sorry, this guy gets credit...

Very well, but NO they would not have found jobs. Its not that easy, when you are used to a 40,000$ a year salary and now you maybe have food service as an option for work its not exactly going to cover your expenses/debt. Kids college money/ any school in general. Car payments, house payments, health insurance, taxes, food, clothing, heat, electricity, water, cell-phone. No no no no especially ESPECIALLY when that car plant or office building runs your economy.

First off the auto industry bail out was NOT BS, if GM, Ford, and Chrysler all went bankrupt and laid off even MORE workers than they already had if they shut down plants that provided the economy for many towns and even cities in the U.S. the recession would have been prolonged and incredibly worsened.

You are right, school type testing and learning does not work for everyone. No need to call me a faggot but you wouldn't be typing this if you weren't taught how to spell and form basic sentences in some form of schooling. Yes learning on your own is good, and believe it or not schools encourage it. They call it studying, and its proven to help out your grades. Now i didn't have the best GPA in High school, and i didn't really seem to care very much about school in general but i did not blame the "system" or my school for it i knew that i wasn't trying. After joining the military at 18 i got to experience things that really changed my perspective in life, it blows my mind that people think school is hard. High school was most likely one of the easiest things i have ever done and so far college isn't much worse. Sure there were things that i actually struggled in but i never asked for help or really applied my self like your friend did so who am i to say that the system is flawed when it is my fault i cant pass a class.

Most people will take the easy way out and blame others for their downfalls, even if their goals are completely attainable. They would rather lie down and stop giving a shit when things got hard and say that their teacher sucks, instead of blaming themselves.

I never called you a faggot, I was imitating the schools reaction to someone that doesn't learn the way a school teaches.

And yes the auto industry was indeed bullshit. They should have just let the businesses fail and not used stolen money to bail them out. Most of those workers would have found jobs pretty damn quickly thanks to capitalism. I'll explain why when I'm done fapping.

Very well, but NO they would not have found jobs. Its not that easy, when you are used to a 40,000$ a year salary and now you maybe have food service as an option for work its not exactly going to cover your expenses/debt. Kids college money/ any school in general. Car payments, house payments, health insurance, taxes, food, clothing, heat, electricity, water, cell-phone. No no no no especially ESPECIALLY when that car plant or office building runs your economy.

Bailing out the auto industry was a load of bullshit. Realistically in school you aren't taught very many useful skills. I learned all of my skills on my own in my free time because my school can't teach them to me, and I went to one of the best in the nation.

It's a well known fact that if you hit back, you will be found just as guilty, and in basically every school as well.

You're right, reasoning and repeating is good memory. But that's not what the schools teach. I had to learn none of those skills to pass any of my classes except a little bit in my computer science course, and most schools don't even have that to begin with.

Showing basic competency in those subjects usually doesn't come from school. If you're bad at math or reading, then you just didn't learn it right, and any one school only teaches things one way. If that's not how you learn, then tough shit faggot. My friend, a really good artist, almost didn't pass high school because he sucked at math. He asked me to tutor him (because for some reason he thinks I am the smartest person in his circle of friends even though I am clearly not), and I tried just shoving the math at him, that didn't work. I took some time to present it in a variety of ways until finally one method stuck with him. I taught him how to do a bunch of different things, and he makes solid B's in math courses in college. people learn differently and schools can't help everyone.

First off the auto industry bail out was NOT BS, if GM, Ford, and Chrysler all went bankrupt and laid off even MORE workers than they already had if they shut down plants that provided the economy for many towns and even cities in the U.S. the recession would have been prolonged and incredibly worsened.

You are right, school type testing and learning does not work for everyone. No need to call me a faggot but you wouldn't be typing this if you weren't taught how to spell and form basic sentences in some form of schooling. Yes learning on your own is good, and believe it or not schools encourage it. They call it studying, and its proven to help out your grades. Now i didn't have the best GPA in High school, and i didn't really seem to care very much about school in general but i did not blame the "system" or my school for it i knew that i wasn't trying. After joining the military at 18 i got to experience things that really changed my perspective in life, it blows my mind that people think school is hard. High school was most likely one of the easiest things i have ever done and so far college isn't much worse. Sure there were things that i actually struggled in but i never asked for help or really applied my self like your friend did so who am i to say that the system is flawed when it is my fault i cant pass a class.

