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#248 - You're not following me at all. Is English your prima…  [+] (1 reply) 05/19/2016 on Hillary Snapchat 0
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#258 - jokervsbatsy (05/20/2016) [-]
Sorry man, I'm not a narive English speaker. Thanks for clearing it out.
#246 - I'm not afraid. Maybe I was unclear. My job …  [+] (6 replies) 05/19/2016 on Hillary Snapchat 0
#247 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
huh--- ... well then i really do have some trouble seeing what your issue is, to be honest...
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#249 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
There is no issue.
#250 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
now i am confused.... then why would you object so hard?
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#253 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
I'm in my 20s.
#252 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
get with the times gramps... they are changing
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#251 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
I object to paying for other people to go to college when I don't recieve the benefits of going to college.

I don't mind if they go to college, but they need to pay for it, not me.
#243 - Eh, they'll figure it out. Free economics are nice like that. …  [+] (9 replies) 05/19/2016 on Hillary Snapchat +1
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#245 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
Hardhat

i can only agree with you about the college students though... a bunch of severely spoiled brats (it would seem) i have seen some clips in youtube videos (Sargon of Akkad is a smart man) and what i have seen so far is absolutely depressing to watch... i myself am 25 so i am far beyond college and all that... but i prefer to live in an educated society.

Video just because it is somewht related to construction
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#244 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
you most likely wouldn't have to go to college if that is your fear... older people usually get alternative options (no offense, lol)
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#246 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
I'm not afraid.

Maybe I was unclear.

My job will exist until I want to retire. It's just the balance is shifting more towards engineers and less towards dedicated drafters. So technically more engineers (college grads) means more competition, but I'll still have a job so what do I care?

I was just saying that your thing about more college grads meaning less competition wasn't true for me.
#247 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
huh--- ... well then i really do have some trouble seeing what your issue is, to be honest...
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#249 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
There is no issue.
#250 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
now i am confused.... then why would you object so hard?
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#253 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
I'm in my 20s.
#252 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
get with the times gramps... they are changing
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#251 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
I object to paying for other people to go to college when I don't recieve the benefits of going to college.

I don't mind if they go to college, but they need to pay for it, not me.
#239 - They're not tourist workers. It's a very specific problem to m…  [+] (12 replies) 05/19/2016 on Hillary Snapchat 0
#240 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
yeah well, you kinda have to convince your boss of that... not me... not them.. not the government...

in fact, it sounds like you would only benefit from the system Bernie Sanders are proposing, because you'd be able to get on their level for free while working also, along with getting the student support cash... that is what people here do if they are middle-aged and want an education.. but of course now i am starting to get intricate and confusing because this is of course has some limits within the system itself (you won't be able to work full time and collect student support) but lets not talk about that right now.. because that is one shitfan of a ride.
#256 - anon (05/20/2016) [-]
mfw peasants in US puppet nations try to tell me how the US works
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#243 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
Eh, they'll figure it out. Free economics are nice like that.

For one, I don't want to go to college. I already make plenty of money and I like what I do. I'm not willing to trade my happiness for that extra 30% to my paycheck.

For two, it wouldn't be free, because I'd be paying for it with taxes, whether or not I used it. Which is why "free college" is a scam, which was my point from the start.

For three, if I ever changed my mind about higher education I could still get student loans, and they would be cheaper because there are tons of schools in the states that cater to middle aged working adults so you can translate your real world experience into class credits and basically get a degree but take a lot less classes.

The only reason the subject ever comes up in the first place is because college students with too much time on their hands like to very vocally complain about their problems because they're selfish and spoiled and think its unfair that they may make a bit less money for their first few working years than their peers without degrees because they have to pay their student loans back. The thing is, by the time they're in their 30s no one complains about the education system anymore because they realize how little it actually cost them.

TL;DR The system actually works really well, but people in their 20's like to whine
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#245 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
Hardhat

i can only agree with you about the college students though... a bunch of severely spoiled brats (it would seem) i have seen some clips in youtube videos (Sargon of Akkad is a smart man) and what i have seen so far is absolutely depressing to watch... i myself am 25 so i am far beyond college and all that... but i prefer to live in an educated society.

Video just because it is somewht related to construction
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#244 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
you most likely wouldn't have to go to college if that is your fear... older people usually get alternative options (no offense, lol)
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#246 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
I'm not afraid.

Maybe I was unclear.

