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#54 - Circumcision reduces your chances of contracting urinary tract…  [+] (3 new replies) 09/19/2014 on Father of the year award... 0
User avatar #82 - infernis (09/19/2014) [-]
>97% of Americans are circumcised

I don't know where you get your facts from, but you might want to recheck them.
User avatar #72 - sethbean (09/19/2014) [-]
There is literally no proven benefit to circumcision in today's world.
#62 - 4chan refugee (09/19/2014) [-]
"Circumcision reduces your chances of contracting urinary tract infections, as well as various STDs."

No it doesn't. It's a common defense that circumcised people use, but it has been debunked. There is no reason to circumcise children in modern day.
#92 - Or maybe they are good at going to the dentist and brushing th… 09/09/2014 on USA you need to find a new... +2
#35 - You wanna know what I think? I think that outside of gay, bi, …  [+] (42 new replies) 09/05/2014 on Check your privilege +15
#60 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
ok, i'm sorry, but saying that it opens up to having 47 genders is nonsense, do you seriously believe anyone outsideo of tumblr's freakshow thinks that, people identify as different genders, and it's pretty much pointless to try and discriminate because it will just work against you, I say let people call themselves a fucking martian if they want to, It takes a lot of effort to care about such things, it takes no effort not to give a fuck
#56 - billburr (09/05/2014) [-]
It is all very complicated, but luckily as a straight man it's not something I have to care about. People can do whatever the fuck they want, surgically attach a dick to your forehead and I won't blink as long as you cover it up in public
#43 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
Actually, I've read studies that have shown that transgender people actually do have brains similar to those of the opposite sex. Personally, I think that the reason they believe they're the wrong sex is because we so stereotype genders into certain areas, so they believe that they're "supposed" to be the opposite sex and that's why they don't fit in. That said, there really aren't 47 genders, there are two: masculine and feminine. They don't always match up with the respective sexes, but that's not a huge deal.
#55 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
So they have mental problems. That's what i've been saying. Their brain is wrong.
#104 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
Yes, but not in the way that you're thinking about it. The anomalies in their brain are not significant structural problems, like in the case of Schizophrenia or Manic-Bipolar disorder, but simply cases of the body developing in an incorrect way. While they were in-utero they still produced a healthy brain, completely capable of all normal human activity with no hindrance, but for some bizarre reason it follows the design of the brain in the opposite sex. It's not a serious problem, it's more of an oddity, and one that can easily be fixed with hormone treatments and surgery.
#111 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
Incorrect way. Their brain is wrong and needs to be fixed. This is exactly what i'm saying. It needs to be corrected. These people should be fixed with hormone treatments and surgery like you said, not just say IT'S OKKKK THAT YOU'RE MENTALLY ILL! DON'T EVEN FIX YOUR MENTAL ILLNESS!
#42 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
It is entirely possible to be born transgender. In general, people have male brains or female brains based on how they develop in the womb and what hormones they are exposed to. Some people however are exposed to incorrect hormones and either all or part of their brain can develop along the lines of the opposite gender rather than the one they are physically.

Thus, it's entirely possible to have a male's body physically, but to have a brain that is completely feminized, hence the disconnect and the GID. The same thing happens with the partially feminized brains, which can leave people feminine in some areas and masculine in others. It's a lot more complex than it is made out to be.
#58 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
"incorrect hormones"
Thank you. Their brain chemistry is fucked up just like any other mental illness. Trans people need to be helped, not enabled.
#107 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
You're not thinking about this the right way. It's a completely healthy brain, there's nothing wrong with it, it's just in the wrong place. It's like polydactyl, a genetic disease which causes an extra finger. It's a completely functioning finger, there's nothing wrong with how it works, it's just not supposed to be there.
#112 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
I'm just not thinking about this in the way YOU want me to. There is something wrong with the brain. It's hormones and chemistry is fucked up and needs to be fixed.
#116 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
You're over-simplifying this issue, and it's not a benefit to your abilities.
User avatar #106 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Except that the easiest and least dangerous way to treat said illness is to use hormone therapy to realign the body instead of the brain. We understand a hell of a lot more about changing one's body than one's mind.

Even were it possible to change one's mind, would it be ethical? Would it be ethical to use chemicals to alter someone's opinion on communism? Would it be ethical to use chemicals to force someone to say yes to giving their power of attorney away? No, it wouldn't. So why would it be ethical to force someone's brain to function as a different gender than it does?

Regardless of if you agree with trans people or not, there is evidence that it is completely legitimate. Ranging from brain chemistry to behavioural analysis, it proves that transgender people (ie. people who's brain functions as a gender that their body does not correspond with) are real. Not to mention that the suicide rate among Trans people is a whopping 42-46% (depending on which studies you take as more accurate).
#114 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
That suicide rate would go down if we fixed their brains instead of telling them not to change.
#108 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
It's not unethical. What would be unethical would be changing how they thought then allowing them to revert back to their previous way of thinking to realize what they had done. Ethics is based on true dangers to society or humanity, not your philosophical qualms.
User avatar #109 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Actually ethics and morality is based almost solely on social and philosophical thoughts. In nature, there are no ethics, only survival of the fittest.
#110 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
So tell it is unethical to change someone's way of thinking? They will not believe anything is wrong, if anything they'll actually detest their old beliefs. They'll probably be grateful that you changed the way they thought, it it's really fundamentally no different than debating someone into a new point-of-view.
User avatar #113 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Debating someone into a new point of view gives them information to process that will be tempered by their old viewpoint. Simply using some kind of medicated therapy to wash their brain into a new viewpoint is entirely different, and, in my opinion, wrong.

I'm just making the point that altering someone's mind without their consent isn't right, it fundamentally violates every human rights code ever written. If someone wants that, more power to them, but if you make that the only choice, then it's not only reprehensible (in my eyes), but irresponsible too.
#117 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
All we would be doing is fixing their brain. Their body is male so their brain should be male. We're making their lives easier for them. It's the same as cutting a tail off a baby who was born with one. Humans aren't supposed to have tails so we fix it.
User avatar #121 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Except that the DNA of every human contains all the instructions to make everything that any human is or could be. The only thing that decides what happens and where is what hormones active which genes.

