What's wrong with history one?

no electric boogalos

Let's all say this together kids:

Sex is not something to be ashamed of, it's a fun activity that you can enjoy.
A pregnancy and child is not a suitable punishment for having the gall to enjoy yourself with some sex.
Birth controls fail.
Even if the pregnancy is a mistake, a child is not a suitable punishment for having the gall to enjoy yourself with some sex.

I never could tell whether it's leftover puritanical thinking that sex is somehow sinful, or just jealousy at other people actually having sex that brings this 'you dun goofed' argument up.

1) I think overpopulation should be solved by other means(i.e. colonizing other planets, etc.). It seems that if humanity has reached a point where our planet is apparently too small for our population, it is time to expand outward. Instead of funding political agendas, whether pro-life or pro-choice, space colonization should be funded instead.
2) That's not a viable argument for abortion
3) That's the same argument used for drugs. Just because people will do it, doesn't mean it should be legalized. Should we legalize murder? I mean, it happens anyways
4) We are also just cells. Also, the baby is formed when the sperm and egg combine. While the sperm is not consider life in this interpretation, the moment the egg and sperm combine the process has begun
5) That still isn't a viable argument.
6) People make many mistakes. Do we just allow them to undo the issue?

1) We don't live in a sci-fi movie.
2) People lacking consequential thought making children they can't get rid of nor take care of is not a valid argument? Lemme guess, you demand people to be 100% rational Which won't happen .
3) If a woman is pregnant, but can't get rid of, nor take care of a child, she will solve the situation behind "the state's" back, i.e. coathanger. You want people to suffer when they make bad desicions. That's reasonable and all, since it's their own mess, but refer to point 2.
4) Fair point. The line between what's "alive" and what's not "alive" is unspecified since everything that is alive consists of something that isn't.
5) Allow me to present the same amount of proof of validity as you did: "It is too a valid argument": If you didn't get the hint, try supporting your refutation with... like... actually something.
6) Once again, refer to point 2. Also, if we as humans didn't care for other members of our societies, we wouldn't have societies.

Consider the fact that even in 2030 it will cost more to send one person to Mars than the majority of people will earn in their lifetimes. I can't see it ever being economically viable to extract unwanted babies into laboratory farms. The old natural way of baby-making may be messy but it's damn easy comparatively.

Abortions absolutely should be used when genetic defects are identified. Not in some 'create a super race' way but simply because it's morally a crappy thing to force suffering for some misguided notion of the sanctity of life. But aside from that, they should be freely available and shouldn't be seen as 'shameful.' It is not a shame to enjoy sex. A consequence of it can however be a pregnancy but we have very easy ways of dealing with these mishaps. As ever, it's archaic beliefs which are the only barrier to progress.

so what you're saying is it's immoral to take antibiotics because they depend on someone else for survival. have fun with your tapeworms and other horrible parasitic infections!

Let's all say this together kids:

Sex is not something to be ashamed of, it's a fun activity that you can enjoy.
A pregnancy and child is not a suitable punishment for having the gall to enjoy yourself with some sex.
Birth controls fail.
Even if the pregnancy is a mistake, a child is not a suitable punishment for having the gall to enjoy yourself with some sex.

I never could tell whether it's leftover puritanical thinking that sex is somehow sinful, or just jealousy at other people actually having sex that brings this 'you dun goofed' argument up.

1) I think overpopulation should be solved by other means(i.e. colonizing other planets, etc.). It seems that if humanity has reached a point where our planet is apparently too small for our population, it is time to expand outward. Instead of funding political agendas, whether pro-life or pro-choice, space colonization should be funded instead.
2) That's not a viable argument for abortion
3) That's the same argument used for drugs. Just because people will do it, doesn't mean it should be legalized. Should we legalize murder? I mean, it happens anyways
4) We are also just cells. Also, the baby is formed when the sperm and egg combine. While the sperm is not consider life in this interpretation, the moment the egg and sperm combine the process has begun
5) That still isn't a viable argument.
6) People make many mistakes. Do we just allow them to undo the issue?

1) We don't live in a sci-fi movie.
2) People lacking consequential thought making children they can't get rid of nor take care of is not a valid argument? Lemme guess, you demand people to be 100% rational Which won't happen .
3) If a woman is pregnant, but can't get rid of, nor take care of a child, she will solve the situation behind "the state's" back, i.e. coathanger. You want people to suffer when they make bad desicions. That's reasonable and all, since it's their own mess, but refer to point 2.
4) Fair point. The line between what's "alive" and what's not "alive" is unspecified since everything that is alive consists of something that isn't.
5) Allow me to present the same amount of proof of validity as you did: "It is too a valid argument": If you didn't get the hint, try supporting your refutation with... like... actually something.
6) Once again, refer to point 2. Also, if we as humans didn't care for other members of our societies, we wouldn't have societies.

Consider the fact that even in 2030 it will cost more to send one person to Mars than the majority of people will earn in their lifetimes. I can't see it ever being economically viable to extract unwanted babies into laboratory farms. The old natural way of baby-making may be messy but it's damn easy comparatively.

Abortions absolutely should be used when genetic defects are identified. Not in some 'create a super race' way but simply because it's morally a crappy thing to force suffering for some misguided notion of the sanctity of life. But aside from that, they should be freely available and shouldn't be seen as 'shameful.' It is not a shame to enjoy sex. A consequence of it can however be a pregnancy but we have very easy ways of dealing with these mishaps. As ever, it's archaic beliefs which are the only barrier to progress.