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#74 - discordwhooves (03/27/2014) [-]
It's all done within the company as well, with only one fan VO that I know of.
So, it's pretty damn good for being pretty much everyone involved's first attempt at something like this.
#108 - snowshark (03/27/2014) [-]
That's not an excuse. An artist doesn't make mistakes and then make excuses. An artist eliminates mistakes before they happen or at least doesn't allow them to get in the way of the piece, which the voices do.
It was forgivable in the Strangerhood or Red vs Blue because it was a bunch of guys without a budget operating out of their college dorm rooms, however even THEN they still delivered more natural dialogue than most of the characters in RWBY.
In fairness, that is the fault of the writing staff who write the series as though it were a dubbed anime, which is a freaking retarded problem to have because dubbed anime only sound forced because they're trying to translate a language that is wholly different in tone, pace, arrangement, detail, and context whilst keeping synched to the animation. But here it's 100% original dialogue and 100% original animation formed around the dialogue! It's not a justified mistake.
Then there's the humour! FFS they're trying to transfer the same comedic style of 2D drawn animation into 3D animated models (which is pretty much impossible given how the drawings will change form to emphasise the humour, something 3D models can't do anywhere near as easily) and then on top of that, they're trying to translate an eastern style of comedy that relies upon an eastern-style delivery of an eastern language into a western language! There's a reason why anime dubs, especially comedic ones, come across as disgustingly forced and they have NO excuse as to why this problem occurred within a 100% original western series!
I've not given up hope because the series is animated competently... for the most part. It's also FULL of creative visuals, as expected of Monty Oum. That alone won't be enough to save the series but I'd be lying if I said the first season of RvB still makes me laugh. It doesn't make me cringe and it has other values to it but it's not as good as their recent work. In time... who knows what RWBY may become.
#47 - angelious (03/27/2014) [-]
how about characters? lets get the mysterious character, the hyperactive chick with obsession to weapons the creepy chick who wants friends who everybody think is weak but was actually strong a snobby rich kid with sad past that relates to parents with money have no time for you a weak ass punk who through power of love friendship and willpower will become strong but will now be the living breathing joke machine.
OH and also here is
#48 - snowshark (03/27/2014) [-]
Honestly, Monty Oum is an animator, plain and simple. He makes some really badass fight scenes but he suffers from the same problem that the Star Wars prequels do... that being that the SFX vs Story battle.
See, in the original Star Wars trilogy the focus was on the story and the SFX were used to tell the story. However in the prequels the SFX were the focus and the story was used to extensively showcase SFX. The same is true here. The series is all about the visuals and not enough work was put into what goes behind the visuals. The humour is where the problem is at it's most blatant. Not only does anime humour rarely translate well to the english language due to it's high-energy delivery being designed for the Japanese dialect and the English one just not being able to catch up, but it's also conflicting with the style of animation which, just like the language problem, can't translate well into the language of CG.
The series is damned cool in places and Michael (Mogar) Jones as a Sun Wukong bow-staff/nunchaku/shotgun character is fucking magnificent and I really want to see more from the AH crew in RWBY and RvB (not starring roles, but here and there they make me smile).
*sigh* It bugs me how good it could have been.
#105 - snowshark (03/27/2014) [-]
The creativity in the series is really nice, but it really doesn't extend to the characters.
The Kind-Hearted Nitwit. The Ice-Queen With a Heart of Gold. The Mysterious One. The Action-Girl.
The Obvious Walking Story-Arc. The Stoic One. The Broody, Quiet, Oriental One. The Pinkie Pie... because that character is a straight copy of the MLP character just translated into a format that doesn't suit the comedy well at all whilst also not being terribly funny in the first place.
Honestly... this didn't need to be a school series. The problem with a school series is that everyone in the school goes there for the same reason. If the reason is that it's a regular school then you're fine but if it's a special school for badass fighting gun-magic users then suddenly they need to design a slew of characters who also got into the school... or they take the cheap way out by not even giving them fucking colours!
If the series had been very minimalist and restrained then it would have been a fuck-ton better. It doesn't need to be just the main characters but if the series was -meant- to feel somewhat isolated then you could justify the blacking out of the background characters because that adds an artistic level to it but that's not the case, it's just lazy. An artist operates within his means, he doesn't make excuses for his inadequacies!
The school angle is just... *sigh* Schools are the most over-used trope in this kind of series because they quickly and lazily put a load of unconnected characters in the same place whilst building a perfect environment for empathy from the audience and exposition from the story... they're just perfect narrative tools!
Except they're overused as fuck and a careless writer will make the school angle feel forced, lazy, and unnecessary... as is the case here. If it was just a private tutelage that would have cut out the background characters!
#104 - snowshark (03/27/2014) [-]
It's shit like that that makes me not mind RWBY. His fight scene is fucking awesome until obvious robot girl who is obviously a robot but somehow the tech-saviest character in the series can't tell she's a robot girl shows up, then shit just gets too silly for me.
