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|#15 - That's why you have a blast shield on it. [+] (1 new reply)||01/26/2014 on blargahgh||+4|
|#83 - The point is that that's the left-turn lane, and the center la…||01/26/2014 on hello darkness my old friend||0|
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|#41 - Well, think about it. What is benefiting America and Americans more?||01/26/2014 on Deported!||0|
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|#15 - "Old" doesn't necessarily mean "classic." [+] (11 new replies)||01/25/2014 on 2009 vs 1959||+14|
#82 - snowshark (01/26/2014) [-]
1) It's brown. It looks awful in that colour.
2) The majority of people who have ever liked the design of that car come from America, so really it's an 'American Classic' as opposed to a 'Classic' since classic cars are categorised by whom they are actually classic to. The Bel Air is pretty America-Centric whilst the Fararis and Rolls Royces and Aston Martins are pretty universally beloved.
3) I won't judge you for your tastes but to me that car looks like utter garbage. I just come from somewhere with massively different sensibilities but the white-wall wheels, look like trilbies on a fat guy, as in they're cool but meant to be on cooler cars. The grill is horribly over designed, the wings at the back are gaudy, the colour scheme, is mat and a pretty sickly-sweet cherry colour that doesn't sit well with me, the roof is a different colour to the rest of the car, and I can only abide that on the Mini Cooper, the colours don't blend well, it's shaped like a box on wheels and handles like one too...
I genuinely see no appeal in that car to me and don't understand why anyone else would like it either, but the ancient greeks liked to watch naked little boys so cultural influences can play a big part in these things.
#115 - snowshark (01/26/2014) [-]
This is the DB5. It is an Aston Martin that came out in 1963. It is one of the quintessential classic cars for all the reasons that the Bel Air is but on the complete opposite end of the spectrum. Whilst the Bel Air is squared the DB5 is rounded. Instead of white-walls it has black-walls. Rather than being over designed and cluttered it is sleek and conservative. What is more, it's handling and general functions as a car stretch way beyond that of the Bel Air.
Now, of course we're talking about very different price-brackets here but for a cheap classic car from the same era just look to the Mini Cooper which has pretty much the same benefits and came out at the same time. Whilst the Bel Air was the height of fashion in the late 50s, early 60s America it has since become little more than an eyesore. However the Cooper and the DB5 remain as good-looking as they ever have, and have only gained iconography since then through films like James Bond and The Italian Job (I realise this is kinda Brit-centric here but it wasn't meant to be. I just love those films. Was gonna pick a Ferrari before I remembered the DB5).
Lambos and Astons are just as classic, if not more-so than the Bel Air, because classic isn't defined by how old something is, but by how well they stand the test of time. It's why Halo and Banjo Kazooie are classics, whilst the myriad others that fall by the wayside are not.
But if you want to justify yourself, feel free. I'd like a nice cross-cultural conversation about classic cars. If not I suppose we could just empty our reaction folders at each other... might at least be funny.
#124 - Silthrim (01/26/2014) [-]
#128 - snowshark (01/26/2014) [-]
I get this whole vibe from America like the 60s never quite ended over there. A lot of the stuff that everyone else looks at as 'gimmicky' are pretty much everywhere like cheesy names for things or a love of cars bigger than houses. It's a cultural thing and an interesting one at that.
Either way, I think what we've got here is an (ironically) classic case of 'lost in translation'. See, I think we define a 'Classic' car along different lines. For me a classic car needs to be all of the below:
1) Telling of the times.
2) Able to stand the test of time and still look stunning in a good way.
3) Have great performance and handling for the time they came out, if not still.
4) Be instantly recognisable.
The Bel Air suits two of those as it is telling of the times and it is recognisable, however it performs like a dead cod (making it very telling of the times indeed) and looks... well I've explained my view on looks.
Over where I'm from we don't like shallow cars. Cars that are all bark and no bite. it's the same way with women... well... for anyone with a sense of dignity at least. However in the US it seems to have always been a thing that the cars need to be big, flashy, and tell everyone that you are more important than them, something shared by Italians, which is why Italian cars were more prevalent in America than UK/German ones, however they observed the performance thing like the rest of Europe.
The best way to describe it is with an analogy. Imagine a bar. The Aston martin is the guy at the far end of the bar, drinking, wearing a suit, having somewhere to go and something to do. The Italian cars would all be together loudly arguing with each other about their Top Trumps and which one is the most beautiful. The American cars would be chatting up the ladies but they would be to focussed on the Italian cars. The German cars wouldn't be in the bar, they're working.
The Bel Air is like the Italian cars minus the performance. He'd only pull if they weren't there.
#133 - Silthrim (01/26/2014) [-]
#147 - snowshark (01/26/2014) [-]
As iconic as it is as a car I can't say it is good looking meaning it doesn't fit my list of classic cars. However what it does fit is my list of 'iconic' cars, in that the GTI is a car that represents something really important in how cars in Europe would develop. The Golf was a fast little car that handled better than most super cars because of it's size. Whilst they'd beat it on the stretches the Golfs were perfect for the country roads, winding turns, complex city layouts, and general Europeness of Europe. The hot hatches became the alternative to the supercars. If you didn't want a Superman (big, tough, high performance) you went with a Batman (smaller, weaker, but more versatile.)
They weren't status symbols, because everyone had a hot hatch (unless they were dull and had Volvos or some shit) so instead the street-cred lay not in what your car was, but more in what you could do with it, leading to the boy racers and a big culture of modding to get the best performance and comfort from your cars.
If you ever need a film to tell you exactly what classic cars are like in Europe you don't need to go beyond The Itallian Job, a film as much about the cars as the heist. Cruising through gorgeous Italy with stunning cars, sharp turns and close-racing with the hot hatches, and partying and celebrating in the close-quaters camper-vans like the one the crew escape in.
In the US the cars are status symbols. In Europe the cars are overgrown toys.
#89 - anon (01/26/2014) [-]
tldr; amurican curs r dum
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#156 - Elemental (01/22/2014) [-]
True but even if you can't penetrate, you don't always need to. HESH rounds can kill or injure a crew with spall, and even if the tank has spaced plating or a spall liner can sometimes liquefy the crews organs with a shock wave dependent on the size of the round and the size of the tank interior. For the most part they have fallen out of use though.
HEAT rounds are much harder to deflect because the jet of liquid metal they fire is triggered at a distance from the armour by a "standoff" and it cuts right through even composite armour. Mind you RPGs tend to bounce of of angles a lot with out firing because of the design of their nose. So a it comes down to individual model of this concept.
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