In your DNA, there are instructions for the creation of a vagina, breasts, every sex characteristic known to humankind. The only reason you're one or the other is that your X or Y chromosome details which hormone(s) you were exposed to more in the womb.
#127 - 4chan refugee (09/06/2014) [-]
DNA can have mistakes in them. They often too. There are genetic diseases passed down from generation to generation. Trans people is another mistake within their genes and DNA.
User avatar #129 - hermaeousmora (09/06/2014) [-]
Except that Trans people don't have different DNA. Trans issues arise from hormonal problems, as far as we can tell. I pointed out the DNA tidbit because it relates to the hormone issue. Your DNA only works in tandem with other systems, and contains all the information to make you or any version of you.
#130 - 4chan refugee (09/06/2014) [-]
Their hormones fucked up and made a mistake. That's what happened to trans people. We should correct this mistake like we would correct any mistake.
User avatar #131 - hermaeousmora (09/06/2014) [-]
I agree, we should correct the mistake and let their bodies realign to their brains.
User avatar #132 - hermaeousmora (09/06/2014) [-]
If that's what they want, I mean.
#115 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
But when debating someone the introduction of new information is relatively small. Rather, you're changing how they view existing information so they view an issue in a new light. Chemically changing someone's mind is fundamentally the same thing. It doesn't add new information, it instead changes how they consider existing information so that they support a new viewpoint.

That said, I don't like what this anon is saying. He's disturbingly fascist, and I mean that legitimately. Saying that you don't like people asking to be special snowflakes is fine, calling these people mentally ill and freaks of nature is not.
User avatar #119 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Either way you slice it, in one situation you allow them to think and reconsider the information, the other forces the conclusion upon them. It may fundamentally use the same mechanisms, but so do sex and rape.

Regardless, I agree. It is in my opinion that so long as you're not harming anyone else, you can do ANYTHING you want to.
#120 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
Eh, after someone's been raped they're aware that something bad has happened to them, and they believe that it is bad. This is more like forcefully injecting someone with a "happy" drug.
User avatar #125 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Everyone around them is aware that something has happened to them. They might be aware that their mind has been altered without their consent. They might be mad about that even if the result doesn't anger them anymore. If you murder someone that everybody wanted dead, should you get off Scott free? It doesn't matter whether they care about the result or not, you've violated the fundamental right to freedom of thought.
#118 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
But they are mentally ill... their entire brain is wired incorrectly with it's chemicals and hormones. The same thing can be said about countless other mental illnesses and we don't just say hey you're fine the way you are. We help those people and try to cure them.
User avatar #122 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
If a schizophrenic denies treatment, and is not a danger to the lives of themselves or others, it is both illegal and unethical to force treatment onto them.

If someone depressed does not try to commit suicide or has not made it known that they intend to attempt suicide, then we cannot force treatment or confinement onto them.

I assume you're an American, and you love your freedom. Sorry bub, but freedom cuts both ways.
#126 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
But then don't expect people to accept you for having depression or schizophrenia and try to change laws and shit because of it.
User avatar #128 - hermaeousmora (09/06/2014) [-]
I sort of agree. Legally, there shouldn't be any reason to distinguish you because you're trans, schizo, or depressed. Legally, there shouldn't be any difference between a gay marriage and a straight one.

So why then is it such a problem if someone wants to change their government Identification from a little M to a little F? It shouldn't affect anything legally, it's just for them to feel more comfortable. So why is it a problem? What's the problem with letting people change their representation of themselves? What is the problem with letting these people life their lives how they want to when they're not hurting anyone?

Is it really so harmful to you to let these people be happy that you need to lash out at them?
User avatar #135 - veirianmayne (09/06/2014) [-]
I think we broke his arguments XD
#36 - endospore (09/05/2014) [-]
Why does it make it any different if it's a mental or physical problem? People with autism have a mental problem, but that doesn't mean you get angry at them because you don't want to deal with it. And you're drastically overreacting to Tumblr's bullshit. There's really just 3. Cis (meaning normal, in a word), trans (meaning you feel like you're in the wrong gendered body) and androgynous (meaning you don't identify with either strongly).

it's really the same exact thing as sexuality, where there's straight, gay or bi. There are plenty of others, like pansexual or asexual, but those are only if you really want to get specific.

You sound to me like you hate Tumblr, not trans people.
#59 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
Like you said CIS is normal and anything else is abnormal. These people need to be fixed.
User avatar #66 - veirianmayne (09/05/2014) [-]
Sooooooooooooo, people that don't line up with your singular viewpoint need to be fixed?

Cause historically, that usually makes people public enemy number one, ergo Hitler with Jews, Disables(even if you were born fully functioning and lost a leg in battle, you were less than proper human to him), gypsies, etcetera.

See, people like you piss me the fuck off, because when people get to know me, then find out I'm asexual, I get this shit fuck tonne load of bullshit about how I'm "not really interested in sex, I just haven't fucked someone yet". like they get what's bouncing around in my head.

Or even better, I get the assholes like my parents who had me admitted to a mental ward for a bit because I was an affront to their version of proper. Which is God made man and woman to propagate the species(Only after marriage of course), and since I didn't do that I was as bad as a homosexual and would be burning in hell.

The problem with a person who doesn't have the proper understanding of a problem someone faces, such as yourself, can not find a way to properly 'fix' it.

We don't hire mechanics to do brain surgery, we don't find anony-patsies to 'fix' people heads because they don't agree with others beliefs or feelings.