Most people will take the easy way out and blame others for their downfalls, even if their goals are completely attainable. They would rather lie down and stop giving a shit when things got hard and say that their teacher sucks, instead of blaming themselves.

I never called you a faggot, I was imitating the schools reaction to someone that doesn't learn the way a school teaches.

And yes the auto industry was indeed bullshit. They should have just let the businesses fail and not used stolen money to bail them out. Most of those workers would have found jobs pretty damn quickly thanks to capitalism. I'll explain why when I'm done fapping.

Very well, but NO they would not have found jobs. Its not that easy, when you are used to a 40,000$ a year salary and now you maybe have food service as an option for work its not exactly going to cover your expenses/debt. Kids college money/ any school in general. Car payments, house payments, health insurance, taxes, food, clothing, heat, electricity, water, cell-phone. No no no no especially ESPECIALLY when that car plant or office building runs your economy.

It sounds good but but but but, why the hell go through all that trouble when the people receiving the money in the end of your plan are in charge of their own bonuses anyway. That a hell of a lot of work to do, for something that can be achieved much easier.

Because if they just up and did it without propagandizing it as patriotism, then enough people would be upset over it to try and stop them. They turn us all into good little passive livestock via indoctrination centers, aka public school. I mean, think about it. What are you taught in school?

-Authority should not be questioned
-Don't stick up for yourself, get someone in authority to do it
-Conformity is how to get ahead
-Memorizing and repeating is intelligence
-Without the states approval, you can't get anywhere in life

Bailing out the auto industry was a load of bullshit. Realistically in school you aren't taught very many useful skills. I learned all of my skills on my own in my free time because my school can't teach them to me, and I went to one of the best in the nation.

It's a well known fact that if you hit back, you will be found just as guilty, and in basically every school as well.

You're right, reasoning and repeating is good memory. But that's not what the schools teach. I had to learn none of those skills to pass any of my classes except a little bit in my computer science course, and most schools don't even have that to begin with.

Showing basic competency in those subjects usually doesn't come from school. If you're bad at math or reading, then you just didn't learn it right, and any one school only teaches things one way. If that's not how you learn, then tough shit faggot. My friend, a really good artist, almost didn't pass high school because he sucked at math. He asked me to tutor him (because for some reason he thinks I am the smartest person in his circle of friends even though I am clearly not), and I tried just shoving the math at him, that didn't work. I took some time to present it in a variety of ways until finally one method stuck with him. I taught him how to do a bunch of different things, and he makes solid B's in math courses in college. people learn differently and schools can't help everyone.

First off the auto industry bail out was NOT BS, if GM, Ford, and Chrysler all went bankrupt and laid off even MORE workers than they already had if they shut down plants that provided the economy for many towns and even cities in the U.S. the recession would have been prolonged and incredibly worsened.

You are right, school type testing and learning does not work for everyone. No need to call me a faggot but you wouldn't be typing this if you weren't taught how to spell and form basic sentences in some form of schooling. Yes learning on your own is good, and believe it or not schools encourage it. They call it studying, and its proven to help out your grades. Now i didn't have the best GPA in High school, and i didn't really seem to care very much about school in general but i did not blame the "system" or my school for it i knew that i wasn't trying. After joining the military at 18 i got to experience things that really changed my perspective in life, it blows my mind that people think school is hard. High school was most likely one of the easiest things i have ever done and so far college isn't much worse. Sure there were things that i actually struggled in but i never asked for help or really applied my self like your friend did so who am i to say that the system is flawed when it is my fault i cant pass a class.

Most people will take the easy way out and blame others for their downfalls, even if their goals are completely attainable. They would rather lie down and stop giving a shit when things got hard and say that their teacher sucks, instead of blaming themselves.

I never called you a faggot, I was imitating the schools reaction to someone that doesn't learn the way a school teaches.

And yes the auto industry was indeed bullshit. They should have just let the businesses fail and not used stolen money to bail them out. Most of those workers would have found jobs pretty damn quickly thanks to capitalism. I'll explain why when I'm done fapping.

Very well, but NO they would not have found jobs. Its not that easy, when you are used to a 40,000$ a year salary and now you maybe have food service as an option for work its not exactly going to cover your expenses/debt. Kids college money/ any school in general. Car payments, house payments, health insurance, taxes, food, clothing, heat, electricity, water, cell-phone. No no no no especially ESPECIALLY when that car plant or office building runs your economy.