My job will exist until I want to retire. It's just the balance is shifting more towards engineers and less towards dedicated drafters. So technically more engineers (college grads) means more competition, but I'll still have a job so what do I care?

I was just saying that your thing about more college grads meaning less competition wasn't true for me.
#247 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
huh--- ... well then i really do have some trouble seeing what your issue is, to be honest...
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#249 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
There is no issue.
#250 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
now i am confused.... then why would you object so hard?
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#253 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
I'm in my 20s.
#252 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
get with the times gramps... they are changing
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#251 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
I object to paying for other people to go to college when I don't recieve the benefits of going to college.

I don't mind if they go to college, but they need to pay for it, not me.
#237 - That's not how unions work. Besides it's not a real p…  [+] (14 replies) 05/19/2016 on Hillary Snapchat 0
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#238 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
that IS how unions are SUPPOSED to work... to care for the citizens interest, and not tourist-workers.. i don't know how they work in the US.. but it sounds like they are doing it wrong.
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#239 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
They're not tourist workers. It's a very specific problem to my industry. It's kind of complicated to explain, but basically their are people who can do my job and more, but they can't do my job as well as me. But because of the stuff they can do that I can't they come in and get paid more. They're not overpaid, because of the things they can do that I can't, but the quality of the work I do goes down because they're not as good at it as I am.

But my job won't disappear because I'm better at my job than they are, and cheaper on a per hour basis.
#240 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
yeah well, you kinda have to convince your boss of that... not me... not them.. not the government...

in fact, it sounds like you would only benefit from the system Bernie Sanders are proposing, because you'd be able to get on their level for free while working also, along with getting the student support cash... that is what people here do if they are middle-aged and want an education.. but of course now i am starting to get intricate and confusing because this is of course has some limits within the system itself (you won't be able to work full time and collect student support) but lets not talk about that right now.. because that is one shitfan of a ride.
#256 - anon (05/20/2016) [-]
mfw peasants in US puppet nations try to tell me how the US works
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#243 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
Eh, they'll figure it out. Free economics are nice like that.

For one, I don't want to go to college. I already make plenty of money and I like what I do. I'm not willing to trade my happiness for that extra 30% to my paycheck.

For two, it wouldn't be free, because I'd be paying for it with taxes, whether or not I used it. Which is why "free college" is a scam, which was my point from the start.

For three, if I ever changed my mind about higher education I could still get student loans, and they would be cheaper because there are tons of schools in the states that cater to middle aged working adults so you can translate your real world experience into class credits and basically get a degree but take a lot less classes.

The only reason the subject ever comes up in the first place is because college students with too much time on their hands like to very vocally complain about their problems because they're selfish and spoiled and think its unfair that they may make a bit less money for their first few working years than their peers without degrees because they have to pay their student loans back. The thing is, by the time they're in their 30s no one complains about the education system anymore because they realize how little it actually cost them.

TL;DR The system actually works really well, but people in their 20's like to whine
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#245 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
Hardhat

i can only agree with you about the college students though... a bunch of severely spoiled brats (it would seem) i have seen some clips in youtube videos (Sargon of Akkad is a smart man) and what i have seen so far is absolutely depressing to watch... i myself am 25 so i am far beyond college and all that... but i prefer to live in an educated society.

Video just because it is somewht related to construction
User avatar
#244 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
you most likely wouldn't have to go to college if that is your fear... older people usually get alternative options (no offense, lol)
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#246 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
I'm not afraid.

Maybe I was unclear.

My job will exist until I want to retire. It's just the balance is shifting more towards engineers and less towards dedicated drafters. So technically more engineers (college grads) means more competition, but I'll still have a job so what do I care?

I was just saying that your thing about more college grads meaning less competition wasn't true for me.
#247 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
huh--- ... well then i really do have some trouble seeing what your issue is, to be honest...
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#249 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
There is no issue.
#250 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
now i am confused.... then why would you object so hard?
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#253 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
I'm in my 20s.
#252 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
get with the times gramps... they are changing
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#251 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
I object to paying for other people to go to college when I don't recieve the benefits of going to college.

I don't mind if they go to college, but they need to pay for it, not me.
#234 - Because it can't, and that's why it isn't. But if we make the …  [+] (3 replies) 05/19/2016 on Hillary Snapchat 0
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#236 - jokervsbatsy (05/19/2016) [-]
Ok I just want to understand this part: I say the government should focus on education rather than military.
You say that by paying one doesn't mean we'll stop paying the other.
Then I wonder why won't the gov pay for both if it can, as you said.
Then you say that it actually can't.

