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|#198 - So if the father wants to keep the baby, it doesn't matter at all? [+] (9 new replies)||11/08/2013 on Abortion Explained||0|
#491 - tkfourtwoone (11/08/2013) [-]
If the father does want to keep the child, but the mother doesn't, tough luck, unless he can carry the pregnancy, it's not really his choice.
In that case, most normal and rational solution is to break up with that person and try to find a more compatible partner, each of the 2 parties carrying their lives further, without trying to live together with a rather big wedge between them.
Oh, and with a child unwanted by one of the parents (also, you really wouldn't want to turn a woman into a mother that would likely have no maternal instincts whatsoever; so far we have noticed that that only leads to more nasty shit)
#203 - azumeow (11/08/2013) [-]
Not really, as unfair as it is. But that's not to say the father has no rights at all. If he mother is doing something that could seriously harm the fetus/baby, such as drinking or drugs, he could have a court mandate that she refrain from that behavior, as within his rights as that baby's father.
#246 - simplescience (11/08/2013) [-]
What you are saying here is a double-edged sword, and I'll explain why:
By the logic you are advocating. a woman could rape a man, and then sue him for child support later on, because he has no say in the baby's life, and then make him look like a deadbeat if he doesn't pay up. Let's also not forget that the stigma of a man being raped is "wtf u complainin' about man? free pussy faggot", but that's getting off topic.
I do understand that, yes, the baby is being carried in her body, but I don't see why it is the only choice men should get in a potential child's life is wearing a condom. If a father doesn't want the kid, whether it be he can't afford it or the condom broke or what have you, but the mom does, the man is completely fucked.
Also consider this: What if the man wanted the baby, and wanted to be the biological father. Why should it be that something that he really wanted and was ready, willing, and able to take care of, is just taken out of his hands just because he lacks the equipment to carry it himself?
Your argument is like saying that someone isn't allowed to have anything to do with the home they live in with a companion, or if they even want to keep paying into it, or remove themselves from the title deed, just because the other owner of the house is a real-estate agent.
I realize that finding a middle ground is not an easy thing to come up with, but giving complete authority solely to one side of a position is a slippery slope that can lead to dire consequences.
#300 - simplescience (11/08/2013) [-]
I am disappointed that, despite my points and metaphor, you give me a single sentence reply when others got far more substance to their inquiries.
That aside, I never said he didn't have rights to the baby in the first place. I know that a man does have rights. What I am referring to is the fact that, from conception to birth, a man has 0 say in the decision of that babies life, and putting full deciding power in one sides hands is, as I said, a slippery slope.
While the mother several decisions she is allowed to make regarding the child before its born, a man has 0. Which means that during that time, if the man decides he doesn't want the child, but the mom keeps it, she would be within her rights to sue for child support, and most times, it will be awarded. Men have no outs when it comes to the potential life of a child.
You seemed to have missed the part where I pointed out that your logic is completely unfair, and that it can lead to potential devastating consequences down the road because of the logic you are advocating at this point in the potential child's life.
#305 - azumeow (11/08/2013) [-]
I addressed this problem already.
It's not fair, but that is mammalian nature. Our society weighs the importance of children greatly, and if a man does not want children, his ONLY option is to find a method that would prevent him from getting a woman pregnant. It's not fair, you're right. Maybe it's a slippery slope, but what other decision is there besides giving people the ability to force someone else to abort their unborn child/fetus?
#389 - simplescience (11/08/2013) [-]
First off, I'd like to think that just because things are unfair now and a clear and viable option is not immediately present, that we should just act like that injustice is acceptable and cannot be solved.
Second off, I can think of a few ideas. Granted, they aren't perfect, as there are several details that would need to be worked out.
1) Perhaps something akin to trial by jury. If the couple cannot come to an agreement on what to do with the child (Ex. Man wants the child, but the woman does not), perhaps have a group of their peers decide on what action should be taken. True that men can't carry the child, but that doesn't change the fact that he still contributed to making the child.
2) Change the law so that if a man wants the baby and the woman does not, then the man will financially compensate the female for carrying the child once its born (before you call it unfair, it took two of them to make that baby and (assuming they both consented and agreed to no protection beforehand) if the man wants that baby and is willing to reimburse the female for what she went through, wouldn't that be, if not a fair decision, at least more fair then how it is now?).
I realize of course that the woman went through a whole bunch of trouble and effort to have the childbirth, and that's not something that could easily have a price tag be put on it, if at all. At the same time, it takes two to do the deed, why should a man not be allowed to pay a price if he is willing?
As you can see, I have provided two alternate solutions to the current situation. Are they perfect? Of course not. Neither is the current situation, and in our society (in America at least) where we put a huge emphasis on fairness and justice, the current situation should not be allowed to stand.
My point is that there could be alternatives that give men decisions before the childs birth that lets the woman keep her say as well.
#418 - azumeow (11/08/2013) [-]
Yeah, I have a lot of problems with that first solution. Mainly, the whole "forcing a woman to give birth to a child she doesn't want" thing. We did that for a long time by just having abortion be illegal. It didn't work very well. Women want the choice to choose, and frankly, why should we be able to stop them?
The second solution is also wrought with issues. What if the partner can't afford to compensate the woman? Then he's shit out of luck and we're back to "too bad, life ain't fair." It'd be fine if the non-carrying party has a lot of disposable money to spend, but that's usually not the case.
#546 - simplescience (11/08/2013) [-]
1) Excluding rape and if they agreed to no protection, then the woman knew exactly what she was getting herself into. If she didn't want to run the risk of having a child, then protection should've been used, or she could've been on the pill etc. Why should only men be faced with the "well, sucks to be you" saddle?
Simply put, if the man has to pay for the consequences of his actions and pay child support for a child he did not want, then is it not only fair that the woman should have to pay for the consequences if the man wants the child (and of course excluding rape and assuming consensual sex from all involved parties).
I am not saying women shouldn't have the right to choose. I'm all for that. At the same time, I think men should have the right to choose as well. Why should we stop men from having the right to choose (beyond the use of a condom)? If he has as much of a claim to the child as the woman, then he should get more than one option just like the woman does.
2) Like I clearly stated, the solution isn't perfect, but perhaps the person could pay in installments or on a payment plan? Perhaps the man could opt to have part of his paycheck if he works automatically go to her. There's a wide variety of options. Paying all at once would indeed only be for the richer, but obviously wouldn't be mandatory.
It may be mammalian nature, sure, but we also have a population of about 7.2 billion. Our species going extinct is no longer an issue, so why should only women get a say in reproductive rights? You talk about how it would be a great crime to force a childbirth upon a woman, but I contend that denying rights and options to someone based on their gender for a mistake they might not have made while in their right mind, and forcing them to live with the outcome, should not be shoved into the background, nor treated as though it's an irreparable situation.
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#231 - truemox (10/27/2013) [-]
Most motorcycle accidents happen within a very short timeframe. Someone cuts you off on the highway, someone merges into your lane right on top of you, you loose traction around a bend, ect...
These are all things where 5 seconds of precognition could easily save your life.