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#145752 - They recommended the stuff I'm using now. I just have to be co…  [+] (10 new replies) 11/22/2013 on Hating - file complaints,... 0
User avatar #145753 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
Cut your hands off.
That should give you the upper hand.
User avatar #145757 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
Once I cut off one, I wouldn't be able to cut off the other.
User avatar #145761 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
God you're inefficient. You tape a meat cleaver or something to one foot, cut one hand off with your other hand, then use your cleaver foot to kick really hard into your other one. You could also put it on your knee, if you put your hand on an elevated surface.
User avatar #145765 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
The knee method would work better than the foot method. I'd have to somehow manage to jump onto my hand for that to work properly.
User avatar #145766 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
Probably. But yeah go do that. It's a handy solution.
User avatar #145767 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
I can't do it alone. I'd need someone to lend me a hand.
User avatar #145769 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
You need your right hand man.
User avatar #145770 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
A handy toolman
User avatar #145771 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
Gotta hand it to you, these are pretty shit.
User avatar #145778 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
You can't hand-le these jokes.
#145749 - Although it works slowly. 11/22/2013 on Hating - file complaints,... 0
#145748 - What would s/he tell me to do? Put balm on it? I already do th…  [+] (12 new replies) 11/22/2013 on Hating - file complaints,... 0
User avatar #145751 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
They'd probably prescribe a better solution, or get a way to fix it permanently, fucking, I don't know. God damn.
User avatar #145752 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
They recommended the stuff I'm using now. I just have to be consistent, so really I hate the fact that I'm so inconsistent with it.
User avatar #145753 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
Cut your hands off.
That should give you the upper hand.
User avatar #145757 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
Once I cut off one, I wouldn't be able to cut off the other.
User avatar #145761 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
God you're inefficient. You tape a meat cleaver or something to one foot, cut one hand off with your other hand, then use your cleaver foot to kick really hard into your other one. You could also put it on your knee, if you put your hand on an elevated surface.
User avatar #145765 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
The knee method would work better than the foot method. I'd have to somehow manage to jump onto my hand for that to work properly.
User avatar #145766 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
Probably. But yeah go do that. It's a handy solution.
User avatar #145767 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
I can't do it alone. I'd need someone to lend me a hand.
User avatar #145769 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
You need your right hand man.
User avatar #145770 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
A handy toolman
User avatar #145771 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
Gotta hand it to you, these are pretty shit.
User avatar #145778 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
You can't hand-le these jokes.
#16529 - But it's such a good movie.  [+] (5 new replies) 11/22/2013 on Television - cartoon... 0
User avatar #16530 - averagewhitekid (11/22/2013) [-]
Yeah
but at what cost?
My feelings for the next 3 nights?
User avatar #16531 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
It's worth it.

If you want to counter the feeling, watch Pi, if you haven't seen it. Same director as Requiem, but it's a thriller of sorts (psychological thriller, I think).
User avatar #16532 - averagewhitekid (11/22/2013) [-]
I'll have to look into it another time
as of now, i've had enough depression for the week
User avatar #16533 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
You can never be too depressed, unless you are.
User avatar #16534 - averagewhitekid (11/22/2013) [-]
yeah, i am... and this movie didn't help, knowing that I have friends in colleges right now who could be falling to the same fate...
#145743 - My hands are in pain, and the dryness seems to have discolored… 11/22/2013 on Hating - file complaints,... 0
#145740 - My hands are dryer than desert and cracked beyond any acceptab…  [+] (16 new replies) 11/22/2013 on Hating - file complaints,... 0
User avatar #145746 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
Nigga go to a fucking doctor.
User avatar #145749 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
Although it works slowly.
User avatar #145748 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
What would s/he tell me to do? Put balm on it? I already do that, and it works. I just don't like to put it on because it doesn't get absorbed quickly, so if I miss a day, I get screwed over again.
User avatar #145751 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
They'd probably prescribe a better solution, or get a way to fix it permanently, fucking, I don't know. God damn.
User avatar #145752 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
They recommended the stuff I'm using now. I just have to be consistent, so really I hate the fact that I'm so inconsistent with it.
User avatar #145753 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
Cut your hands off.
That should give you the upper hand.
User avatar #145757 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
Once I cut off one, I wouldn't be able to cut off the other.
User avatar #145761 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
God you're inefficient. You tape a meat cleaver or something to one foot, cut one hand off with your other hand, then use your cleaver foot to kick really hard into your other one. You could also put it on your knee, if you put your hand on an elevated surface.
User avatar #145765 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
The knee method would work better than the foot method. I'd have to somehow manage to jump onto my hand for that to work properly.
User avatar #145766 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
Probably. But yeah go do that. It's a handy solution.
User avatar #145767 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
I can't do it alone. I'd need someone to lend me a hand.
User avatar #145769 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
You need your right hand man.
User avatar #145770 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
A handy toolman
User avatar #145771 - EdwardNigma (11/22/2013) [-]
Gotta hand it to you, these are pretty shit.
User avatar #145778 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
You can't hand-le these jokes.
User avatar #145743 - thedudeistheman (11/22/2013) [-]
My hands are in pain, and the dryness seems to have discolored my hands. Bad wording on my behalf.
#727683 - I don't think that's true. For the time being, it won't be the…  [+] (1 new reply) 11/20/2013 on Video Games Board - console... 0
User avatar #728184 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-No matter how much they "push the graphics" or whatever, it can not be better than the tech itself I am saying. You can not take an old floppy disc and say "You know today I'm going to make this hold 500 GB of data." You can only put the max amount of data on that floppy disc. Same with any tech. If your graphics card can only handle 14 thousand shaders, then you aren't going to "push it" to 15 thousand. Can you do good with 14k? Yes. Can you do better with 15k or 20k, or 50k? Yes.

-Like I said, if it is practical to carry your console around somewhere, it is just as simple to bring your desktop there.

-Thats the point of different parts on PC. If, for example, I only want to play games on high at 60+fps on at 1080p, I can get the parts for that and be happy. Now if someone else wants to run 6 monitors at 4k resolution on maximum, they can also get the parts for that and be happy. Thats the whole gimmick of PC. Getting better performances, mods, graphics, etc. Otherwise why wouldn't we all have the same box for games? Why would there even be a debate between the consoles, or against consoles and PC capabilities?

-The point is that if a console is just a weak broad based PC that can't perform as well as just a PC you build yourself for a similar price, why even just settle with the console? If I can do all my activities on one device, why would I even bother bringing out multiple devices for each individual activity I want to do? I mean the basic point I am trying to get across is: why be restricted?
#727667 - I prefer the layout of Steam much more than the current layout… 11/20/2013 on Video Games Board - console... 0
#727661 - That's not what I'm trying to say. You don't think a developer… 11/20/2013 on Video Games Board - console... 0
#727660 - But that tech in the new consoles will be capable of doing so …  [+] (3 new replies) 11/20/2013 on Video Games Board - console... 0
User avatar #727669 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-Again yeah, it can do plenty I'm sure. But it will always be limited to those specific specs, rather than PC releases. You can't really argue that developers some how manage to make the graphics card in the PS4 run games 3 times better than how it was made. It will always be the max it can reach.

-Thats why I brought it up. Since you most likely buy a PC anyways, why not just forget the console and buy a better PC that can game and do your PC stuff.

-Wut, yeah please reword haha. From what I am reading, you think some PC parts are unneccisary if you only game, which is completely false. A console has all the parts a PC has, only they have limits on them for widespread manufacturing and sales. The only difference is the OS, which is very limited to games on consoles, while PC can do a whole lot more.

-And no. Consoles are meant to be cheap PC's strictly for gaming and for widespread manufacturing and sales. Look at the Steam Boxes for example. They are fucking expensive as fuck. But thats because they have a ton of different parts in them to do a whole range of things, rather than consoles. And they will have less sales for being more expensive. All microsoft and Sony want to do is make a cheap box to sell their exclusive games and content on. I mean the consoles are already sold at a loss, what other reason would they have to keep the prices low?
User avatar #727683 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I don't think that's true. For the time being, it won't be the max because it hasn't been pushed. It's a counter-intuitive thought, but it's true. There has to be extensive testing to see the full capabilities. I'll use the argument of The Last of Us again. TLoU looks nothing like the beginning of the PS3's generation. The PS3's specs were known, but their full capabilities weren't truly understood.

I do a lot of PC gaming compared to what I used to do. I'm not playing huge games on my computer. I don't prefer PC over console, or vice versa. Each has their exclusives that draw me to them. I wouldn't be able to bring a desktop with me. For reasons I don't want to talk about, I wouldn't be able to, and it wouldn't be practical. I understand the whole thing about not being extremely heavy, but with the other things I do have to bring with me, it wouldn't be practical. I play all my PC games on this laptop, and so far I've had almost no problems, as far as specs go.

I may be wrong about this, so I'm just going off what seems logical. Let's say that to play games, a PC and a console need Part A. Part A comes in 2A, 3A, and 4A. A console has Part 2A. A console only plays game. A PC can use any of the three parts, but most people use 4A because a PC can do so much else, and it would do that stuff better with 4A. But something's changed, and you only want to play games with it. It wouldn't make sense to keep using 4A, because it's much more expensive than a 2A. The console runs games near perfectly with a 2A, and that's all you want your PC to do. Wouldn't it make sense to buy a 2A and save money instead of paying more for something you don't need? If that still doesn't get the general idea across, I'll try again.

You're touching upon what I'm trying to convey. A console is meant to be a strictly-gaming PC. Knowing that, read what I said above and see if you get it then.
User avatar #728184 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-No matter how much they "push the graphics" or whatever, it can not be better than the tech itself I am saying. You can not take an old floppy disc and say "You know today I'm going to make this hold 500 GB of data." You can only put the max amount of data on that floppy disc. Same with any tech. If your graphics card can only handle 14 thousand shaders, then you aren't going to "push it" to 15 thousand. Can you do good with 14k? Yes. Can you do better with 15k or 20k, or 50k? Yes.

-Like I said, if it is practical to carry your console around somewhere, it is just as simple to bring your desktop there.

-Thats the point of different parts on PC. If, for example, I only want to play games on high at 60+fps on at 1080p, I can get the parts for that and be happy. Now if someone else wants to run 6 monitors at 4k resolution on maximum, they can also get the parts for that and be happy. Thats the whole gimmick of PC. Getting better performances, mods, graphics, etc. Otherwise why wouldn't we all have the same box for games? Why would there even be a debate between the consoles, or against consoles and PC capabilities?

-The point is that if a console is just a weak broad based PC that can't perform as well as just a PC you build yourself for a similar price, why even just settle with the console? If I can do all my activities on one device, why would I even bother bringing out multiple devices for each individual activity I want to do? I mean the basic point I am trying to get across is: why be restricted?
#727653 - I don't think that's a fair argument to make. PCs get upgraded…  [+] (2 new replies) 11/20/2013 on Video Games Board - console... 0
User avatar #727658 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
It took a not so small amount of time for PS3 and xbox 360 to "fully hit the tech." What makes you think it wont take just as long for this next gen?
and nah, PC parts are always easily changed around. A game can work on any processor from Intel Pentium to an Intel i7 to a AMD FX 8350, and work on any graphics card from different companies, and work on any motherboard from tooooons of companies, so long as they have Windows, which don't try to argue, Windows is literally on almost every single computer. Something programmed for Windows XP can work for 7 and 8, something on 7 can work on 8, and it will move on like that for a very long time.
User avatar #727661 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
That's not what I'm trying to say. You don't think a developer has to mess around with the newest parts they can get to see what they can do? If every new piece of hardware was only slightly better than the last, there's almost no point to be releasing new hardware as often as companies do. Maybe not all hardware needs to be pushed to its limits, but there is stuff that can be used to such a greater extent that the only way to see what it can do would be to test it and push it.
#727651 - I'd take off Uplay and Origin from the list. They're not exact…  [+] (2 new replies) 11/20/2013 on Video Games Board - console... 0
User avatar #727659 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Fair point, just throwing it out there since PSN Xbox Live isn't exactly everyone's wet dream either.

Still, the amount of F2P that are truly F2P definitely out number the amount of F2P's on consoles.

And fair enough, but it depends on what games you play and what kinds of mods you like.
User avatar #727667 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I prefer the layout of Steam much more than the current layout of the PSN. I liked the last style better.

But that's something that could be said about all MMOs. Much more on PC than console.

Same thing could be said about console games. Except for the mods part.
#727650 - It took almost an entire generation to get experiences like Th…  [+] (4 new replies) 11/20/2013 on Video Games Board - console... 0
User avatar #727652 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Oh i mean I love quite a few console exclusives, don't get me wrong. I was just saying that PC has just as many exlusives, and a bit more, that are just as high quality getting released all the time. The programming never changes so developers never have to struggle, rather than with getting used to the new consoles and programming for them.
User avatar #727653 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I don't think that's a fair argument to make. PCs get upgraded tech all the time. I was trying to say that it takes a while for console developers to see how far they can push the tech. PC-exclusive devs also have to see how far they can push new tech. They don't just immediately know what they can and can't do with the new stuff they can play with.
User avatar #727658 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
It took a not so small amount of time for PS3 and xbox 360 to "fully hit the tech." What makes you think it wont take just as long for this next gen?
and nah, PC parts are always easily changed around. A game can work on any processor from Intel Pentium to an Intel i7 to a AMD FX 8350, and work on any graphics card from different companies, and work on any motherboard from tooooons of companies, so long as they have Windows, which don't try to argue, Windows is literally on almost every single computer. Something programmed for Windows XP can work for 7 and 8, something on 7 can work on 8, and it will move on like that for a very long time.
User avatar #727661 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
That's not what I'm trying to say. You don't think a developer has to mess around with the newest parts they can get to see what they can do? If every new piece of hardware was only slightly better than the last, there's almost no point to be releasing new hardware as often as companies do. Maybe not all hardware needs to be pushed to its limits, but there is stuff that can be used to such a greater extent that the only way to see what it can do would be to test it and push it.
#727648 - Well, as far as sales go, you don't know what will be on sale.…  [+] (5 new replies) 11/20/2013 on Video Games Board - console... 0
User avatar #727656 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-Again yeah, that is granted. Every day run of the mill are not always cheaper. They can be cheaper regularly priced, and usually are. Like you said, you only listed like 5 examples. More frequently than not they are just as cheap or cheaper on PC, of course not counting sales. There are cases like you pointed out, but its not that big of a percentage.

-Yeah it wasn't an insult. Like I said, I've made some bad purchases before as well.

-There is still local multiplayer on PC's actually. Not as much as the already pitiful amount on consoles (since you are right, its infrequent now-a-days :/ ) but still, its not something you can totally disregard.

-Still, is it really. Most people need a computer of some kind. If you put your gaming and productivity on one beast, you save money and you get a totally different thing than consoles. I can't do that much on consoles besides play games. I can do a whole lot on PC's, and not just task related, but game related, such as mods, graphics, fluidity of games, etc.

