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|#192 - I live in Scandinavia, Denmark to be precise. Sure, I pay 50% … [+] (101 new replies)||05/22/2012 on socialism sucks||+447|
#1505 - Ruspanic (05/23/2012) [-]
The problem with socialism is that when people receive services for "free" they begin to feel entitled to those services. Therefore it's very hard to go back. What happens when the government can no longer afford to pay for your education?
Worse yet, what happens if the government goes bad? Consider how much power it'll have over the people, who now rely on it for so many things.
If you're ok with the government having a monopoly on such essential services as education or healthcare, then you'd better have unwavering faith in your government.
At least in capitalism you can be sure that anything in demand will be provided (though not always at an affordable price). Nearly always it will be provided by a variety of independent sources, which compete with each other. Capitalism runs on self-interest, a force that will always exist in any society. With some government regulation it can be quite a good system.
The other thing you should consider is that people do have property rights. They own their money and should in theory be able to choose how to spend it. We generally make an exception when it comes to taxes - mainly for practical purposes. But the more money you take from people to redistribute in the form of government services, the less freedom you allow them to use their money as they wish. When the government takes and spends tax money, it's basically asserting that a) you don't have a right to your money, b) others have a right to your money, and/or c) the government knows better than you do what to do with your money. Luckily our governments derive power from the will and consent of the governed, but even so it means that the majority that dictates public policy can control how others spend their money.
#1503 - N. Korean citizen (05/23/2012) [-]
There is a lot of manifestations going on in here in Québec (Canada). Students are outsides of classes fighting a raise of 85% in the education fees. According to many, countries from Scandinavia are examples for us. Our situation is better than USA but it could be better and I wish the world will show a bit of support for our students because they are having a really big fight against capitalism.
#1374 - joemand (05/23/2012) [-]
I find it to be a shame that you don't even know what your own country is facing right now, all the while I do. What's more shameful is the amount of people that have thumbed you up.
With this being said, do not try to make judgments on another country when you can't even understand your own. What "greediness" are you possibly referring to? At that, do you not understand the amount of executive orders which Obama has passed? Do you not understand that he has risen our debt 4.6 trillion in his first 3 years, which is more than Bush could do in his entire 8 years? All of which has been used on catastrophic failures such as the billions given to Green energy companies which were already going bankrupt.
Nothing in this world is free. Everything must be paid for eventually, or it will catch up to you and make your life miserable.
P.S. I still can't believe how ignorant you are to economics.
#1048 - Krystoking (05/22/2012) [-]
The problem we have with socialism here (Canada) is that the public sector is ruining the economy in many ways. For example;
where I live, a public transit coin collector (this job does not even require a high school diploma) gets paid more than double what a private sector engineer would be paid. Public sector workers also don't really care about their work, since their jobs and income is guaranteed. They also don't pay taxes. The service in our public hospitals is also terrible. I don't know how it is over there, but here we have a lot of lazy shits. There's also thousands of people that sit on welfare and live off of it, not even bothering themselves with finding a job. Why? Because they can.
A more expanded private sector gives people more incentive to work, improves quality of product and service (since there is competition) and reduces the amount of money that the government uses.
#1045 - USAFflyboy (05/22/2012) [-]
Scandinavian governments are famous for their lack of corruption. The sprawling, wasteful mass that is known as the US government can't be trusted with money. If we could slim down our government so it stops spending so much on pointless shit and make it more fiscally responsible, then I would definitely support govt. programs like these. But the bills would come out of congress looking like a frog out of a barrel of nuclear waste
#1014 - moggycore (05/22/2012) [-]
Well, I live in Norway, and I know some facts here. Denmark(and Sweden) isn't really that socialistic anymore, Norway is the only remaining fully socialistic Scandinavian country, and let me tell you this, it isn't really that good.1. I can't become a doctor for free if I want to, I need to take up a big loan(studentloan) which takes a lot of years to pay down. I do get SU, which is good. I could go to the dentist as much as I wanted until I turned 18, now it costs a fortune. I can't go to the doctor as much as I want, because it costs incredibly much, they don't really give you all the medicine you need. Our oldhomes(the place where we store the oldfags) is in terrible condition, it's a complete disgrace. Our roads are crap for the most part, they're just good around the capital. I don't mind paying taxes, but not as much as we do, because too much of it goes to the government workers, something that's bad considering that we have too many of them compared to what's needed. I don't think we should either have a socialistic or convservative government, I think we need to have something in between
#1511 - drdres (05/23/2012) [-]
Seeing a doctor for an appointment costs about 20$ in Sweden, a dentist check is about 50-100$ depending on the doctor. But you won't get a bill if you have an accident or have baby. The student loan is there if you can't live at home or can't afford the books needed, the courses are free and we get paid to take them (300$). Of course the government can't pay for your residence, if you want to study and not take a loan there are two choices. 1. You live at home. 2. You get a job.