Well if you want to think of it that way is fine, but like all Libertarians, don't just assume that you opinion is the absolute correct answer to everything, I've been around enough both on the internet and real life to start noticing patterns in the way Libertarians go about discussing politics and there ideals. I personally think that the government is a tool made to serve the people, to both provide for natural given rights that should be held above just leaving it to a capitalist system. It also is a government and therefore is not and should not be run as a business trying to save money. But what am I, some dirty Socialist, secular extremist Liberal with a Muslim agenda.

You are absolutely right. Government is a tool created for the purpose of serving the people. But FUCK THAT, TAX INCREASES, SPYING PROGRAMS AND STARTING WARS NO ONE WANTS LOL.

Do you know why the tiny government from the early 19th century turned into the massive bloated pig-shit-run system we have today? Because it ALWAYS turns out that way. When you have a tiny government, the market is allowed to roam free and wealth runs rampant among all the 'classes' of people. Then of course the government uses that wealth as collateral in order to increase its own size. The tiniest governments will ALWAYS flourish into the leviathans we have today.

Furthermore, your assessment on Libertarianism is off. I don't think my opinion is the cure-all to every problem. The point of Libertarianism is 'I don't know what is best for you'. The flip side of that is 'you don't know what is best for me', and therefore you cannot dictate my life through any means, including a government. As long as I am not harming any person or their property, I ought to be free to do as I will.

As to what you said about the business thing, a government is the exact opposite of a business. A business is subject to the will of the market, ie the people. If the people do not want your product, then it is up to you to market something people want and will want to buy. If you're a government and people don't want to give you their money, you send armed thugs with guns and costumes to their house and say 'give me my cut or my boys lock you in a cage'. If you're a government and someone figures out you've done wrong, throw them in jail and/or pursue them so you can put them in jail. If you're a business and people find out you've done wrong, you have to change your ways or nobody buys your shit anymore. Even if you change and apologize, there's a chance you'll go out of business anyway.

You're right, the government isn't a business. It's a farmer. And we're the livestock.

Whoa, calm your tits man, I thought this was a discussion on e serious topic, not some angry trolling in youtube comments, no need to start insulting people, I merely stated threat the attempt to influence and control other nations through the use of foreign aid has not always panned out, you then used this to go on some sort of libertarian statement and bitch about taxes and government control. Try and be more courteous to people when having a debate on a touchy subject like this, rather than attempting to be the smart guy of the conversation, don't always think of it as you "MURICAN TAX DOLLARS" try and look at it from the point of vewin of the people affected by this first

Your assessment is entirely wrong though.

You still have this idea that the government is trying to fix things. It's not. The government is simply trying to grow its own power and wars are a great way to do that.

Well if you want to think of it that way is fine, but like all Libertarians, don't just assume that you opinion is the absolute correct answer to everything, I've been around enough both on the internet and real life to start noticing patterns in the way Libertarians go about discussing politics and there ideals. I personally think that the government is a tool made to serve the people, to both provide for natural given rights that should be held above just leaving it to a capitalist system. It also is a government and therefore is not and should not be run as a business trying to save money. But what am I, some dirty Socialist, secular extremist Liberal with a Muslim agenda.

You are absolutely right. Government is a tool created for the purpose of serving the people. But FUCK THAT, TAX INCREASES, SPYING PROGRAMS AND STARTING WARS NO ONE WANTS LOL.

Do you know why the tiny government from the early 19th century turned into the massive bloated pig-shit-run system we have today? Because it ALWAYS turns out that way. When you have a tiny government, the market is allowed to roam free and wealth runs rampant among all the 'classes' of people. Then of course the government uses that wealth as collateral in order to increase its own size. The tiniest governments will ALWAYS flourish into the leviathans we have today.

Furthermore, your assessment on Libertarianism is off. I don't think my opinion is the cure-all to every problem. The point of Libertarianism is 'I don't know what is best for you'. The flip side of that is 'you don't know what is best for me', and therefore you cannot dictate my life through any means, including a government. As long as I am not harming any person or their property, I ought to be free to do as I will.

