The voice was provided by sound editor David Acord

Ok, thanks. I feel he should get some credit too.

Darth Vader was a full lord of the Sith and he was the big bad for the first movie. He serves different narrative than Kylo.
Vader is the The Dragon. Scary, nay unstoppable right hand of the Dark Lord. Kylo is The Foil, Foil is here to dark mirror the hero. Foil is never as dangerous as The Dragon, they serve a different purpose.
And who says she taught herself? We don't know anything about her past, she could have had training in staff combat.

Ray was a scavenger on shitsville planet, how much more underdog do you want?

it is a sexism issue when you call the character a mary sue when there is no arguement behind it, or when its hipocritical when the other characters she is compared to are even more "perfect" or "Martin sue" (wtf the male term is) than her.

it shows just a resentment to the character and wanting to find a flaw purely because she is a woman, when its a perfect fit for the star wars universe

Garry Sue.

using dark side of force =/= sith

Luke never used hand to hand weapon in his life. And even so after only tiny bit of training he can deflect blaster bolts while blindfolded.
I'm a member of ARMA and I assure you there is a difference between people who never used a hand to hand weapon and people who are trained in one when they take up another.
She iis well trained with a use of staff, if she also lets Force guide her she would be about a half decent fighter with a sword. Against an opponent who is NOT able to focus on his anger, because he just killed his dad, who is shot and has to literally punch his wounds to get adrenaline rush to not pass out, who is weak from blood loss and just got his arm cut by another opponent, realistically she'd have a decent chance.
He seems to move more normally after Finn fight, but he really isn't. He was heavily weakened by then.

And Kylo is not THE enemy. He is a foil for main characters. Half trained sith to combat untrained jedi. More powerful and scary but not a BIG bad.
Snoke is the real big bad, and he hasn't even really tipped his hand yet. Snoke vs. Luke is what I'm looking forward to.

Darth Vader didn't lose the fight against Obi-Wan, he didn't even the first fight with Luke.
A staff and lightsaber are not the same thing and her being able to train herself to be so good with a staff that she cam beat two bandits could be seen as just another point of jer being too perfect, I gues.

Darth Vader was a full lord of the Sith and he was the big bad for the first movie. He serves different narrative than Kylo.
Vader is the The Dragon. Scary, nay unstoppable right hand of the Dark Lord. Kylo is The Foil, Foil is here to dark mirror the hero. Foil is never as dangerous as The Dragon, they serve a different purpose.
And who says she taught herself? We don't know anything about her past, she could have had training in staff combat.

tbh Rey has more melee training cos she fucks about with a staff her whole life, not 20 mins of being booped by a laser testicle.

I like Luke and I like Rey, but I don't see why people call her a Mary sue when its obviously not the case.

its comes from people who see any female or black or whatever character to be pandering to a certain audience. I thought it was a good film and the characters fun.

Actually the way she handled the staff in combat was classic Liechtenauer style and was extremely well executed. If you think that's subpar you obviously have absolutely no idea how staff combat works.
And second, while using staff is different than using the sword, anyone who has training in european martial arts will tell you that knowledge crosses over in many ways. Most important being stance and timing.
And your "valid" opinion is just same repeat of same stupidity.
Yeah Luke after few months of training (where he used a hand to hand weapon for the first time in his life) lost to one of the most powerful sith lords who ever lived, in a combat where Sith Lord chose time and place of the fight and was on top of his game.
While Rey, who had years of training in close combat fought a man who just killed his father, was shot, was bleeding and had to inflict pain on himself just to stop himself from passing out. And who had just got his sword arm cut as well on top of all of that.
You are calling her Mary Sue because you want to, not because she was portrayed as such.

your point?

did you sign out to say this?

because i was replying to some guys who were arguing the Mary sue case, which is a completely valid reason to bring sexism into it. dont be so airheaded

That wasn't me, but I don't see it as a sexism issue. People said the same shit about John McClaine in the newest movie. Heroes who are underdogs and inperfect are just more compelling.

Ray was a scavenger on shitsville planet, how much more underdog do you want?

it is a sexism issue when you call the character a mary sue when there is no arguement behind it, or when its hipocritical when the other characters she is compared to are even more "perfect" or "Martin sue" (wtf the male term is) than her.

it shows just a resentment to the character and wanting to find a flaw purely because she is a woman, when its a perfect fit for the star wars universe

Garry Sue.

The animated movies have a tendency to be much better than the live action. Not sure why, could be writing teams, could just be easier to show through animation, but things like The Dark Knight Returns and Flash Point Paradox were way better than man of steel/green lantern