The short of it is, leave people to be as Hetero, Homo, Bi, A, or Pansexual as they want, and leave people to choose to identify as male, female, both or neither as they want and don't pretend to be right or have all the answers, because we all know you don't.
#90 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
Their brain chemistry is all fucked up. The same thing is in people with other mental illnesses. Being trans is just another mental illness and we need to help these people, not enable them. You wouldn't just tell someone with Schizophrenia that it's ok to have it and they don't need treatment. That person also has a fucked up brain.
User avatar #100 - veirianmayne (09/05/2014) [-]
Also, forgot to mention, schizophrenia is a helluva lot different than identifying as another gender.
#124 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
How so? These people often hear voices and even sometimes IDENTIFY as other people/the voices in their heads. That's the more extreme cases but still. Sometimes they think they're another IDENTITY (gender) than they actually are.
User avatar #99 - veirianmayne (09/05/2014) [-]
The way you're addressing it is garbage though.

By your standards, then, we would take someone trans, pump their body full of hormones and mess with their mind until the person they are now becomes the person you want them to be. Complacent with their birth gender and such.

You are literal referencing the idea of erasing part of someone's identity for the sake of making them your definition of normal.

That is, to be frank, extremely selfish, rude, and overall unpleasant.

And thAT's not even getting into the ages that some people find these things out.

Would you go so far as to say we would have to mess with a six year old boys head, because he wants to wear dresses and make-up and identifies as female?

Right now, that Hitler reference from earlier, you remember right? Yeah, you're only achieving in making yourself appear more like that.

Where as if we address transgender-ness the way a trans person wants it addressed, we could even open up a brand new field of medicine based on simply growing parts of bodies and learning how to graft them properly. Meaning that trans people could get what they want, but other people suffering missing limbs or body parts would benefit too.

You'd be surprised what could be done if people, such as yourself, stopped being narrow minded.
#123 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
I wont make them the person I want them to be. They can have their own likes and hobbies. Like football. Like video games. I don't give a fuck. All I'm saying is we fix their malfunctioning brain like we would fix any other body part that is messed up. They will still have their identity and own personality. They wont be a mindless zombie. Also it's not MY definition of normal, it is THE definition of normal. Psychology definition of normal - free from any mental disorder. The... well... normal definition of normal (meaning not psychology or anything else) - conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular.

About the 6 year old: Yes. That child needs help.
User avatar #133 - veirianmayne (09/06/2014) [-]
Two part response, to both comments and their replies and such.

Firstly is the Schizophrenia thing. Actually really its got a lot to do with your comparisons of saying it is just like every other mental disorder. You are generalising a vast and complex field of study there mate.

Would you, say, treat a person with ADD the same way you treat a person with Criminal Psychosis? Or a Schizophrenic the way you would a Bulimic? How about treating a person with an Anxiety disorder the same way you treat a person with Depression?

No you would not.

Another good thing to note is that if a person is a nervous eater(People can suffer from psychological conditions brought on by nervousness, yes. Hiccups, twitching, mumbling, fidgeting and the like.) and, suffers from anxiety issues. So, you know, they are nervous a lot. They are also lazy, don't excercise or eat well, so they are morbidly obese.

That person is often told to change the physical aspects of their lives, because we don't have 100% fool-proof ways of changing the mental issues behind the anxiety attacks or nervous eating.

Why is being Trans any different?


Now, onto the next topic (Reply to Number 123).

You didn't touch the part that I spoke of, erasing part of their identity. You say you would 'fix' the bad parts, no? But what if, after all the therapy and mindfuckery you do to 'fix' them, they still hold onto the want to wear a dress(For a man) or to grow a goatee(For a woman), because they think they are more comfortable with the look or feel?

What then? Who are you to say where the 'wrongness' starts and ends?

You are not God, the the countless experiments that would undoubtedly end terribly for people would screw over thousands before we ever saw the results you want, I'm sure.

So, right now, we're looking at, we do things your way, and part of that person's personality, what makes them who they are, is destroyed, and you claim they are fixed or, we do what you want, and it doesn't work anyway.
#33 - I don't like getting into the transgender thing because it ope…  [+] (44 new replies) 09/05/2014 on Check your privilege +2
#34 - endospore (09/05/2014) [-]
That's stupid. That's like saying that you don't like to bring up bisexual people because then you have to worry about gay people, and questioning people and so on. Or that you don't like getting into evolution because then it opens up the whole God and creationism thing. It doesn't mean they don't exist.
#35 - trickytrickster (09/05/2014) [-]
You wanna know what I think? I think that outside of gay, bi, and straight, the rest is basically made up bullshit. You can't have 47 genders. That's stupid. I'm sure there are trans people out there too, who feel they are trapped in the wrong body. I consider that a mental problem not a physical problem. Thumb away.
#60 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
ok, i'm sorry, but saying that it opens up to having 47 genders is nonsense, do you seriously believe anyone outsideo of tumblr's freakshow thinks that, people identify as different genders, and it's pretty much pointless to try and discriminate because it will just work against you, I say let people call themselves a fucking martian if they want to, It takes a lot of effort to care about such things, it takes no effort not to give a fuck
#56 - billburr (09/05/2014) [-]
It is all very complicated, but luckily as a straight man it's not something I have to care about. People can do whatever the fuck they want, surgically attach a dick to your forehead and I won't blink as long as you cover it up in public
#43 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
Actually, I've read studies that have shown that transgender people actually do have brains similar to those of the opposite sex. Personally, I think that the reason they believe they're the wrong sex is because we so stereotype genders into certain areas, so they believe that they're "supposed" to be the opposite sex and that's why they don't fit in. That said, there really aren't 47 genders, there are two: masculine and feminine. They don't always match up with the respective sexes, but that's not a huge deal.
#55 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
So they have mental problems. That's what i've been saying. Their brain is wrong.
#104 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
Yes, but not in the way that you're thinking about it. The anomalies in their brain are not significant structural problems, like in the case of Schizophrenia or Manic-Bipolar disorder, but simply cases of the body developing in an incorrect way. While they were in-utero they still produced a healthy brain, completely capable of all normal human activity with no hindrance, but for some bizarre reason it follows the design of the brain in the opposite sex. It's not a serious problem, it's more of an oddity, and one that can easily be fixed with hormone treatments and surgery.
#111 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
Incorrect way. Their brain is wrong and needs to be fixed. This is exactly what i'm saying. It needs to be corrected. These people should be fixed with hormone treatments and surgery like you said, not just say IT'S OKKKK THAT YOU'RE MENTALLY ILL! DON'T EVEN FIX YOUR MENTAL ILLNESS!
#42 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
It is entirely possible to be born transgender. In general, people have male brains or female brains based on how they develop in the womb and what hormones they are exposed to. Some people however are exposed to incorrect hormones and either all or part of their brain can develop along the lines of the opposite gender rather than the one they are physically.