As to what you said about the business thing, a government is the exact opposite of a business. A business is subject to the will of the market, ie the people. If the people do not want your product, then it is up to you to market something people want and will want to buy. If you're a government and people don't want to give you their money, you send armed thugs with guns and costumes to their house and say 'give me my cut or my boys lock you in a cage'. If you're a government and someone figures out you've done wrong, throw them in jail and/or pursue them so you can put them in jail. If you're a business and people find out you've done wrong, you have to change your ways or nobody buys your shit anymore. Even if you change and apologize, there's a chance you'll go out of business anyway.

You're right, the government isn't a business. It's a farmer. And we're the livestock.

Please continue i gotta hear this, go ahead and tell me how the big bad U.S. government is going to do all of that please tell me in great detail. Or are you just venting bullshit ideas?

It's pretty simple really:

We already go over budget by almost double every single year. So add the cost of a war onto that and there is no other option but raising taxes since cuts are absolutely out of the question (to Congress at least). Then the government raises taxes. Well, guess who is affected the most by tax increases? That's right, the poor and middle class. So now they have increased the wage gap, but we'll get back to that in a moment.

Now whenever taxes are increased, does 100% of the taxes go to the spending? FUCK NO. That shit gets put into the politicians pockets in terms of raises, and then it goes into the pockets of the owners of the Federal Reserve when the government pays interest on the debt. Some of it goes into spending on the economy, war, social programs, etc. So now the raising of taxes hasn't done anything to help pay for the war, but the ask for more because "We need more money to fund the war!" just makes sense when you don't actually look at where the money goes.

Now back to the poor and middle class. When taxes are increased, the Left calls for higher taxes on the rich and less on the middle class/poor. Well, one of those always gets met when it's demanded, and that is taxes on the rich, but no cuts to the poor. So now the government makes even more money. Then because the government is handing out welfare like water bottles to anyone who wants it, they secure a 'vote' to stay in power and keep on taxing and over spending. They also secure the poor and make it virtually impossible to get out of being poor by restricting the economy via regulation, and then blame the rich. This is just a very basic overview, if you would like me to explain in greater detail I can.

It sounds good but but but but, why the hell go through all that trouble when the people receiving the money in the end of your plan are in charge of their own bonuses anyway. That a hell of a lot of work to do, for something that can be achieved much easier.

Because if they just up and did it without propagandizing it as patriotism, then enough people would be upset over it to try and stop them. They turn us all into good little passive livestock via indoctrination centers, aka public school. I mean, think about it. What are you taught in school?

-Authority should not be questioned
-Don't stick up for yourself, get someone in authority to do it
-Conformity is how to get ahead
-Memorizing and repeating is intelligence
-Without the states approval, you can't get anywhere in life

Bailing out the auto industry was a load of bullshit. Realistically in school you aren't taught very many useful skills. I learned all of my skills on my own in my free time because my school can't teach them to me, and I went to one of the best in the nation.

It's a well known fact that if you hit back, you will be found just as guilty, and in basically every school as well.

You're right, reasoning and repeating is good memory. But that's not what the schools teach. I had to learn none of those skills to pass any of my classes except a little bit in my computer science course, and most schools don't even have that to begin with.

Showing basic competency in those subjects usually doesn't come from school. If you're bad at math or reading, then you just didn't learn it right, and any one school only teaches things one way. If that's not how you learn, then tough shit faggot. My friend, a really good artist, almost didn't pass high school because he sucked at math. He asked me to tutor him (because for some reason he thinks I am the smartest person in his circle of friends even though I am clearly not), and I tried just shoving the math at him, that didn't work. I took some time to present it in a variety of ways until finally one method stuck with him. I taught him how to do a bunch of different things, and he makes solid B's in math courses in college. people learn differently and schools can't help everyone.

First off the auto industry bail out was NOT BS, if GM, Ford, and Chrysler all went bankrupt and laid off even MORE workers than they already had if they shut down plants that provided the economy for many towns and even cities in the U.S. the recession would have been prolonged and incredibly worsened.

You are right, school type testing and learning does not work for everyone. No need to call me a faggot but you wouldn't be typing this if you weren't taught how to spell and form basic sentences in some form of schooling. Yes learning on your own is good, and believe it or not schools encourage it. They call it studying, and its proven to help out your grades. Now i didn't have the best GPA in High school, and i didn't really seem to care very much about school in general but i did not blame the "system" or my school for it i knew that i wasn't trying. After joining the military at 18 i got to experience things that really changed my perspective in life, it blows my mind that people think school is hard. High school was most likely one of the easiest things i have ever done and so far college isn't much worse. Sure there were things that i actually struggled in but i never asked for help or really applied my self like your friend did so who am i to say that the system is flawed when it is my fault i cant pass a class.

