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#78 - In philosophy we call that a slippery slope fallacy. If you wa…  [+] (2 new replies) 03/04/2015 on Pakistan arrest... 0
#119 - anonymous (03/04/2015) [-]
The slippery slope is an informal fallacy. Calling an argument invalid due to its use isn't really proper, especially considering the body of law operates on legal precedent, where literally a past decision can be extended beyond its original intent to apply to a new case.
User avatar #82 - burritosupreme (03/04/2015) [-]
Interesting, the slippery slope fallacy has resemblance to the accelerating rise of technology and knowledge in human culture, exponentially increasing over time. I'm just going to stop this right now, allow events to play out, and see what happens
#75 - If there is genuine necessity then what's the issue?  [+] (4 new replies) 03/04/2015 on Pakistan arrest... 0
User avatar #77 - burritosupreme (03/04/2015) [-]
It would begin violating personal freedom rights,. Yes, if it's a legitimate cause they aren't going to wait for the system to allow it in some way and it is probably for the best, but everything that is good also has a bad side, if they use a deadly virus as an excuse they can continue opening doors, they could use it for future use against our will since it was okay in the past, they'll begin normalizing it so it doesn't seem like a bad thing, they can begin experimenting on humans rather than animals, and so on. Think of the butterfly effect, everything that happens now that may seem small will be huge later on.
User avatar #78 - thegamegestapo (03/04/2015) [-]
In philosophy we call that a slippery slope fallacy. If you want to worry then worry about linchpins.
#119 - anonymous (03/04/2015) [-]
The slippery slope is an informal fallacy. Calling an argument invalid due to its use isn't really proper, especially considering the body of law operates on legal precedent, where literally a past decision can be extended beyond its original intent to apply to a new case.
User avatar #82 - burritosupreme (03/04/2015) [-]
Interesting, the slippery slope fallacy has resemblance to the accelerating rise of technology and knowledge in human culture, exponentially increasing over time. I'm just going to stop this right now, allow events to play out, and see what happens
#71 - pseudo-science at its finest. When scientists say &qu…  [+] (7 new replies) 03/04/2015 on Pakistan arrest... +1
User avatar #76 - burritosupreme (03/04/2015) [-]
Also don't believe science that claims improbabiltiy, considering everything is 'impossible' in the skeptic field of science until it is seen happening.
User avatar #74 - burritosupreme (03/04/2015) [-]
This is all beside the point, I was providing an example instead of using Ebola or zombie viruses or anything like that, my point is Forced Vaccinations.
User avatar #75 - thegamegestapo (03/04/2015) [-]
If there is genuine necessity then what's the issue?
User avatar #77 - burritosupreme (03/04/2015) [-]
It would begin violating personal freedom rights,. Yes, if it's a legitimate cause they aren't going to wait for the system to allow it in some way and it is probably for the best, but everything that is good also has a bad side, if they use a deadly virus as an excuse they can continue opening doors, they could use it for future use against our will since it was okay in the past, they'll begin normalizing it so it doesn't seem like a bad thing, they can begin experimenting on humans rather than animals, and so on. Think of the butterfly effect, everything that happens now that may seem small will be huge later on.
User avatar #78 - thegamegestapo (03/04/2015) [-]
In philosophy we call that a slippery slope fallacy. If you want to worry then worry about linchpins.
#119 - anonymous (03/04/2015) [-]
The slippery slope is an informal fallacy. Calling an argument invalid due to its use isn't really proper, especially considering the body of law operates on legal precedent, where literally a past decision can be extended beyond its original intent to apply to a new case.
User avatar #82 - burritosupreme (03/04/2015) [-]
Interesting, the slippery slope fallacy has resemblance to the accelerating rise of technology and knowledge in human culture, exponentially increasing over time. I'm just going to stop this right now, allow events to play out, and see what happens
#65 - >I don't have any proof or supporting evidence but damn it … 03/04/2015 on Pakistan arrest... 0
#64 - >melting glaciers revealing ancient bacteria and viruses  [+] (15 new replies) 03/04/2015 on Pakistan arrest... +15
User avatar #67 - burritosupreme (03/04/2015) [-]
I'm aware of what I said but what is flawed about it? Organisms of all sorts can survive being frozen, it's not like they are annihalated when they freeze over, they still exist, they just die or hibernate. Thing is, anything they teach us in Biology would be in the dark compared to the ENORMOUS number of organisms still out there undiscovered. Also there are actual articles on this, I didn't just come up with it. The unknown is so much more vast than you can imagine my friend.

www.scientificamerican.com/article/melting-glaciers-liberate-ancient-microbes/
User avatar #117 - compared (03/04/2015) [-]
Thanks for the mention, hope you are well.
User avatar #71 - thegamegestapo (03/04/2015) [-]
pseudo-science at its finest.