#694 - thecamwin (05/22/2012) [-]
I couldn't agree with you more. Some people need to be less biased and actually just think about political situations. It doesn't help that influences like Fox News force people into going against anything thats not Republican. Even if you don't like Obama, you should try to understand his goals before resorting to people like Mitt Romney. He's honestly the only presidential candidate who knows what he's doing, without Obama, the public would have been left with another George Bush.
#738 - profarnsworth (05/22/2012) [-]
It is corrupt and we can't really do anything about it. There are no politicians today who fight for the people. The original commenter was talking about how paying higher taxes is good and what not. Its fine and all until your government becomes a major world power and starts making more and more taxes without giving the money back to you. When your country has as many projects and interests as the United States that money you payed into taxes does not come back to you in any way shape or form. Obama has tried to alleviate the national debt but what he has done is only caused more problems for future generations. People want solutions now, and Obama tried to give them one but solutions take time and thats what Americans don't understand. The real problem with America is that people have become to lazy. We used to have a drive about us, people wanted the "American Dream". We were a hard working, blue collar country with people who took it upon themselves to make their lives better. Now we are a white collar country, who are lazy, and complain about things being so terrible and how someone should help us.
I got way off topic but my point is this. You can pay as much taxes as you want, but if that tax money is not being used for what you want then you will never be happy. For the US we have so many things to pay that the tax payers will never see that money affect them directly. However with all the projects we have in the long run we will benefit from paying taxes. Americans just want immediate gratification, which we will never have.
#977 - N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
Johanne is not insane??
#974 - N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
Yeah, right. Because equality is insane?
Let's make a few rich people and a get economical raise, and the poor can just die
#471 - asgerfh (05/22/2012) [-]
I certainly hope you realize that... I is my personal believe that everyone deserves universal healthcare, because it truly is great. Though I have to say that the reason I think it is possibly to have a working universal healthcare system in the Nordic has to with the fact that we have 'good faith' in our fellow countrymen, due to the fact people are very alike since we don't have such a big country. Neither do we live that many people in the different countries in the north... Due to this, we have to stand united. Unlike the United States of America, we do not find it hard to give away money to our countrymen, since we know they are us very alike, and that the money will come back to us,- in one way or another. Also do we not have 'that' separated ethnic groups...
That is my belief, at least ;-)
#426 - N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
we have the same system in germany. fucking awesome to live here.
#397 - N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
#295 - xuviuz (05/22/2012) [-]
The only thng i can see that is wrong with our system is the ones that just sit on there asses and doesn't have a job, and still get money from the state year after year.
And if you dont belive that this happens i can tell you it does, my mom works with this and she got a client that have been on Kontanthjælp (kan ikke huske det engelske ord) for over 20 years.
#1101 - N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
Yes, that is true, but when you get 4000 NOK (norwegian kroner) per month you can't afford nearly as much as you could with a job.
The average norwegian makes between 400000 and 450000 NOK per year. that make about 35000 a month, and then you would have to pay tops 45% in taxes. that will leave you with almost 16000, and in a country as expensive as Norway you 'll need most of that money for food and bills. You can't do shit with 4000 a month.
The biggest problem is that people get "sick", because they will for a period still be payed.
#280 - N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
It's a nice observation from the rest of the world looking in, thinking Obama is just prancing around America solving all of our problems and all he needs is "more time". While Bush HELPED get us into this shithole, Obama's not helping get us out. He's already spent more than Bush did in his eight years. He had Congress under his control for the first two years and if he honestly had any good ideas, he could have passed them.