-Again, I was referring to the whole last gen even. PS3's and Xbox 360's had plenty of problems for years. PC's are at the point of where its very very hard to find some crappy part. I mean you can if you go search by shittiest ratings or what not. But if you shop smart like you would anything, car, house, whatnot, you will always have PC parts that work perfectly first time you put them together.
And yeah, Steam was shit at release in 2003. But it has majorly improved 10 fold. And nah, Steam has been known as awesome since around 2007, at least to maybe me.

- and yeah, I can't obviously do a straight judge of this new gen of consoles. Like I said though, the specs are already dated, and can be built better for the same, slightly higher, or lower price as a PC. Those specs will be like that for a long time in consoles, so I can judge that right away.
User avatar #727660 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
But that tech in the new consoles will be capable of doing so much. Taking a look at some of the games we have now, would you have expected the 360 or PS3 to be running some of the games they currently do? It's unfair to judge the consoles' tech without seeing what the future holds in terms of gaming.

Yeah, no denying a PC is capable of many things, like doing almost anything other than gaming. But a console isn't meant to do all those things, like browsing the Internet (they can do that, but it's not exactly fluid) or whatever else your computer might do.

At its core, it's supposed to play video games. If you created a computer with the sole purpose of playing video games, uninstalled everything else not necessary to functioning save for a web browser and maybe a way to watch movies/play music, I think it's safe to say you'd be buying parts that are not only unnecessary, but more expensive than what is needed to play games. If you don't understand that, just say so, I feel like the wording might be confusing.

Essentially, what I'm saying here is that if a console was supposed to do everything a PC could, don't you think the specs would be more comparable?
User avatar #727669 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-Again yeah, it can do plenty I'm sure. But it will always be limited to those specific specs, rather than PC releases. You can't really argue that developers some how manage to make the graphics card in the PS4 run games 3 times better than how it was made. It will always be the max it can reach.

-Thats why I brought it up. Since you most likely buy a PC anyways, why not just forget the console and buy a better PC that can game and do your PC stuff.

-Wut, yeah please reword haha. From what I am reading, you think some PC parts are unneccisary if you only game, which is completely false. A console has all the parts a PC has, only they have limits on them for widespread manufacturing and sales. The only difference is the OS, which is very limited to games on consoles, while PC can do a whole lot more.

-And no. Consoles are meant to be cheap PC's strictly for gaming and for widespread manufacturing and sales. Look at the Steam Boxes for example. They are fucking expensive as fuck. But thats because they have a ton of different parts in them to do a whole range of things, rather than consoles. And they will have less sales for being more expensive. All microsoft and Sony want to do is make a cheap box to sell their exclusive games and content on. I mean the consoles are already sold at a loss, what other reason would they have to keep the prices low?
User avatar #727683 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I don't think that's true. For the time being, it won't be the max because it hasn't been pushed. It's a counter-intuitive thought, but it's true. There has to be extensive testing to see the full capabilities. I'll use the argument of The Last of Us again. TLoU looks nothing like the beginning of the PS3's generation. The PS3's specs were known, but their full capabilities weren't truly understood.

I do a lot of PC gaming compared to what I used to do. I'm not playing huge games on my computer. I don't prefer PC over console, or vice versa. Each has their exclusives that draw me to them. I wouldn't be able to bring a desktop with me. For reasons I don't want to talk about, I wouldn't be able to, and it wouldn't be practical. I understand the whole thing about not being extremely heavy, but with the other things I do have to bring with me, it wouldn't be practical. I play all my PC games on this laptop, and so far I've had almost no problems, as far as specs go.

I may be wrong about this, so I'm just going off what seems logical. Let's say that to play games, a PC and a console need Part A. Part A comes in 2A, 3A, and 4A. A console has Part 2A. A console only plays game. A PC can use any of the three parts, but most people use 4A because a PC can do so much else, and it would do that stuff better with 4A. But something's changed, and you only want to play games with it. It wouldn't make sense to keep using 4A, because it's much more expensive than a 2A. The console runs games near perfectly with a 2A, and that's all you want your PC to do. Wouldn't it make sense to buy a 2A and save money instead of paying more for something you don't need? If that still doesn't get the general idea across, I'll try again.

You're touching upon what I'm trying to convey. A console is meant to be a strictly-gaming PC. Knowing that, read what I said above and see if you get it then.
User avatar #728184 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-No matter how much they "push the graphics" or whatever, it can not be better than the tech itself I am saying. You can not take an old floppy disc and say "You know today I'm going to make this hold 500 GB of data." You can only put the max amount of data on that floppy disc. Same with any tech. If your graphics card can only handle 14 thousand shaders, then you aren't going to "push it" to 15 thousand. Can you do good with 14k? Yes. Can you do better with 15k or 20k, or 50k? Yes.

-Like I said, if it is practical to carry your console around somewhere, it is just as simple to bring your desktop there.

-Thats the point of different parts on PC. If, for example, I only want to play games on high at 60+fps on at 1080p, I can get the parts for that and be happy. Now if someone else wants to run 6 monitors at 4k resolution on maximum, they can also get the parts for that and be happy. Thats the whole gimmick of PC. Getting better performances, mods, graphics, etc. Otherwise why wouldn't we all have the same box for games? Why would there even be a debate between the consoles, or against consoles and PC capabilities?

-The point is that if a console is just a weak broad based PC that can't perform as well as just a PC you build yourself for a similar price, why even just settle with the console? If I can do all my activities on one device, why would I even bother bringing out multiple devices for each individual activity I want to do? I mean the basic point I am trying to get across is: why be restricted?
#727639 - Those aren't the current prices. Sales are temporary regardles…  [+] (4 new replies) 11/20/2013 on Video Games Board - console... 0
User avatar #727643 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Like I said. The amount of Steam, Uplay, Origin, GOG, Humble Bundle, Amazon digital , and tons of other sites sales on games is such a crazy high amount on so many games, unless you are the most spur of the moment, "Oh I want to play this game right now at 1PM on a thursday" kind of guy, you could literally wait around a week and find a deal on exactly what you wanted. If you are talking average run of the mill "Oh you know I kind of want this game" kind of guy, it is no struggle at all.

But yeeaaaahh, absolute every day prices are technically more expensive.

Another thing to consider is the sheer amount of f2p games on PC, especially good ones.
and all those thousands of millions of mods for quite a few PC games, making it worth that extra bit of money.
User avatar #727651 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I'd take off Uplay and Origin from the list. They're not exactly great platforms, even if sales are good.

F2P games are a plus, but you also have to take into consideration how many are truly F2P, and how many are pay-to-win.

Only a handful of games (in regards to every game in existence) have mods that truly extend a game's lifespan.
User avatar #727659 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Fair point, just throwing it out there since PSN Xbox Live isn't exactly everyone's wet dream either.

Still, the amount of F2P that are truly F2P definitely out number the amount of F2P's on consoles.

And fair enough, but it depends on what games you play and what kinds of mods you like.
User avatar #727667 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I prefer the layout of Steam much more than the current layout of the PSN. I liked the last style better.

But that's something that could be said about all MMOs. Much more on PC than console.

Same thing could be said about console games. Except for the mods part.
#727634 - Fair enough. 11/20/2013 on Video Games Board - console... 0
#727632 - Yes, it's entirely practical to carry a 25-pound box with you …  [+] (2 new replies) 11/20/2013 on Video Games Board - console... 0
User avatar #727633 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Yes its entirely practical to carry your console every where you might want to play a game.

I was implying since you move so much, you could move it to your new house or apartment just as easily as a console.
User avatar #727634 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
Fair enough.
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User avatar #727637 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Yeah, but compared to the Summer and Holiday sales of 99.9% of disc based stores, its a lot better of sales.

And the last developers weekend was like 2-3 weeks ago. Deep Silver weekend, where you could buy Dead Island Riptide for $13.99, and Saints Row 4 for $32.99. Which, last I checked, is quite a bit less than the current console prices.
User avatar #727639 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
Those aren't the current prices. Sales are temporary regardless of how you choose to buy. You can't still get those games for those prices on Steam, so it wouldn't make sense to talk about them as though they were still on sale.

That is true though, Steam has incredible sales. I won't argue against it.
User avatar #727643 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Like I said. The amount of Steam, Uplay, Origin, GOG, Humble Bundle, Amazon digital , and tons of other sites sales on games is such a crazy high amount on so many games, unless you are the most spur of the moment, "Oh I want to play this game right now at 1PM on a thursday" kind of guy, you could literally wait around a week and find a deal on exactly what you wanted. If you are talking average run of the mill "Oh you know I kind of want this game" kind of guy, it is no struggle at all.

But yeeaaaahh, absolute every day prices are technically more expensive.

Another thing to consider is the sheer amount of f2p games on PC, especially good ones.
and all those thousands of millions of mods for quite a few PC games, making it worth that extra bit of money.
User avatar #727651 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I'd take off Uplay and Origin from the list. They're not exactly great platforms, even if sales are good.

F2P games are a plus, but you also have to take into consideration how many are truly F2P, and how many are pay-to-win.

Only a handful of games (in regards to every game in existence) have mods that truly extend a game's lifespan.
User avatar #727659 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Fair point, just throwing it out there since PSN Xbox Live isn't exactly everyone's wet dream either.

Still, the amount of F2P that are truly F2P definitely out number the amount of F2P's on consoles.

And fair enough, but it depends on what games you play and what kinds of mods you like.
User avatar #727667 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I prefer the layout of Steam much more than the current layout of the PSN. I liked the last style better.

But that's something that could be said about all MMOs. Much more on PC than console.

Same thing could be said about console games. Except for the mods part.
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User avatar #727642 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-Granted yes, but if you are talking from the beginning of the console cycle, PS3 was also $600. $300 for the slim after about 3 or 4 years, but that would mean waiting 3 or 4 years for PS4 to also go down in price, and get a slightly lower chance of hardware failure.

-Yeah, I forgot it was lower on both. $50 on consoles, $40 on PC. And you got Dead Island GOTY for free with preorder.

-As of current non sale prices, yes you are right, Steam is not always the lowest. But like I told you in the comment before, we have such a ridiculous amount of sales, that the price is almost always lower. If you are talking spur of the moment wanting to buy it now, yeah, you win there.

- The resale of games has always been a debate. I suppose that is up to personal opinion, and again, mine, from owning all consoles and a PC, is that it was almost never worth trading in games, and I usually always wanted to play the game again like 2 months later, which I would still have on Steam. Of course this also comes with educating yourself on the game, gameplay trailers and all that, but hey, not everyone feels like doing that, I understand. Even I make a bad purchase every once in while.

-I do like PSN deals, but you are also putting yourself at the mercy of Sony. There have been plenty of months where PS+ only releases some Vita games and some other mehish titles. That $50 a year can get you an awful lot on Steam sales, humble bundle, GOG, ect. deals. But yeah, of course that is opinion. Exclusives are always enjoyable for everything. There are plenty of titles on my PC I enjoy that people can't on consoles.

Also another point I had to make was backwards compatibility, since the barely had it on this last gen, and are already starting without it on the next gen. I can still play games from 2005 and back on the same PC I play brand new releases.
User avatar #727650 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
It took almost an entire generation to get experiences like The Last of Us. You can't expect the new consoles to be released and immediately be putting out high-tier experiences (in terms of the tech available).
User avatar #727652 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Oh i mean I love quite a few console exclusives, don't get me wrong. I was just saying that PC has just as many exlusives, and a bit more, that are just as high quality getting released all the time. The programming never changes so developers never have to struggle, rather than with getting used to the new consoles and programming for them.
User avatar #727653 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I don't think that's a fair argument to make. PCs get upgraded tech all the time. I was trying to say that it takes a while for console developers to see how far they can push the tech. PC-exclusive devs also have to see how far they can push new tech. They don't just immediately know what they can and can't do with the new stuff they can play with.
User avatar #727658 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
It took a not so small amount of time for PS3 and xbox 360 to "fully hit the tech." What makes you think it wont take just as long for this next gen?
and nah, PC parts are always easily changed around. A game can work on any processor from Intel Pentium to an Intel i7 to a AMD FX 8350, and work on any graphics card from different companies, and work on any motherboard from tooooons of companies, so long as they have Windows, which don't try to argue, Windows is literally on almost every single computer. Something programmed for Windows XP can work for 7 and 8, something on 7 can work on 8, and it will move on like that for a very long time.
User avatar #727661 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
That's not what I'm trying to say. You don't think a developer has to mess around with the newest parts they can get to see what they can do? If every new piece of hardware was only slightly better than the last, there's almost no point to be releasing new hardware as often as companies do. Maybe not all hardware needs to be pushed to its limits, but there is stuff that can be used to such a greater extent that the only way to see what it can do would be to test it and push it.
User avatar #727648 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
Well, as far as sales go, you don't know what will be on sale. If you wait for a sale, you could end up waiting several months for a game to be sold at a discounted price. If you eager to get a game, you might not want to wait that long.

I know you probably didn't mean it as an insult, but I do educate myself on what I get. Some games are disappointing and misleading, which wouldn't show through a trailer or gameplay released by the dev (I'm looking at you, Aliens: Colonial Marines).

Backwards compatibility is pretty nice, I'll give you that.

A new thing I'd like to introduce is local multiplayer. And I don't mean just sitting in the same room, I mean playing split-screen on the couch. While less common nowadays, there are many games that do have split-screen features, something that you can't get on PC. I'm making an argument that I know I can both win and lose. I don't think playing on separate computers, albeit in the same room, has the same effect as sitting next to a friend and playing on the same screen. That being said, I have played games sitting next to my friends while using a computer, and good times have been had. Personally though, I don't think any kind of multiplayer has the same feeling as split-screen.

Confused about what you're saying about the whole "they are equal thing." I know it's about something I said, but what? Is it that I said bickering about PC and console gaming is stupid? I stand by that. They are by no means entirely equal, but they're not drastically different.

You're talking about consoles that have been released less than a week ago. Nothing is perfect right out of the gate. If you think PC has been perfect for all this time, you've got another thing coming. As far as platforms go, look at Steam. Only recently (in the spectrum of things) has Steam garnered the reputation for being awesome. At first, it was clunky and nowhere near as great as it was now.

You need to give the new consoles time to show their power...
User avatar #727656 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-Again yeah, that is granted. Every day run of the mill are not always cheaper. They can be cheaper regularly priced, and usually are. Like you said, you only listed like 5 examples. More frequently than not they are just as cheap or cheaper on PC, of course not counting sales. There are cases like you pointed out, but its not that big of a percentage.

-Yeah it wasn't an insult. Like I said, I've made some bad purchases before as well.

-There is still local multiplayer on PC's actually. Not as much as the already pitiful amount on consoles (since you are right, its infrequent now-a-days :/ ) but still, its not something you can totally disregard.

-Still, is it really. Most people need a computer of some kind. If you put your gaming and productivity on one beast, you save money and you get a totally different thing than consoles. I can't do that much on consoles besides play games. I can do a whole lot on PC's, and not just task related, but game related, such as mods, graphics, fluidity of games, etc.

