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#80 - 7 weeks until the Austrians gave up. I have your word…  [+] (4 replies) 11/13/2016 on THE NIGEL SMILE 0
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#84 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
>>#82, As far as i know, a referendum like that is currently not really on the radar.
there is a party called "Bayernpartei" that wants independence, but it is very small.
We are not gonna go full separatist any time soon, but according to a survey conducted in 2011, 40% of bavarians wanted more independence, while 25% wanted to outright leave the BRD. Don't know how those figures would look nowadays.
#85 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
what's "more independence" even mean?

but 5 years ago 25% of Bavarians wanted to leave

again, interesting
User avatar
#81 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
fewer will say independence, but we identify as bavarians first and germans second.
we are kinda known for that.
#82 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
and beer. lederhosen. delicious sausage. Oktoberfest. strangely enough a wedding and the nobility decided to invite the commoners. how nice. and now it's a feast in September
apparently all of Germany is known for that.

the telegraph (UK) calls Bavaria Germany's Scotland.
how do people stand on independence or an independence referendum?
#74 - I'm guessing you know your history, right? Germany made up…  [+] (6 replies) 11/13/2016 on THE NIGEL SMILE 0
User avatar
#76 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
So? Culturally, linguistically and mentally we are much closer to Austria than Germany.
After WW2, there was talks of uniting Bavaria and Austria into a single country.
That is not just an asspull, there is a reason for that.
the region was historically settled by romanised celts (boiern) as opposed to the german tribes. Some influence by germans, celts and romans is what eventually accumulated into the Bavarian tribe.
Austria was only separated when Friedrich Barbarossa defeated Heinrich the Lion in 1180.
What followed was centuries of alternating between begrudging dependency and strife for independent power (which we got thanks to napoleon being a sucker). Finally in 1866, Bavaria and Austria were defeated in the Austro-Prussian War and Bavaria was absorbed into the German Empire while even still retaining some semblance of sovereignty.
Point being, that historically, Bavaria was always distinct from Germany, not "just another Kingdom" as you seem to be implying. We belong to Austria more than Germany, and a Austro-Bavarian nation after WW2 would have been better for all of us.
Ask any Bavarian if they feel more "German" or more "Bavarian" and in the majority of cases, the latter will be the answer.
#80 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
7 weeks until the Austrians gave up.

I have your word on that?
I travel to Germany, travel between cities, towns and villages in Bavaria and ask random people, and most of them would answer "yes" to "independence" or "Bavarian" if asked "which are you first, German or Bavarian?"

this is really interesting.
User avatar
#84 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
>>#82, As far as i know, a referendum like that is currently not really on the radar.
there is a party called "Bayernpartei" that wants independence, but it is very small.
We are not gonna go full separatist any time soon, but according to a survey conducted in 2011, 40% of bavarians wanted more independence, while 25% wanted to outright leave the BRD. Don't know how those figures would look nowadays.
#85 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
what's "more independence" even mean?

but 5 years ago 25% of Bavarians wanted to leave

again, interesting
User avatar
#81 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
fewer will say independence, but we identify as bavarians first and germans second.
we are kinda known for that.
#82 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
and beer. lederhosen. delicious sausage. Oktoberfest. strangely enough a wedding and the nobility decided to invite the commoners. how nice. and now it's a feast in September
apparently all of Germany is known for that.

the telegraph (UK) calls Bavaria Germany's Scotland.
how do people stand on independence or an independence referendum?
#71 - 1. not sure about that one 2. that might be true 3. tr…  [+] (8 replies) 11/13/2016 on THE NIGEL SMILE 0
User avatar
#72 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
Everyone knows it's not gonna happen.
doesn't mean we have to be happy about it.
The fact remains, that bavarians are different from the rest of germany.
we don't like you, you don't like us but you sure love our money.
the bavarian dream is to be left alone and not having to give a shit.
#74 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
I'm guessing you know your history, right?
Germany made up out of smaller (and some bigger) kingdoms. Yep. Okay, good, no need to go there.