My family earns their money. Combined we make over $150,000 a year after taxes but that is also after working 60 hour weeks, cross-training, and doing extra work for more than one person. We don't get to benefit form any of those social programs because even if we applied, we wouldn't qualify. We also don't have the opportunity to take a "vacation" and hardly take sick leave". There's some who say I'm just a 1%er out for himself and greedy because I'm mad Obama wants me to pay for things I don't agree with. What do I know though? I'm just an 18 year old American who's probably a bugger with a stick up his ass.
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#236 - N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
We have the exact same tax system as you Danes. i pay 48% of my income in taxes.
and you know what USA? most of us have a good life, good educations, stable jobs, stable loan and economy, free health care, the lowest unemployment rate in Europe. and don't you come here and say its the oil that have made us this way. Norway is a rich country, buy the people and just as rich as you. We haven't seen a red dime of that oil income. its all put away on a account and saved to pay for pensions, roads, and other stuff. we the people don't enjoy the goods of the money until we turn 65.
all of Norway is payed for by tax money, (most of it at least). we have the highest gas prices in Europe and possibly the world even though we make the shit! but you know what, we still live a good life, because we're not raised to be capitalistic in all our way of thinking.
imo Republicans should be ashamed for being so afraid of a more socialistic politic. The republican way of thinking as fucked really, they fear everything that is free and call it communistic and super Red. even your Democrats is still way more Blue than our countries Bluest party. and Norway is still not communists. neither is Denmark or Sweden.
Having a hints of a socialistic approach in your politics does not make you Russian.
The republican politic remind me of the cowboy era, every man for himself, with no help from no one.
Times change, you can't only think of your self. the choices taken in the USA actually affect all of the world. and if this is the case it means that if all of the US is greedy and have a capitalistic way of thinking, it would crack your economy... just like it did back in 2008.
i personally think that a even more socialistic politic would stabilize the poor economy that the US are experiencing today
not trying to offend anyone, but please see what I'm trying to say before thumbing me down. some new blood in your senate wouldn't hurt.
#1357 - N. Korean citizen (05/23/2012) [-]
I DON'T SEE YOUR FLAG ON THE MOON
#1317 - bemysenorita (05/22/2012) [-]
that's all fine and dandy, but I can make a good life on my own, and I take pride in being able to support myself. I shouldn't be forced to spend my hard earned cash on healthcare for other people or other people's medical bills. If Norway wants to be socialist, God bless them, but we should not bring it here. btw the United States has been getting more and more socialist since the new deal. Not all socialism is bad, but I want to be able to spend my money on what I want, not what the government says.
#1414 - N. Korean citizen (05/23/2012) [-]
Thank you, people who actually work and contribute to society should reap benefits.
Not the unemployed assholes who expect to stay afloat when they don't do anything.
#1131 - fluidkarma (05/22/2012) [-]
As an American, I pretty much agree with everything you just said. Your country really seems to know what its doing and how to actually support its own people. It must feel good to know that your success will be someone else's benefit. Thanks for throwing your viking helmet into the ring, jakols.
#212 - klutzyspy (05/22/2012) [-]
Den lave forskel mellem at være på overførselsindkomst, Arbejderklasse og akademiker-klassen gør at når folk er færdig med at uddanne sig smutter de fra DK for at faktisk kunen tjene penge på at have uddannet sig i alle de år.
Jeg har ikke kilden men jeg ved der er gjort udregninger der viser, at hvis man stopper efter 9 og arbejder, kan det svare sig i mange år at tjene de penge imens folk sidder 3 år i gymnasiet og så 5-10 år på uni.
#732 - madsmj (05/22/2012) [-]
I think you have got a valid point, but telling someone to go kill themselves and calling them a shithead is not a very good way to argue.
If you want to make a good point at least use some valid arguments and proper language instead of that, then people might listen to you instead of thumbing you down.
#673 - N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
Og hvis du er formand for "the liberal party" (liberal alliance eller hvad?) er det så ikke lidt stupidt at sidde og skrive sådan der. Alle kan jo finde ud af hvem du er så, hvis du altså er formand for liberal alliance ungdom. Rasmus Brygger?
#1514 - N. Korean citizen (05/23/2012) [-]
Det er jeg glad for at du siger!
Men du burde stadigvæk, som aktiv politiker, holde en sober tone.
