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#47328 - Highest tier (8/10 - 10/10): 28 Days Later Attack the …  [+] (10 replies) 10/04/2016 on Television - cartoon... +1
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#47368 - iphraem (10/06/2016) [-]
fuck yeah! I feel like tucker and dale and attack the block are seriously underrated.
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#47370 - thedudeistheman (10/06/2016) [-]
A friend recommended Tucker and Dale to me a few years back and I'm really glad he did. I like how it plays with some typical genre tropes. A really great horror-comedy.

I don't remember how I found out about Attack the Block, but I think I'd just seen the cult hype it was getting so I checked it out. Cool use of color, and interesting characters we don't usually see in this way. Also John Boyega's second role, and it's cool he started here.
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#47371 - iphraem (10/06/2016) [-]
I watched attack the block as soon as it came out, I was always a big nick frost + simon pegg fan, and sadly only simon gets the big movie recognition nowadays, so I just had to see it.
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#47330 - machiavellianhumor (10/04/2016) [-]
i'd put The Mist in middle tier and Rubber in high tier but overall concur
#47329 - dorkledumbs (10/04/2016) [-]
Evil Dead (2013)
Guys behind it clearly aren't bad with some pretty great suspense in Don't Breathe, but that movie just isn't The Evil Dead aside from the loose homage moments and an after credits line that means nothing. I just wish that they would have let it be kind of ridiculous like the old ones were instead of going for shock after shock after shock.
That and they need to get their hands on better scripts because as far as story and character go in both Evil Dead (2013) and Don't Breathe they're more than lacking. I'm glad that the dude behind it is working though, if he keeps getting better hopefully he can help bring back the horror genre to what it once was
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#47333 - thedudeistheman (10/04/2016) [-]
Evil Dead 2013 is definitely still an Evil Dead film. Everyone seems to forget how original Evil Dead didn't have all the comedy Evil Dead II did. it was more of a straight-up horror film. Even if Evil Dead 1 was more like EDII, 2013 is still an adaptation. It has the same setting, same cause, similar feeling - the elements are there.

2013 did have average-ish writing for the characters. A lot of cliches, a lot of what-did-you-expect moments for them, but still really solid in execution. Don't Breathe's writing is way better and far from lacking. It has its pitfalls, but to say it's lacking is missing what's there.

Fede Alvarez is one of the best directors in horror today. Given that Don't Breathe is a fairly massive success, I'd say it's probably safe to assume we'll see more from him.
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#47334 - dorkledumbs (10/04/2016) [-]
I know the original didn't have the comedy elements, but it played that way because of how ridiculous everything was and in the sequel they capitalized on this by making it a hybrid of comedy and horror before pretty much doing away with horror in Army of Darkness. My problem with 2013, forgive me for getting lazy, is that it was so lazy. None of the characters were even a bit compelling and what was a big budget production now had less story, less character, and less innovation than the original which they made rolling in shit in the woods. The part that I think really ended made me stop caring was when the part where the main girl's brother buried her alive to try and bring her back and it actually worked! What the hell? I don't know, maybe it isn't as disappointing a gore porn fest as I remember since I saw it once on opening night, but aside from some creepy shots if you told me that Rob Zombie directed it I'd believe you.
And Don't Breathe. While I won't say it isn't better than 2013, it still has much room for improvement. Twists that are there for the sake of a twist Alex "dying" and shock that is there for the sake of a shock Rape dungeon Semen baster in the throat He breaks out of the handcuffs the dog not to mention the characters again. Who cares? In the best horror movies you care about the characters. You don't want them to be killed or tortured or raped or whatever may be threatening them. But in both of these movies he's got characters who aren't characters with maybe one or two members of the cast bringing in some interest. Maybe I'd feel for Money more if he wasn't so clearly a piece of shit and be more shocked by his death thanks trailers if while I was in the theater I wasn't rooting for the blind man to kill that asshole. And maybe I'd empathize with Rocky's situation more if she wasn't so willing to do whatever he said. Hell, why not just give them a better reason to be in this situation than robbing a blind man and it won't cast your protagonists as villains right away.
It's better than Evil Dead (2013) that's for sure, but to say it isn't lacking? Maybe with what's offered in most horror today, but to stand up against any other strong film recently?
You'll never hear me speak badly about his direction, Don't Breathe has some suspense that rivals Alien, but as a writer? There's certainly room for improvement
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#47337 - thedudeistheman (10/04/2016) [-]
I don't think it played that way. It might seem like that now because the effects look pretty dated, but at the time The Evil Dead was generally considered to be pretty scary. I'm not saying it was made to be taken seriously because the major players involved (the Raimi brothers, Spiegel, Tapert, Campbell) saw it for what it was and upped the camp for 2 and Army of Darkness, but the first one is definitely played straight.