When scientists say "pretty much impossible" that can be interpreted practically as "impossible. This is "science is relevent guyz, look it's just like in that movie"

If you're worried about horizontal gene transfer then fair enough, but nature isn't pulling a Fringe on us any day soon.
User avatar #76 - burritosupreme (03/04/2015) [-]
Also don't believe science that claims improbabiltiy, considering everything is 'impossible' in the skeptic field of science until it is seen happening.
User avatar #74 - burritosupreme (03/04/2015) [-]
This is all beside the point, I was providing an example instead of using Ebola or zombie viruses or anything like that, my point is Forced Vaccinations.
User avatar #75 - thegamegestapo (03/04/2015) [-]
If there is genuine necessity then what's the issue?
User avatar #77 - burritosupreme (03/04/2015) [-]
It would begin violating personal freedom rights,. Yes, if it's a legitimate cause they aren't going to wait for the system to allow it in some way and it is probably for the best, but everything that is good also has a bad side, if they use a deadly virus as an excuse they can continue opening doors, they could use it for future use against our will since it was okay in the past, they'll begin normalizing it so it doesn't seem like a bad thing, they can begin experimenting on humans rather than animals, and so on. Think of the butterfly effect, everything that happens now that may seem small will be huge later on.
User avatar #78 - thegamegestapo (03/04/2015) [-]
In philosophy we call that a slippery slope fallacy. If you want to worry then worry about linchpins.
#119 - anonymous (03/04/2015) [-]
The slippery slope is an informal fallacy. Calling an argument invalid due to its use isn't really proper, especially considering the body of law operates on legal precedent, where literally a past decision can be extended beyond its original intent to apply to a new case.
User avatar #82 - burritosupreme (03/04/2015) [-]
Interesting, the slippery slope fallacy has resemblance to the accelerating rise of technology and knowledge in human culture, exponentially increasing over time. I'm just going to stop this right now, allow events to play out, and see what happens
#69 - dudewitshirt (03/04/2015) [-]
We should also stop exploring space because Taliban aliens might track our planet down and glass Earth from orbit in the name of alien Allah

Hey, you never know what's out there
User avatar #79 - burritosupreme (03/04/2015) [-]
Alien students coming to Earth destroying the planet for their god without cause. Nice story.
#80 - dudewitshirt (03/04/2015) [-]
I'm aware of what I said but what is flawed about it? Organisms of all sorts can survive being [in space], it's not like they are annihalated when they [go into space], they still exist. Thing is, anything they teach us in Biology would be in the dark compared to the ENORMOUS number of [Taliban aliens] still out there undiscovered
User avatar #118 - compared (03/04/2015) [-]
Thanks for using a comparison, hope you are well.
#81 - dudewitshirt (03/04/2015) [-]
See what I did there? It's funny cause I copy and pasted your argument
#39 - Ice can't cut steel hulls. 03/04/2015 on (untitled) +3
#120 - What's the funniest one you've ever seen? 03/04/2015 on isded part five billion of... +1
#119 - >> #118 , Nope, apparently you're all as messed up as I …  [+] (1 new reply) 03/04/2015 on isded part five billion of... +2
User avatar #126 - rmdx (03/04/2015) [-]
it's impossible not to
#118 - I saw this and started humming "You Spin Me Round" b…  [+] (1 new reply) 03/04/2015 on isded part five billion of... +2
User avatar #134 - pajamashark (03/04/2015) [-]
Someone please turn that into a .webm
#116 - "Watch all the white knights cringe harder on this one be… 03/04/2015 on isded part five billion of... +1
#76 - I love how this is supposed to prevent me eating pork. If orph… 03/04/2015 on Truth 0
#11 - Apart from the whole coup thing, the whole Jew thing, the whol…  [+] (2 new replies) 03/02/2015 on (untitled) -1
User avatar #35 - andywazowski (03/04/2015) [-]
Look up the word "Seemed". Might give you some context to my comment. Since you SEEM to miss the point.
User avatar #36 - thegamegestapo (03/05/2015) [-]
I guess I'd better look up "attentive". My bad.
#61 - Except he'd know that place wasn't real and the man he is woul…  [+] (4 new replies) 03/02/2015 on Villans 0
User avatar #63 - schneidend (03/04/2015) [-]
The NCR wasn't really helping people en masse. They were also only looking out for their turf. Even when the Helios power station was operating at only 1% capacity, the NCR was sending all of that power back to the NCR and not giving a single iota to Vegas. The Hoover Dam situation wasn't much better, with virtually all of its output going back to the NCR and only just enough going to Vegas to power the Strip. The NCR aren't altruistic benefactors. They're conquerors, and while they have created jobs through some of their projects and army recruitment, they are very thoroughly exploiting the Mojave's people and resources.