Most people will take the easy way out and blame others for their downfalls, even if their goals are completely attainable. They would rather lie down and stop giving a shit when things got hard and say that their teacher sucks, instead of blaming themselves.

I never called you a faggot, I was imitating the schools reaction to someone that doesn't learn the way a school teaches.

And yes the auto industry was indeed bullshit. They should have just let the businesses fail and not used stolen money to bail them out. Most of those workers would have found jobs pretty damn quickly thanks to capitalism. I'll explain why when I'm done fapping.

Very well, but NO they would not have found jobs. Its not that easy, when you are used to a 40,000$ a year salary and now you maybe have food service as an option for work its not exactly going to cover your expenses/debt. Kids college money/ any school in general. Car payments, house payments, health insurance, taxes, food, clothing, heat, electricity, water, cell-phone. No no no no especially ESPECIALLY when that car plant or office building runs your economy.

So this is not more of a complaint about lives being lost for a useless cause, but more about the fact that you taxes are too high?

No you idiot. You are missing the point. You said that this tactic hasn't worked in the past, implying that the point is to gain control of the other country but that it doesn't work, and I am saying that we KNOW the tactic doesn't work, but that the whole reason behind the tactic is to gain control and more tax dollars. Don't change the subject of the conversation.

Whoa, calm your tits man, I thought this was a discussion on e serious topic, not some angry trolling in youtube comments, no need to start insulting people, I merely stated threat the attempt to influence and control other nations through the use of foreign aid has not always panned out, you then used this to go on some sort of libertarian statement and bitch about taxes and government control. Try and be more courteous to people when having a debate on a touchy subject like this, rather than attempting to be the smart guy of the conversation, don't always think of it as you "MURICAN TAX DOLLARS" try and look at it from the point of vewin of the people affected by this first

Your assessment is entirely wrong though.

You still have this idea that the government is trying to fix things. It's not. The government is simply trying to grow its own power and wars are a great way to do that.

Well if you want to think of it that way is fine, but like all Libertarians, don't just assume that you opinion is the absolute correct answer to everything, I've been around enough both on the internet and real life to start noticing patterns in the way Libertarians go about discussing politics and there ideals. I personally think that the government is a tool made to serve the people, to both provide for natural given rights that should be held above just leaving it to a capitalist system. It also is a government and therefore is not and should not be run as a business trying to save money. But what am I, some dirty Socialist, secular extremist Liberal with a Muslim agenda.

You are absolutely right. Government is a tool created for the purpose of serving the people. But FUCK THAT, TAX INCREASES, SPYING PROGRAMS AND STARTING WARS NO ONE WANTS LOL.

Do you know why the tiny government from the early 19th century turned into the massive bloated pig-shit-run system we have today? Because it ALWAYS turns out that way. When you have a tiny government, the market is allowed to roam free and wealth runs rampant among all the 'classes' of people. Then of course the government uses that wealth as collateral in order to increase its own size. The tiniest governments will ALWAYS flourish into the leviathans we have today.

Furthermore, your assessment on Libertarianism is off. I don't think my opinion is the cure-all to every problem. The point of Libertarianism is 'I don't know what is best for you'. The flip side of that is 'you don't know what is best for me', and therefore you cannot dictate my life through any means, including a government. As long as I am not harming any person or their property, I ought to be free to do as I will.

As to what you said about the business thing, a government is the exact opposite of a business. A business is subject to the will of the market, ie the people. If the people do not want your product, then it is up to you to market something people want and will want to buy. If you're a government and people don't want to give you their money, you send armed thugs with guns and costumes to their house and say 'give me my cut or my boys lock you in a cage'. If you're a government and someone figures out you've done wrong, throw them in jail and/or pursue them so you can put them in jail. If you're a business and people find out you've done wrong, you have to change your ways or nobody buys your shit anymore. Even if you change and apologize, there's a chance you'll go out of business anyway.

You're right, the government isn't a business. It's a farmer. And we're the livestock.

i agree.