-Again, I was referring to the whole last gen even. PS3's and Xbox 360's had plenty of problems for years. PC's are at the point of where its very very hard to find some crappy part. I mean you can if you go search by shittiest ratings or what not. But if you shop smart like you would anything, car, house, whatnot, you will always have PC parts that work perfectly first time you put them together.
And yeah, Steam was shit at release in 2003. But it has majorly improved 10 fold. And nah, Steam has been known as awesome since around 2007, at least to maybe me.

- and yeah, I can't obviously do a straight judge of this new gen of consoles. Like I said though, the specs are already dated, and can be built better for the same, slightly higher, or lower price as a PC. Those specs will be like that for a long time in consoles, so I can judge that right away.
User avatar #727660 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
But that tech in the new consoles will be capable of doing so much. Taking a look at some of the games we have now, would you have expected the 360 or PS3 to be running some of the games they currently do? It's unfair to judge the consoles' tech without seeing what the future holds in terms of gaming.

Yeah, no denying a PC is capable of many things, like doing almost anything other than gaming. But a console isn't meant to do all those things, like browsing the Internet (they can do that, but it's not exactly fluid) or whatever else your computer might do.

At its core, it's supposed to play video games. If you created a computer with the sole purpose of playing video games, uninstalled everything else not necessary to functioning save for a web browser and maybe a way to watch movies/play music, I think it's safe to say you'd be buying parts that are not only unnecessary, but more expensive than what is needed to play games. If you don't understand that, just say so, I feel like the wording might be confusing.

Essentially, what I'm saying here is that if a console was supposed to do everything a PC could, don't you think the specs would be more comparable?
User avatar #727669 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-Again yeah, it can do plenty I'm sure. But it will always be limited to those specific specs, rather than PC releases. You can't really argue that developers some how manage to make the graphics card in the PS4 run games 3 times better than how it was made. It will always be the max it can reach.

-Thats why I brought it up. Since you most likely buy a PC anyways, why not just forget the console and buy a better PC that can game and do your PC stuff.

-Wut, yeah please reword haha. From what I am reading, you think some PC parts are unneccisary if you only game, which is completely false. A console has all the parts a PC has, only they have limits on them for widespread manufacturing and sales. The only difference is the OS, which is very limited to games on consoles, while PC can do a whole lot more.

-And no. Consoles are meant to be cheap PC's strictly for gaming and for widespread manufacturing and sales. Look at the Steam Boxes for example. They are fucking expensive as fuck. But thats because they have a ton of different parts in them to do a whole range of things, rather than consoles. And they will have less sales for being more expensive. All microsoft and Sony want to do is make a cheap box to sell their exclusive games and content on. I mean the consoles are already sold at a loss, what other reason would they have to keep the prices low?
User avatar #727683 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I don't think that's true. For the time being, it won't be the max because it hasn't been pushed. It's a counter-intuitive thought, but it's true. There has to be extensive testing to see the full capabilities. I'll use the argument of The Last of Us again. TLoU looks nothing like the beginning of the PS3's generation. The PS3's specs were known, but their full capabilities weren't truly understood.

I do a lot of PC gaming compared to what I used to do. I'm not playing huge games on my computer. I don't prefer PC over console, or vice versa. Each has their exclusives that draw me to them. I wouldn't be able to bring a desktop with me. For reasons I don't want to talk about, I wouldn't be able to, and it wouldn't be practical. I understand the whole thing about not being extremely heavy, but with the other things I do have to bring with me, it wouldn't be practical. I play all my PC games on this laptop, and so far I've had almost no problems, as far as specs go.

I may be wrong about this, so I'm just going off what seems logical. Let's say that to play games, a PC and a console need Part A. Part A comes in 2A, 3A, and 4A. A console has Part 2A. A console only plays game. A PC can use any of the three parts, but most people use 4A because a PC can do so much else, and it would do that stuff better with 4A. But something's changed, and you only want to play games with it. It wouldn't make sense to keep using 4A, because it's much more expensive than a 2A. The console runs games near perfectly with a 2A, and that's all you want your PC to do. Wouldn't it make sense to buy a 2A and save money instead of paying more for something you don't need? If that still doesn't get the general idea across, I'll try again.

You're touching upon what I'm trying to convey. A console is meant to be a strictly-gaming PC. Knowing that, read what I said above and see if you get it then.
User avatar #728184 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-No matter how much they "push the graphics" or whatever, it can not be better than the tech itself I am saying. You can not take an old floppy disc and say "You know today I'm going to make this hold 500 GB of data." You can only put the max amount of data on that floppy disc. Same with any tech. If your graphics card can only handle 14 thousand shaders, then you aren't going to "push it" to 15 thousand. Can you do good with 14k? Yes. Can you do better with 15k or 20k, or 50k? Yes.

-Like I said, if it is practical to carry your console around somewhere, it is just as simple to bring your desktop there.

-Thats the point of different parts on PC. If, for example, I only want to play games on high at 60+fps on at 1080p, I can get the parts for that and be happy. Now if someone else wants to run 6 monitors at 4k resolution on maximum, they can also get the parts for that and be happy. Thats the whole gimmick of PC. Getting better performances, mods, graphics, etc. Otherwise why wouldn't we all have the same box for games? Why would there even be a debate between the consoles, or against consoles and PC capabilities?

-The point is that if a console is just a weak broad based PC that can't perform as well as just a PC you build yourself for a similar price, why even just settle with the console? If I can do all my activities on one device, why would I even bother bringing out multiple devices for each individual activity I want to do? I mean the basic point I am trying to get across is: why be restricted?
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User avatar #727581 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
I mean, yeah you could be the retard who buys a Full tower case that is a monster and is way more room than you will ever humanly need or use. Or you can buy a case, that when loaded, weighs about 25 pounds, if not less. Not judging strength, but I can carry that around in a box with some other shit as well. And i'm not really Mr. Buff
User avatar #727632 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
Yes, it's entirely practical to carry a 25-pound box with you wherever you go that you might need your computer.
User avatar #727633 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Yes its entirely practical to carry your console every where you might want to play a game.

I was implying since you move so much, you could move it to your new house or apartment just as easily as a console.
User avatar #727634 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
Fair enough.
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User avatar #727510 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-lel k

-Yeah and "every once in while" you get blue lights of death or red ring's of death and have buy a complete new console.... Its not frequent, but it does happen. Especially at the release of a brand new console generation compared to PC's which have parts continually released.

-Ha no. At least 50% or more of PC Triple A games come out at $50. Metro Last Light, Injustice, Deus Ex HR, Batman Arkham Asylum City and Origins, Hitman Absolution, Saints Row 4, Tomb Raider, and Dead Island Riptide, just to name a few in the past about year release frame.

-Lel, I referenced Black Friday deals for newegg.com the computer part site. Since ya know, PC parts go on sale pretty fast. PS4 and Xbone will be $400 and $500 for the next 2 years, minimum.

-I can 100% guarantee you, as a owner of a PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, and PC, that no site or store gives you as ridiculous of sales as Steam(or GOG or Humble Bundle for that matter) consistently give you. No store I know has a new daily deal every day, a new midweek sale on two different games or series every week, and a weekend deal on 2+ games or series every weekend. If you can find one, please point it out to me.

-Almost always, unless you are talking arcade/indie games, which are just as cheap on PC if not cheaper. And go on much better sales more frequently.

-Lel oh yeah I forgot how Gamestop gave everyone on PS3 and Xbox a free copy of Spec Ops the Line, Bioshock 1, and Civilization V Gold for preordering Xcom Enemy Unknown at $44.99. Oh wait.... That never happened. I think they gave you like a costume for $59.99....

-Lel oh yeah. Only the Spring Sale, Easter Sale, Summer Sale, Autumn sale, Gamescom sale, Thanksgiving sale, Cybermonday sale, and Holiday sale, on top of the around 10+ "(insert developers name here) weekend!"'s that also had ridiculous sales. But lel yeah, you're totally right about only maybe 5 a year.

-Lel tell me more about the cutting edge tech in the PS4 and Xbone, that I have in my....
User avatar #727631 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I also said five major sales. Developer weekends are nowhere near as big as seasonal sales, let alone the Gamescom sale.
User avatar #727637 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Yeah, but compared to the Summer and Holiday sales of 99.9% of disc based stores, its a lot better of sales.

And the last developers weekend was like 2-3 weeks ago. Deep Silver weekend, where you could buy Dead Island Riptide for $13.99, and Saints Row 4 for $32.99. Which, last I checked, is quite a bit less than the current console prices.
User avatar #727639 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
Those aren't the current prices. Sales are temporary regardless of how you choose to buy. You can't still get those games for those prices on Steam, so it wouldn't make sense to talk about them as though they were still on sale.

That is true though, Steam has incredible sales. I won't argue against it.
User avatar #727643 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Like I said. The amount of Steam, Uplay, Origin, GOG, Humble Bundle, Amazon digital , and tons of other sites sales on games is such a crazy high amount on so many games, unless you are the most spur of the moment, "Oh I want to play this game right now at 1PM on a thursday" kind of guy, you could literally wait around a week and find a deal on exactly what you wanted. If you are talking average run of the mill "Oh you know I kind of want this game" kind of guy, it is no struggle at all.

But yeeaaaahh, absolute every day prices are technically more expensive.

Another thing to consider is the sheer amount of f2p games on PC, especially good ones.
and all those thousands of millions of mods for quite a few PC games, making it worth that extra bit of money.
User avatar #727651 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I'd take off Uplay and Origin from the list. They're not exactly great platforms, even if sales are good.

F2P games are a plus, but you also have to take into consideration how many are truly F2P, and how many are pay-to-win.

Only a handful of games (in regards to every game in existence) have mods that truly extend a game's lifespan.
User avatar #727659 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Fair point, just throwing it out there since PSN Xbox Live isn't exactly everyone's wet dream either.

Still, the amount of F2P that are truly F2P definitely out number the amount of F2P's on consoles.

And fair enough, but it depends on what games you play and what kinds of mods you like.
User avatar #727667 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I prefer the layout of Steam much more than the current layout of the PSN. I liked the last style better.

But that's something that could be said about all MMOs. Much more on PC than console.

Same thing could be said about console games. Except for the mods part.
User avatar #727630 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
To be fair, the PS3 has had significantly less system failures than the 360.

Pretty sure Dead Island: Riptide wasn't $60 on consoles.

(Compared to GameStop prices for PS3 games)
Arkham City is more on Steam.
Hitman: Absolution is more on Steam.
Tomb Raider is more on Steam.
Dead Island: Riptide is the same on Steam.

Now you might be thinking, "thedude, that's only four of the ten games I listed. That's not a very high ratio of games cheaper on consoles to games cheaper on Steam." And you would be correct to think that. On Steam, however, if you pay for a game and you don't like it, you're out of any money back you could get if you were to trade it in at GameStop. If you don't like a console game, almost 100% of the time you can trade it in for something else, or get cash back. Albeit you don't get the same amount, but if you get a new release for $60, you can trade it in for at least $30. $30 is greater than the $10 cheaper those other games are on Steam (yes, I did check. I don't think any of the games were more than $10 cheaper, but feel free to go and look for yourself if you haven't. I compared the same versions of the game, so if Steam had a GOTY edition, I looked for that edition on GameStop's website).

You're right, I wouldn't have gotten Spec Ops, Bioshock 1, or Civ V if I pre-ordered Xcom. But wait, what's this? You mean to tell me that for only $50 a year, I can get Xcom, Uncharted 3, Shadow of the Colossus, LittleBigPlanet 2, Awesomenauts, Trine 2, inFamous 2, Just Cause 2, Borderlands, Payday: The Heist, Bioshock 2, Darksiders, Sleeping Dogs, Battlefield 3, Hitman: Absolution, or any number of other games? I mean, compared to those three games you mentioned, that's nothing. (Yes, I know that some of these games are no longer available for free with PS Plus, but Xcom also isn't available for pre-order. If you choose to argue that there will be other, similar pre-order offers, keep in mind that there will be other free games on PS Plus).
User avatar #727642 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-Granted yes, but if you are talking from the beginning of the console cycle, PS3 was also $600. $300 for the slim after about 3 or 4 years, but that would mean waiting 3 or 4 years for PS4 to also go down in price, and get a slightly lower chance of hardware failure.

-Yeah, I forgot it was lower on both. $50 on consoles, $40 on PC. And you got Dead Island GOTY for free with preorder.

-As of current non sale prices, yes you are right, Steam is not always the lowest. But like I told you in the comment before, we have such a ridiculous amount of sales, that the price is almost always lower. If you are talking spur of the moment wanting to buy it now, yeah, you win there.

- The resale of games has always been a debate. I suppose that is up to personal opinion, and again, mine, from owning all consoles and a PC, is that it was almost never worth trading in games, and I usually always wanted to play the game again like 2 months later, which I would still have on Steam. Of course this also comes with educating yourself on the game, gameplay trailers and all that, but hey, not everyone feels like doing that, I understand. Even I make a bad purchase every once in while.

-I do like PSN deals, but you are also putting yourself at the mercy of Sony. There have been plenty of months where PS+ only releases some Vita games and some other mehish titles. That $50 a year can get you an awful lot on Steam sales, humble bundle, GOG, ect. deals. But yeah, of course that is opinion. Exclusives are always enjoyable for everything. There are plenty of titles on my PC I enjoy that people can't on consoles.

Also another point I had to make was backwards compatibility, since the barely had it on this last gen, and are already starting without it on the next gen. I can still play games from 2005 and back on the same PC I play brand new releases.
User avatar #727650 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
It took almost an entire generation to get experiences like The Last of Us. You can't expect the new consoles to be released and immediately be putting out high-tier experiences (in terms of the tech available).
User avatar #727652 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Oh i mean I love quite a few console exclusives, don't get me wrong. I was just saying that PC has just as many exlusives, and a bit more, that are just as high quality getting released all the time. The programming never changes so developers never have to struggle, rather than with getting used to the new consoles and programming for them.
User avatar #727653 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I don't think that's a fair argument to make. PCs get upgraded tech all the time. I was trying to say that it takes a while for console developers to see how far they can push the tech. PC-exclusive devs also have to see how far they can push new tech. They don't just immediately know what they can and can't do with the new stuff they can play with.
User avatar #727658 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
It took a not so small amount of time for PS3 and xbox 360 to "fully hit the tech." What makes you think it wont take just as long for this next gen?
and nah, PC parts are always easily changed around. A game can work on any processor from Intel Pentium to an Intel i7 to a AMD FX 8350, and work on any graphics card from different companies, and work on any motherboard from tooooons of companies, so long as they have Windows, which don't try to argue, Windows is literally on almost every single computer. Something programmed for Windows XP can work for 7 and 8, something on 7 can work on 8, and it will move on like that for a very long time.
User avatar #727661 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
That's not what I'm trying to say. You don't think a developer has to mess around with the newest parts they can get to see what they can do? If every new piece of hardware was only slightly better than the last, there's almost no point to be releasing new hardware as often as companies do. Maybe not all hardware needs to be pushed to its limits, but there is stuff that can be used to such a greater extent that the only way to see what it can do would be to test it and push it.
User avatar #727648 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
Well, as far as sales go, you don't know what will be on sale. If you wait for a sale, you could end up waiting several months for a game to be sold at a discounted price. If you eager to get a game, you might not want to wait that long.