completely unrelated or semi-related:
1. how would you, as a Bavarian, feel about a change in government? like, say, a complete outsider taking the job as....chancellor
2. what would be your issues to put before parliament?
User avatar
#76 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
So? Culturally, linguistically and mentally we are much closer to Austria than Germany.
After WW2, there was talks of uniting Bavaria and Austria into a single country.
That is not just an asspull, there is a reason for that.
the region was historically settled by romanised celts (boiern) as opposed to the german tribes. Some influence by germans, celts and romans is what eventually accumulated into the Bavarian tribe.
Austria was only separated when Friedrich Barbarossa defeated Heinrich the Lion in 1180.
What followed was centuries of alternating between begrudging dependency and strife for independent power (which we got thanks to napoleon being a sucker). Finally in 1866, Bavaria and Austria were defeated in the Austro-Prussian War and Bavaria was absorbed into the German Empire while even still retaining some semblance of sovereignty.
Point being, that historically, Bavaria was always distinct from Germany, not "just another Kingdom" as you seem to be implying. We belong to Austria more than Germany, and a Austro-Bavarian nation after WW2 would have been better for all of us.
Ask any Bavarian if they feel more "German" or more "Bavarian" and in the majority of cases, the latter will be the answer.
#80 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
7 weeks until the Austrians gave up.

I have your word on that?
I travel to Germany, travel between cities, towns and villages in Bavaria and ask random people, and most of them would answer "yes" to "independence" or "Bavarian" if asked "which are you first, German or Bavarian?"

this is really interesting.
User avatar
#84 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
>>#82, As far as i know, a referendum like that is currently not really on the radar.
there is a party called "Bayernpartei" that wants independence, but it is very small.
We are not gonna go full separatist any time soon, but according to a survey conducted in 2011, 40% of bavarians wanted more independence, while 25% wanted to outright leave the BRD. Don't know how those figures would look nowadays.
#85 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
what's "more independence" even mean?

but 5 years ago 25% of Bavarians wanted to leave

again, interesting
User avatar
#81 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
fewer will say independence, but we identify as bavarians first and germans second.
we are kinda known for that.
#82 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
and beer. lederhosen. delicious sausage. Oktoberfest. strangely enough a wedding and the nobility decided to invite the commoners. how nice. and now it's a feast in September
apparently all of Germany is known for that.

the telegraph (UK) calls Bavaria Germany's Scotland.
how do people stand on independence or an independence referendum?
#69 - tell me, IF Bavaria would get its independence, how do you thi…  [+] (10 replies) 11/13/2016 on THE NIGEL SMILE 0
User avatar
#70 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
Better economy especially in the industrial and technology sector.
Better standards for education.
Nicer.
And we would ofc let Austria and Tirol join us to form an Alp-Republic.
And then we would just cease to give a shit until the end of time.
#71 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
1. not sure about that one
2. that might be true
3. true, but claiming "we have mountains and forests" doesn't work. the rest of the country does too.
4. what makes you think they'd join YOU?
5. you can't cease to give a shit until the end of time and not face the consequences. you'd be getting yourself into a lot of shit, actually.

how old are you? you remind me of myself a few years back.
I was completely and utterly FUCKING DELUSIONAL

YEAH, LET'S CREATE THE EMPIRE AGAIN, I GUESS THAT'D WORK OUT JUST FINE.
NO NEED TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING EVER AGAIN!

WELL GUESS. FUCKING. WHAT.
THE WORLD DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT
User avatar
#72 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
Everyone knows it's not gonna happen.
doesn't mean we have to be happy about it.
The fact remains, that bavarians are different from the rest of germany.
we don't like you, you don't like us but you sure love our money.
the bavarian dream is to be left alone and not having to give a shit.
#74 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
I'm guessing you know your history, right?
Germany made up out of smaller (and some bigger) kingdoms. Yep. Okay, good, no need to go there.