Thus, it's entirely possible to have a male's body physically, but to have a brain that is completely feminized, hence the disconnect and the GID. The same thing happens with the partially feminized brains, which can leave people feminine in some areas and masculine in others. It's a lot more complex than it is made out to be.
#58 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
"incorrect hormones"
Thank you. Their brain chemistry is fucked up just like any other mental illness. Trans people need to be helped, not enabled.
#107 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
You're not thinking about this the right way. It's a completely healthy brain, there's nothing wrong with it, it's just in the wrong place. It's like polydactyl, a genetic disease which causes an extra finger. It's a completely functioning finger, there's nothing wrong with how it works, it's just not supposed to be there.
#112 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
I'm just not thinking about this in the way YOU want me to. There is something wrong with the brain. It's hormones and chemistry is fucked up and needs to be fixed.
#116 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
You're over-simplifying this issue, and it's not a benefit to your abilities.
User avatar #106 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Except that the easiest and least dangerous way to treat said illness is to use hormone therapy to realign the body instead of the brain. We understand a hell of a lot more about changing one's body than one's mind.

Even were it possible to change one's mind, would it be ethical? Would it be ethical to use chemicals to alter someone's opinion on communism? Would it be ethical to use chemicals to force someone to say yes to giving their power of attorney away? No, it wouldn't. So why would it be ethical to force someone's brain to function as a different gender than it does?

Regardless of if you agree with trans people or not, there is evidence that it is completely legitimate. Ranging from brain chemistry to behavioural analysis, it proves that transgender people (ie. people who's brain functions as a gender that their body does not correspond with) are real. Not to mention that the suicide rate among Trans people is a whopping 42-46% (depending on which studies you take as more accurate).
#114 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
That suicide rate would go down if we fixed their brains instead of telling them not to change.
#108 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
It's not unethical. What would be unethical would be changing how they thought then allowing them to revert back to their previous way of thinking to realize what they had done. Ethics is based on true dangers to society or humanity, not your philosophical qualms.
User avatar #109 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Actually ethics and morality is based almost solely on social and philosophical thoughts. In nature, there are no ethics, only survival of the fittest.
#110 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
So tell it is unethical to change someone's way of thinking? They will not believe anything is wrong, if anything they'll actually detest their old beliefs. They'll probably be grateful that you changed the way they thought, it it's really fundamentally no different than debating someone into a new point-of-view.
User avatar #113 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Debating someone into a new point of view gives them information to process that will be tempered by their old viewpoint. Simply using some kind of medicated therapy to wash their brain into a new viewpoint is entirely different, and, in my opinion, wrong.

I'm just making the point that altering someone's mind without their consent isn't right, it fundamentally violates every human rights code ever written. If someone wants that, more power to them, but if you make that the only choice, then it's not only reprehensible (in my eyes), but irresponsible too.
#117 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
All we would be doing is fixing their brain. Their body is male so their brain should be male. We're making their lives easier for them. It's the same as cutting a tail off a baby who was born with one. Humans aren't supposed to have tails so we fix it.
User avatar #121 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Except that the DNA of every human contains all the instructions to make everything that any human is or could be. The only thing that decides what happens and where is what hormones active which genes.

In your DNA, there are instructions for the creation of a vagina, breasts, every sex characteristic known to humankind. The only reason you're one or the other is that your X or Y chromosome details which hormone(s) you were exposed to more in the womb.
#127 - 4chan refugee (09/06/2014) [-]
DNA can have mistakes in them. They often too. There are genetic diseases passed down from generation to generation. Trans people is another mistake within their genes and DNA.
User avatar #129 - hermaeousmora (09/06/2014) [-]
Except that Trans people don't have different DNA. Trans issues arise from hormonal problems, as far as we can tell. I pointed out the DNA tidbit because it relates to the hormone issue. Your DNA only works in tandem with other systems, and contains all the information to make you or any version of you.
#130 - 4chan refugee (09/06/2014) [-]
Their hormones fucked up and made a mistake. That's what happened to trans people. We should correct this mistake like we would correct any mistake.
User avatar #131 - hermaeousmora (09/06/2014) [-]
I agree, we should correct the mistake and let their bodies realign to their brains.
User avatar #132 - hermaeousmora (09/06/2014) [-]
If that's what they want, I mean.
#115 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
But when debating someone the introduction of new information is relatively small. Rather, you're changing how they view existing information so they view an issue in a new light. Chemically changing someone's mind is fundamentally the same thing. It doesn't add new information, it instead changes how they consider existing information so that they support a new viewpoint.

That said, I don't like what this anon is saying. He's disturbingly fascist, and I mean that legitimately. Saying that you don't like people asking to be special snowflakes is fine, calling these people mentally ill and freaks of nature is not.
User avatar #119 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Either way you slice it, in one situation you allow them to think and reconsider the information, the other forces the conclusion upon them. It may fundamentally use the same mechanisms, but so do sex and rape.

Regardless, I agree. It is in my opinion that so long as you're not harming anyone else, you can do ANYTHING you want to.
#120 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
Eh, after someone's been raped they're aware that something bad has happened to them, and they believe that it is bad. This is more like forcefully injecting someone with a "happy" drug.
User avatar #125 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Everyone around them is aware that something has happened to them. They might be aware that their mind has been altered without their consent. They might be mad about that even if the result doesn't anger them anymore. If you murder someone that everybody wanted dead, should you get off Scott free? It doesn't matter whether they care about the result or not, you've violated the fundamental right to freedom of thought.
#118 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
But they are mentally ill... their entire brain is wired incorrectly with it's chemicals and hormones. The same thing can be said about countless other mental illnesses and we don't just say hey you're fine the way you are. We help those people and try to cure them.
User avatar #122 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
If a schizophrenic denies treatment, and is not a danger to the lives of themselves or others, it is both illegal and unethical to force treatment onto them.