I know you probably didn't mean it as an insult, but I do educate myself on what I get. Some games are disappointing and misleading, which wouldn't show through a trailer or gameplay released by the dev (I'm looking at you, Aliens: Colonial Marines).

Backwards compatibility is pretty nice, I'll give you that.

A new thing I'd like to introduce is local multiplayer. And I don't mean just sitting in the same room, I mean playing split-screen on the couch. While less common nowadays, there are many games that do have split-screen features, something that you can't get on PC. I'm making an argument that I know I can both win and lose. I don't think playing on separate computers, albeit in the same room, has the same effect as sitting next to a friend and playing on the same screen. That being said, I have played games sitting next to my friends while using a computer, and good times have been had. Personally though, I don't think any kind of multiplayer has the same feeling as split-screen.

Confused about what you're saying about the whole "they are equal thing." I know it's about something I said, but what? Is it that I said bickering about PC and console gaming is stupid? I stand by that. They are by no means entirely equal, but they're not drastically different.

You're talking about consoles that have been released less than a week ago. Nothing is perfect right out of the gate. If you think PC has been perfect for all this time, you've got another thing coming. As far as platforms go, look at Steam. Only recently (in the spectrum of things) has Steam garnered the reputation for being awesome. At first, it was clunky and nowhere near as great as it was now.

You need to give the new consoles time to show their power...
User avatar #727656 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-Again yeah, that is granted. Every day run of the mill are not always cheaper. They can be cheaper regularly priced, and usually are. Like you said, you only listed like 5 examples. More frequently than not they are just as cheap or cheaper on PC, of course not counting sales. There are cases like you pointed out, but its not that big of a percentage.

-Yeah it wasn't an insult. Like I said, I've made some bad purchases before as well.

-There is still local multiplayer on PC's actually. Not as much as the already pitiful amount on consoles (since you are right, its infrequent now-a-days :/ ) but still, its not something you can totally disregard.

-Still, is it really. Most people need a computer of some kind. If you put your gaming and productivity on one beast, you save money and you get a totally different thing than consoles. I can't do that much on consoles besides play games. I can do a whole lot on PC's, and not just task related, but game related, such as mods, graphics, fluidity of games, etc.

-Again, I was referring to the whole last gen even. PS3's and Xbox 360's had plenty of problems for years. PC's are at the point of where its very very hard to find some crappy part. I mean you can if you go search by shittiest ratings or what not. But if you shop smart like you would anything, car, house, whatnot, you will always have PC parts that work perfectly first time you put them together.
And yeah, Steam was shit at release in 2003. But it has majorly improved 10 fold. And nah, Steam has been known as awesome since around 2007, at least to maybe me.

- and yeah, I can't obviously do a straight judge of this new gen of consoles. Like I said though, the specs are already dated, and can be built better for the same, slightly higher, or lower price as a PC. Those specs will be like that for a long time in consoles, so I can judge that right away.
User avatar #727660 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
But that tech in the new consoles will be capable of doing so much. Taking a look at some of the games we have now, would you have expected the 360 or PS3 to be running some of the games they currently do? It's unfair to judge the consoles' tech without seeing what the future holds in terms of gaming.

Yeah, no denying a PC is capable of many things, like doing almost anything other than gaming. But a console isn't meant to do all those things, like browsing the Internet (they can do that, but it's not exactly fluid) or whatever else your computer might do.

At its core, it's supposed to play video games. If you created a computer with the sole purpose of playing video games, uninstalled everything else not necessary to functioning save for a web browser and maybe a way to watch movies/play music, I think it's safe to say you'd be buying parts that are not only unnecessary, but more expensive than what is needed to play games. If you don't understand that, just say so, I feel like the wording might be confusing.

Essentially, what I'm saying here is that if a console was supposed to do everything a PC could, don't you think the specs would be more comparable?
User avatar #727669 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-Again yeah, it can do plenty I'm sure. But it will always be limited to those specific specs, rather than PC releases. You can't really argue that developers some how manage to make the graphics card in the PS4 run games 3 times better than how it was made. It will always be the max it can reach.

-Thats why I brought it up. Since you most likely buy a PC anyways, why not just forget the console and buy a better PC that can game and do your PC stuff.

-Wut, yeah please reword haha. From what I am reading, you think some PC parts are unneccisary if you only game, which is completely false. A console has all the parts a PC has, only they have limits on them for widespread manufacturing and sales. The only difference is the OS, which is very limited to games on consoles, while PC can do a whole lot more.

-And no. Consoles are meant to be cheap PC's strictly for gaming and for widespread manufacturing and sales. Look at the Steam Boxes for example. They are fucking expensive as fuck. But thats because they have a ton of different parts in them to do a whole range of things, rather than consoles. And they will have less sales for being more expensive. All microsoft and Sony want to do is make a cheap box to sell their exclusive games and content on. I mean the consoles are already sold at a loss, what other reason would they have to keep the prices low?
User avatar #727683 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I don't think that's true. For the time being, it won't be the max because it hasn't been pushed. It's a counter-intuitive thought, but it's true. There has to be extensive testing to see the full capabilities. I'll use the argument of The Last of Us again. TLoU looks nothing like the beginning of the PS3's generation. The PS3's specs were known, but their full capabilities weren't truly understood.

I do a lot of PC gaming compared to what I used to do. I'm not playing huge games on my computer. I don't prefer PC over console, or vice versa. Each has their exclusives that draw me to them. I wouldn't be able to bring a desktop with me. For reasons I don't want to talk about, I wouldn't be able to, and it wouldn't be practical. I understand the whole thing about not being extremely heavy, but with the other things I do have to bring with me, it wouldn't be practical. I play all my PC games on this laptop, and so far I've had almost no problems, as far as specs go.

I may be wrong about this, so I'm just going off what seems logical. Let's say that to play games, a PC and a console need Part A. Part A comes in 2A, 3A, and 4A. A console has Part 2A. A console only plays game. A PC can use any of the three parts, but most people use 4A because a PC can do so much else, and it would do that stuff better with 4A. But something's changed, and you only want to play games with it. It wouldn't make sense to keep using 4A, because it's much more expensive than a 2A. The console runs games near perfectly with a 2A, and that's all you want your PC to do. Wouldn't it make sense to buy a 2A and save money instead of paying more for something you don't need? If that still doesn't get the general idea across, I'll try again.

You're touching upon what I'm trying to convey. A console is meant to be a strictly-gaming PC. Knowing that, read what I said above and see if you get it then.
User avatar #728184 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-No matter how much they "push the graphics" or whatever, it can not be better than the tech itself I am saying. You can not take an old floppy disc and say "You know today I'm going to make this hold 500 GB of data." You can only put the max amount of data on that floppy disc. Same with any tech. If your graphics card can only handle 14 thousand shaders, then you aren't going to "push it" to 15 thousand. Can you do good with 14k? Yes. Can you do better with 15k or 20k, or 50k? Yes.

-Like I said, if it is practical to carry your console around somewhere, it is just as simple to bring your desktop there.

-Thats the point of different parts on PC. If, for example, I only want to play games on high at 60+fps on at 1080p, I can get the parts for that and be happy. Now if someone else wants to run 6 monitors at 4k resolution on maximum, they can also get the parts for that and be happy. Thats the whole gimmick of PC. Getting better performances, mods, graphics, etc. Otherwise why wouldn't we all have the same box for games? Why would there even be a debate between the consoles, or against consoles and PC capabilities?

-The point is that if a console is just a weak broad based PC that can't perform as well as just a PC you build yourself for a similar price, why even just settle with the console? If I can do all my activities on one device, why would I even bother bringing out multiple devices for each individual activity I want to do? I mean the basic point I am trying to get across is: why be restricted?
User avatar #727569 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-.... that I have in my PC from 2009. Oh yeah, its supposed to last you for 8+ years.

-See my little tidbit comment about 2 up, about the $800 or $1100 you spend on the console. Yeah, uh, that buys a pretty fucking great PC. My last PC(from 2009 that I bought on Ebay for $500) still runs Skyrim at 60+ FPS at 1080p on High graphics. Ps4 already barely holds at a solid locked 60 fps at 1080p at maybe medium graphics. Xbone already drops to 720p at 30fps.

-Uh nah. Once again thats just your opinion on the argument. I already showed you how it can be cheaper. Already runs games better, Already has better specs. But yeah sure, "they are equal." No offence, but people like you usually only say that because they want to buy a next gen console because some friends said they were.

-And yeah. Much more Indie titles.
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#727388 - averagewhitekid (11/19/2013) [-]
I always see that argument
so I went ahead and calculated it out anyways
For PS4 side:
$400 for base
+$50 every year
Since This console generation is already aiming up to be a bare minimum of 8 years, thats 8 times $50, which comes out to the whopping total of $400
So ps4 for this whole generation is $800, which is turn, is mooorrreeee than enough to buy a great/even better than great PC.

XBox edition:
$500 for base
$60 a year
Microsoft has already commented they want the One to last for 10 motherfucking years. Thats $600 right out of your wallet JUST TO CONNECT TO OTHERS.
$1100 for the console that is already fucking outdated ten fold, which is already a fantastic PC.

Both of these are of course not considering any console replacements, replacements of controllers, the shitty console game prices you will have to live with for the next 8+ years, and ect. There are obviously PC replacements and hardware failure, but it is at a far smaller scale, since all you have to do is take proper care of your PC and clean it with some air cans every once in while. Which ya know, doesn't void your warrenties on the parts, unlike if you tried to open a console and give it a decent cleaning.
Also there is the fact that once you buy your console, ya gonna want some games with it. New release on consoles are always $60, and PC has most of the time $50 new release games. Even cheaper if you preorder earlier on Steam, and you can even get some sweet preorder deals

But yeah, think about all the sweat savory Steam deals we get, and how much that saves PC gamers on games through out the whole next generation.
Think about all those savory newegg.com deals on PC parts, practically throwing parts at you once a month, let alone if you have some major holiday (hint hint, Thanksgiving, Black Friday, Cyber Monday, Christmas). And you can use those to build your awesome PC for cheap, and maybe even upgrade later on.

Seriously though
uh
console gaming
is not cheaper
User avatar #727449 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
... big PC gaming rig because I'm moving a lot, and it's not practical to move a desktop with you everywhere you go.
User avatar #727581 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
I mean, yeah you could be the retard who buys a Full tower case that is a monster and is way more room than you will ever humanly need or use. Or you can buy a case, that when loaded, weighs about 25 pounds, if not less. Not judging strength, but I can carry that around in a box with some other shit as well. And i'm not really Mr. Buff
User avatar #727632 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
Yes, it's entirely practical to carry a 25-pound box with you wherever you go that you might need your computer.
User avatar #727633 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Yes its entirely practical to carry your console every where you might want to play a game.

I was implying since you move so much, you could move it to your new house or apartment just as easily as a console.
User avatar #727634 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
Fair enough.
User avatar #727446 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
lel at elitism

I wouldn't be surprised if you said that PC parts can just be upgraded instead of a massive overhaul. This is true. More often than not you just need one part to be replaced. But let's not forget the turning point when you do inevitably have to do an overhaul. It's not frequent, but it does happen.

Also, it's wrong to say most new PC games are $50, because that's false. A good chunk of triple-A titles being released on PC are $60.

That's a good point you made about major holiday sales. I forgot things like Black Friday sales only apply to PC games.

Man, if only you could get great deals on console games anywhere else, similarly to how newegg has deals on PC parts. If only a place existed that had discounted console games. But y'know, that place doesn't exist anywhere.

Not all new releases on consoles are $60.

No other retailer except Steam has pre-order bonuses. Thanks for mentioning that, I almost forgot.

Oh man, major Steam sales maybe five times a year, with smaller sales throughout the year. It would be such a great idea if other retailers did this, but I guess that doesn't happen either.

On the other hand, with the increasing rate at which new tech is produced, it's not like parts quickly become outdated.

Also, a good number of people can't afford to buy a rig capable of playing every single game out there. With a console, there aren't many instances where the system isn't capable of playing a game that's released for it.

I'm not trying to say one side is better than the other. PC gaming can be cheaper at times. Console gaming can be cheaper at times. PC gaming can have sweet bonuses. Console gaming can have sweet bonuses. Arguing that one side is better than the other is like arguing about who has a cooler dad. It's dumb as shit.

Personally, I enjoy playing indie titles on my computer, because while consoles do have some good indie games, they have nowhere near the amount that PC has. On the other hand, I can't afford to have a...
User avatar #727510 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-lel k

-Yeah and "every once in while" you get blue lights of death or red ring's of death and have buy a complete new console.... Its not frequent, but it does happen. Especially at the release of a brand new console generation compared to PC's which have parts continually released.

-Ha no. At least 50% or more of PC Triple A games come out at $50. Metro Last Light, Injustice, Deus Ex HR, Batman Arkham Asylum City and Origins, Hitman Absolution, Saints Row 4, Tomb Raider, and Dead Island Riptide, just to name a few in the past about year release frame.

-Lel, I referenced Black Friday deals for newegg.com the computer part site. Since ya know, PC parts go on sale pretty fast. PS4 and Xbone will be $400 and $500 for the next 2 years, minimum.

-I can 100% guarantee you, as a owner of a PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, and PC, that no site or store gives you as ridiculous of sales as Steam(or GOG or Humble Bundle for that matter) consistently give you. No store I know has a new daily deal every day, a new midweek sale on two different games or series every week, and a weekend deal on 2+ games or series every weekend. If you can find one, please point it out to me.

-Almost always, unless you are talking arcade/indie games, which are just as cheap on PC if not cheaper. And go on much better sales more frequently.

-Lel oh yeah I forgot how Gamestop gave everyone on PS3 and Xbox a free copy of Spec Ops the Line, Bioshock 1, and Civilization V Gold for preordering Xcom Enemy Unknown at $44.99. Oh wait.... That never happened. I think they gave you like a costume for $59.99....

-Lel oh yeah. Only the Spring Sale, Easter Sale, Summer Sale, Autumn sale, Gamescom sale, Thanksgiving sale, Cybermonday sale, and Holiday sale, on top of the around 10+ "(insert developers name here) weekend!"'s that also had ridiculous sales. But lel yeah, you're totally right about only maybe 5 a year.

-Lel tell me more about the cutting edge tech in the PS4 and Xbone, that I have in my....
User avatar #727631 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I also said five major sales. Developer weekends are nowhere near as big as seasonal sales, let alone the Gamescom sale.
User avatar #727637 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Yeah, but compared to the Summer and Holiday sales of 99.9% of disc based stores, its a lot better of sales.

And the last developers weekend was like 2-3 weeks ago. Deep Silver weekend, where you could buy Dead Island Riptide for $13.99, and Saints Row 4 for $32.99. Which, last I checked, is quite a bit less than the current console prices.
User avatar #727639 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
Those aren't the current prices. Sales are temporary regardless of how you choose to buy. You can't still get those games for those prices on Steam, so it wouldn't make sense to talk about them as though they were still on sale.