completely unrelated or semi-related:
1. how would you, as a Bavarian, feel about a change in government? like, say, a complete outsider taking the job as....chancellor
2. what would be your issues to put before parliament?
User avatar
#76 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
So? Culturally, linguistically and mentally we are much closer to Austria than Germany.
After WW2, there was talks of uniting Bavaria and Austria into a single country.
That is not just an asspull, there is a reason for that.
the region was historically settled by romanised celts (boiern) as opposed to the german tribes. Some influence by germans, celts and romans is what eventually accumulated into the Bavarian tribe.
Austria was only separated when Friedrich Barbarossa defeated Heinrich the Lion in 1180.
What followed was centuries of alternating between begrudging dependency and strife for independent power (which we got thanks to napoleon being a sucker). Finally in 1866, Bavaria and Austria were defeated in the Austro-Prussian War and Bavaria was absorbed into the German Empire while even still retaining some semblance of sovereignty.
Point being, that historically, Bavaria was always distinct from Germany, not "just another Kingdom" as you seem to be implying. We belong to Austria more than Germany, and a Austro-Bavarian nation after WW2 would have been better for all of us.
Ask any Bavarian if they feel more "German" or more "Bavarian" and in the majority of cases, the latter will be the answer.
#80 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
7 weeks until the Austrians gave up.

I have your word on that?
I travel to Germany, travel between cities, towns and villages in Bavaria and ask random people, and most of them would answer "yes" to "independence" or "Bavarian" if asked "which are you first, German or Bavarian?"

this is really interesting.
User avatar
#84 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
>>#82, As far as i know, a referendum like that is currently not really on the radar.
there is a party called "Bayernpartei" that wants independence, but it is very small.
We are not gonna go full separatist any time soon, but according to a survey conducted in 2011, 40% of bavarians wanted more independence, while 25% wanted to outright leave the BRD. Don't know how those figures would look nowadays.
#85 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
what's "more independence" even mean?

but 5 years ago 25% of Bavarians wanted to leave

again, interesting
User avatar
#81 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
fewer will say independence, but we identify as bavarians first and germans second.
we are kinda known for that.
#82 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
and beer. lederhosen. delicious sausage. Oktoberfest. strangely enough a wedding and the nobility decided to invite the commoners. how nice. and now it's a feast in September
apparently all of Germany is known for that.

the telegraph (UK) calls Bavaria Germany's Scotland.
how do people stand on independence or an independence referendum?
#67 - are you even listening? Preussen gibt's net mehr …  [+] (12 replies) 11/13/2016 on THE NIGEL SMILE 0
User avatar
#68 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
they are shit and we don't belong with them.
they don't like us. we don't like them. our language is different. our culture is different.
only reason we are even in this country, is because Bismarck bribed King Ludwig II into selling out.
#69 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
tell me, IF Bavaria would get its independence, how do you think things would be?
what does Bavaria have that the rest doesn't?
and what makes you think Bavaria can survive being an independent country?

not to mention that the maps would look a whole lot uglier
User avatar
#70 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
Better economy especially in the industrial and technology sector.
Better standards for education.
Nicer.
And we would ofc let Austria and Tirol join us to form an Alp-Republic.
And then we would just cease to give a shit until the end of time.
#71 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
1. not sure about that one
2. that might be true
3. true, but claiming "we have mountains and forests" doesn't work. the rest of the country does too.
4. what makes you think they'd join YOU?
5. you can't cease to give a shit until the end of time and not face the consequences. you'd be getting yourself into a lot of shit, actually.

how old are you? you remind me of myself a few years back.
I was completely and utterly FUCKING DELUSIONAL

YEAH, LET'S CREATE THE EMPIRE AGAIN, I GUESS THAT'D WORK OUT JUST FINE.
NO NEED TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING EVER AGAIN!