What kanedam is trying to say is that it's not the good guys who win, it's the winners who become the good guys, because only the winners of a war write the history. If Germany had won, then they would have been called the "Saviors of Europe".

Then we can say that the United States' forces prevented Europe from being conquered. Therefore, The United States saved Europe from being conquered. The confusion here is that you are assuming that "saving Europe" means saving it from complete destruction, ie wiping it off the map and/or renaming the land. However, that does not need to happen in order for the continent to be considered 'saved'.

What kanedam is trying to say is that it's not the good guys who win, it's the winners who become the good guys, because only the winners of a war write the history. If Germany had won, then they would have been called the "Saviors of Europe".

Do you agree that Germany would have conquered all of Europe had the US not stepped in to help?

Then we can say that the United States' forces prevented Europe from being conquered. Therefore, The United States saved Europe from being conquered. The confusion here is that you are assuming that "saving Europe" means saving it from complete destruction, ie wiping it off the map and/or renaming the land. However, that does not need to happen in order for the continent to be considered 'saved'.

What kanedam is trying to say is that it's not the good guys who win, it's the winners who become the good guys, because only the winners of a war write the history. If Germany had won, then they would have been called the "Saviors of Europe".

Ok you're not getting this. Please follow my logic here.

In order for something to be saved, it has to be saved from something. Yes?

Do you agree that Germany would have conquered all of Europe had the US not stepped in to help?

Then we can say that the United States' forces prevented Europe from being conquered. Therefore, The United States saved Europe from being conquered. The confusion here is that you are assuming that "saving Europe" means saving it from complete destruction, ie wiping it off the map and/or renaming the land. However, that does not need to happen in order for the continent to be considered 'saved'.

What kanedam is trying to say is that it's not the good guys who win, it's the winners who become the good guys, because only the winners of a war write the history. If Germany had won, then they would have been called the "Saviors of Europe".

To your first part, you are indeed correct. My bad.

To your second part, you are wrong. They saved Europe from being conquered. Europe would have been conquered by Germany, to say otherwise would be sheer nonsense. However, they were unable Why? Because America split Germany's attention and brought a new front to the war, which caused Germany's resources and men to be depleted faster, not to mention the fact that they were now fighting against an army that matched their own. So yes, they did in fact save Europe (from being conquered).

Ok you're not getting this. Please follow my logic here.

In order for something to be saved, it has to be saved from something. Yes?

Do you agree that Germany would have conquered all of Europe had the US not stepped in to help?

Then we can say that the United States' forces prevented Europe from being conquered. Therefore, The United States saved Europe from being conquered. The confusion here is that you are assuming that "saving Europe" means saving it from complete destruction, ie wiping it off the map and/or renaming the land. However, that does not need to happen in order for the continent to be considered 'saved'.

What kanedam is trying to say is that it's not the good guys who win, it's the winners who become the good guys, because only the winners of a war write the history. If Germany had won, then they would have been called the "Saviors of Europe".

Alright I see what you're saying, and yes Europe would have been gone. Why? Well if Germany had been allowed to continue, it would have claimed all of Europe for itself and it would no longer be Europe, it would be the Third German Reich. No more Europe. Europe is a combination of countries that are independent, but cooperative, and the Reich was a bunch of countries conquered by Germany...and Germany.

To your first part, you are indeed correct. My bad.

To your second part, you are wrong. They saved Europe from being conquered. Europe would have been conquered by Germany, to say otherwise would be sheer nonsense. However, they were unable Why? Because America split Germany's attention and brought a new front to the war, which caused Germany's resources and men to be depleted faster, not to mention the fact that they were now fighting against an army that matched their own. So yes, they did in fact save Europe (from being conquered).

Ok you're not getting this. Please follow my logic here.

In order for something to be saved, it has to be saved from something. Yes?

Do you agree that Germany would have conquered all of Europe had the US not stepped in to help?

Then we can say that the United States' forces prevented Europe from being conquered. Therefore, The United States saved Europe from being conquered. The confusion here is that you are assuming that "saving Europe" means saving it from complete destruction, ie wiping it off the map and/or renaming the land. However, that does not need to happen in order for the continent to be considered 'saved'.

What kanedam is trying to say is that it's not the good guys who win, it's the winners who become the good guys, because only the winners of a war write the history. If Germany had won, then they would have been called the "Saviors of Europe".