I just hope we get to see more of the AH crew. I want to see Gavin in there because ffs everyone fucking loves Gavin. Also, here's a fun thought. When the Minecraft Let's Plays started the roster went like this:
Gavin - Loveable, slow-witted fool
Geoff - Boss
Michael - The Angry One
Ray - The one that's actually good at gaming.
Jack - Generic American Male
Ryan - Jack #2
And now it's:
Gavin - Loveable, slow-witted fool
Geoff - Lazy, evil jackass
Michael - Master Ass-kicker and part-time idiot
Ray - Stoner
Jack - Cheater
Ryan - HOLY MOTHER FUCKING EVIL SADISTIC MAD BAG OF SHIT AND DAGGERS!
Playing with friends builds character.
#120 - snowshark (03/27/2014) [-]
3) Translation issues.
Now this is a 100% original series both written in English and animated in the west. Only it takes on an eastern style. This alone isn't an issue as Aang and Korra can attest to. However the humour is a style of humour that comes from a 2D form of hand-drawn animation. Hand-drawn animation works with that form of humour because every frame can look different, so they can change the forms of the characters to emphasise the impact of the humour. The characters move freely, change size and shape, the whole world changes to suit the change in tone and honestly it all works out pretty well if the humour is actually good.
But that doesn't translate to the third dimension. The models can't change size or shape depending on the requirements of the humour. Take Shrek as an example. It is a 3D comedy that does comedy in the manner that a 3D movie should. It makes up for it's lack of bombast by replacing it with subtlety, realistic slapstick, and a generally natural vibe to the humour that doesn't seem forced. The tone never shifts wildly as we see happen in anime.
So the style of humour doesn't match the style of animation. That's an issue. But the style of humour ALSO doesn't match the language used. The typical form of anime humour works because the Japanese language is quick, loud, frantic, and bombastic! It is sharp, quick, cutting consonants and vowels that flow smoothly but hurriedly into one another. Because of that they get out a lot of information in a short period of time. It works with comedy too. However the English language isn't like that. It doesn't flow from one word to the other well at all. French does, but German doesn't and the English language has roots in both languages which leads to it having a very mixed flow. It makes for great, diverse poetry and use of language but restricts the kind of humour we can do. Loud, violent, bombastic, immediate humour in the Japanese style doesn't fit the language at all.
#118 - snowshark (03/27/2014) [-]
I'll list the problems with it for you because quality isn't the same as value.
1) School. It's a school series. That alone isn't enough to damn it but it is telling of the manner in which the writers conduct themselves. A school is a ridiculously perfect setting for a series. It gathers and groups characters based on a single, shared trait, allowing for disparate characters to be put in similar situations regardless of motivation. It places the characters out of the role of absolute responsibility and puts them in a safe environment. It allows them to be incomplete characters and provides them a platform to fill in the gaps in their learning as the series progresses. It's a situation most people will hold empathy towards. And it's a perfect platform for exposition.
In fact... it's -too- perfect. We've all seen school series a million times before and we'll see 'em a million times again. It's not like there -needs- to be a school, Digimon Adventure is a perfect example of that (though a summer-camp's not much better...) It's just a lazy, lazy tool of writing. However it alone isn't enough to make a series bad, because there are some damned good series made to the backdrops of schools. No... it needs to be in relation to how the school environment is utilised and THAT is where the real sin is committed here. See 2.
2) School tropes! Okay, so the conflicts of the first series focussed around misunderstandings, bullying, and racism. These are three incredibly common school tropes. But not bad things if used right. However here they're not used right. Take the bullying. Not only is the bully a walking stereotype, the victim is also a walking stereotype. The conflict and resolution have been seen before in 100 different ways and the series adds nothing new to the tropes.
Then there's the fact that the series can't accommodate for animating a school. They can't animate enough people to justify a school being as big as that school is so they cut corners lazily. (Cont.)
#112 - snowshark (03/27/2014) [-]
She's a bloody robot.
#113 - hierophant (03/27/2014) [-]
>The sword things
Seriously, this is one of your reasonings? Yang has shotgun gauntlets for christ-sake. It's a miracle her arms are ripped off her own body (that miracle would be the beauty of it being a story).
>Social skills of a teaspoon
Someone kept away from society for all their life would also have the social skills of a teaspoon.
>Being taken away by a limousine
She is possibly a VIP. A soldier in training, someone with power, etc. My initial thought when the swords came out of her backpack was "psionic powers". Proven wrong with the strings, but who knows?
#115 - snowshark (03/27/2014) [-]
Like, seriously. It's a hole in her back that has doors to it. Her clothes have glowing Tron-strips on them!
As for the social aspect, yes, that is true. But 'why' is she kept at arm's length from people? The most logical answer is because there is something about her that makes it a good idea to keep her away from other people. Now it might not be that she is a robot but given that she looks, talks, fights, and moves like a robot I'm going to assume that she is a robot.