WELL GUESS. FUCKING. WHAT.
THE WORLD DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT
User avatar
#72 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
Everyone knows it's not gonna happen.
doesn't mean we have to be happy about it.
The fact remains, that bavarians are different from the rest of germany.
we don't like you, you don't like us but you sure love our money.
the bavarian dream is to be left alone and not having to give a shit.
#74 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
I'm guessing you know your history, right?
Germany made up out of smaller (and some bigger) kingdoms. Yep. Okay, good, no need to go there.

completely unrelated or semi-related:
1. how would you, as a Bavarian, feel about a change in government? like, say, a complete outsider taking the job as....chancellor
2. what would be your issues to put before parliament?
User avatar
#76 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
So? Culturally, linguistically and mentally we are much closer to Austria than Germany.
After WW2, there was talks of uniting Bavaria and Austria into a single country.
That is not just an asspull, there is a reason for that.
the region was historically settled by romanised celts (boiern) as opposed to the german tribes. Some influence by germans, celts and romans is what eventually accumulated into the Bavarian tribe.
Austria was only separated when Friedrich Barbarossa defeated Heinrich the Lion in 1180.
What followed was centuries of alternating between begrudging dependency and strife for independent power (which we got thanks to napoleon being a sucker). Finally in 1866, Bavaria and Austria were defeated in the Austro-Prussian War and Bavaria was absorbed into the German Empire while even still retaining some semblance of sovereignty.
Point being, that historically, Bavaria was always distinct from Germany, not "just another Kingdom" as you seem to be implying. We belong to Austria more than Germany, and a Austro-Bavarian nation after WW2 would have been better for all of us.
Ask any Bavarian if they feel more "German" or more "Bavarian" and in the majority of cases, the latter will be the answer.
#80 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
7 weeks until the Austrians gave up.

I have your word on that?
I travel to Germany, travel between cities, towns and villages in Bavaria and ask random people, and most of them would answer "yes" to "independence" or "Bavarian" if asked "which are you first, German or Bavarian?"

this is really interesting.
User avatar
#84 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
>>#82, As far as i know, a referendum like that is currently not really on the radar.
there is a party called "Bayernpartei" that wants independence, but it is very small.
We are not gonna go full separatist any time soon, but according to a survey conducted in 2011, 40% of bavarians wanted more independence, while 25% wanted to outright leave the BRD. Don't know how those figures would look nowadays.
#85 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
what's "more independence" even mean?

but 5 years ago 25% of Bavarians wanted to leave

again, interesting
User avatar
#81 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
fewer will say independence, but we identify as bavarians first and germans second.
we are kinda known for that.
#82 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
and beer. lederhosen. delicious sausage. Oktoberfest. strangely enough a wedding and the nobility decided to invite the commoners. how nice. and now it's a feast in September
apparently all of Germany is known for that.

the telegraph (UK) calls Bavaria Germany's Scotland.
how do people stand on independence or an independence referendum?
#65 - in case you missed it, Prussia no longer exists. former Pr…  [+] (14 replies) 11/13/2016 on THE NIGEL SMILE +1
User avatar
#66 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
na. auf preißn kann i nur scheißn.
Bavaria + Austria + Tirol makes more sense than what we have now.
#67 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
are you even listening?
Preussen gibt's net mehr

and even if it were, what is your beef with Prussia or the north?
User avatar
#68 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
they are shit and we don't belong with them.
they don't like us. we don't like them. our language is different. our culture is different.
only reason we are even in this country, is because Bismarck bribed King Ludwig II into selling out.
#69 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
tell me, IF Bavaria would get its independence, how do you think things would be?
what does Bavaria have that the rest doesn't?
and what makes you think Bavaria can survive being an independent country?

not to mention that the maps would look a whole lot uglier
User avatar
#70 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
Better economy especially in the industrial and technology sector.
Better standards for education.
Nicer.
And we would ofc let Austria and Tirol join us to form an Alp-Republic.
And then we would just cease to give a shit until the end of time.
#71 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
1. not sure about that one
2. that might be true
3. true, but claiming "we have mountains and forests" doesn't work. the rest of the country does too.
4. what makes you think they'd join YOU?
5. you can't cease to give a shit until the end of time and not face the consequences. you'd be getting yourself into a lot of shit, actually.

how old are you? you remind me of myself a few years back.
I was completely and utterly FUCKING DELUSIONAL

YEAH, LET'S CREATE THE EMPIRE AGAIN, I GUESS THAT'D WORK OUT JUST FINE.
NO NEED TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING EVER AGAIN!