House is feeding his ego by being responsible for humanity's rise from the ashes, no doubt. However, he's also going to basically turn Vegas into a sort of futuristic Babylon of progress. Curing diseases, rediscovering space travel, mass-producing powerful robots that can easily eliminate raiders and other threats. The Mojave area will quickly become a powerful city-state on the same level as the NCR, and then rapidly pass by the NCR with its much stronger economy and better technology. That can't NOT benefit anybody who lives there.

Hell, even the Legion is arguably better than the NCR, as the Legion keeps its territory secure and protects its citizens from threats, while raiders run rampant in NCR territory, Mojave included.
User avatar #64 - thegamegestapo (03/04/2015) [-]
For your first point it's worth mentioning that the Strip and New Vegas as a whole were off limits to the NCR under their agreement with House. They provided him with power and House decided to use it purely in the strip. The NCR risked their alliance with House to provide food supplies for NCR citizens trapped in Vegas without help so the worst thing you can say about the NCR is that they take care of their own.

House kills and enslaves to get his own way. He concreted up Vault 21, worked with pimps, gangsters, and literal cannibals to run his casinos and then expelled everyone who made his utopia look bad. Not to mention the whole "you're only allowed here if you're rich enough" thing.

As for the Legion, they were slavers. They don't have citizens, only slaves that weren't unhappy. They protected them as farmers protect their steak cattle. All round unpleasant.

NCR and proud.
User avatar #66 - schneidend (03/06/2015) [-]
False, the NCR was permitted on the Strip and New Vegas. They just weren't allowed to have the full force of their army present in the limits of Vegas, and they can only have limited weaponry. A lot of the people you see wandering around the strip are NCR folks on vacation. Allowing NCR people onto the Strip is a huge part of House's plan.

The NCR has plenty of pimps and gangsters that it abides and works with in its own territory. New Reno, for instance, is basically run by mobsters who are just as cruel and evil as the Omertas. House is perfectly fine with you annihilating the Omertas or freeing their prostitutes, besides.

The Legion does have citizens. In fact, most of the Legion is comprised of citizens and soldiers. Slaves are mostly kept and taken by the military, and work in the army's camps and forward bases. Most of the folks back in Arizona are citizens, merchants and other skilled laborers, who are well-protected, safe, and largely happy as long as they stay out of the way of some of the more violent legionnaires like Lanius. You find this out from the merchant guy at Caesar's camp. He's a citizen, has no complaints other than one time Lanius killed one of his brahmin, and in fact migrated to Legion territory from the NCR because Legion territory is generally safer.
User avatar #67 - thegamegestapo (03/06/2015) [-]
You're right, I was unclear. The NCR are banned from the Strip in the sense that they're not allowed to do anything except be consumers in House's mad little game of pre-war make believe.The NCR want to help make Freeside safe (even if some have fairly militant ideas of how it should be done) whereas House was perfectly content with the concept of poverty just outside the wealth of the Strip because it solidified his dictatorship.

Saying the NCR is no better because punks run New Reno is like saying America is as bad as Stalin because there's gangs in Detroit. The NCR is a big place and unfortunately one of the side affects of freedom is organised crime. At least the NCR doesn't actively encourage slavery and prostitution in the name of profit.