If someone depressed does not try to commit suicide or has not made it known that they intend to attempt suicide, then we cannot force treatment or confinement onto them.

I assume you're an American, and you love your freedom. Sorry bub, but freedom cuts both ways.
#126 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
But then don't expect people to accept you for having depression or schizophrenia and try to change laws and shit because of it.
User avatar #128 - hermaeousmora (09/06/2014) [-]
I sort of agree. Legally, there shouldn't be any reason to distinguish you because you're trans, schizo, or depressed. Legally, there shouldn't be any difference between a gay marriage and a straight one.

So why then is it such a problem if someone wants to change their government Identification from a little M to a little F? It shouldn't affect anything legally, it's just for them to feel more comfortable. So why is it a problem? What's the problem with letting people change their representation of themselves? What is the problem with letting these people life their lives how they want to when they're not hurting anyone?

Is it really so harmful to you to let these people be happy that you need to lash out at them?
User avatar #135 - veirianmayne (09/06/2014) [-]
I think we broke his arguments XD
#36 - endospore (09/05/2014) [-]
Why does it make it any different if it's a mental or physical problem? People with autism have a mental problem, but that doesn't mean you get angry at them because you don't want to deal with it. And you're drastically overreacting to Tumblr's bullshit. There's really just 3. Cis (meaning normal, in a word), trans (meaning you feel like you're in the wrong gendered body) and androgynous (meaning you don't identify with either strongly).

it's really the same exact thing as sexuality, where there's straight, gay or bi. There are plenty of others, like pansexual or asexual, but those are only if you really want to get specific.

You sound to me like you hate Tumblr, not trans people.
#59 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
Like you said CIS is normal and anything else is abnormal. These people need to be fixed.
User avatar #66 - veirianmayne (09/05/2014) [-]
Sooooooooooooo, people that don't line up with your singular viewpoint need to be fixed?

Cause historically, that usually makes people public enemy number one, ergo Hitler with Jews, Disables(even if you were born fully functioning and lost a leg in battle, you were less than proper human to him), gypsies, etcetera.

See, people like you piss me the fuck off, because when people get to know me, then find out I'm asexual, I get this shit fuck tonne load of bullshit about how I'm "not really interested in sex, I just haven't fucked someone yet". like they get what's bouncing around in my head.

Or even better, I get the assholes like my parents who had me admitted to a mental ward for a bit because I was an affront to their version of proper. Which is God made man and woman to propagate the species(Only after marriage of course), and since I didn't do that I was as bad as a homosexual and would be burning in hell.

The problem with a person who doesn't have the proper understanding of a problem someone faces, such as yourself, can not find a way to properly 'fix' it.

We don't hire mechanics to do brain surgery, we don't find anony-patsies to 'fix' people heads because they don't agree with others beliefs or feelings.

The short of it is, leave people to be as Hetero, Homo, Bi, A, or Pansexual as they want, and leave people to choose to identify as male, female, both or neither as they want and don't pretend to be right or have all the answers, because we all know you don't.
#90 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
Their brain chemistry is all fucked up. The same thing is in people with other mental illnesses. Being trans is just another mental illness and we need to help these people, not enable them. You wouldn't just tell someone with Schizophrenia that it's ok to have it and they don't need treatment. That person also has a fucked up brain.
User avatar #100 - veirianmayne (09/05/2014) [-]
Also, forgot to mention, schizophrenia is a helluva lot different than identifying as another gender.
#124 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
How so? These people often hear voices and even sometimes IDENTIFY as other people/the voices in their heads. That's the more extreme cases but still. Sometimes they think they're another IDENTITY (gender) than they actually are.
User avatar #99 - veirianmayne (09/05/2014) [-]
The way you're addressing it is garbage though.

By your standards, then, we would take someone trans, pump their body full of hormones and mess with their mind until the person they are now becomes the person you want them to be. Complacent with their birth gender and such.

You are literal referencing the idea of erasing part of someone's identity for the sake of making them your definition of normal.

That is, to be frank, extremely selfish, rude, and overall unpleasant.

And thAT's not even getting into the ages that some people find these things out.

Would you go so far as to say we would have to mess with a six year old boys head, because he wants to wear dresses and make-up and identifies as female?

Right now, that Hitler reference from earlier, you remember right? Yeah, you're only achieving in making yourself appear more like that.

Where as if we address transgender-ness the way a trans person wants it addressed, we could even open up a brand new field of medicine based on simply growing parts of bodies and learning how to graft them properly. Meaning that trans people could get what they want, but other people suffering missing limbs or body parts would benefit too.

You'd be surprised what could be done if people, such as yourself, stopped being narrow minded.
#123 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
I wont make them the person I want them to be. They can have their own likes and hobbies. Like football. Like video games. I don't give a fuck. All I'm saying is we fix their malfunctioning brain like we would fix any other body part that is messed up. They will still have their identity and own personality. They wont be a mindless zombie. Also it's not MY definition of normal, it is THE definition of normal. Psychology definition of normal - free from any mental disorder. The... well... normal definition of normal (meaning not psychology or anything else) - conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular.

About the 6 year old: Yes. That child needs help.
User avatar #133 - veirianmayne (09/06/2014) [-]
Two part response, to both comments and their replies and such.

Firstly is the Schizophrenia thing. Actually really its got a lot to do with your comparisons of saying it is just like every other mental disorder. You are generalising a vast and complex field of study there mate.

Would you, say, treat a person with ADD the same way you treat a person with Criminal Psychosis? Or a Schizophrenic the way you would a Bulimic? How about treating a person with an Anxiety disorder the same way you treat a person with Depression?

No you would not.

Another good thing to note is that if a person is a nervous eater(People can suffer from psychological conditions brought on by nervousness, yes. Hiccups, twitching, mumbling, fidgeting and the like.) and, suffers from anxiety issues. So, you know, they are nervous a lot. They are also lazy, don't excercise or eat well, so they are morbidly obese.