It's not my reading ability, you need to word your arguements better perhaps.
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#248 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
You're not following me at all.

Is English your primary language?

I'm saying that if we pay for education it will cost more in taxes. What we're spending the rest of taxes on is completely irrelevant. If we spend $100 on education we need to charge $100 more in taxes, regardless of if we were spending $10 on taxes before or $10,000.

Taxes are a sum-0 game. You spend what you bring in, no more, no less.
Granted politicians love to cheat the system and build surpluses and/or deficits, but that doesn't mean we can suddenly just start spending like it doesn't count

So if we cut military spending, that doesn't suddenly open up money for education, it just means we would lower taxes. Now that might mean that our tax rate falls low enough that people don't mind if we start paying for welfare services such as "free' college, but that free college still costs money and still increases taxes.

You have to calculate it more like business expenses and less like a fixed income budget.
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#258 - jokervsbatsy (05/20/2016) [-]
Sorry man, I'm not a narive English speaker. Thanks for clearing it out.
#232 - There's lots wrong with what you just said, but I'll start wit…  [+] (16 replies) 05/19/2016 on Hillary Snapchat 0
#235 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
"For my job specifically more college grads actually means more competition because my fine and noble profession is being overrun by engineers who took a solidworks class in their sophomore year and think they know what they're doing. They come in, take our jobs, get paid more, and do a worse job just because hurr durr I know how to do dynamic equations and shit. Obviously they do a fine job, but the dedicated drafter really is and under appreciated profession and under siege "

Unions mate... Unions... they NEED to be there to prevent that sort of shit.. trust me, we had issues with polaks just 4 years ago in Scandinavia... they would come here and work for next to nothing (for a dane) and then return home to poor polandball a rich man and come back next winter... unions put a stop to that, and now polaks that aren't allowed to work here are getting punished if caught (which is not too often anymore)


"Beyond that, for the general populace its going to cost more in taxes than it will in diminished competition, since you don't really get that many more college grads when you make college "free", since most of them were already going to college and just getting student loans. "


Yeah, student loans that would drown them in dept for the rest of their lives... how awesome does that sound?
and no, your people would all pay their fair share of taxes, so literally nobody would be dead weight (except in situations with handicapped people and the elderly, and of course; children)... that's the whole idea behind this system.
and don't make me explain again how college (or whatever education) would NOT be "free" i've been over that already.

"I mean if they were really that smart they'd be able to do the math and realize they can make more money going to college on a loan than working at a brick factory. which is what they already do, I don't actually know any college grads whose parents paid for their education, but as hinted at above I work with a bunch of Engineers"

STUDENT
LOAN
DEBT

don't make me say it again.
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#237 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
That's not how unions work.

Besides it's not a real problem, just an evolving workforce. My job will still be around long enough for me to retire.

I don't know how expensive you think student loans are, but most of the people I work with have them paid off in around 2-3 years. Not exactly the rest of their lives.
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#238 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
that IS how unions are SUPPOSED to work... to care for the citizens interest, and not tourist-workers.. i don't know how they work in the US.. but it sounds like they are doing it wrong.
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#239 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
They're not tourist workers. It's a very specific problem to my industry. It's kind of complicated to explain, but basically their are people who can do my job and more, but they can't do my job as well as me. But because of the stuff they can do that I can't they come in and get paid more. They're not overpaid, because of the things they can do that I can't, but the quality of the work I do goes down because they're not as good at it as I am.

But my job won't disappear because I'm better at my job than they are, and cheaper on a per hour basis.
#240 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
yeah well, you kinda have to convince your boss of that... not me... not them.. not the government...

in fact, it sounds like you would only benefit from the system Bernie Sanders are proposing, because you'd be able to get on their level for free while working also, along with getting the student support cash... that is what people here do if they are middle-aged and want an education.. but of course now i am starting to get intricate and confusing because this is of course has some limits within the system itself (you won't be able to work full time and collect student support) but lets not talk about that right now.. because that is one shitfan of a ride.
#256 - anon (05/20/2016) [-]
mfw peasants in US puppet nations try to tell me how the US works
User avatar
#243 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
Eh, they'll figure it out. Free economics are nice like that.

For one, I don't want to go to college. I already make plenty of money and I like what I do. I'm not willing to trade my happiness for that extra 30% to my paycheck.

For two, it wouldn't be free, because I'd be paying for it with taxes, whether or not I used it. Which is why "free college" is a scam, which was my point from the start.