As for the Legion, I don't really know how to respond. Caeser himself admitted it's a slave state (part of the reason he wanted Vegas in the first place was for synthesis). The soldiers were slaves to the army and its officers who in turn were slaves of Caesar. Everyone else was just a cog-slave to be relocated or tasked to whatever Legion officials chose. ISIS keeps their roads safe, that doesn't equate freedom.
#17 - I kill them all and keep the ranger helmets on a shelf as trophies. 03/01/2015 on Camp Golf 0
#16 - NCR and proud! 03/01/2015 on Camp Golf +3
#66 - Is this fishing? Because it looks like fishing. 03/01/2015 on ass facts 0
#82 - Still looks pregnant. 03/01/2015 on JTF-2 Facts Compilation 0
#79 - the SEAL in the third picture kind of looks pregnant.  [+] (2 new replies) 03/01/2015 on JTF-2 Facts Compilation 0
User avatar #81 - bionicpanda (03/01/2015) [-]
that's not a SEAL
User avatar #82 - thegamegestapo (03/01/2015) [-]
Still looks pregnant.
#95 - Phew, this comp shows I'm not a serial killer. I'm really glad… 03/01/2015 on 10 Signs you're a killer +2
#14 - Zing 03/01/2015 on - +4
#181 - Oh, that's fair enough I guess. It's still pretty sucky after … 03/01/2015 on Chole Bennet 0
#179 - Spike's death sucked. I'll just say it. After three whol…  [+] (2 new replies) 03/01/2015 on Chole Bennet 0
User avatar #180 - obviousxplains (03/01/2015) [-]
you'll get some answers for that stuff in angel.
I watched the shows together (switched off episode to episode) and certainly preferred angel.

They didnt know at the time if there was going to be another season or not, so they kept the main cast alive, but anya's actress didnt want to come back, so they killed her off
User avatar #181 - thegamegestapo (03/01/2015) [-]
Oh, that's fair enough I guess. It's still pretty sucky after seven seasons though, especially since S6 was so dull.
#177 - I'll watch it then get back to you. Buffy however was…  [+] (4 new replies) 03/01/2015 on Chole Bennet 0
User avatar #178 - obviousxplains (03/01/2015) [-]
the slayer thing was explained before hand though.
and spike and ayna's deaths were really impactful
they also closed the hell mouth, which was the entire point of the show
if you didnt like that, youll hate angel's ending
User avatar #179 - thegamegestapo (03/01/2015) [-]
Spike's death sucked. I'll just say it. After three whole seasons of character development he puts on a necklace and explodes. There was no sense of fulfilment, he hadn't moved on and Buffy still didn't love him. From a thematic point of view his death was meaningless. Anya had been made irrelevant by the misguided split from Xander so in my opinion her death also served purpose yet had no real emotional punch.
Closing the Hellmouth was neat and all but The First Evil was completely ignored as if it was tied to the Hellmouth or something.
I think it would have been better if Willow had died casting the Slayer spell, Xander and Anya had died together, Spike had died more or less the way he did but with better thematic treatment, and Buffy had died closing the Hellmouth, preferably with a witty retort that showed the First was beaten.

Also, Faith was a great character, where was her screentime?
User avatar #180 - obviousxplains (03/01/2015) [-]
you'll get some answers for that stuff in angel.
I watched the shows together (switched off episode to episode) and certainly preferred angel.

They didnt know at the time if there was going to be another season or not, so they kept the main cast alive, but anya's actress didnt want to come back, so they killed her off
User avatar #181 - thegamegestapo (03/01/2015) [-]
Oh, that's fair enough I guess. It's still pretty sucky after seven seasons though, especially since S6 was so dull.
#70 - In olden times manga wasn't allowed to depict erections. Noseb… 03/01/2015 on Well... Japan +1
#58 - He was doing it for himself, the benefits to others were incid…  [+] (6 new replies) 03/01/2015 on Villans 0
User avatar #59 - schneidend (03/02/2015) [-]
He's a shriveled prune in a hi-tech coffin. Creating a scientific renaissance and a second industrial revolution doesn't really benefit him in any way, especially given that he could easily retreat into a digital paradise with Jane and Maralyn, and live as a virtual god while ignoring the outside world. Instead, he devotes his time and resources to making Vegas, and by extension the world, a better place.
User avatar #61 - thegamegestapo (03/02/2015) [-]
Except he'd know that place wasn't real and the man he is would never be happy with that. He wanted to make a permanent mark on the world and to hell with the people that would make things better. The NCR was hands down the best faction because they were helping people en masse where as House's only goal was to make his "turf" better than everyone else's; Fallout 1% style.
User avatar #63 - schneidend (03/04/2015) [-]
The NCR wasn't really helping people en masse. They were also only looking out for their turf. Even when the Helios power station was operating at only 1% capacity, the NCR was sending all of that power back to the NCR and not giving a single iota to Vegas. The Hoover Dam situation wasn't much better, with virtually all of its output going back to the NCR and only just enough going to Vegas to power the Strip. The NCR aren't altruistic benefactors. They're conquerors, and while they have created jobs through some of their projects and army recruitment, they are very thoroughly exploiting the Mojave's people and resources.