That is true though, Steam has incredible sales. I won't argue against it.
User avatar #727643 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Like I said. The amount of Steam, Uplay, Origin, GOG, Humble Bundle, Amazon digital , and tons of other sites sales on games is such a crazy high amount on so many games, unless you are the most spur of the moment, "Oh I want to play this game right now at 1PM on a thursday" kind of guy, you could literally wait around a week and find a deal on exactly what you wanted. If you are talking average run of the mill "Oh you know I kind of want this game" kind of guy, it is no struggle at all.

But yeeaaaahh, absolute every day prices are technically more expensive.

Another thing to consider is the sheer amount of f2p games on PC, especially good ones.
and all those thousands of millions of mods for quite a few PC games, making it worth that extra bit of money.
User avatar #727651 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I'd take off Uplay and Origin from the list. They're not exactly great platforms, even if sales are good.

F2P games are a plus, but you also have to take into consideration how many are truly F2P, and how many are pay-to-win.

Only a handful of games (in regards to every game in existence) have mods that truly extend a game's lifespan.
User avatar #727659 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Fair point, just throwing it out there since PSN Xbox Live isn't exactly everyone's wet dream either.

Still, the amount of F2P that are truly F2P definitely out number the amount of F2P's on consoles.

And fair enough, but it depends on what games you play and what kinds of mods you like.
User avatar #727667 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I prefer the layout of Steam much more than the current layout of the PSN. I liked the last style better.

But that's something that could be said about all MMOs. Much more on PC than console.

Same thing could be said about console games. Except for the mods part.
User avatar #727630 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
To be fair, the PS3 has had significantly less system failures than the 360.

Pretty sure Dead Island: Riptide wasn't $60 on consoles.

(Compared to GameStop prices for PS3 games)
Arkham City is more on Steam.
Hitman: Absolution is more on Steam.
Tomb Raider is more on Steam.
Dead Island: Riptide is the same on Steam.

Now you might be thinking, "thedude, that's only four of the ten games I listed. That's not a very high ratio of games cheaper on consoles to games cheaper on Steam." And you would be correct to think that. On Steam, however, if you pay for a game and you don't like it, you're out of any money back you could get if you were to trade it in at GameStop. If you don't like a console game, almost 100% of the time you can trade it in for something else, or get cash back. Albeit you don't get the same amount, but if you get a new release for $60, you can trade it in for at least $30. $30 is greater than the $10 cheaper those other games are on Steam (yes, I did check. I don't think any of the games were more than $10 cheaper, but feel free to go and look for yourself if you haven't. I compared the same versions of the game, so if Steam had a GOTY edition, I looked for that edition on GameStop's website).

You're right, I wouldn't have gotten Spec Ops, Bioshock 1, or Civ V if I pre-ordered Xcom. But wait, what's this? You mean to tell me that for only $50 a year, I can get Xcom, Uncharted 3, Shadow of the Colossus, LittleBigPlanet 2, Awesomenauts, Trine 2, inFamous 2, Just Cause 2, Borderlands, Payday: The Heist, Bioshock 2, Darksiders, Sleeping Dogs, Battlefield 3, Hitman: Absolution, or any number of other games? I mean, compared to those three games you mentioned, that's nothing. (Yes, I know that some of these games are no longer available for free with PS Plus, but Xcom also isn't available for pre-order. If you choose to argue that there will be other, similar pre-order offers, keep in mind that there will be other free games on PS Plus).
User avatar #727642 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-Granted yes, but if you are talking from the beginning of the console cycle, PS3 was also $600. $300 for the slim after about 3 or 4 years, but that would mean waiting 3 or 4 years for PS4 to also go down in price, and get a slightly lower chance of hardware failure.

-Yeah, I forgot it was lower on both. $50 on consoles, $40 on PC. And you got Dead Island GOTY for free with preorder.

-As of current non sale prices, yes you are right, Steam is not always the lowest. But like I told you in the comment before, we have such a ridiculous amount of sales, that the price is almost always lower. If you are talking spur of the moment wanting to buy it now, yeah, you win there.

- The resale of games has always been a debate. I suppose that is up to personal opinion, and again, mine, from owning all consoles and a PC, is that it was almost never worth trading in games, and I usually always wanted to play the game again like 2 months later, which I would still have on Steam. Of course this also comes with educating yourself on the game, gameplay trailers and all that, but hey, not everyone feels like doing that, I understand. Even I make a bad purchase every once in while.

-I do like PSN deals, but you are also putting yourself at the mercy of Sony. There have been plenty of months where PS+ only releases some Vita games and some other mehish titles. That $50 a year can get you an awful lot on Steam sales, humble bundle, GOG, ect. deals. But yeah, of course that is opinion. Exclusives are always enjoyable for everything. There are plenty of titles on my PC I enjoy that people can't on consoles.

Also another point I had to make was backwards compatibility, since the barely had it on this last gen, and are already starting without it on the next gen. I can still play games from 2005 and back on the same PC I play brand new releases.
User avatar #727650 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
It took almost an entire generation to get experiences like The Last of Us. You can't expect the new consoles to be released and immediately be putting out high-tier experiences (in terms of the tech available).
User avatar #727652 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Oh i mean I love quite a few console exclusives, don't get me wrong. I was just saying that PC has just as many exlusives, and a bit more, that are just as high quality getting released all the time. The programming never changes so developers never have to struggle, rather than with getting used to the new consoles and programming for them.
User avatar #727653 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I don't think that's a fair argument to make. PCs get upgraded tech all the time. I was trying to say that it takes a while for console developers to see how far they can push the tech. PC-exclusive devs also have to see how far they can push new tech. They don't just immediately know what they can and can't do with the new stuff they can play with.
User avatar #727658 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
It took a not so small amount of time for PS3 and xbox 360 to "fully hit the tech." What makes you think it wont take just as long for this next gen?
and nah, PC parts are always easily changed around. A game can work on any processor from Intel Pentium to an Intel i7 to a AMD FX 8350, and work on any graphics card from different companies, and work on any motherboard from tooooons of companies, so long as they have Windows, which don't try to argue, Windows is literally on almost every single computer. Something programmed for Windows XP can work for 7 and 8, something on 7 can work on 8, and it will move on like that for a very long time.
User avatar #727661 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
That's not what I'm trying to say. You don't think a developer has to mess around with the newest parts they can get to see what they can do? If every new piece of hardware was only slightly better than the last, there's almost no point to be releasing new hardware as often as companies do. Maybe not all hardware needs to be pushed to its limits, but there is stuff that can be used to such a greater extent that the only way to see what it can do would be to test it and push it.
User avatar #727648 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
Well, as far as sales go, you don't know what will be on sale. If you wait for a sale, you could end up waiting several months for a game to be sold at a discounted price. If you eager to get a game, you might not want to wait that long.

I know you probably didn't mean it as an insult, but I do educate myself on what I get. Some games are disappointing and misleading, which wouldn't show through a trailer or gameplay released by the dev (I'm looking at you, Aliens: Colonial Marines).

Backwards compatibility is pretty nice, I'll give you that.

A new thing I'd like to introduce is local multiplayer. And I don't mean just sitting in the same room, I mean playing split-screen on the couch. While less common nowadays, there are many games that do have split-screen features, something that you can't get on PC. I'm making an argument that I know I can both win and lose. I don't think playing on separate computers, albeit in the same room, has the same effect as sitting next to a friend and playing on the same screen. That being said, I have played games sitting next to my friends while using a computer, and good times have been had. Personally though, I don't think any kind of multiplayer has the same feeling as split-screen.

Confused about what you're saying about the whole "they are equal thing." I know it's about something I said, but what? Is it that I said bickering about PC and console gaming is stupid? I stand by that. They are by no means entirely equal, but they're not drastically different.

You're talking about consoles that have been released less than a week ago. Nothing is perfect right out of the gate. If you think PC has been perfect for all this time, you've got another thing coming. As far as platforms go, look at Steam. Only recently (in the spectrum of things) has Steam garnered the reputation for being awesome. At first, it was clunky and nowhere near as great as it was now.

You need to give the new consoles time to show their power...
User avatar #727656 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-Again yeah, that is granted. Every day run of the mill are not always cheaper. They can be cheaper regularly priced, and usually are. Like you said, you only listed like 5 examples. More frequently than not they are just as cheap or cheaper on PC, of course not counting sales. There are cases like you pointed out, but its not that big of a percentage.

-Yeah it wasn't an insult. Like I said, I've made some bad purchases before as well.

-There is still local multiplayer on PC's actually. Not as much as the already pitiful amount on consoles (since you are right, its infrequent now-a-days :/ ) but still, its not something you can totally disregard.

-Still, is it really. Most people need a computer of some kind. If you put your gaming and productivity on one beast, you save money and you get a totally different thing than consoles. I can't do that much on consoles besides play games. I can do a whole lot on PC's, and not just task related, but game related, such as mods, graphics, fluidity of games, etc.

-Again, I was referring to the whole last gen even. PS3's and Xbox 360's had plenty of problems for years. PC's are at the point of where its very very hard to find some crappy part. I mean you can if you go search by shittiest ratings or what not. But if you shop smart like you would anything, car, house, whatnot, you will always have PC parts that work perfectly first time you put them together.
And yeah, Steam was shit at release in 2003. But it has majorly improved 10 fold. And nah, Steam has been known as awesome since around 2007, at least to maybe me.

- and yeah, I can't obviously do a straight judge of this new gen of consoles. Like I said though, the specs are already dated, and can be built better for the same, slightly higher, or lower price as a PC. Those specs will be like that for a long time in consoles, so I can judge that right away.
User avatar #727660 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
But that tech in the new consoles will be capable of doing so much. Taking a look at some of the games we have now, would you have expected the 360 or PS3 to be running some of the games they currently do? It's unfair to judge the consoles' tech without seeing what the future holds in terms of gaming.

Yeah, no denying a PC is capable of many things, like doing almost anything other than gaming. But a console isn't meant to do all those things, like browsing the Internet (they can do that, but it's not exactly fluid) or whatever else your computer might do.

At its core, it's supposed to play video games. If you created a computer with the sole purpose of playing video games, uninstalled everything else not necessary to functioning save for a web browser and maybe a way to watch movies/play music, I think it's safe to say you'd be buying parts that are not only unnecessary, but more expensive than what is needed to play games. If you don't understand that, just say so, I feel like the wording might be confusing.

Essentially, what I'm saying here is that if a console was supposed to do everything a PC could, don't you think the specs would be more comparable?
User avatar #727669 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-Again yeah, it can do plenty I'm sure. But it will always be limited to those specific specs, rather than PC releases. You can't really argue that developers some how manage to make the graphics card in the PS4 run games 3 times better than how it was made. It will always be the max it can reach.

-Thats why I brought it up. Since you most likely buy a PC anyways, why not just forget the console and buy a better PC that can game and do your PC stuff.

-Wut, yeah please reword haha. From what I am reading, you think some PC parts are unneccisary if you only game, which is completely false. A console has all the parts a PC has, only they have limits on them for widespread manufacturing and sales. The only difference is the OS, which is very limited to games on consoles, while PC can do a whole lot more.

-And no. Consoles are meant to be cheap PC's strictly for gaming and for widespread manufacturing and sales. Look at the Steam Boxes for example. They are fucking expensive as fuck. But thats because they have a ton of different parts in them to do a whole range of things, rather than consoles. And they will have less sales for being more expensive. All microsoft and Sony want to do is make a cheap box to sell their exclusive games and content on. I mean the consoles are already sold at a loss, what other reason would they have to keep the prices low?
User avatar #727683 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I don't think that's true. For the time being, it won't be the max because it hasn't been pushed. It's a counter-intuitive thought, but it's true. There has to be extensive testing to see the full capabilities. I'll use the argument of The Last of Us again. TLoU looks nothing like the beginning of the PS3's generation. The PS3's specs were known, but their full capabilities weren't truly understood.

I do a lot of PC gaming compared to what I used to do. I'm not playing huge games on my computer. I don't prefer PC over console, or vice versa. Each has their exclusives that draw me to them. I wouldn't be able to bring a desktop with me. For reasons I don't want to talk about, I wouldn't be able to, and it wouldn't be practical. I understand the whole thing about not being extremely heavy, but with the other things I do have to bring with me, it wouldn't be practical. I play all my PC games on this laptop, and so far I've had almost no problems, as far as specs go.

I may be wrong about this, so I'm just going off what seems logical. Let's say that to play games, a PC and a console need Part A. Part A comes in 2A, 3A, and 4A. A console has Part 2A. A console only plays game. A PC can use any of the three parts, but most people use 4A because a PC can do so much else, and it would do that stuff better with 4A. But something's changed, and you only want to play games with it. It wouldn't make sense to keep using 4A, because it's much more expensive than a 2A. The console runs games near perfectly with a 2A, and that's all you want your PC to do. Wouldn't it make sense to buy a 2A and save money instead of paying more for something you don't need? If that still doesn't get the general idea across, I'll try again.

You're touching upon what I'm trying to convey. A console is meant to be a strictly-gaming PC. Knowing that, read what I said above and see if you get it then.
User avatar #728184 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-No matter how much they "push the graphics" or whatever, it can not be better than the tech itself I am saying. You can not take an old floppy disc and say "You know today I'm going to make this hold 500 GB of data." You can only put the max amount of data on that floppy disc. Same with any tech. If your graphics card can only handle 14 thousand shaders, then you aren't going to "push it" to 15 thousand. Can you do good with 14k? Yes. Can you do better with 15k or 20k, or 50k? Yes.

-Like I said, if it is practical to carry your console around somewhere, it is just as simple to bring your desktop there.

-Thats the point of different parts on PC. If, for example, I only want to play games on high at 60+fps on at 1080p, I can get the parts for that and be happy. Now if someone else wants to run 6 monitors at 4k resolution on maximum, they can also get the parts for that and be happy. Thats the whole gimmick of PC. Getting better performances, mods, graphics, etc. Otherwise why wouldn't we all have the same box for games? Why would there even be a debate between the consoles, or against consoles and PC capabilities?

-The point is that if a console is just a weak broad based PC that can't perform as well as just a PC you build yourself for a similar price, why even just settle with the console? If I can do all my activities on one device, why would I even bother bringing out multiple devices for each individual activity I want to do? I mean the basic point I am trying to get across is: why be restricted?
User avatar #727569 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-.... that I have in my PC from 2009. Oh yeah, its supposed to last you for 8+ years.

-See my little tidbit comment about 2 up, about the $800 or $1100 you spend on the console. Yeah, uh, that buys a pretty fucking great PC. My last PC(from 2009 that I bought on Ebay for $500) still runs Skyrim at 60+ FPS at 1080p on High graphics. Ps4 already barely holds at a solid locked 60 fps at 1080p at maybe medium graphics. Xbone already drops to 720p at 30fps.

-Uh nah. Once again thats just your opinion on the argument. I already showed you how it can be cheaper. Already runs games better, Already has better specs. But yeah sure, "they are equal." No offence, but people like you usually only say that because they want to buy a next gen console because some friends said they were.