That person is often told to change the physical aspects of their lives, because we don't have 100% fool-proof ways of changing the mental issues behind the anxiety attacks or nervous eating.

Why is being Trans any different?


Now, onto the next topic (Reply to Number 123).

You didn't touch the part that I spoke of, erasing part of their identity. You say you would 'fix' the bad parts, no? But what if, after all the therapy and mindfuckery you do to 'fix' them, they still hold onto the want to wear a dress(For a man) or to grow a goatee(For a woman), because they think they are more comfortable with the look or feel?

What then? Who are you to say where the 'wrongness' starts and ends?

You are not God, the the countless experiments that would undoubtedly end terribly for people would screw over thousands before we ever saw the results you want, I'm sure.

So, right now, we're looking at, we do things your way, and part of that person's personality, what makes them who they are, is destroyed, and you claim they are fixed or, we do what you want, and it doesn't work anyway.
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#32 - endospore (09/05/2014) [-]
You are born transgender as well, just like you're born gay, straight or bi.
#64 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
No, you are born A gender. ONE gender. When you undergo surgery to forcibly change it then you are transgender. No you also were not born a cat or a horse or whatever you weird fuckers think these days. Gay straight and bi are adjectives you place on yourself regarding your sexual preferences, so actually you're not born any of those either -- you have to figure out what you like sexually first
User avatar #78 - yetaxaa (09/05/2014) [-]
you're getting a lot of things confused.
OK first off, in many ways you're right. You are not born trans in the same way you are not born gay or straight. A baby has no concept of sex or gender or sexuality. A baby boy is a boy because of physical attributes.

but a transgender is NOT someone who simply has a physical sex change (or gender reassignment as they call it). It's someone who feels that they are not the gender that they are physically. Many don't have an operation because they simply don't want to.

Also, what's wrong with dressing differently. There's no real reason that dresses are 'women's clothes' so why should men not wear it?

Although once we go further and we get to people complaining about 'the gender binary and how they 'identify' as some gender they just made and wish you to use pronouns they just made up then I agree, THAT is bullshit.
#91 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
A person who is trans has messed up brain chemistry and needs to be helped, not enabled. Just like you would help someone with bulimia, you wouldn't tell them that it's ok to eat and then throw up. A person with bulimia also has a mental illness because of brain chemistry.
#54 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
You are born with a penis or a vagina. Depending on what sexual organ you have determines what you wear. A gay man should still dress like a boy, not in dresses and skirts and shit.
#33 - trickytrickster (09/05/2014) [-]
I don't like getting into the transgender thing because it opens up the whole cis and trans and genderqueer and bigender and androgyne and it's just too much.
#34 - endospore (09/05/2014) [-]
That's stupid. That's like saying that you don't like to bring up bisexual people because then you have to worry about gay people, and questioning people and so on. Or that you don't like getting into evolution because then it opens up the whole God and creationism thing. It doesn't mean they don't exist.
#35 - trickytrickster (09/05/2014) [-]
You wanna know what I think? I think that outside of gay, bi, and straight, the rest is basically made up bullshit. You can't have 47 genders. That's stupid. I'm sure there are trans people out there too, who feel they are trapped in the wrong body. I consider that a mental problem not a physical problem. Thumb away.
#60 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
ok, i'm sorry, but saying that it opens up to having 47 genders is nonsense, do you seriously believe anyone outsideo of tumblr's freakshow thinks that, people identify as different genders, and it's pretty much pointless to try and discriminate because it will just work against you, I say let people call themselves a fucking martian if they want to, It takes a lot of effort to care about such things, it takes no effort not to give a fuck
#56 - billburr (09/05/2014) [-]
It is all very complicated, but luckily as a straight man it's not something I have to care about. People can do whatever the fuck they want, surgically attach a dick to your forehead and I won't blink as long as you cover it up in public
#43 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
Actually, I've read studies that have shown that transgender people actually do have brains similar to those of the opposite sex. Personally, I think that the reason they believe they're the wrong sex is because we so stereotype genders into certain areas, so they believe that they're "supposed" to be the opposite sex and that's why they don't fit in. That said, there really aren't 47 genders, there are two: masculine and feminine. They don't always match up with the respective sexes, but that's not a huge deal.
#55 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
So they have mental problems. That's what i've been saying. Their brain is wrong.
#104 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
Yes, but not in the way that you're thinking about it. The anomalies in their brain are not significant structural problems, like in the case of Schizophrenia or Manic-Bipolar disorder, but simply cases of the body developing in an incorrect way. While they were in-utero they still produced a healthy brain, completely capable of all normal human activity with no hindrance, but for some bizarre reason it follows the design of the brain in the opposite sex. It's not a serious problem, it's more of an oddity, and one that can easily be fixed with hormone treatments and surgery.
#111 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
Incorrect way. Their brain is wrong and needs to be fixed. This is exactly what i'm saying. It needs to be corrected. These people should be fixed with hormone treatments and surgery like you said, not just say IT'S OKKKK THAT YOU'RE MENTALLY ILL! DON'T EVEN FIX YOUR MENTAL ILLNESS!
#42 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
It is entirely possible to be born transgender. In general, people have male brains or female brains based on how they develop in the womb and what hormones they are exposed to. Some people however are exposed to incorrect hormones and either all or part of their brain can develop along the lines of the opposite gender rather than the one they are physically.

Thus, it's entirely possible to have a male's body physically, but to have a brain that is completely feminized, hence the disconnect and the GID. The same thing happens with the partially feminized brains, which can leave people feminine in some areas and masculine in others. It's a lot more complex than it is made out to be.
#58 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
"incorrect hormones"
Thank you. Their brain chemistry is fucked up just like any other mental illness. Trans people need to be helped, not enabled.
#107 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
You're not thinking about this the right way. It's a completely healthy brain, there's nothing wrong with it, it's just in the wrong place. It's like polydactyl, a genetic disease which causes an extra finger. It's a completely functioning finger, there's nothing wrong with how it works, it's just not supposed to be there.
#112 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
I'm just not thinking about this in the way YOU want me to. There is something wrong with the brain. It's hormones and chemistry is fucked up and needs to be fixed.
#116 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
You're over-simplifying this issue, and it's not a benefit to your abilities.
User avatar #106 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Except that the easiest and least dangerous way to treat said illness is to use hormone therapy to realign the body instead of the brain. We understand a hell of a lot more about changing one's body than one's mind.