WELL GUESS. FUCKING. WHAT.
THE WORLD DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT
User avatar
#72 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
Everyone knows it's not gonna happen.
doesn't mean we have to be happy about it.
The fact remains, that bavarians are different from the rest of germany.
we don't like you, you don't like us but you sure love our money.
the bavarian dream is to be left alone and not having to give a shit.
#74 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
I'm guessing you know your history, right?
Germany made up out of smaller (and some bigger) kingdoms. Yep. Okay, good, no need to go there.

completely unrelated or semi-related:
1. how would you, as a Bavarian, feel about a change in government? like, say, a complete outsider taking the job as....chancellor
2. what would be your issues to put before parliament?
User avatar
#76 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
So? Culturally, linguistically and mentally we are much closer to Austria than Germany.
After WW2, there was talks of uniting Bavaria and Austria into a single country.
That is not just an asspull, there is a reason for that.
the region was historically settled by romanised celts (boiern) as opposed to the german tribes. Some influence by germans, celts and romans is what eventually accumulated into the Bavarian tribe.
Austria was only separated when Friedrich Barbarossa defeated Heinrich the Lion in 1180.
What followed was centuries of alternating between begrudging dependency and strife for independent power (which we got thanks to napoleon being a sucker). Finally in 1866, Bavaria and Austria were defeated in the Austro-Prussian War and Bavaria was absorbed into the German Empire while even still retaining some semblance of sovereignty.
Point being, that historically, Bavaria was always distinct from Germany, not "just another Kingdom" as you seem to be implying. We belong to Austria more than Germany, and a Austro-Bavarian nation after WW2 would have been better for all of us.
Ask any Bavarian if they feel more "German" or more "Bavarian" and in the majority of cases, the latter will be the answer.
#80 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
7 weeks until the Austrians gave up.

I have your word on that?
I travel to Germany, travel between cities, towns and villages in Bavaria and ask random people, and most of them would answer "yes" to "independence" or "Bavarian" if asked "which are you first, German or Bavarian?"

this is really interesting.
User avatar
#84 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
>>#82, As far as i know, a referendum like that is currently not really on the radar.
there is a party called "Bayernpartei" that wants independence, but it is very small.
We are not gonna go full separatist any time soon, but according to a survey conducted in 2011, 40% of bavarians wanted more independence, while 25% wanted to outright leave the BRD. Don't know how those figures would look nowadays.
#85 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
what's "more independence" even mean?

but 5 years ago 25% of Bavarians wanted to leave

again, interesting
User avatar
#81 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
fewer will say independence, but we identify as bavarians first and germans second.
we are kinda known for that.
#82 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
and beer. lederhosen. delicious sausage. Oktoberfest. strangely enough a wedding and the nobility decided to invite the commoners. how nice. and now it's a feast in September
apparently all of Germany is known for that.

the telegraph (UK) calls Bavaria Germany's Scotland.
how do people stand on independence or an independence referendum?
#62 - the flag next to my name might look Norwegian. that's beca…  [+] (16 replies) 11/13/2016 on THE NIGEL SMILE +1
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#64 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
>bayern
>preußen
hund und katz werden niemals freunde sein.
cats and dogs can't be friends.
#65 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
in case you missed it, Prussia no longer exists.
former Prussian territories within the German border do exist, though.
but the kingdom is no more. and neither is the Bavarian kingdom.

how about we stop talking about Bavarians and Prussians and focus on what we are?
GERMANS
we stood together once against everything, as Germans.
this has nothing to do with "being friends"
but with standing together for Germany
User avatar
#66 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
na. auf preißn kann i nur scheißn.
Bavaria + Austria + Tirol makes more sense than what we have now.
#67 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
are you even listening?
Preussen gibt's net mehr

and even if it were, what is your beef with Prussia or the north?
User avatar
#68 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
they are shit and we don't belong with them.
they don't like us. we don't like them. our language is different. our culture is different.
only reason we are even in this country, is because Bismarck bribed King Ludwig II into selling out.
#69 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
tell me, IF Bavaria would get its independence, how do you think things would be?
what does Bavaria have that the rest doesn't?
and what makes you think Bavaria can survive being an independent country?