The characters are my biggest complaint about Evil Dead 2013. They're generally dumb and really the best thing about them is the performances from the actors themselves. I wouldn't say there's any less story than the original trilogy had. 1 and 2 were pretty barebones with 3 having the most story depth, and even that was light. I don't think it was any less innovative either. Solid camerawork and effects (which were pretty often practical like for the original films). There's less in character in terms of the main character. Ash just wanted to have a grand time with his buddies, whereas Mia was a "recovering" junkie and couldn't hack it, but is then subjected to the Deadites and whatnot.

Room for improvement is different than lacking a specific quality though. Aside from him breaking out of the handcuffs (did he do the thing where he dislocated his thumb? Was the key inches away?) , I don't think the things that happen are only there for the sake of being there. They serve a purpose and establish reasons for things to be the way they are. The rape dungeon is reasoned in a way that feels genuine. Sure, it's fucked up, but you can understand why it's there.

I also feel the death shown in the trailer is necessary because otherwise people could've guessed it. Since he dies he's not in any of the other scenes they could've put in the trailer, and people probably would've guessed anyway. Being up front about it was probably the right choice.

I have a problem with the characters in Don't Breathe on two levels. One, you're right in that they're not exactly great people so I don't care about them as much as you might want to for a horror movie. On the other hand, maybe Alvarez likes making you root for characters who might not deserve it otherwise because they're subjected to punishment far worse than what they deserve. Yes, they're thieves and criminals, but if you work on a punishment scale (as I think most people do), do they really deserve to be subjected to what happens?

With the Evil Dead 2013's characters, as far as I remember (it's been a while since I've seen it), none of them really have any depth except for Mia, and even then it's slight. You root for them because you see bad things happening to them and they haven't really done anything wrong, not because you want them to achieve goals they outlined earlier or something like that.

We can't compare Don't Breathe to other strong films unless you define the criteria. Are we comparing Don't Breathe to Whiplash or 12 Years a Slave? Those are definitely strong films, but I think you'd agree that doesn't make any sense. I also don't think we should take the "look at it for what it is" mantra because you need benchmarks to understand why a movie is good or bad. There are abstract rules to follow that you can see followed, improved upon, or broken in similar films. We have to fall somewhere in between. I'd say Don't Breath does succeed along with other similar films, but it's not winning any Oscars.

He definitely has room to improve as a writer. If the jump from Evil Dead to Don't Breathe shows how he'll improve in the future, I'm definitely looking forward to his future work.
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#47348 - dorkledumbs (10/05/2016) [-]
Fair points.
Interesting look at his philosophy when it comes to punishing his characters, maybe he's trying for a suffering begets suffering thing? In Evil Dead all of her friends (I guess) try and help her through getting through her addiction and in return they're all killed by something out of their control, however her brother sacrifices(?) himself for her and she's the only survivor... Could it just be her friends' sacrifices for her(?) That we're supposed to focus on? Or is it deeper than that? Same really with Don't Breathe, I think the punishment thesis would work if he didn't allow a sole survivor and everyone suffers for their decisions, maybe in his next work it'll be more clear.
Why shouldn't we hold horror to the same standards as we do dramas like Whiplash though? You can say for what it is as a horror movie, but that means nothing since a fair 80% of horror today is trash with one or two (or if you're lucky) three good ones a year and even then if you hold them to the standard of your typical drama they're only just above passable. I think the best horror movie I saw in recent years was The Witch and everything about that movie held up for me except for the ending which, I felt, completely cheapens the fantastic film leading up to it, but I suppose that's what a modern audience wants. You can't leave anything ambiguous because they don't want to be left with the unknown, but drama does this all the time... I think it's that Horror, like Action, pale in comparison to what they used to be because now it's all about give the audience what they want, spectacle, and satisfaction rather than having a great story and the suspense to match.
I read somewhere that they're making a Don't Breathe 2 and I sincerely hope this is not true, not just because I'm not the biggest fan of the first, but because I don't want to see Alvarez attempt a sequel or have anyone else stab at his work. If it wasn't for him I don't believe that either of his movies would have any redeemable factors
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#47351 - thedudeistheman (10/05/2016) [-]
I agree. With his next film I think we'll get a better idea of how he likes to create his characters.

