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User avatar #189 - antzell (07/02/2014) [-]
Whats the whole point behind Agnosticism?
User avatar #223 - Proximity (07/03/2014) [-]
"I feel a strong sense that there's some sort of God out there, but I don't know who or what that God is"
Being agnostic is wanting to believe in some kind of faith but not being able to find the faith you believe is true
#182 - cannibalvegan (07/02/2014) [-]
Oh my fucking god, someone else here who's actually fed up with his preaching. I'm Agnostic as well and don't care much for religion or Atheism so when I see Gervais whining about religion it just pisses me off because I actually think he is pretty funny, but any comedian who acts like a child about stuff he doesn't like constantly just leaves a bad taste in my mouth for the rest of his acts.

TL;DR: Gervais is funny, but his whining about religion makes everything else he does seem annoying IMO.
User avatar #227 - YllekNayr (07/03/2014) [-]
Agnostic is not a middle ground between atheism and theism.
User avatar #241 - cannibalvegan (07/03/2014) [-]
1. What does that have to with Ricky Gervais? 2. Umm, that's exactly what it is.
#243 - YllekNayr (07/03/2014) [-]
Nothing to do with Ricky. Only responding to you.

And it's not. It's a statement of knowledge.
User avatar #245 - cannibalvegan (07/03/2014) [-]
Don't be that guy, if someone says that they're an Agnostic just assume they don't care much for religion nor atheism and they don't claim to know or deny any existense of a deity, don't go on and be like "Umm, I'm just like wondering if you are an Agnostic Thiest or an Agnostic Atheist because technically Agnosticisim isn't a middle ground between Atheism and Theism so please explain more, please?". Nobody likes that guy.

Shit wasn't even related, I'm not discussing my religious views here, I'm just saying I'm fed up with Ricky Gervais' whining.
User avatar #246 - YllekNayr (07/03/2014) [-]
Honestly, I really don't give a fuck if you don't like that guy.
You can match your views to reality, or continue to be pissed off at it.
You're wrong.
Suck it up.
#136 - uzerc (07/02/2014) [-]
User avatar #208 - sarahm (07/02/2014) [-]
That is not what Apatheism is. It's an indifference towards religion, meaning you don't feel a need for thinking about what religion is right/wrong, or if there is a god(s) etc etc , but that doesn't mean you have to be a dick towards people who do have a need for it in their life, because some people just like to believe, it's that simple. Just respect other people's religions and don't be a douchebag.
User avatar #244 - YllekNayr (07/03/2014) [-]
That's what it sounds like he said.
#242 - cannibalvegan (07/03/2014) [-]
#98 - shittingmangos (07/02/2014) [-]
#82 - anonymous (07/02/2014) [-]
Dude but.. Religion is bullshit.
User avatar #8 - herecomesjohnny (07/02/2014) [-]
When he pokes at religion on twitter it's annoying but when he does it in standup comedy i like it
#112 - hurzg (07/02/2014) [-]
I would like it if it's for 5 mins or so but nigga puts whole 55 minutes into it.
User avatar #126 - brutallyhonest (07/02/2014) [-]
better than black comedians doing their entire act on white people.
#181 - hurzg (07/02/2014) [-]
They are equally bad. Being better than something bad is not a good thing.
User avatar #247 - brutallyhonest (07/03/2014) [-]
I disagree. On one side, you have someone exposing people's ignorance, on the other; you have someone advocating for more.
#248 - hurzg (07/03/2014) [-]
Both are exposing people's ignorance if you can look at it unbiased. Chris Rock, Dave Chapelle, both taught me something. Also lots of other comedians, but Ricky Gervais didn't. It is only funny when preaching to choir.
#191 - anonymous (07/02/2014) [-]
Well that depends entirely on how bad the one thing is, and how much better than it the other thing is. Can't be saying everything that is better than a bad thing isn't a good thing...that is way to all encompassing, and would mean that only things worse than a bad thing could be good, which does not make sense.
#203 - hurzg (07/02/2014) [-]
Hitler was better than Mao Zedong. That's my point.
User avatar #5 - gammajk (07/02/2014) [-]
"I'm agnostic".
No you aren't. You're an agnostic atheist. You still don't believe in god, ergo, you are an atheist.
Belief and knowledge aren't mutually exclusive.
User avatar #115 - hanabro (07/02/2014) [-]
I don't know if there is or is not a god, and do not have a belief that swings one way or another. What am I?
User avatar #116 - gammajk (07/02/2014) [-]
An agnostic atheist. You lack a belief in god, therefore you're an atheist.
User avatar #118 - hanabro (07/02/2014) [-]
Wrong. I don't lack belief in god. I believe there MAY be a god. I also believe there may NOT be a god. The two are not mutually exclusive.

So I ask you again.

