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#98 - alimais (03/02/2014) [-]
The current leader who took over is Oleksandr Turchynov who is from the All-Ukraine Union "Fatherland" who has 88 of 450 seats in the parliament which are only a 1/5 of the seats and only 11% voted for his party which is still to less to be in power of a nation.
The current government doesn't represent the people and is no way legitimate. Ukraine soldiers are joining the Russians in masses the Ukraine navy chef swore allegiance to Crimea meaning the government has no navy.
>pic related it's the current leader who also has ties to global banks
#37 - IamWhoIam (03/02/2014) [-]
Crimea is a semi-autonomous region in Ukraine with a majority of Ethnic Russians. The head of state of the region requested Russia to mobilize the troops they already had in the region by seizing control of both of the regions major airports, seaports, and government buildings in order to safeguard the region and maintain order. The rest of Ukraine who are mostly Pro-EU are calling it an invasion and are crying for International intervention from NATO/EU. No one wants this to come to violence.
#31 - thewulfman (03/02/2014) [-]
Ukraine is split between Pro-EU and pro-Russians, and the place Russia invaded (Crimea) was filled with like 90% Russians, so they're being welcomed with open arms. Russia has illegally sent thousands of unmarked troops and vehicles to Crimea (the southern part of the Ukraine that has a Russian naval base).
The Pro-EU Ukrainians want NATO to help them oust the Russians and protect them.
The Pro-Russians want Russia to invade and make the country and part of the Federation.
Europe wants the US to do something.
US doesn't really want to get involved.
We probably will eventually, but long enough down the road for Europe to scream at us for taking so long.
If we don't get directly involved this could lead to another cold war.
If we do, it could lead to WWIII.
If no one helps then millions of people could end up living under Russian law and oppression that don't want it.
This is my best understanding of the situation. Please if anyone wants to correct me, do it calmly and explain exactly what/why I was wrong.
#180 - reginleif (03/02/2014) [-]
Eh I'd probably add that there is a 3rd faction of nationalist Ukranians who want neither Russian ties or the EU. Or so I hear.
I'd dispute the fact that Europe wants to do something and the US doesn't if anything it sounds like the opposite. Probably the reason why our top European diplomat got caught saying "fuck the EU."
It seems the EU doesn't want to do anything, especially piss off russia.
I also object to the depiction of Russian oppression, not because they won't be oppressed or because I'm pro-Russia. (I hope all of Ukraine joins the West, or EU), but because it implies that there isn't oppression on the EU side of things too.
No matter what Ukraine chooses it is fucked.
#126 - thebtardist (03/02/2014) [-]
Im european and we really really really dont want you guys involved. Even if you guys did everything perfect, like every syllable and political or military move was just beautiful, we'd still be anouyed you got involved.
This is just a big dickin contest, if Crimeria wants to join Russia then they can try but the UN needs to get involved. not NATO or America.
#85 - lucogin (03/02/2014) [-]
There is a bit more meat on the bones than that, from what i gather.
America has the largest military in the world, followed swiftly by Russia (one of the many sauces confirming this: www.businessinsider.com/10-most-powerful-militaries-in-the-world-2013-6?op=1 )
Ukraine has been Russia's bitch for a long time now, thanks to a pro-Russian party leader at the helm of the government (Sergiy Aksyonov). Effectively, Ukraine became just another part of Russia. Russia got a lot from this relationship, among them energy (Russia is the major provider of energy to the EU) and co-operative military operations. Ukraine also has a lot of natural resources as well as a strategic interest as a country located next to the Black Sea. It's military is also a force to be reckoned; being a former part of the USSR it has a lot of undocumented firepower that many countries would be jealous of (though not more than America or Russia).
Now recently, Pro-EU sentiment has risen in Ukraine, to the point of violence, leading to Sergiy abandoning his role as head of the country. To hold the power vacuum, a pro-EU committee was formed in Ukraine to govern it until the government stabilized. However, there are still many Pro-Russians in Ukraine (specifically Crimea), leading to a power struggle in the country.
Putin wants to take advantage of this. If he "offers help" to Pro-Russian Ukrainians i.e. give em some tanks and blow the opposition harder than phanact blows admin (no ban, pls), then the Pro-Russians will take over Ukraine, and create an even stronger link between Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine would give a lot more stuff to Russia.
The economic boom that Russia would get would make even the Germans jealous, but the thing that everyone is so concerned about, is if Ukraine gives military power to Russia.
If Ukraine's military is absorbed into Russia, Russia will have the strongest army in the world, ahead of America.
#97 - lucogin (03/02/2014) [-]
That's why the whole European Union wants America to get involved with this. No-one wants to see Russia become more powerful than America- if that happened, World War Three is a possibility, which is why so many people are going on about it.