Even were it possible to change one's mind, would it be ethical? Would it be ethical to use chemicals to alter someone's opinion on communism? Would it be ethical to use chemicals to force someone to say yes to giving their power of attorney away? No, it wouldn't. So why would it be ethical to force someone's brain to function as a different gender than it does?

Regardless of if you agree with trans people or not, there is evidence that it is completely legitimate. Ranging from brain chemistry to behavioural analysis, it proves that transgender people (ie. people who's brain functions as a gender that their body does not correspond with) are real. Not to mention that the suicide rate among Trans people is a whopping 42-46% (depending on which studies you take as more accurate).
#114 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
That suicide rate would go down if we fixed their brains instead of telling them not to change.
#108 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
It's not unethical. What would be unethical would be changing how they thought then allowing them to revert back to their previous way of thinking to realize what they had done. Ethics is based on true dangers to society or humanity, not your philosophical qualms.
User avatar #109 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Actually ethics and morality is based almost solely on social and philosophical thoughts. In nature, there are no ethics, only survival of the fittest.
#110 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
So tell it is unethical to change someone's way of thinking? They will not believe anything is wrong, if anything they'll actually detest their old beliefs. They'll probably be grateful that you changed the way they thought, it it's really fundamentally no different than debating someone into a new point-of-view.
User avatar #113 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Debating someone into a new point of view gives them information to process that will be tempered by their old viewpoint. Simply using some kind of medicated therapy to wash their brain into a new viewpoint is entirely different, and, in my opinion, wrong.

I'm just making the point that altering someone's mind without their consent isn't right, it fundamentally violates every human rights code ever written. If someone wants that, more power to them, but if you make that the only choice, then it's not only reprehensible (in my eyes), but irresponsible too.
#117 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
All we would be doing is fixing their brain. Their body is male so their brain should be male. We're making their lives easier for them. It's the same as cutting a tail off a baby who was born with one. Humans aren't supposed to have tails so we fix it.
User avatar #121 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Except that the DNA of every human contains all the instructions to make everything that any human is or could be. The only thing that decides what happens and where is what hormones active which genes.

In your DNA, there are instructions for the creation of a vagina, breasts, every sex characteristic known to humankind. The only reason you're one or the other is that your X or Y chromosome details which hormone(s) you were exposed to more in the womb.
#127 - 4chan refugee (09/06/2014) [-]
DNA can have mistakes in them. They often too. There are genetic diseases passed down from generation to generation. Trans people is another mistake within their genes and DNA.
User avatar #129 - hermaeousmora (09/06/2014) [-]
Except that Trans people don't have different DNA. Trans issues arise from hormonal problems, as far as we can tell. I pointed out the DNA tidbit because it relates to the hormone issue. Your DNA only works in tandem with other systems, and contains all the information to make you or any version of you.
#130 - 4chan refugee (09/06/2014) [-]
Their hormones fucked up and made a mistake. That's what happened to trans people. We should correct this mistake like we would correct any mistake.
User avatar #131 - hermaeousmora (09/06/2014) [-]
I agree, we should correct the mistake and let their bodies realign to their brains.
User avatar #132 - hermaeousmora (09/06/2014) [-]
If that's what they want, I mean.
#115 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
But when debating someone the introduction of new information is relatively small. Rather, you're changing how they view existing information so they view an issue in a new light. Chemically changing someone's mind is fundamentally the same thing. It doesn't add new information, it instead changes how they consider existing information so that they support a new viewpoint.

That said, I don't like what this anon is saying. He's disturbingly fascist, and I mean that legitimately. Saying that you don't like people asking to be special snowflakes is fine, calling these people mentally ill and freaks of nature is not.
User avatar #119 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Either way you slice it, in one situation you allow them to think and reconsider the information, the other forces the conclusion upon them. It may fundamentally use the same mechanisms, but so do sex and rape.

Regardless, I agree. It is in my opinion that so long as you're not harming anyone else, you can do ANYTHING you want to.
#120 - greyhoundfd (09/05/2014) [-]
Eh, after someone's been raped they're aware that something bad has happened to them, and they believe that it is bad. This is more like forcefully injecting someone with a "happy" drug.
User avatar #125 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
Everyone around them is aware that something has happened to them. They might be aware that their mind has been altered without their consent. They might be mad about that even if the result doesn't anger them anymore. If you murder someone that everybody wanted dead, should you get off Scott free? It doesn't matter whether they care about the result or not, you've violated the fundamental right to freedom of thought.
#118 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
But they are mentally ill... their entire brain is wired incorrectly with it's chemicals and hormones. The same thing can be said about countless other mental illnesses and we don't just say hey you're fine the way you are. We help those people and try to cure them.
User avatar #122 - hermaeousmora (09/05/2014) [-]
If a schizophrenic denies treatment, and is not a danger to the lives of themselves or others, it is both illegal and unethical to force treatment onto them.

If someone depressed does not try to commit suicide or has not made it known that they intend to attempt suicide, then we cannot force treatment or confinement onto them.

I assume you're an American, and you love your freedom. Sorry bub, but freedom cuts both ways.
#126 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
But then don't expect people to accept you for having depression or schizophrenia and try to change laws and shit because of it.
User avatar #128 - hermaeousmora (09/06/2014) [-]
I sort of agree. Legally, there shouldn't be any reason to distinguish you because you're trans, schizo, or depressed. Legally, there shouldn't be any difference between a gay marriage and a straight one.

So why then is it such a problem if someone wants to change their government Identification from a little M to a little F? It shouldn't affect anything legally, it's just for them to feel more comfortable. So why is it a problem? What's the problem with letting people change their representation of themselves? What is the problem with letting these people life their lives how they want to when they're not hurting anyone?