For three, if I ever changed my mind about higher education I could still get student loans, and they would be cheaper because there are tons of schools in the states that cater to middle aged working adults so you can translate your real world experience into class credits and basically get a degree but take a lot less classes.

The only reason the subject ever comes up in the first place is because college students with too much time on their hands like to very vocally complain about their problems because they're selfish and spoiled and think its unfair that they may make a bit less money for their first few working years than their peers without degrees because they have to pay their student loans back. The thing is, by the time they're in their 30s no one complains about the education system anymore because they realize how little it actually cost them.

TL;DR The system actually works really well, but people in their 20's like to whine
User avatar
#245 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
Hardhat

i can only agree with you about the college students though... a bunch of severely spoiled brats (it would seem) i have seen some clips in youtube videos (Sargon of Akkad is a smart man) and what i have seen so far is absolutely depressing to watch... i myself am 25 so i am far beyond college and all that... but i prefer to live in an educated society.

Video just because it is somewht related to construction
User avatar
#244 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
you most likely wouldn't have to go to college if that is your fear... older people usually get alternative options (no offense, lol)
User avatar
#246 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
I'm not afraid.

Maybe I was unclear.

My job will exist until I want to retire. It's just the balance is shifting more towards engineers and less towards dedicated drafters. So technically more engineers (college grads) means more competition, but I'll still have a job so what do I care?

I was just saying that your thing about more college grads meaning less competition wasn't true for me.
#247 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
huh--- ... well then i really do have some trouble seeing what your issue is, to be honest...
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#249 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
There is no issue.
#250 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
now i am confused.... then why would you object so hard?
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#253 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
I'm in my 20s.
#252 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
get with the times gramps... they are changing
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#251 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
I object to paying for other people to go to college when I don't recieve the benefits of going to college.

I don't mind if they go to college, but they need to pay for it, not me.
#230 - >If we pay for school we'll suddenly just stop paying for o…  [+] (5 replies) 05/19/2016 on Hillary Snapchat 0
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#231 - jokervsbatsy (05/19/2016) [-]
>If the state can pay both then why isn't it doing it?

>You admit it partly is.

>Overexaggeration. And they choose not to run for office because they'd actually give up power by doing so.

>Gr8 banter m8, you truly showed me.
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#234 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
Because it can't, and that's why it isn't. But if we make the government pay for more things, then taxes go up. Work on your reading comprehension bud.

Not really. If anything we're wasting money on welfare. People just undervalue the military because they take peace for granted, without realizing that the only reason no one tries to fight us is because they know they'd lose.

Actually it was a lie. Most politicians have either a business or a law degree, and plenty of them have decades of private sector experience. It just turns out that world politics are hard.

It's ironic though because that last carrot actually described your entire argument perfectly.
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#236 - jokervsbatsy (05/19/2016) [-]
Ok I just want to understand this part: I say the government should focus on education rather than military.
You say that by paying one doesn't mean we'll stop paying the other.
Then I wonder why won't the gov pay for both if it can, as you said.
Then you say that it actually can't.

It's not my reading ability, you need to word your arguements better perhaps.
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#248 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
You're not following me at all.

Is English your primary language?

I'm saying that if we pay for education it will cost more in taxes. What we're spending the rest of taxes on is completely irrelevant. If we spend $100 on education we need to charge $100 more in taxes, regardless of if we were spending $10 on taxes before or $10,000.

Taxes are a sum-0 game. You spend what you bring in, no more, no less.
Granted politicians love to cheat the system and build surpluses and/or deficits, but that doesn't mean we can suddenly just start spending like it doesn't count

So if we cut military spending, that doesn't suddenly open up money for education, it just means we would lower taxes. Now that might mean that our tax rate falls low enough that people don't mind if we start paying for welfare services such as "free' college, but that free college still costs money and still increases taxes.

You have to calculate it more like business expenses and less like a fixed income budget.
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#258 - jokervsbatsy (05/20/2016) [-]
Sorry man, I'm not a narive English speaker. Thanks for clearing it out.
#227 - I took drafting in highschool, I have the equivalent of an ass…  [+] (18 replies) 05/19/2016 on Hillary Snapchat 0
#229 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
Listen here for a second, because i am about to let you in on an untold secret...
if you are actually uneducated, incapable of taking an education, and is stranded at some kind of low-class job, it would be in your interest for young people to get a better education to lift the pressure of whatever degree-less job you have.. it would DIMINISH your job competition... so what are you so angry about?? do you think smart people want to work in brick factories?... No.
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#232 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
There's lots wrong with what you just said, but I'll start with the least relevant part.