#202 - N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
Se nu, dén tone kan vi jo ikke bruge til noget, vel?
#203 - ludvig (05/22/2012) [-]
Jeg er bare blevet så træt af socialister, jeg arbejder konstant for at kunne betale husleje, det har jeg gjort siden jeg var 17, og jeg må stadig kun få en SU sats på 1250 fordi mine forældre bor for tæt på min skole.. Jeg får ikke noget ekstra af mine forældre.. Jeg er blevet nød til at melde SU fra fordi jeg arbejdede for meget ved siden af gymnasiet, og så kan sådan et skod ikke engang selv arbejde for sine penge.. Men dem skal jeg betale..
Jeg har klaret HHX med fine karaktere og arbejdet 20 timer om ugen ved siden af. Så kan andre sku også .
#686 - melioracogito (05/22/2012) [-]
Det eneste der er surt ved, at socialisterne har magten er, at SU'en er bestemt af ens forældres indkomst. Jeg bliver 19 om to år, og det betyder, at jeg til den tid er færdig med gymnasiet og skal på universitetet i Århus, dermed flytter jeg hjemmefra, men ender allligevel med mindste SU for udeboende, da min far tjener langt over maksimum. Men det betyder sgu da ikke, at min far sender mig penge hver måned til den tid, så jeg kan overleve, altså regner staten med, at vi alle sammen er forkælede møgunger, der stadigvæk for lommepenge, når vi er 19? Det irriterer mig, og så det, at jeg ikke må ryge på gymnasiet efter oktober. Men det går vist ind under first world problems. Ellers er socialismen fantastisk, og du har ingen grund til at gå sådan amok over den.
And sorry for not translating this rant into English, I'm just too much of a lazy fuck.
#537 - N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
du har en poäng, men överdriver rejält. +sidorna är bättre än de negativa
#480 - N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
Se på USA, ingen tjener mere end vi gør i Danmark blandt "almindelige" mennesker, fordi at når skatten falder så følger lønnen efter, man kigger på b-indkomst når man forhandler løn og skat. Dine teorier bygger ikke på andet, end jeres liberale sludder, om at det er synd for folk der arbejder hårdt, og I tager slet ikke stilling til folk der har det dårligt og ikke syder med dagpenge eller kontanthjælp eller efterløn. Som der også blev nævnt af en svensker længere oppe kom vi i norden bedst gennem finanskrisen, så velfærd holder!
FUCKING DEAL WITH IT!
#265 - ruinsage (05/22/2012) [-]
hvis du tager en universel uddannelse hvor du arbejder 20 timer om ugen kan du tillade dig at brokke dig. Indtil da skal du lukke røven, en gymnasiel uddannelse er ingenting, og hvis du har så svært ved at forsørge dig selv kunne du lade være med at flytte hjemmefra.
and now in english, as im not a complete faggot
If you complete a college education while working 20 hours a week you are allowed to complain. Until then, shut up, a high-school education is nothing, and if supporting yourself is that hard, you shouldn't have moved away from home
#196 - N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
SHHHHHH dont let people know that
#195 - whitenerdy (05/22/2012) [-]
i love how people (Americans) think less of the northic socialism.
lets take Denmarks socialistic parti. As and example compered to a more capitalistic
good/improving economy 1993 - 2001 socialistic party.
gets Anders Fogh Rasmussen. Leader of a more Capitalistic party "venstre" as Minister 2001
Shits goes down the drain. Denmark becomes Greece.
#1524 - whitenerdy (05/23/2012) [-]
hmmm, vote for a guy who first off all stole the position as Denmark spokesman for the Cop15 and there after fell asleep. Or the woman who got extra money from taxes and coulden't return them before a few months after. And for some magical reason the case pops forward right before the vote like she's guilty of anything. Maybe she have a bad public veiw, but that dossen't change the fact that Lars Sucks ass.
- i rest my case
#1551 - whitenerdy (05/24/2012) [-]
my point is, let the adults do the talking. K?
#1550 - N. Korean citizen (05/24/2012) [-]
Let alone pretend you're an american funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/3594689/Lawyered/432#432
#478 - N. Korean citizen (05/22/2012) [-]
Ever since Denmark decided to vote for Helle Thorning, shit has gone down the drain.
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