not to mention that the maps would look a whole lot uglier
User avatar
#70 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
Better economy especially in the industrial and technology sector.
Better standards for education.
Nicer.
And we would ofc let Austria and Tirol join us to form an Alp-Republic.
And then we would just cease to give a shit until the end of time.
#71 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
1. not sure about that one
2. that might be true
3. true, but claiming "we have mountains and forests" doesn't work. the rest of the country does too.
4. what makes you think they'd join YOU?
5. you can't cease to give a shit until the end of time and not face the consequences. you'd be getting yourself into a lot of shit, actually.

how old are you? you remind me of myself a few years back.
I was completely and utterly FUCKING DELUSIONAL

YEAH, LET'S CREATE THE EMPIRE AGAIN, I GUESS THAT'D WORK OUT JUST FINE.
NO NEED TO GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING EVER AGAIN!

WELL GUESS. FUCKING. WHAT.
THE WORLD DOESN'T WORK LIKE THAT
User avatar
#72 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
Everyone knows it's not gonna happen.
doesn't mean we have to be happy about it.
The fact remains, that bavarians are different from the rest of germany.
we don't like you, you don't like us but you sure love our money.
the bavarian dream is to be left alone and not having to give a shit.
#74 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
I'm guessing you know your history, right?
Germany made up out of smaller (and some bigger) kingdoms. Yep. Okay, good, no need to go there.

completely unrelated or semi-related:
1. how would you, as a Bavarian, feel about a change in government? like, say, a complete outsider taking the job as....chancellor
2. what would be your issues to put before parliament?
User avatar
#76 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
So? Culturally, linguistically and mentally we are much closer to Austria than Germany.
After WW2, there was talks of uniting Bavaria and Austria into a single country.
That is not just an asspull, there is a reason for that.
the region was historically settled by romanised celts (boiern) as opposed to the german tribes. Some influence by germans, celts and romans is what eventually accumulated into the Bavarian tribe.
Austria was only separated when Friedrich Barbarossa defeated Heinrich the Lion in 1180.
What followed was centuries of alternating between begrudging dependency and strife for independent power (which we got thanks to napoleon being a sucker). Finally in 1866, Bavaria and Austria were defeated in the Austro-Prussian War and Bavaria was absorbed into the German Empire while even still retaining some semblance of sovereignty.
Point being, that historically, Bavaria was always distinct from Germany, not "just another Kingdom" as you seem to be implying. We belong to Austria more than Germany, and a Austro-Bavarian nation after WW2 would have been better for all of us.
Ask any Bavarian if they feel more "German" or more "Bavarian" and in the majority of cases, the latter will be the answer.
#80 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
7 weeks until the Austrians gave up.

I have your word on that?
I travel to Germany, travel between cities, towns and villages in Bavaria and ask random people, and most of them would answer "yes" to "independence" or "Bavarian" if asked "which are you first, German or Bavarian?"

this is really interesting.
User avatar
#84 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
>>#82, As far as i know, a referendum like that is currently not really on the radar.
there is a party called "Bayernpartei" that wants independence, but it is very small.
We are not gonna go full separatist any time soon, but according to a survey conducted in 2011, 40% of bavarians wanted more independence, while 25% wanted to outright leave the BRD. Don't know how those figures would look nowadays.
#85 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
what's "more independence" even mean?

but 5 years ago 25% of Bavarians wanted to leave

again, interesting
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#81 - scorcho (11/13/2016) [-]
fewer will say independence, but we identify as bavarians first and germans second.
we are kinda known for that.
#82 - trevanman (11/13/2016) [-]
and beer. lederhosen. delicious sausage. Oktoberfest. strangely enough a wedding and the nobility decided to invite the commoners. how nice. and now it's a feast in September
apparently all of Germany is known for that.

the telegraph (UK) calls Bavaria Germany's Scotland.
how do people stand on independence or an independence referendum?