06/06/2014) [-]
Women have made great strides in gender equality, that's true. And much of feminism is standing in solidarity with women in parts of the world where they don't have those rights. But there's still things left to do: the hurtful stereotypes about both men and women, the under representation of women in the media, college chants joking about rape, etc.
Primarily, we're at the hearts and minds stage, which is trickier in some ways because it is less obvious. That people are willing to focus on the few who twist the definition - whether misinformed women or men - rather than actually accept the movement shows just how far we have to go in that respect.
#42 - wulphshadowtail (06/06/2014) [-]
Think about it this way: when we talk about bronies or cosplayers/anime fans or neckbeards are we ever talking about the relatively normal, chill parts of the group thay people like or dont mind? No, we don't. We talk about the cloppers, the weeabo's, and the autistic neckbeards but we generalize because it's simpler and we all know which parts of those groups we're talking about.
#44 - twistedwoodthing (06/06/2014) [-]
The difference being that when talking about cloppers, weeaboos, or neckbeards, we're making fun of people based on their choice in tv shows. We say some hurtful shit, but not about something that actually matters. Rape matters. Women's rights matter. Having a better society matters. And it pains me so much to see all of the hate an misinformation about it.
#79 - Womens Study Major (06/06/2014) [-]
Having a society where women don't use sex as a weapon? I remember that copypasta a while back about this bitch who cheated on her boyfriend, got pregnant but didn't want to be seen as a slut? Yeah she went to her ex, begged that he take her to the abortion clinic. He said no "ruined our relation why should i blah"
"I'll Blow you" was the response. She did the nasty and at the end he went "nah actually you're still a massive bitch" but she went all psycho and started to yell that i'm going to say that you hit me and you raped me. ANY girl who uses rape as a weapon. Not raping someone but threaten to run to the authorities because she doesn't know what the true definitions of rape.
#45 - wulphshadowtail (06/06/2014) [-]
Well if it's anything, I can tell you thay most if not all people on here know the difference between real feminists and feminazis even when generalizing. Some even go as far to call real feminists equalists instead because of the tarnished name feminism has obtained because of the vocal feminazis
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#106 - fantastick (06/04/2014) [-]
I genuinely find most of anti feminism stuff hilariously funny (much like over-the-top feminism is hilariously funny). Especially good ol' stuff like this is delicious, because it just goes to show that no matter how much the world changes, people are still pretty much the same.
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#5 - Womens Study Major (06/04/2014) [-]
It really feels like this image is trying to be a forced meme.
#31 - Womens Study Major (06/04/2014) [-]
Universal reaction pics =/= memes.
no need to be rustled.
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