For my job specifically more college grads actually means more competition because my fine and noble profession is being overrun by engineers who took a solidworks class in their sophomore year and think they know what they're doing. They come in, take our jobs, get paid more, and do a worse job just because hurr durr I know how to do dynamic equations and shit. Obviously they do a fine job, but the dedicated drafter really is and under appreciated profession and under siege

Beyond that, for the general populace its going to cost more in taxes than it will in diminished competition, since you don't really get that many more college grads when you make college "free", since most of them were already going to college and just getting student loans.

I mean if they were really that smart they'd be able to do the math and realize they can make more money going to college on a loan than working at a brick factory. which is what they already do, I don't actually know any college grads whose parents paid for their education, but as hinted at above I work with a bunch of Engineers
#235 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
"For my job specifically more college grads actually means more competition because my fine and noble profession is being overrun by engineers who took a solidworks class in their sophomore year and think they know what they're doing. They come in, take our jobs, get paid more, and do a worse job just because hurr durr I know how to do dynamic equations and shit. Obviously they do a fine job, but the dedicated drafter really is and under appreciated profession and under siege "

Unions mate... Unions... they NEED to be there to prevent that sort of shit.. trust me, we had issues with polaks just 4 years ago in Scandinavia... they would come here and work for next to nothing (for a dane) and then return home to poor polandball a rich man and come back next winter... unions put a stop to that, and now polaks that aren't allowed to work here are getting punished if caught (which is not too often anymore)


"Beyond that, for the general populace its going to cost more in taxes than it will in diminished competition, since you don't really get that many more college grads when you make college "free", since most of them were already going to college and just getting student loans. "


Yeah, student loans that would drown them in dept for the rest of their lives... how awesome does that sound?
and no, your people would all pay their fair share of taxes, so literally nobody would be dead weight (except in situations with handicapped people and the elderly, and of course; children)... that's the whole idea behind this system.
and don't make me explain again how college (or whatever education) would NOT be "free" i've been over that already.

"I mean if they were really that smart they'd be able to do the math and realize they can make more money going to college on a loan than working at a brick factory. which is what they already do, I don't actually know any college grads whose parents paid for their education, but as hinted at above I work with a bunch of Engineers"

STUDENT
LOAN
DEBT

don't make me say it again.
User avatar
#237 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
That's not how unions work.

Besides it's not a real problem, just an evolving workforce. My job will still be around long enough for me to retire.

I don't know how expensive you think student loans are, but most of the people I work with have them paid off in around 2-3 years. Not exactly the rest of their lives.
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#238 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
that IS how unions are SUPPOSED to work... to care for the citizens interest, and not tourist-workers.. i don't know how they work in the US.. but it sounds like they are doing it wrong.
User avatar
#239 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
They're not tourist workers. It's a very specific problem to my industry. It's kind of complicated to explain, but basically their are people who can do my job and more, but they can't do my job as well as me. But because of the stuff they can do that I can't they come in and get paid more. They're not overpaid, because of the things they can do that I can't, but the quality of the work I do goes down because they're not as good at it as I am.

But my job won't disappear because I'm better at my job than they are, and cheaper on a per hour basis.
#240 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
yeah well, you kinda have to convince your boss of that... not me... not them.. not the government...

in fact, it sounds like you would only benefit from the system Bernie Sanders are proposing, because you'd be able to get on their level for free while working also, along with getting the student support cash... that is what people here do if they are middle-aged and want an education.. but of course now i am starting to get intricate and confusing because this is of course has some limits within the system itself (you won't be able to work full time and collect student support) but lets not talk about that right now.. because that is one shitfan of a ride.
#256 - anon (05/20/2016) [-]
mfw peasants in US puppet nations try to tell me how the US works
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#243 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
Eh, they'll figure it out. Free economics are nice like that.

For one, I don't want to go to college. I already make plenty of money and I like what I do. I'm not willing to trade my happiness for that extra 30% to my paycheck.

For two, it wouldn't be free, because I'd be paying for it with taxes, whether or not I used it. Which is why "free college" is a scam, which was my point from the start.

For three, if I ever changed my mind about higher education I could still get student loans, and they would be cheaper because there are tons of schools in the states that cater to middle aged working adults so you can translate your real world experience into class credits and basically get a degree but take a lot less classes.