She doesn't have a backpack on btw. Look, it is literally doors in her back that open up. And yes, she could have been all of those things and if it weren't for the whole door in her back thing I would have assumed she was an autistic kid since one of the stereotypes for autistic kids is having them conduct themselves in an alien, almost robotic fashion. Heck, I would really have liked it if that were the case but... there's a freaking door in her back.
#117 - snowshark (03/27/2014) [-]
Watch the episode again. She's not wearing a backpack.
And there's nothing wrong with her being a robot, but when the person who is sitting directly behind the robot and has a first-hand view of the swords flying out of the robot's back and also happens to be both a weapon's geek and have been palling around WITH the robot acting all robot-y for the past day and sees the robot fighting like a robot and then notices that the robot has mysteriously disappeared in complete contrast to her observable personality DOESN'T TWIG THAT THE PERSON IS ACTUALLY A ROBOT... things start to strain credulity.
It is not the content, it is how the content is handled which honestly it emblematic of pretty much ALL of the problems extant within the series.
#119 - hierophant (03/27/2014) [-]
Again, I don't see any problems with the series. I feel like you are just going way too overboard with your criticism and scrutiny. As far as I know, it's Monty's first animation. It's going to take awhile to get a handle on things. The voices are done by the people roosterteeth already has, most of which aren't professional voice actors. They are just using their own voices. The tropes/stereotypes are fun to see and they make it enjoyable to watch. It's not a professional animation company.
Don't bother watching it if all you are going to do is spend the entire time complaining about it. I'm not trying to insult you here or question your intelligence, just plain and simple: Don't watch it. They ARE going to use tropes. It helps develop things faster and gets things moving along and allows them some ground to build upon, instead of just building in mid-air. I enjoy the tropes, I recognize them, I think they are done in a humorous way. I like it, so I will continue to watch it. You obviously don't like it, so I suggest you stop watching it.
Anyways, I'm done here. I've said my piece. I'm gonna go jack off to porn now. See ya around.
#122 - snowshark (03/27/2014) [-]
I've never said I didn't enjoy the series. It's good fun and it's not unwatchable. However I'm not you. I can't just switch off my brain and stay blind to the faults in an artist's work. A BIIIIG part of the enjoyment I get out of something is picking it apart and analysing it. Reading between the lines, interpreting the metaphors, puzzling out the decisions made by the creative team.
For me, to understand a work is enjoyable and it gives me greater understanding of the people behind the work. It's why I have so many problems with the story of Halo 4, because it was WAAAAAY too easy for me to tear apart. The same is true for why I love Pixar movies, because they're SOOOO dense and there's SO much going on in them.
I don't expect everything I watch to be pixar though because that is ignorant of the value of diversity in the medium, but I do want the things I watch to have quality to them. RWBY has quality in it but it's not consistent throughout the work.
And yes, tropes push the plot forwards and allow the audience to connect with the characters but at the same time tropes are foundations upon which things can be built. E.G: In RvBs first season there are 9 characters. Each one has a definite personality that is evident from the first few sentences of their screen-time and there are a lot of tropes in that cast. However they all feel natural. Church fits Burnie like a glove, the same with Griff and Geoff. They weren't professional VAs, they just connected with the characters and that helped us connect with the characters in turn.
The RWBY cast were clearly getting into the groove by the end of the season and all that was failing them was the stunted nature of the writing which is why I have high hopes for the second season, but it doesn't change the fact that the series and their performances are riddled with flaws.
The flaws alone don't make it unpleasant to watch, but they need to be acknowledged by the development team so they can improve.
#121 - snowshark (03/27/2014) [-]
Monty's first animation was Haloid (or at least it's the first one he really poured his time and effort into.) From there he did Dead Fantasy and finally the animation for RvB. He has plenty of experience, hence why the action-scenes run so smoothly and the visual style is so unique to the series. His use of cell-shading and 3D models simultaneously can produce very memorable visuals like Ruby's red cloak in her teaser trailer.
But his talent for writing is nil, or at least the person who wrote the series has very little writing skill. It's something that will hopefully be developed but the series plays out like amateur fan-fiction. The characters speak and act in forced manners and the humour is painfully misplaced (with the "I'm the King of the Castle" shit being the crowning achievement of poorly-handled humour).
And the RvB team aren't professional VAs either. Heck, in their first season they sounded like a bunch of guys having fun making a comedy series with their college mates, which is what was happening. But because it was a comedy series and because they didn't have much in the way of resources it is forgivable. Monty had a lot of resources to work with and the truth is he just didn't give the girls the direction they needed. A good director can coax a good performance from a bad actor, so bad performances are as big a problem for the director as they are for the actor who gave them.
The tropes are fun to see if they're handled well and they're not handled very well at all for the most part. Ruby is pretty decent as is her sister but Blake and Weiss really leave a lot to be desired. Weiss improves nearing the end of the series though so there's that. And yes, RT are a professional animation company. RvB is sold on DvDs and is a large part of their revenue. Machinima counts as animation. The animation on the series isn't the problem (mostly), it's all the other things. (Cont.)
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