What am I?
User avatar #120 - gammajk (07/02/2014) [-]
An agnostic atheist. You don't actively hold a belief in a god.
User avatar #122 - hanabro (07/02/2014) [-]
But I don't actively hold a disbelief in god either, so I can't be an atheist, which, by definition, means that I can't be atheist either.

The point that I'm trying to make here, is that you know very little about Agnosticism. What you're talking about is partial agnosticism: agnosticism as a modifier for either atheism or a theistic religion. "I don't know, but I believe..." What you apparently don't know about is hard and soft agnosticism; "I don't know, neither can you, and we never will," and "I don't know, but maybe we can find out." There's also apathetic agnosticism; "I don't know, and it doesn't matter." Those final three types of agnosticism are more hard-line: they identify with no religions or atheism, solely identifying as "Agnostic." Personally, I fall under soft agnosticism. I'm not an "Agnostic Atheist" because I do not believe that god does not exist. My only belief on the matter is that I don't know enough to have a belief on the matter.
User avatar #220 - YllekNayr (07/03/2014) [-]
He's right, man. By the definition, unless you actively hold a belief in a deity, you are an atheist, because that is the default position for human beings.
User avatar #225 - hanabro (07/03/2014) [-]
Hate to go full tumblrtard, but other people can't tell people how to identify themselves. If someone doesn't want to identify as atheist, they don't have to. When you're talking about your own religious beliefs, nobody but yourself can identify you. One of my friends identifies as a Jew even though he believes in the new testament and Jesus, because of differences he has that disassociates himself with Christianity.

Also, Atheism is not simply lacking belief in a deity, it is actively rejecting the possibility. Somebody who does not know of the possibility is an Apathetic/Pragmatic Agnostic.

There are, however, several different schools of thought on agnosticism. You are quoting a different one than I am. Neither of us is actually right or wrong, as the concept of religious identity is purely philosophical, and very fluid and non-binary.
#228 - YllekNayr (07/03/2014) [-]
Here's a chart showing the 4 possibilities. It is VERY binary, regarding atheism/theism, and gnosticism/agnosticism.

Every religious position of any kind fits into one of these 4 categories.
User avatar #230 - hanabro (07/03/2014) [-]
You missed, "Does not believe while simultaneously does not disbelieve that any god exists."

"I don't know" is always a viable answer to any question. You're thinking about things too simplistically.
User avatar #232 - YllekNayr (07/03/2014) [-]
What you have just described is agnostic atheist. Go look at the chart.
User avatar #233 - hanabro (07/03/2014) [-]
But I don't disbelieve in god either. I believe that a god MAY exist. If I do not believe in a god, it means I believe that a god does not exist, which is. Not. True.
User avatar #235 - YllekNayr (07/03/2014) [-]
Look, dude, I'm tryin to level with you here, but I don't know how else I can explain it to you. What you are describing, the thing you keep saying you are NOT, is Gnostic Atheism. You have confused atheism in general with gnostic atheism.

What you ARE is an agnostic atheist. Which means you are not actively theist, and you don't claim to KNOW there are no gods.
User avatar #226 - YllekNayr (07/03/2014) [-]
That's nice, and all, but I'm gonna stop at your first sentence.

It doesn't matter what you want to call yourself. You are still an atheist.
User avatar #229 - hanabro (07/03/2014) [-]
"I don't want to acknowledge your argument, so I'm going to cover my ears, yell that you're wrong, and sing LALALALALALA at the top of my lungs." -YllekNayr, 2014
User avatar #231 - YllekNayr (07/03/2014) [-]
Dude, I don't know what your problem is. You do not have an argument. I'm not gonna argue a fact.
User avatar #234 - hanabro (07/03/2014) [-]
It's not a fact. There are several different schools of thought on agnosticism. Ours differ. Fuck you for being so egocentric that you think that your opinion is magically right, and that you get to define everybody else's religious identity.
User avatar #236 - YllekNayr (07/03/2014) [-]
Dude, I'm tryin to be cordial here, but you're startin to piss me off a bit.

It's not MY opinion. it is the generally accepted definition of atheism. You are doing EXACTLY what you are bitching at me for, which is assuming yours is right without considering what I'm actually saying.

If you can't read the chart, and refuse to understand what it's saying, I'm done here.
User avatar #237 - hanabro (07/03/2014) [-]
Question: what do you identify as. Specifically. Like, what sect of what ever religion, etc.
User avatar #238 - YllekNayr (07/03/2014) [-]
Agnostic atheist.
For the longest time I identified as simply "agnostic" and declined my friend's offer of reading the atheist subreddit. After I did a bit of research on what atheism actually was, I realized that the term was accurate for what I identified as, and I didn't have to change anything about what I thought or believed to call myself as such.

There's a kind of frustration by the atheist community at self-described agnostics who claim to be a middle ground and think all atheists are gnostic theists.