-And yeah. Much more Indie titles.
#727390 - averagewhitekid (11/19/2013) [-]
Sorry for the novel, but yeah
had to make a point
#727381 - I replace paying for Xbox Live or PSPlus with paying your ISP.  [+] (32 new replies) 11/19/2013 on Video Games Board - console... 0
User avatar #727384 - averagewhitekid (11/19/2013) [-]
wut
you have to pay for that regardless of whether you buy Live or PS Plus or Steam
sooo
doesn't really apply
User avatar #727385 - thedudeistheman (11/19/2013) [-]
You don't have to pay to use Steam.

My bad, lapse in judgment. But $50 a year for PSPlus is nothing. That's less than most new releases.
#727388 - averagewhitekid (11/19/2013) [-]
I always see that argument
so I went ahead and calculated it out anyways
For PS4 side:
$400 for base
+$50 every year
Since This console generation is already aiming up to be a bare minimum of 8 years, thats 8 times $50, which comes out to the whopping total of $400
So ps4 for this whole generation is $800, which is turn, is mooorrreeee than enough to buy a great/even better than great PC.

XBox edition:
$500 for base
$60 a year
Microsoft has already commented they want the One to last for 10 motherfucking years. Thats $600 right out of your wallet JUST TO CONNECT TO OTHERS.
$1100 for the console that is already fucking outdated ten fold, which is already a fantastic PC.

Both of these are of course not considering any console replacements, replacements of controllers, the shitty console game prices you will have to live with for the next 8+ years, and ect. There are obviously PC replacements and hardware failure, but it is at a far smaller scale, since all you have to do is take proper care of your PC and clean it with some air cans every once in while. Which ya know, doesn't void your warrenties on the parts, unlike if you tried to open a console and give it a decent cleaning.
Also there is the fact that once you buy your console, ya gonna want some games with it. New release on consoles are always $60, and PC has most of the time $50 new release games. Even cheaper if you preorder earlier on Steam, and you can even get some sweet preorder deals

But yeah, think about all the sweat savory Steam deals we get, and how much that saves PC gamers on games through out the whole next generation.
Think about all those savory newegg.com deals on PC parts, practically throwing parts at you once a month, let alone if you have some major holiday (hint hint, Thanksgiving, Black Friday, Cyber Monday, Christmas). And you can use those to build your awesome PC for cheap, and maybe even upgrade later on.

Seriously though
uh
console gaming
is not cheaper
User avatar #727449 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
... big PC gaming rig because I'm moving a lot, and it's not practical to move a desktop with you everywhere you go.
User avatar #727581 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
I mean, yeah you could be the retard who buys a Full tower case that is a monster and is way more room than you will ever humanly need or use. Or you can buy a case, that when loaded, weighs about 25 pounds, if not less. Not judging strength, but I can carry that around in a box with some other shit as well. And i'm not really Mr. Buff
User avatar #727632 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
Yes, it's entirely practical to carry a 25-pound box with you wherever you go that you might need your computer.
User avatar #727633 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Yes its entirely practical to carry your console every where you might want to play a game.

I was implying since you move so much, you could move it to your new house or apartment just as easily as a console.
User avatar #727634 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
Fair enough.
User avatar #727446 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
lel at elitism

I wouldn't be surprised if you said that PC parts can just be upgraded instead of a massive overhaul. This is true. More often than not you just need one part to be replaced. But let's not forget the turning point when you do inevitably have to do an overhaul. It's not frequent, but it does happen.

Also, it's wrong to say most new PC games are $50, because that's false. A good chunk of triple-A titles being released on PC are $60.

That's a good point you made about major holiday sales. I forgot things like Black Friday sales only apply to PC games.

Man, if only you could get great deals on console games anywhere else, similarly to how newegg has deals on PC parts. If only a place existed that had discounted console games. But y'know, that place doesn't exist anywhere.

Not all new releases on consoles are $60.

No other retailer except Steam has pre-order bonuses. Thanks for mentioning that, I almost forgot.

Oh man, major Steam sales maybe five times a year, with smaller sales throughout the year. It would be such a great idea if other retailers did this, but I guess that doesn't happen either.

On the other hand, with the increasing rate at which new tech is produced, it's not like parts quickly become outdated.

Also, a good number of people can't afford to buy a rig capable of playing every single game out there. With a console, there aren't many instances where the system isn't capable of playing a game that's released for it.

I'm not trying to say one side is better than the other. PC gaming can be cheaper at times. Console gaming can be cheaper at times. PC gaming can have sweet bonuses. Console gaming can have sweet bonuses. Arguing that one side is better than the other is like arguing about who has a cooler dad. It's dumb as shit.

Personally, I enjoy playing indie titles on my computer, because while consoles do have some good indie games, they have nowhere near the amount that PC has. On the other hand, I can't afford to have a...
User avatar #727510 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-lel k

-Yeah and "every once in while" you get blue lights of death or red ring's of death and have buy a complete new console.... Its not frequent, but it does happen. Especially at the release of a brand new console generation compared to PC's which have parts continually released.

-Ha no. At least 50% or more of PC Triple A games come out at $50. Metro Last Light, Injustice, Deus Ex HR, Batman Arkham Asylum City and Origins, Hitman Absolution, Saints Row 4, Tomb Raider, and Dead Island Riptide, just to name a few in the past about year release frame.

-Lel, I referenced Black Friday deals for newegg.com the computer part site. Since ya know, PC parts go on sale pretty fast. PS4 and Xbone will be $400 and $500 for the next 2 years, minimum.

-I can 100% guarantee you, as a owner of a PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, and PC, that no site or store gives you as ridiculous of sales as Steam(or GOG or Humble Bundle for that matter) consistently give you. No store I know has a new daily deal every day, a new midweek sale on two different games or series every week, and a weekend deal on 2+ games or series every weekend. If you can find one, please point it out to me.

-Almost always, unless you are talking arcade/indie games, which are just as cheap on PC if not cheaper. And go on much better sales more frequently.

-Lel oh yeah I forgot how Gamestop gave everyone on PS3 and Xbox a free copy of Spec Ops the Line, Bioshock 1, and Civilization V Gold for preordering Xcom Enemy Unknown at $44.99. Oh wait.... That never happened. I think they gave you like a costume for $59.99....

-Lel oh yeah. Only the Spring Sale, Easter Sale, Summer Sale, Autumn sale, Gamescom sale, Thanksgiving sale, Cybermonday sale, and Holiday sale, on top of the around 10+ "(insert developers name here) weekend!"'s that also had ridiculous sales. But lel yeah, you're totally right about only maybe 5 a year.

-Lel tell me more about the cutting edge tech in the PS4 and Xbone, that I have in my....
User avatar #727631 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I also said five major sales. Developer weekends are nowhere near as big as seasonal sales, let alone the Gamescom sale.
User avatar #727637 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Yeah, but compared to the Summer and Holiday sales of 99.9% of disc based stores, its a lot better of sales.

And the last developers weekend was like 2-3 weeks ago. Deep Silver weekend, where you could buy Dead Island Riptide for $13.99, and Saints Row 4 for $32.99. Which, last I checked, is quite a bit less than the current console prices.
User avatar #727639 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
Those aren't the current prices. Sales are temporary regardless of how you choose to buy. You can't still get those games for those prices on Steam, so it wouldn't make sense to talk about them as though they were still on sale.

That is true though, Steam has incredible sales. I won't argue against it.
User avatar #727643 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Like I said. The amount of Steam, Uplay, Origin, GOG, Humble Bundle, Amazon digital , and tons of other sites sales on games is such a crazy high amount on so many games, unless you are the most spur of the moment, "Oh I want to play this game right now at 1PM on a thursday" kind of guy, you could literally wait around a week and find a deal on exactly what you wanted. If you are talking average run of the mill "Oh you know I kind of want this game" kind of guy, it is no struggle at all.

But yeeaaaahh, absolute every day prices are technically more expensive.

Another thing to consider is the sheer amount of f2p games on PC, especially good ones.
and all those thousands of millions of mods for quite a few PC games, making it worth that extra bit of money.
User avatar #727651 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I'd take off Uplay and Origin from the list. They're not exactly great platforms, even if sales are good.

F2P games are a plus, but you also have to take into consideration how many are truly F2P, and how many are pay-to-win.

Only a handful of games (in regards to every game in existence) have mods that truly extend a game's lifespan.
User avatar #727659 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Fair point, just throwing it out there since PSN Xbox Live isn't exactly everyone's wet dream either.

Still, the amount of F2P that are truly F2P definitely out number the amount of F2P's on consoles.

And fair enough, but it depends on what games you play and what kinds of mods you like.
User avatar #727667 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I prefer the layout of Steam much more than the current layout of the PSN. I liked the last style better.

But that's something that could be said about all MMOs. Much more on PC than console.

Same thing could be said about console games. Except for the mods part.
User avatar #727630 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
To be fair, the PS3 has had significantly less system failures than the 360.

Pretty sure Dead Island: Riptide wasn't $60 on consoles.

(Compared to GameStop prices for PS3 games)
Arkham City is more on Steam.
Hitman: Absolution is more on Steam.
Tomb Raider is more on Steam.
Dead Island: Riptide is the same on Steam.

Now you might be thinking, "thedude, that's only four of the ten games I listed. That's not a very high ratio of games cheaper on consoles to games cheaper on Steam." And you would be correct to think that. On Steam, however, if you pay for a game and you don't like it, you're out of any money back you could get if you were to trade it in at GameStop. If you don't like a console game, almost 100% of the time you can trade it in for something else, or get cash back. Albeit you don't get the same amount, but if you get a new release for $60, you can trade it in for at least $30. $30 is greater than the $10 cheaper those other games are on Steam (yes, I did check. I don't think any of the games were more than $10 cheaper, but feel free to go and look for yourself if you haven't. I compared the same versions of the game, so if Steam had a GOTY edition, I looked for that edition on GameStop's website).

You're right, I wouldn't have gotten Spec Ops, Bioshock 1, or Civ V if I pre-ordered Xcom. But wait, what's this? You mean to tell me that for only $50 a year, I can get Xcom, Uncharted 3, Shadow of the Colossus, LittleBigPlanet 2, Awesomenauts, Trine 2, inFamous 2, Just Cause 2, Borderlands, Payday: The Heist, Bioshock 2, Darksiders, Sleeping Dogs, Battlefield 3, Hitman: Absolution, or any number of other games? I mean, compared to those three games you mentioned, that's nothing. (Yes, I know that some of these games are no longer available for free with PS Plus, but Xcom also isn't available for pre-order. If you choose to argue that there will be other, similar pre-order offers, keep in mind that there will be other free games on PS Plus).
User avatar #727642 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-Granted yes, but if you are talking from the beginning of the console cycle, PS3 was also $600. $300 for the slim after about 3 or 4 years, but that would mean waiting 3 or 4 years for PS4 to also go down in price, and get a slightly lower chance of hardware failure.

-Yeah, I forgot it was lower on both. $50 on consoles, $40 on PC. And you got Dead Island GOTY for free with preorder.

-As of current non sale prices, yes you are right, Steam is not always the lowest. But like I told you in the comment before, we have such a ridiculous amount of sales, that the price is almost always lower. If you are talking spur of the moment wanting to buy it now, yeah, you win there.

- The resale of games has always been a debate. I suppose that is up to personal opinion, and again, mine, from owning all consoles and a PC, is that it was almost never worth trading in games, and I usually always wanted to play the game again like 2 months later, which I would still have on Steam. Of course this also comes with educating yourself on the game, gameplay trailers and all that, but hey, not everyone feels like doing that, I understand. Even I make a bad purchase every once in while.

-I do like PSN deals, but you are also putting yourself at the mercy of Sony. There have been plenty of months where PS+ only releases some Vita games and some other mehish titles. That $50 a year can get you an awful lot on Steam sales, humble bundle, GOG, ect. deals. But yeah, of course that is opinion. Exclusives are always enjoyable for everything. There are plenty of titles on my PC I enjoy that people can't on consoles.

Also another point I had to make was backwards compatibility, since the barely had it on this last gen, and are already starting without it on the next gen. I can still play games from 2005 and back on the same PC I play brand new releases.
User avatar #727650 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
It took almost an entire generation to get experiences like The Last of Us. You can't expect the new consoles to be released and immediately be putting out high-tier experiences (in terms of the tech available).
User avatar #727652 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
Oh i mean I love quite a few console exclusives, don't get me wrong. I was just saying that PC has just as many exlusives, and a bit more, that are just as high quality getting released all the time. The programming never changes so developers never have to struggle, rather than with getting used to the new consoles and programming for them.
User avatar #727653 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I don't think that's a fair argument to make. PCs get upgraded tech all the time. I was trying to say that it takes a while for console developers to see how far they can push the tech. PC-exclusive devs also have to see how far they can push new tech. They don't just immediately know what they can and can't do with the new stuff they can play with.
User avatar #727658 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
It took a not so small amount of time for PS3 and xbox 360 to "fully hit the tech." What makes you think it wont take just as long for this next gen?
and nah, PC parts are always easily changed around. A game can work on any processor from Intel Pentium to an Intel i7 to a AMD FX 8350, and work on any graphics card from different companies, and work on any motherboard from tooooons of companies, so long as they have Windows, which don't try to argue, Windows is literally on almost every single computer. Something programmed for Windows XP can work for 7 and 8, something on 7 can work on 8, and it will move on like that for a very long time.
User avatar #727661 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
That's not what I'm trying to say. You don't think a developer has to mess around with the newest parts they can get to see what they can do? If every new piece of hardware was only slightly better than the last, there's almost no point to be releasing new hardware as often as companies do. Maybe not all hardware needs to be pushed to its limits, but there is stuff that can be used to such a greater extent that the only way to see what it can do would be to test it and push it.
User avatar #727648 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
Well, as far as sales go, you don't know what will be on sale. If you wait for a sale, you could end up waiting several months for a game to be sold at a discounted price. If you eager to get a game, you might not want to wait that long.

I know you probably didn't mean it as an insult, but I do educate myself on what I get. Some games are disappointing and misleading, which wouldn't show through a trailer or gameplay released by the dev (I'm looking at you, Aliens: Colonial Marines).

Backwards compatibility is pretty nice, I'll give you that.

A new thing I'd like to introduce is local multiplayer. And I don't mean just sitting in the same room, I mean playing split-screen on the couch. While less common nowadays, there are many games that do have split-screen features, something that you can't get on PC. I'm making an argument that I know I can both win and lose. I don't think playing on separate computers, albeit in the same room, has the same effect as sitting next to a friend and playing on the same screen. That being said, I have played games sitting next to my friends while using a computer, and good times have been had. Personally though, I don't think any kind of multiplayer has the same feeling as split-screen.

Confused about what you're saying about the whole "they are equal thing." I know it's about something I said, but what? Is it that I said bickering about PC and console gaming is stupid? I stand by that. They are by no means entirely equal, but they're not drastically different.