Is it really so harmful to you to let these people be happy that you need to lash out at them?
User avatar #135 - veirianmayne (09/06/2014) [-]
I think we broke his arguments XD
#36 - endospore (09/05/2014) [-]
Why does it make it any different if it's a mental or physical problem? People with autism have a mental problem, but that doesn't mean you get angry at them because you don't want to deal with it. And you're drastically overreacting to Tumblr's bullshit. There's really just 3. Cis (meaning normal, in a word), trans (meaning you feel like you're in the wrong gendered body) and androgynous (meaning you don't identify with either strongly).

it's really the same exact thing as sexuality, where there's straight, gay or bi. There are plenty of others, like pansexual or asexual, but those are only if you really want to get specific.

You sound to me like you hate Tumblr, not trans people.
#59 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
Like you said CIS is normal and anything else is abnormal. These people need to be fixed.
User avatar #66 - veirianmayne (09/05/2014) [-]
Sooooooooooooo, people that don't line up with your singular viewpoint need to be fixed?

Cause historically, that usually makes people public enemy number one, ergo Hitler with Jews, Disables(even if you were born fully functioning and lost a leg in battle, you were less than proper human to him), gypsies, etcetera.

See, people like you piss me the fuck off, because when people get to know me, then find out I'm asexual, I get this shit fuck tonne load of bullshit about how I'm "not really interested in sex, I just haven't fucked someone yet". like they get what's bouncing around in my head.

Or even better, I get the assholes like my parents who had me admitted to a mental ward for a bit because I was an affront to their version of proper. Which is God made man and woman to propagate the species(Only after marriage of course), and since I didn't do that I was as bad as a homosexual and would be burning in hell.

The problem with a person who doesn't have the proper understanding of a problem someone faces, such as yourself, can not find a way to properly 'fix' it.

We don't hire mechanics to do brain surgery, we don't find anony-patsies to 'fix' people heads because they don't agree with others beliefs or feelings.

The short of it is, leave people to be as Hetero, Homo, Bi, A, or Pansexual as they want, and leave people to choose to identify as male, female, both or neither as they want and don't pretend to be right or have all the answers, because we all know you don't.
#90 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
Their brain chemistry is all fucked up. The same thing is in people with other mental illnesses. Being trans is just another mental illness and we need to help these people, not enable them. You wouldn't just tell someone with Schizophrenia that it's ok to have it and they don't need treatment. That person also has a fucked up brain.
User avatar #100 - veirianmayne (09/05/2014) [-]
Also, forgot to mention, schizophrenia is a helluva lot different than identifying as another gender.
#124 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
How so? These people often hear voices and even sometimes IDENTIFY as other people/the voices in their heads. That's the more extreme cases but still. Sometimes they think they're another IDENTITY (gender) than they actually are.
User avatar #99 - veirianmayne (09/05/2014) [-]
The way you're addressing it is garbage though.

By your standards, then, we would take someone trans, pump their body full of hormones and mess with their mind until the person they are now becomes the person you want them to be. Complacent with their birth gender and such.

You are literal referencing the idea of erasing part of someone's identity for the sake of making them your definition of normal.

That is, to be frank, extremely selfish, rude, and overall unpleasant.

And thAT's not even getting into the ages that some people find these things out.

Would you go so far as to say we would have to mess with a six year old boys head, because he wants to wear dresses and make-up and identifies as female?

Right now, that Hitler reference from earlier, you remember right? Yeah, you're only achieving in making yourself appear more like that.

Where as if we address transgender-ness the way a trans person wants it addressed, we could even open up a brand new field of medicine based on simply growing parts of bodies and learning how to graft them properly. Meaning that trans people could get what they want, but other people suffering missing limbs or body parts would benefit too.

You'd be surprised what could be done if people, such as yourself, stopped being narrow minded.
#123 - 4chan refugee (09/05/2014) [-]
I wont make them the person I want them to be. They can have their own likes and hobbies. Like football. Like video games. I don't give a fuck. All I'm saying is we fix their malfunctioning brain like we would fix any other body part that is messed up. They will still have their identity and own personality. They wont be a mindless zombie. Also it's not MY definition of normal, it is THE definition of normal. Psychology definition of normal - free from any mental disorder. The... well... normal definition of normal (meaning not psychology or anything else) - conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular.

About the 6 year old: Yes. That child needs help.
User avatar #133 - veirianmayne (09/06/2014) [-]
Two part response, to both comments and their replies and such.

Firstly is the Schizophrenia thing. Actually really its got a lot to do with your comparisons of saying it is just like every other mental disorder. You are generalising a vast and complex field of study there mate.

Would you, say, treat a person with ADD the same way you treat a person with Criminal Psychosis? Or a Schizophrenic the way you would a Bulimic? How about treating a person with an Anxiety disorder the same way you treat a person with Depression?

No you would not.

Another good thing to note is that if a person is a nervous eater(People can suffer from psychological conditions brought on by nervousness, yes. Hiccups, twitching, mumbling, fidgeting and the like.) and, suffers from anxiety issues. So, you know, they are nervous a lot. They are also lazy, don't excercise or eat well, so they are morbidly obese.

That person is often told to change the physical aspects of their lives, because we don't have 100% fool-proof ways of changing the mental issues behind the anxiety attacks or nervous eating.

Why is being Trans any different?


Now, onto the next topic (Reply to Number 123).

You didn't touch the part that I spoke of, erasing part of their identity. You say you would 'fix' the bad parts, no? But what if, after all the therapy and mindfuckery you do to 'fix' them, they still hold onto the want to wear a dress(For a man) or to grow a goatee(For a woman), because they think they are more comfortable with the look or feel?

What then? Who are you to say where the 'wrongness' starts and ends?

You are not God, the the countless experiments that would undoubtedly end terribly for people would screw over thousands before we ever saw the results you want, I'm sure.

So, right now, we're looking at, we do things your way, and part of that person's personality, what makes them who they are, is destroyed, and you claim they are fixed or, we do what you want, and it doesn't work anyway.
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