House is feeding his ego by being responsible for humanity's rise from the ashes, no doubt. However, he's also going to basically turn Vegas into a sort of futuristic Babylon of progress. Curing diseases, rediscovering space travel, mass-producing powerful robots that can easily eliminate raiders and other threats. The Mojave area will quickly become a powerful city-state on the same level as the NCR, and then rapidly pass by the NCR with its much stronger economy and better technology. That can't NOT benefit anybody who lives there.

Hell, even the Legion is arguably better than the NCR, as the Legion keeps its territory secure and protects its citizens from threats, while raiders run rampant in NCR territory, Mojave included.
User avatar #64 - thegamegestapo (03/04/2015) [-]
For your first point it's worth mentioning that the Strip and New Vegas as a whole were off limits to the NCR under their agreement with House. They provided him with power and House decided to use it purely in the strip. The NCR risked their alliance with House to provide food supplies for NCR citizens trapped in Vegas without help so the worst thing you can say about the NCR is that they take care of their own.

House kills and enslaves to get his own way. He concreted up Vault 21, worked with pimps, gangsters, and literal cannibals to run his casinos and then expelled everyone who made his utopia look bad. Not to mention the whole "you're only allowed here if you're rich enough" thing.

As for the Legion, they were slavers. They don't have citizens, only slaves that weren't unhappy. They protected them as farmers protect their steak cattle. All round unpleasant.

NCR and proud.
User avatar #66 - schneidend (03/06/2015) [-]
False, the NCR was permitted on the Strip and New Vegas. They just weren't allowed to have the full force of their army present in the limits of Vegas, and they can only have limited weaponry. A lot of the people you see wandering around the strip are NCR folks on vacation. Allowing NCR people onto the Strip is a huge part of House's plan.

The NCR has plenty of pimps and gangsters that it abides and works with in its own territory. New Reno, for instance, is basically run by mobsters who are just as cruel and evil as the Omertas. House is perfectly fine with you annihilating the Omertas or freeing their prostitutes, besides.

The Legion does have citizens. In fact, most of the Legion is comprised of citizens and soldiers. Slaves are mostly kept and taken by the military, and work in the army's camps and forward bases. Most of the folks back in Arizona are citizens, merchants and other skilled laborers, who are well-protected, safe, and largely happy as long as they stay out of the way of some of the more violent legionnaires like Lanius. You find this out from the merchant guy at Caesar's camp. He's a citizen, has no complaints other than one time Lanius killed one of his brahmin, and in fact migrated to Legion territory from the NCR because Legion territory is generally safer.
User avatar #67 - thegamegestapo (03/06/2015) [-]
You're right, I was unclear. The NCR are banned from the Strip in the sense that they're not allowed to do anything except be consumers in House's mad little game of pre-war make believe.The NCR want to help make Freeside safe (even if some have fairly militant ideas of how it should be done) whereas House was perfectly content with the concept of poverty just outside the wealth of the Strip because it solidified his dictatorship.

Saying the NCR is no better because punks run New Reno is like saying America is as bad as Stalin because there's gangs in Detroit. The NCR is a big place and unfortunately one of the side affects of freedom is organised crime. At least the NCR doesn't actively encourage slavery and prostitution in the name of profit.

As for the Legion, I don't really know how to respond. Caeser himself admitted it's a slave state (part of the reason he wanted Vegas in the first place was for synthesis). The soldiers were slaves to the army and its officers who in turn were slaves of Caesar. Everyone else was just a cog-slave to be relocated or tasked to whatever Legion officials chose. ISIS keeps their roads safe, that doesn't equate freedom.

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