You're talking about consoles that have been released less than a week ago. Nothing is perfect right out of the gate. If you think PC has been perfect for all this time, you've got another thing coming. As far as platforms go, look at Steam. Only recently (in the spectrum of things) has Steam garnered the reputation for being awesome. At first, it was clunky and nowhere near as great as it was now.

You need to give the new consoles time to show their power...
User avatar #727656 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-Again yeah, that is granted. Every day run of the mill are not always cheaper. They can be cheaper regularly priced, and usually are. Like you said, you only listed like 5 examples. More frequently than not they are just as cheap or cheaper on PC, of course not counting sales. There are cases like you pointed out, but its not that big of a percentage.

-Yeah it wasn't an insult. Like I said, I've made some bad purchases before as well.

-There is still local multiplayer on PC's actually. Not as much as the already pitiful amount on consoles (since you are right, its infrequent now-a-days :/ ) but still, its not something you can totally disregard.

-Still, is it really. Most people need a computer of some kind. If you put your gaming and productivity on one beast, you save money and you get a totally different thing than consoles. I can't do that much on consoles besides play games. I can do a whole lot on PC's, and not just task related, but game related, such as mods, graphics, fluidity of games, etc.

-Again, I was referring to the whole last gen even. PS3's and Xbox 360's had plenty of problems for years. PC's are at the point of where its very very hard to find some crappy part. I mean you can if you go search by shittiest ratings or what not. But if you shop smart like you would anything, car, house, whatnot, you will always have PC parts that work perfectly first time you put them together.
And yeah, Steam was shit at release in 2003. But it has majorly improved 10 fold. And nah, Steam has been known as awesome since around 2007, at least to maybe me.

- and yeah, I can't obviously do a straight judge of this new gen of consoles. Like I said though, the specs are already dated, and can be built better for the same, slightly higher, or lower price as a PC. Those specs will be like that for a long time in consoles, so I can judge that right away.
User avatar #727660 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
But that tech in the new consoles will be capable of doing so much. Taking a look at some of the games we have now, would you have expected the 360 or PS3 to be running some of the games they currently do? It's unfair to judge the consoles' tech without seeing what the future holds in terms of gaming.

Yeah, no denying a PC is capable of many things, like doing almost anything other than gaming. But a console isn't meant to do all those things, like browsing the Internet (they can do that, but it's not exactly fluid) or whatever else your computer might do.

At its core, it's supposed to play video games. If you created a computer with the sole purpose of playing video games, uninstalled everything else not necessary to functioning save for a web browser and maybe a way to watch movies/play music, I think it's safe to say you'd be buying parts that are not only unnecessary, but more expensive than what is needed to play games. If you don't understand that, just say so, I feel like the wording might be confusing.

Essentially, what I'm saying here is that if a console was supposed to do everything a PC could, don't you think the specs would be more comparable?
User avatar #727669 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-Again yeah, it can do plenty I'm sure. But it will always be limited to those specific specs, rather than PC releases. You can't really argue that developers some how manage to make the graphics card in the PS4 run games 3 times better than how it was made. It will always be the max it can reach.

-Thats why I brought it up. Since you most likely buy a PC anyways, why not just forget the console and buy a better PC that can game and do your PC stuff.

-Wut, yeah please reword haha. From what I am reading, you think some PC parts are unneccisary if you only game, which is completely false. A console has all the parts a PC has, only they have limits on them for widespread manufacturing and sales. The only difference is the OS, which is very limited to games on consoles, while PC can do a whole lot more.

-And no. Consoles are meant to be cheap PC's strictly for gaming and for widespread manufacturing and sales. Look at the Steam Boxes for example. They are fucking expensive as fuck. But thats because they have a ton of different parts in them to do a whole range of things, rather than consoles. And they will have less sales for being more expensive. All microsoft and Sony want to do is make a cheap box to sell their exclusive games and content on. I mean the consoles are already sold at a loss, what other reason would they have to keep the prices low?
User avatar #727683 - thedudeistheman (11/20/2013) [-]
I don't think that's true. For the time being, it won't be the max because it hasn't been pushed. It's a counter-intuitive thought, but it's true. There has to be extensive testing to see the full capabilities. I'll use the argument of The Last of Us again. TLoU looks nothing like the beginning of the PS3's generation. The PS3's specs were known, but their full capabilities weren't truly understood.

I do a lot of PC gaming compared to what I used to do. I'm not playing huge games on my computer. I don't prefer PC over console, or vice versa. Each has their exclusives that draw me to them. I wouldn't be able to bring a desktop with me. For reasons I don't want to talk about, I wouldn't be able to, and it wouldn't be practical. I understand the whole thing about not being extremely heavy, but with the other things I do have to bring with me, it wouldn't be practical. I play all my PC games on this laptop, and so far I've had almost no problems, as far as specs go.

I may be wrong about this, so I'm just going off what seems logical. Let's say that to play games, a PC and a console need Part A. Part A comes in 2A, 3A, and 4A. A console has Part 2A. A console only plays game. A PC can use any of the three parts, but most people use 4A because a PC can do so much else, and it would do that stuff better with 4A. But something's changed, and you only want to play games with it. It wouldn't make sense to keep using 4A, because it's much more expensive than a 2A. The console runs games near perfectly with a 2A, and that's all you want your PC to do. Wouldn't it make sense to buy a 2A and save money instead of paying more for something you don't need? If that still doesn't get the general idea across, I'll try again.

You're touching upon what I'm trying to convey. A console is meant to be a strictly-gaming PC. Knowing that, read what I said above and see if you get it then.
User avatar #728184 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-No matter how much they "push the graphics" or whatever, it can not be better than the tech itself I am saying. You can not take an old floppy disc and say "You know today I'm going to make this hold 500 GB of data." You can only put the max amount of data on that floppy disc. Same with any tech. If your graphics card can only handle 14 thousand shaders, then you aren't going to "push it" to 15 thousand. Can you do good with 14k? Yes. Can you do better with 15k or 20k, or 50k? Yes.

-Like I said, if it is practical to carry your console around somewhere, it is just as simple to bring your desktop there.

-Thats the point of different parts on PC. If, for example, I only want to play games on high at 60+fps on at 1080p, I can get the parts for that and be happy. Now if someone else wants to run 6 monitors at 4k resolution on maximum, they can also get the parts for that and be happy. Thats the whole gimmick of PC. Getting better performances, mods, graphics, etc. Otherwise why wouldn't we all have the same box for games? Why would there even be a debate between the consoles, or against consoles and PC capabilities?

-The point is that if a console is just a weak broad based PC that can't perform as well as just a PC you build yourself for a similar price, why even just settle with the console? If I can do all my activities on one device, why would I even bother bringing out multiple devices for each individual activity I want to do? I mean the basic point I am trying to get across is: why be restricted?
User avatar #727569 - averagewhitekid (11/20/2013) [-]
-.... that I have in my PC from 2009. Oh yeah, its supposed to last you for 8+ years.

-See my little tidbit comment about 2 up, about the $800 or $1100 you spend on the console. Yeah, uh, that buys a pretty fucking great PC. My last PC(from 2009 that I bought on Ebay for $500) still runs Skyrim at 60+ FPS at 1080p on High graphics. Ps4 already barely holds at a solid locked 60 fps at 1080p at maybe medium graphics. Xbone already drops to 720p at 30fps.

-Uh nah. Once again thats just your opinion on the argument. I already showed you how it can be cheaper. Already runs games better, Already has better specs. But yeah sure, "they are equal." No offence, but people like you usually only say that because they want to buy a next gen console because some friends said they were.

-And yeah. Much more Indie titles.
#727390 - averagewhitekid (11/19/2013) [-]
Sorry for the novel, but yeah
had to make a point
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User avatar #727352 - mondominiman (11/19/2013) [-]
HIS Radeon HD 7850 $140
FX8350 8 core Black Edition on stock cooling, for now $180
4GB Crucial DDR3 1600MHZ $50
ASUS Micro ATX AM3+ MOBO $40
Win7 OEM $90
600W Diablotek PSU $30
WD 1TB HDD 7200RPM $50
Plus a decent non flashy case and its around the same price as the xbox maybe slightly more and it's can play games on high/max
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User avatar #126 - instalation (06/25/2014) [-]
hello. I was wondering if you would like to form a bond of friendship.
User avatar #127 to #126 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (06/25/2014) [-]
Would I have to fill out any paperwork?
User avatar #129 to #128 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (06/26/2014) [-]
Can I get it by fax?
User avatar #131 to #130 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (06/26/2014) [-]
Well then, after getting the paperwork done, the bond shall be established.
User avatar #101 - instalation (03/28/2014) [-]
hey
User avatar #102 to #101 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
Hello. Not trying to be rude, but, uh, how exactly did you get to my profile?
User avatar #103 to #102 - instalation (03/28/2014) [-]
www.funnyjunk.com/advice/62281#62281



I just wanted to say thank you.
User avatar #104 to #103 - instalation (03/28/2014) [-]
Anyway, I'll be off now. Cya.
User avatar #105 to #104 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
I remember this. It was no problem at all. I was just trying to help. If you don't mind me asking, are you okay? What happened?
User avatar #106 to #105 - instalation (03/28/2014) [-]
I'm pretty okay. It's been nearly a year but I think I'm finally about to actually drop him. I've decided on it now, and I'm pretty okay with the idea.

I just feel like I should have thanked you for your help and stuff.
User avatar #107 to #106 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
I wish you only the best of luck. You deserve happiness, and especially to be treated well.

I appreciate that, but you really don't have to. We shouldn't have had to talk about that, but unfortunately, there are people in the world who abuse others. I just wanted to lend a hand. I'm glad I could help.
User avatar #108 to #107 - instalation (03/28/2014) [-]
Thank you.
To be honest I don't know what else to really say..
User avatar #110 to #108 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
Oh, hey, just as a side note, my offer still stands if you ever need to talk. But yeah, I hope everything works out well.
User avatar #111 to #110 - instalation (03/28/2014) [-]
I was just planning on stopping by. I might come back later. I just felt that thanks was in order
User avatar #112 to #111 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
Okay, no problem. I'll be here if you do decide to come back for a chat. Again, it was really no trouble at all, but I appreciate the fact that you came back after nearly a year to thank me for that. It does mean a lot to me.
User avatar #109 to #108 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (03/28/2014) [-]
That's okay. It's sort of hard to transition from the previous topic. I understand you might have planned to just stop by quickly, so if you'd like to go, I just want to say it was nice hearing from you again, and that you're okay. Again, best of luck to you.
User avatar #96 to #95 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (11/06/2013) [-]
Yes, I see, yes.

After a full analysis of the content shown above, I have come to a single question: What is this?
User avatar #97 to #96 - revengeforfreeze (11/06/2013) [-]
I have no idea honestly
It's print screen taken from this video I watched

It's pretty funny I'll link it to you
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M_9gtmMZpk
User avatar #98 to #97 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (11/06/2013) [-]
I'm not quite sure what to make of that.
User avatar #99 to #98 - revengeforfreeze (11/06/2013) [-]
The video? Me neither. It's just cool.
User avatar #100 to #99 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (11/06/2013) [-]
Can't disagree with you there.
User avatar #115 to #100 - revengeforfreeze (04/22/2014) [-]
It's been like, 6 months, damn. Time goes by too damn quickly... How was your life when I posted this and how is it today?
User avatar #116 to #115 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (04/22/2014) [-]
Well it was good then, and it's good now. Thanks for asking. How's yours been, and how was it then?
User avatar #117 to #116 - revengeforfreeze (04/23/2014) [-]
That's great, man. Anything new except for the thoughts about ocd?
Ive been a bit confused but else great
User avatar #118 to #117 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (04/23/2014) [-]
No, nothing in particular. Just school work and some other things. Mind if I ask what you're confused about?
User avatar #119 to #118 - revengeforfreeze (04/23/2014) [-]
School is hard isn't it?
Also yeah I think I am confused about my fluctuating mood
User avatar #120 to #119 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (04/23/2014) [-]
Eh, sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.
Any ideas for what could be causing it?
User avatar #121 to #120 - revengeforfreeze (04/23/2014) [-]
Hiw about now
Music probably
User avatar #122 to #121 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (04/23/2014) [-]
It's good. Been getting more homework than usual, though, but that happens sometimes.
That must be some intense music.
User avatar #123 to #122 - revengeforfreeze (04/23/2014) [-]
It's for a good cause though the future. Lol cheesy
It is, this particular song is called sterile nails and thunderbowels and every time it makesme feel an eemotional storm..
User avatar #124 to #123 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (04/23/2014) [-]
Is it a good song at least?
User avatar #125 to #124 - revengeforfreeze (04/23/2014) [-]
I think.it is. Took me a while to get used to the vocals but they massively add on to the experience of despair.
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User avatar #90 to #89 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (11/03/2013) [-]
I've watched it.

It was interesting. Being that it's experimental and has come from the creativity of your own mind, I can't even begin to imagine what it could represent, if anything at all. But I like it.
User avatar #91 to #90 - tvfreakuk (11/03/2013) [-]
At the moment what is there means pretty much nothing in terms of the visuals meaning.
But as the original premise was coming from my fear of procrastination, what I'm wanting it to be is that it's simply something I've made, that I can say I've made and can be proud of, show people, and have actually achieved something... And I guess that's the meaning
User avatar #92 to #91 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (11/03/2013) [-]
I understand what you're saying. Good luck with the rest of the video. Judging from this, I'm sure it'll turn out very well, even if it's nothing like this part.
User avatar #93 to #92 - tvfreakuk (11/03/2013) [-]
Yeah I'm currently working with Paper Mache in stop-motion of a moving eye with the lighting superimposed on top.
In a way, it's going to be about the procrastination thing again (with the eye being "distracted" by the lights) but it just makes it interesting visuals, rather than the narrative I had before about the computer that was just getting a little complicated
User avatar #94 to #93 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (11/03/2013) [-]
That sounds like it'll be really interesting. Best of luck.
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User avatar #88 to #87 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (10/28/2013) [-]
That sounds great! Sounds like, when completed, it would be worthy of a festival run.
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User avatar #82 to #80 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (10/11/2013) [-]
I do remember. Maybe I'll be able to catch it at a festival. Seeing as this is now the case, if it does get played at any festivals, can you let me know which ones?
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User avatar #84 to #83 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (10/11/2013) [-]
I'd been thinking about going to some festivals with some friends anyway. Your film might coincidentally be playing at said festival.
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User avatar #86 to #85 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (10/11/2013) [-]
I live near New York City and the surrounding areas, so I'd most likely be going to a festival in or near the city.
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User avatar #68 - zaxzwim ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
you still doing those minecraft story things?
User avatar #69 to #68 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
Not at the moment, no. I can't think of any other good ones to share.
User avatar #70 to #69 - zaxzwim ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
and you said something about having a server?
User avatar #71 to #70 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
I used to have one up. I plan on creating a new one, but I haven't found the time to do so. Enabling the port forwarding on my router requires a reboot, and I don't know when I'd be able to do that without interrupting others.
User avatar #72 to #71 - zaxzwim ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
no one has played on my server for about 2 months now
User avatar #73 to #72 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
I'll join you sometime if you want. I haven't found a good server in a while.
User avatar #74 to #73 - zaxzwim ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
it's on FTB at the moment
User avatar #75 to #74 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
I am unfamiliar with FTB.
User avatar #76 to #75 - zaxzwim ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
never played any of the feed the beast mod packs? have you played tekkit before?
User avatar #77 to #76 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
No and no. At most I've messed around with some Bukkit plugins, but the server I used to host was either Bukkit or Vanilla with some client-side mods (TMI, any number of flying mods, maybe OptiFine).
User avatar #78 to #77 - zaxzwim ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
well your in for a world of confusion then
User avatar #79 to #78 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (09/07/2013) [-]
I've seen in-depth Tekkit stuff before, but I have no idea how to do or use any of it. But hey, you can't learn if you don't mess around with it.
User avatar #66 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (08/12/2013) [-]
georgeojffs BlakHoleSun

The following events took place on what I believe was the first server I ever hosted.