To drive home the point of why absence of belief is atheism, look at the word itself. Being "moral" is having a sense of right and wrong. Being "immoral" is going against right and wrong. Being "amoral" is without a sense of right and wrong. Asexual is without sexual desire. The prefix A- means without.

Theism is belief in a god. Atheism is a lack of that. Nothing more. No claim. It is a negative position; one that people hold by default until they choose something more active, like theism, or gnostic atheism.
User avatar #239 - hanabro (07/03/2014) [-]
You're absolutely right, about everything, honestly. The problem comes with the general population's PERCEPTION of atheism. Atheism is always going to be associated with the "fedora" crowd, like a lot of your friends on r/atheism, for example. Be it agnostic or gnostic, everyone will assume atheist means gnostic atheist. Even if you say you are, "Agnostic atheist," people will make the assumption that you discredit the belief of a deity, because they hear the word atheist. Therefore, I associate solely with agnostic to disassociate myself with atheism.

I'll admit, I've been playing a lot of devil's advocate here. I'm well aware of how agnosticism works. I've been acting how people have acted toward me when I used to say I was agnostic atheist. Then I got into the religious identity bullshit, which I apologize for, as we could have had a pretty decent discussion without the mindless trolling.
User avatar #240 - YllekNayr (07/03/2014) [-]
The first paragraph is precisely WHY there was the slight annoyance at those who say agnostic when they know they're atheist. They are contributing to the stigmatization of atheists by making them 'that other group" since the rational, normal people must be agnostics. I identify as an atheist so people know that it's NOT about KNOWING or being a dick or fedora or anything, even if people sometimes give me crap for it, and will continue to do so until atheists as a group stop being considered less trustworthy than rapists, according to poll data.
User avatar #151 - gammajk (07/02/2014) [-]
>which, by definition, means that I can't be atheist either.
And this is where you don't understand. Atheism is NOT the belief that "there is no god". Atheism is the DEFAULT POSITION. If you had lived your entire life without ever hearing the concept of a god, you would be an atheist. All babies are atheists.

Belief and knowledge are not mutually exclusive. You have a belief regardless of what you actually know.

I personally like Matt Dillahunty's explanation of it - it depends on how exactly you define "knowledge". He explains knowledge as being a belief to such a high degree of certainty that it would be world-view altering to find out that your belief is false. As such, theism is a scale that goes from gnostic theism --- agnostic theism --- agnostic atheism --- gnostic atheism. There is no "in between" agnostic atheism and agnostic theism. You either hold the belief that god exists or you don't. If you don't believe it, that is still a NEUTRAL POSITION. Rejecting a claim is NOT in it of itself a positive claim. And don't try "well I haven't rejected it", because you obviously have.
#132 - anonymous (07/02/2014) [-]
you two are basically two idiots arguing semantics.
User avatar #152 - gammajk (07/02/2014) [-]
Yes, that's precisely what we're doing. People are using words incorrectly in an attempt to disassociate from one group or another.
User avatar #123 - hanabro (07/02/2014) [-]
*can't be an agnostic atheist either.
#15 - anonymous (07/02/2014) [-]
How do you know he's agnostic atheist?
He might be agnostic theist.
User avatar #38 - YllekNayr (07/02/2014) [-]
He said he wasn't religious. He's probably agnostic atheist.
User avatar #55 - ninjaroo (07/02/2014) [-]
"I'm agnostic so I'm not hating because I'm religious"
-Thejazzman, 2014.
User avatar #56 - ninjaroo (07/02/2014) [-]
Of course after posting I realize I did that wrong.
My point was that he didn't say he wasn't religious, not that he said he is.
User avatar #59 - YllekNayr (07/02/2014) [-]
.....................I can't quite make out what exactly you mean to say. But I'm pretty sure I already know.

He pointed out he's agnostic so people wouldn't accuse him of hating for being religious.

Erego, he's not religious, and probably atheistic, rather than theistic.
User avatar #62 - ninjaroo (07/02/2014) [-]
It could also mean that he's not very religious, so he has no reason to be offended.
"I don't hate you because I'm racist" simply states that it's not the reason behind hating you, it doesn't actually comment on whether or not I'm racist.
If I had to guess I'd say he is agnostic atheist, because that's what most people mean when they say agnostic, but it's perfectly possible he meant agnostic theist.
User avatar #63 - YllekNayr (07/02/2014) [-]
I don't think we're on the same page with your first 2 lines. Your 3rd line I agree with completely. That's the point: which is more likely.
User avatar #150 - Bion (07/02/2014) [-]
"I like cake. I don't like dogs, but it's not because I like cake."

"I'm religious. I don't like that guy, but it's not because I'm religious."

Of course, I believe the guy is an atheist. I'm just clarifying how he didn't actually say which he was, even though Atheist was implied.
User avatar #219 - YllekNayr (07/03/2014) [-]
I'm aware he didn't say it. I'm saying based on the implication and structuring, he PROBABLY is.
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