But in reality, Putin is severely underestimating the pro-EU Ukrainians and the support they're getting from the EU and America. America is one of the few countries that Russia has to respect the opinion of (again, due to military), so if the EU can get America to step in and say "Don't go in there. You don't want to go in there" Putin may think twice
Putin still won't give up Ukraine that easily though. It's simply too valuable to Russia to let go of to some Pro-EU supporters. If it gave Ukraine up, Russia's economy would be crippled, and it's government would soon follow suit.
#92 - thewulfman (03/02/2014) [-]
You were correct up till the last part. Ukraine's military is so small they can't even oust the men in Crimea if they wanted to. They only have one squadron of Su-27s last I checked, they have no large standing forces of tanks, and their numbers are too few to matter.
#39 - galaxyguy (03/02/2014) [-]
I think you got it mostly right, though it's worth pointing out that Crimea also contains a large part/most of the Ukranian economy, what with its ports and industry.
Also, I doubt the US will really get involved at any point, seeing as nobody really wants to fight Russia, especially since the area's population is, as you said, largely Russian, so there is some validity to their actions, and to put it bluntly: Nobody really cares that much about the Ukraine. Certainly not enough to risk World War Three.
#95 - kingpongthedon (03/02/2014) [-]
Well nobody really cared that much about Serbia or Poland, but when they got invaded by a major European power it kicked off the first two. It's not so much that anybody cares what happens to the Ukraine, but people do care about Russia's actions and fear what it may indicate about their future plans.
For the past 5 years, many of the Arab states have been in revolt and now much of Eastern Europe looks like it'll be going that way too. At any point like this there's going to be a lot of back-alley alliances building up. Each party needs protection and sponsorship from a major power so they look to the EU/NATO or Russia for help, both of which will make their demands to bring the weaker states closer into their respective folds. This will increase their immediate security, but it sows tension in the long-run.
Right now it looks very similar to the situations that precipitated the prior World Wars. We've got widespread political instability (Arab Spring revolutions, Eastern European protests), clear party lines drawn (EU/NATO vs Russian Federation) with smaller states looking to them for support, and a clear act of aggression by a major power (Russian intervention in Crimea). I can't say for certain that it will lead to greater conflict and I sure as shit hope it doesn't, but right now all the pieces are in place for something to kick off.
#186 - kingpongthedon (03/02/2014) [-]
Officially, they'd side with the Russian Federation.
Historically, China sides with Russia and against Japan. Japan, though they don't have a standing army, would certainly support the NATO side I think it would be more accurate to call the NATO side the International Alliance. It seems to me that Russia and it's allies are more focused on their own interior issues, while the IA as I'm calling it is more focused on creating a border-less world where we are all citizens of Earth (of course this is a highly hyperbolic statement, but I think you get the picture). , especially since they are entirely reliant on the US for all forms of military protection. Though China is rapidly Westernizing (for lack of a better word), their ideology is still much more in line with the Russian Federation than the EU's.
Unofficially, that may be a meaningless gesture.
Historically, China has been an isolationist country. They are completely capable of self-sufficiency and have no reason to get involved. The US is about the only other country that has this luxury, which is why we are also slow to get involved in European power struggles. It doesn't directly affect either of us. Neither of us wants to get involved in somebody else's conflict. Furthermore, China is also a country in transition and I don't know what public sentiment is. Despite having a massive standing army, they may be reluctant to use it to it's full potential. The last time they got involved they were too busy with their own internal issues that they could only field a defensive force, their offensive capabilities were practically null. They're still very closed-off so it's hard to tell, but I wouldn't be surprised if there is enough internal disagreement to prevent them from entering with full-scale war capabilities.
#74 - galaxyguy (03/02/2014) [-]
The first world war had been brewing for a while - all that was needed was an excuse.
The assassination was reason enough for Austria to declare war on Serbia, which was reason for Serbia to call its ally Russia, which was reason enough for Austria to call in Germany, and then it had snowballed into a world war.
No, the only risk of a third world war would be if the US or Europe actually responded, which I doubt, mainly because Ukraine is not a very important country, and the western powers know this.
#38 - croski (03/02/2014) [-]
Europe is in a headlock right now, because most of its countries depend on Russian gas. There is no logical solution anymore for Europe. Ukraine is not a NATO member and NATO has no reason to engage its troops. Obama will not use any military measures because of political reasons.
To complicate things to the maximum, after the USSR broke apart, Ukraine signed an agreement by which it gave away leftover USSR nuclear weapons (estimated on 1/3 of all USSR nuclear weapons) and USA+UK guaranteed Ukraine its integrity.
What happens next? I hope a peaceful agreement, because if nukes start flying, I live too close to be comfortable...
#33 - 2scared2login (03/02/2014) [-]
Wouldn't just splitting the country solve all of these problems?
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