After reading what you said, I agree you're right. Horror should be held to the same standard as any other type of movie. Great horror films like The Babadook and The Witch have come out (along with a handful of other titles) to re-establish horror as a genre capable of depth. You're also right in saying many horror movies now (at least the widely-released theatrical ones) just give the audiences whatever they want. Jump scares without reason, that sorta thing. These types of movies unfortunately make huge successes for studios so we keep getting them in droves. That being said, Don't Breathe may not be the best of the best, but I do think it's up there as one of the better movies in recent years across all genres. Somewhere in the 7/10s.

Don't Breathe 2 would suck because there's no reason to make another one and I really hope they don't. I also like the ending of The Witch because it twists what we know to be true about the witch trials in real life, those ladies probably weren't witches so we get something we didn't expect. I think ambiguity would've been better, but this isn't the worst ending for the film.

With some of the points you brought up, I think you might find these videos interesting:
The Problem with Action Movies Today

The Problem with Horror Movies Today

Have Directors Forgotten how to Film Action
#47211 - People bitch about it because it's flawed and far from perfect…  [+] (3 replies) 09/28/2016 on Television - cartoon... 0
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#47212 - soulknitter (09/28/2016) [-]
What are the major differences?
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#47218 - thedudeistheman (09/29/2016) [-]

A lot of character development is gone, and a lot of small things that change the tone of the scene. In the capitol hill scene, Superman is around for a little bit longer, making him seem more sympathetic, whereas in the theatrical, the scene is shorter so it seems like the event happens and then he's just gone. It's mostly small things that account for a big thing.
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#47214 - ScottP (09/29/2016) [-]
There's more scenes showing Clark actually investigating Batman and the repercussions of his actions in Gotham. We even see why the Bat brand is a big deal. That's really the main difference, but it makes the plot make more sense. Too bad it's a long slog to get there
#47197 - Thanks, I really appreciate that. I'll try to bring them back …  [+] (1 reply) 09/27/2016 on Television - cartoon... +1
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#47199 - iphraem (09/27/2016) [-]
I m looking forward to it. I m watching swiss army man now btw.
#47191 - Oh ****, I'm surprised you remember those. Yeah, it's been a w…  [+] (3 replies) 09/27/2016 on Television - cartoon... +1
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#47192 - iphraem (09/27/2016) [-]
they were part of the reason why I started visiting this board on the regular. I really do appreciate them.
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#47197 - thedudeistheman (09/27/2016) [-]
Thanks, I really appreciate that. I'll try to bring them back every now and then.
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#47199 - iphraem (09/27/2016) [-]
I m looking forward to it. I m watching swiss army man now btw.
#47154 - What movie(s) specifically are you referring to?  [+] (3 replies) 09/25/2016 on Television - cartoon... 0
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#47158 - brownskin (09/25/2016) [-]
Jurassic Park: The Lost World
Jurassic Park 3
Upcoming Jurassic World 2
The Mummy Returns
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
Transformers: Dark of the Moon
Alien 3
Scream 4
Night at the Museum
Terminator 2 although Sarah Connor's situation makes much more sense then most other examples

There are absolutely more that I can't think of. I don't think it's a serious issue, because some of these movies Aliens, T2, The Lost World are good movies which aren't worse off because of it
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#47155 - machiavellianhumor (09/25/2016) [-]
all of them,
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#47156 - thedudeistheman (09/25/2016) [-]
haha wow i love the wit tru banter ;))))))))
#39 - I've been following these videos since you made Gaming Hurts, …  [+] (1 reply) 09/24/2016 on (0C) Video Games Supercut +1
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#46 - aceles (09/25/2016) [-]
Oh wow, I have a fan, thanks