The only reason the subject ever comes up in the first place is because college students with too much time on their hands like to very vocally complain about their problems because they're selfish and spoiled and think its unfair that they may make a bit less money for their first few working years than their peers without degrees because they have to pay their student loans back. The thing is, by the time they're in their 30s no one complains about the education system anymore because they realize how little it actually cost them.

TL;DR The system actually works really well, but people in their 20's like to whine
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#245 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
Hardhat

i can only agree with you about the college students though... a bunch of severely spoiled brats (it would seem) i have seen some clips in youtube videos (Sargon of Akkad is a smart man) and what i have seen so far is absolutely depressing to watch... i myself am 25 so i am far beyond college and all that... but i prefer to live in an educated society.

Video just because it is somewht related to construction
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#244 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
you most likely wouldn't have to go to college if that is your fear... older people usually get alternative options (no offense, lol)
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#246 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
I'm not afraid.

Maybe I was unclear.

My job will exist until I want to retire. It's just the balance is shifting more towards engineers and less towards dedicated drafters. So technically more engineers (college grads) means more competition, but I'll still have a job so what do I care?

I was just saying that your thing about more college grads meaning less competition wasn't true for me.
#247 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
huh--- ... well then i really do have some trouble seeing what your issue is, to be honest...
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#249 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
There is no issue.
#250 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
now i am confused.... then why would you object so hard?
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#253 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
I'm in my 20s.
#252 - jaggsauce (05/19/2016) [-]
get with the times gramps... they are changing
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#251 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
I object to paying for other people to go to college when I don't recieve the benefits of going to college.

I don't mind if they go to college, but they need to pay for it, not me.
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#228 - jokervsbatsy (05/19/2016) [-]
There are tons of money wasted on military operations. People actually involved in the bussiness have stated that it is litterally more cost-efficient to just stomp Arabs with piles of dollar-bills than bombing them.

Taxes are one solution which, like you said, won't solve things in the long run. What USA truly needs is better management of its expenses.
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#230 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
>If we pay for school we'll suddenly just stop paying for other things
That's super fucking dumb

>Money spent on the military is wasted
That's debatable at best

>People actually involved in business all have world politics completely solved
But they choose not to run for office just because they'd be bored I guess

>Literally nonsense and then hurr durr we need to spend our money better
And I'm sure you're the definitive source on what we should and should not be spending our money on huh?
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#231 - jokervsbatsy (05/19/2016) [-]
>If the state can pay both then why isn't it doing it?

>You admit it partly is.

>Overexaggeration. And they choose not to run for office because they'd actually give up power by doing so.

>Gr8 banter m8, you truly showed me.
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#234 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
Because it can't, and that's why it isn't. But if we make the government pay for more things, then taxes go up. Work on your reading comprehension bud.

Not really. If anything we're wasting money on welfare. People just undervalue the military because they take peace for granted, without realizing that the only reason no one tries to fight us is because they know they'd lose.

Actually it was a lie. Most politicians have either a business or a law degree, and plenty of them have decades of private sector experience. It just turns out that world politics are hard.

It's ironic though because that last carrot actually described your entire argument perfectly.
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#236 - jokervsbatsy (05/19/2016) [-]
Ok I just want to understand this part: I say the government should focus on education rather than military.
You say that by paying one doesn't mean we'll stop paying the other.
Then I wonder why won't the gov pay for both if it can, as you said.
Then you say that it actually can't.

It's not my reading ability, you need to word your arguements better perhaps.
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#248 - traelos (05/19/2016) [-]
You're not following me at all.

Is English your primary language?

I'm saying that if we pay for education it will cost more in taxes. What we're spending the rest of taxes on is completely irrelevant. If we spend $100 on education we need to charge $100 more in taxes, regardless of if we were spending $10 on taxes before or $10,000.

Taxes are a sum-0 game. You spend what you bring in, no more, no less.
Granted politicians love to cheat the system and build surpluses and/or deficits, but that doesn't mean we can suddenly just start spending like it doesn't count

So if we cut military spending, that doesn't suddenly open up money for education, it just means we would lower taxes. Now that might mean that our tax rate falls low enough that people don't mind if we start paying for welfare services such as "free' college, but that free college still costs money and still increases taxes.

You have to calculate it more like business expenses and less like a fixed income budget.
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#258 - jokervsbatsy (05/20/2016) [-]
Sorry man, I'm not a narive English speaker. Thanks for clearing it out.