> Myself, Scooby Doo, and another kid are playing (we'll call that kid Goaty)
> Goaty is doing something far away from the town we built up (this was probably around Beta 1.2 or very close to that, so we couldn't hijack pre-built towns)
> Scooby Doo and I decide to have some fun
> Go into Goaty's house
> Place TNT under one single block in his house
> Put pressure pads on every single block in his house to trick him
> Goaty comes back
> "What is this?"
> Tell him it's just a game
> "No, you guys put TNT under my house."
> The jig is up but he still hasn't activated the TNT yet
> Goaty starts breaking all the pressure pads
> **** , we didn't anticipate this
> Get nervous that he won't blow up his own house
> He breaks the pressure pad he was supposed to step on
> I replace it
> At the time, he would always hit you the same number of times you hit him
> I punch him once
> I turn around and start running
> I step on the pressure pad to activate the TNT
> Scooby Doo sees this
> **** is going down
> We both rush out of the house
> Goaty just barely makes it
> Kaboom ************
> His house explodes
> Turn around to observe the damage
> 95% of it is gone
> Only some of the sides remain
> "WHY DID YOU GUYS DO THAT?"
> Tell him he stepped on the pressure pad and blew it up
> Goaty rages
> Scooby Doo and I head off somewhere else
> Goaty destroys the museum we made and some other stuff
> Looking back on it, we did deserve it
> To this day, whenever it comes up, I still tell him that it was his fault
> Don't know if he knows the truth or not

Kinda short, but still one of my favorite experiences in the game. If wanted, I have one last story I could share.
User avatar #67 to #66 - georgeojffs (08/13/2013) [-]
hahahahaha man you have some good friends to play with
User avatar #61 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (08/11/2013) [-]
hammarhead georgeojffs BlakHoleSun

The following events took place on a server I used to run but unfortunately lost the world file for.

> Myself, Scooby Doo, HGA, and Friend A are online
> It's pretty much always just us
> We all wanted to try messing around with Bukkit, so I boot up a Bukkit server with a few plugins
> Have this one plugin that has a ******* of commands
> Scooby Doo and I decide to try them all
> At the moment, only he and I are OP-ed
> Go out into the desert to mess around so it doesn't affect the town
> Find one command that lets you spawn huge balls of material
> Let's try it out
> Spawn a huge ball of sponge
> Neato
> Decide to spawn an even bigger ball of water or ice or smething
> Probably has a radius of 50 or larger
> Entire server lags out
> Less than 1 FPS
> Even the town gets a lag spike for a few minutes
> After eventually getting back to town, the lag dies down
> Call that area "The Forbidden Lands" and never return to it
> Don't let it stop us from ******* around
> Move to unpopulated jungle-like area (jungles weren't a biome yet)
> Find a command called "delchunk" or something
> Gee I have no idea what this could do
> Decide to test it where Scooby Doo is standing
> Nothing happens
> "Maybe it doesn't work or something."
> Suddenly entire chunk disappears and he falls all the way through the world
> We share a hearty laugh for a minute or two
> Have no way to undo our mistake
> Have to block up missing chunk
> Only do top layer
> Wait for some poor soul to dig over there and find the horrors that lie below
> Go back into town after testing some less fun commands
> Find some commands that appear to cause large explosions
> Go to HGA's house
> Decide to test the explosion stuff practically right next to his home
> "But thedude, we don't know how large the explosion radius is."
> "Please, I know what I'm doing."
> Use a nuke command or something similarly destructive
> Aim the cursor fairly far away from HGA's house
> Press enter
> ************ .everywhere
> Massive explosion lags out the server for a moment
> The edge of the exploded area can't be more than 5 blocks away from HGA's house
> "WHAT THE **** WAS THAT?"
> HGA is visible distressed
> "Don't worry about it, it was nothing."
> Keep dicking around in town, yet more cautious of seemingly explosive commands
> Find a fireball command
> "It can't be that large."
> Fire one off near HGA's house because we clearly know what we're doing
> Let me tell you, this was not a small fireball
> Strikes the impact crater the nuke left
> HGA can see it from his house
> "GODDAMMIT WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING?"
> "Don't worry, we're being careful."
> Suddenly notice HGA's roof is on fire
> Initiate game type Firefighter, difficulty = insane
> Fire is spreading like STDs in a sex ed video
> Quickly make our way to the roof of his house
> Put it out quickly somehow, but don't question it
> Replace blocks before he notices anything
> Eventually finish going through commands in a less destructive manner

Sort of an anticlimactic conclusion, but not all stories have the best endings.

I have two more stories I remember that I can share, if there's still interest.
#62 to #61 - BlakHoleSun (08/11/2013) [-]
Another good story.
User avatar #63 to #62 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (08/11/2013) [-]
Will do. I've been saving one of my personal favorites for last.
User avatar #64 to #63 - georgeojffs (08/12/2013) [-]
love these so much
User avatar #65 to #64 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (08/12/2013) [-]
I shall mention you too. I think this next one will be one of the better ones. Probably on a similar level to the Hunger Games story.
User avatar #53 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (08/09/2013) [-]
BlakHoleSun georgeojffs hammarhead zaxzwim strangemoo

The following events have taken place on various server. I think this particular story was on one of my servers.

> Scooby Doo, Hunger Games Addy (we'll just abbreviate that to HGA from now on), and I are messing around on the server
> HGA is working on his house or something
> It's primarily wood-based
> Scooby Doo and I decide to have some fun and play firefighter, a "game" we made up
> The game involves setting someone's house on fire, turning around (or watching) for five or ten seconds
> This server was made after fire spread was nerfed in one of the updates, so we decide to give it a full twenty seconds before stepping in
> See HGA's house is mainly made out of wood
> Tell him we're going to have some fun
> Responds with something along the lines of "Okay, just don't **** around near my house"
> He has no idea what we're doing
> Perfect
> Scooby Doo and I go to the front of his house while he's working on the back
> We each set one block on fire
> Turn around and count to 20
> Turn around to face the house again
> Oh dear Lord what have we done
> Entire front of the house is one fire and spreading inside
> We both start to half-panic, half-laugh in that panicky sort of way\
> Both start punching out fires as fast as possible
> It does virtually nothing, as the fire just re-spreads to the blocks
> Start breaking blocks to prevent fire spread
> It's no use, blocks are breaking from fire anyway
> "WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON?"
> Oh no, it's HGA
> He is not a happy camper
> "Don't worry, we have this under control
> Entire second level of house practically gone at this point
> Suddenly, I have a genius idea
> Just fill entire house with water
> Go inside and place source blocks covering at least half the house
> Well the fire's gone
> Scooby Doo and I spend next ten minutes blocking up the source blocks and other pesky water leaks
> Spend next five minutes replacing floor
> Front of the house takes another five minutes, spruce it up a bit as an apology gift
> Scooby Doo and I wander off and HGA gives us no thanks even though we repaired his house
> Jokingly say "You're welcome."
> "YOU BURNED DOWN HALF OF MY HOUSE."
> "Yeah, sure we did."
> Scooby Doo and I bored again
> "You wanna play firefighter again?"

I'm pretty sure you can guess what happened next, although we turned around for a much shorter period of time. Only ten seconds, I think.

Anyways, should I tell another?
User avatar #58 to #53 - hammarhead (08/10/2013) [-]
always. always.
User avatar #59 to #58 - hammarhead (08/10/2013) [-]
I love hearing these. youshould invite other people, maybe make some OC. These are good.
User avatar #60 to #59 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (08/11/2013) [-]
I don't think they'd do well as OC. More of a short story kind of thing.
User avatar #56 to #53 - georgeojffs (08/10/2013) [-]
sorry, i only just woke up, I love these more please
User avatar #57 to #56 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (08/10/2013) [-]
No worries. I never expect anyone to comment right away.

Will most likely post another story tomorrow.
User avatar #54 to #53 - BlakHoleSun (08/09/2013) [-]
I don't know why noone else is commenting, these are great stories man.
User avatar #55 to #54 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (08/09/2013) [-]
Thanks. I'll probably post another one tomorrow as well. Some people are probably offline.
User avatar #39 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (08/08/2013) [-]
strangemoo xon georgeojffs BlakHoleSun BlakHole Sun hammarhead zaxzwim

The following events took place on the FunnyJunk server

> Connect to FJ server with friend (the one I won the Hunger Games with, we'll call him Scooby Doo)
> FJ server is notoriously laggy at this point, but whatever, we still play without much trouble
> Decide to create base of operations
> Get as far away from spawn as we possibly can
> Start digging into the side of a mountain, think it's less noticeable
> Don't use a door, just block up the entrance with dirt
> Plant seeds inside base to reduce need to go outside
> Start mining downwards
> Eventually create living area further underground, reduces the need to go up to the top of our base
> Soon realize we're quickly running out of wood, friend and I go back upstairs
> find all of our crops missing and chests looted (thank Notch it was just basic material like dirt and stone)
> There's a sign where the crops used to be
> It says "Black Midgets" (I don't remember if there was anything else written, but it can't be more important than that)
> Wonder why the Black Midgets never went down the mine shaft, but I don't question it too much
> Fear the Black Midgets for the rest of the game
> Block up entire upstairs area and permanently move underground
> **** , we still don't have any wood
> We get another friend to come on (Friend A, who was unjustly eliminated from the Hunger Games match)
> After a few deaths, he finally makes it to us, brings wood with him
> We live happily for probably an hour
> At one point during this time, Scooby Doo mines his way into an adjacent mine shaft
> Follows it, finds some other guy's loot, and steals most, if not all of it
> I get paranoid for two reasons
> 1 - He's going to find our mine shaft because we're so close together
> 2 - He's going to be super pissed that Scooby Doo stole all of his stuff, and he's going to seek revenge
> Scooby Doo dismisses the idea
> After about an hour, I'm still concerned, but not as much
> About 30 minutes later from that point, we all decide to go get pizza (we usually play
at someone's house, so we're all together when we play)
> Our underground living area was dug into the side of the mine shaft, so we block it up with dirt so it's not noticeable if you're just walking down the corridor
> Keep in mind that this is not the same side Scooby Doo dug into that separated us from the other guy's mine shaft
> Also place all valuable items into our inventories so they can't be looted while we're not online
> Maybe 30-45 minutes pass
> Scooby Doo and Friend A are playing other games
> I quickly log back on to see what materials we had in our chest
> There is a guy standing in our living area
> nope.jpeg
> Quickly log off, tell Scooby Doo that the guy whose stuff he stole was in our base
> Don't know if it was actually that guy, but who else would it have been, there's virtually no other way to know we were there
> Give it about two minutes before I log back on, figure this guy could do whatever he's gonna do in that time span and be out
> Log back on
> I'm dead
> Must've lagged out when logging off, he killed me while I was lagging
> Stole at least 20 diamonds, countless stacks of iron and gold, etc.
> Also broke our beds
> The coordinates we had were for the upstairs area we blocked off to avoid more Black Midget attacks
> We have no way of getting back
> Notch, why have you abandoned me

It's been a couple of months, and I still have not logged back on to the FJ server since that day.

So, what do you guys think? I have more stories to share if you guys are interested.
User avatar #48 to #39 - BlakHoleSun (08/08/2013) [-]
WE NEED ANOTHER!
User avatar #50 to #48 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (08/09/2013) [-]
Question: Is there a space between "Hole" and "Sun" in your name? I don't think FJ allows that, but the formatting makes it look that way to me, which is why I listed your name twice in the comment, one with and one without a space.

Also, it seems like there will be another story tomorrow.
User avatar #51 to #50 - BlakHoleSun (08/09/2013) [-]
Ah, I've also noticed the "space". It is all one word. Also, great!
User avatar #52 to #51 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (08/09/2013) [-]
Okay, I'll keep that in mind, thanks.
User avatar #47 to #39 - georgeojffs (08/08/2013) [-]
MOAR
User avatar #49 to #47 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (08/09/2013) [-]
Will do. Probably some time tomorrow.
User avatar #45 to #39 - hammarhead (08/08/2013) [-]
that was great. I love anarchy servers, I've got a few stories of my own. Even made a labrynth once.
User avatar #46 to #45 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (08/08/2013) [-]
The FJ server is beyond any hope. You should share your stories as well.
User avatar #42 to #39 - zaxzwim ONLINE (08/08/2013) [-]
ANOTHER!
User avatar #43 to #42 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (08/08/2013) [-]
Sounds good to me. I'll mention you again in the next one.
User avatar #44 to #43 - zaxzwim ONLINE (08/08/2013) [-]
cool
User avatar #40 to #39 - strangemoo ONLINE (08/08/2013) [-]
Always up for a good story!
User avatar #41 to #40 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (08/08/2013) [-]
I'll mention you again in the next one.
User avatar #36 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (08/08/2013) [-]
Hey xon, did you get a notification for this?
User avatar #38 to #37 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (08/08/2013) [-]
Nice, okay, so I can just mention people in a profile comment for those who want to see.
User avatar #35 - beavisnbutthead (07/24/2013) [-]
Hey I'm actually looking for a couple of writers to help expand my tumblr page where i post various things about film including reviews. You can check out my page at You need to login to view this link

If you're interested, send me a sample review or message me.
User avatar #30 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (07/05/2013) [-]
Good times with subterfuge
User avatar #29 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (07/05/2013) [-]
Good times with queefersutherland
User avatar #28 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (07/05/2013) [-]
Good times with friendbarrier
User avatar #27 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (07/05/2013) [-]
Good times with ilikebuttsex
User avatar #31 to #27 - ilikebuttsex (07/05/2013) [-]
cheers
User avatar #26 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (07/05/2013) [-]
Good times with bigblacknegro
User avatar #25 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (07/05/2013) [-]
Good times with schnickelfritz
User avatar #32 to #25 - schnickelfritz (07/05/2013) [-]
having fun tonight, are we?
User avatar #33 to #32 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (07/06/2013) [-]
That we are, Mr. Fritz. That we are.
User avatar #24 - thedudeistheman ONLINE (07/05/2013) [-]
Good times with yourmomfapping
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