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#159 - Not sure about Metallo, but Savage would definitely be interes…  [+] (1 reply) 03/29/2016 on Batman dick worship 0
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#160 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
I agree, there's a lot of potential for that. But it's cringeworthy enough how writers are pushing comic relief in dialogues in these kind of movies nowadays ... latest worst example was Star Wars VII.

Not sure how Bizzaro would work ... him alone surely wouldn't.
#156 - I'm more of a Marvel guy. The only DC characters that have int…  [+] (16 replies) 03/29/2016 on Batman dick worship 0
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#255 - foodyquest (03/30/2016) [-]
Check out animal man and swamp thing. New 52 written by Scott Snyder they are really good.
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#158 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
This your excuse for being superficial? 'cause that >>#134, is way more like Marvel than DC, because clashes of superheroes are way more common there ... hell, most story arcs are precisely that.
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#164 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Nah, nah. When Marvel does it, they actually kill people. Then bring them back 15 minutes later, because "lol time travel" or fate or magic or whatever bullshit they decide to pull this time. Especially if the X-men are involved in any way. Those guys are like a magnet for bullshit. And they refuse to stay dead. I'm not sure there's a single person on the main X-man roster who hasn't died and come back at least once. And don't get me started on Jean Grey and Wolverine. It's like they're allergic to death. Even after Marvel supposedly killed off Wolverine "for good" they brought in a Wolverine from a different universe and went "Nah, nah. We didn't bring Wolverine back to life. This is a toooooooootally different person.".

DC goes for contrived excuses as to why they didn't kill eachother.
Marvel goes for complete and unbridled bullshit.
#173 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
DC does it, too. Most recent? Batman died. I talked about that below
Robin even broke the 4th wall regarding that, see image.

I didn't refer to that. You kinda dodging the subject, you know? X-Men vs X-Men, X-Men vs Avengers, Inhumans vs ?, Punisher vs Daredevil, [...]. They are mostly like you described.
... hell, the whole civil war went that way until Steve Rogers "died".
I'd even say it was a big part of the secret wars shtick.

Regarding Old Man Logan, I'm quite sure he'll offer a way of revivng the actual Wolverine - they haven't showed the statue yet, have they? Did you read "Wolverines", before Secret Wars? Quite sure Mister Sinister almost got him out of the adamantium casing.

But dude ... how are you such a condescending smartass on something you don't know shit about ? That's dangerous, you could be pointed out for that. You are wrong in so many regards it should be embarassing.
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#175 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
I wasn't acting condescending, I'm just a bitter asshole, who's really tired of how painfully predictable superhero movies are. As for the formula, yes, Marvel follows it pretty often. I think they just try to reduce the number of bullshit resurrections by making sure no one dies and instead they kiss and make up for some bullshit reason. It's kind of hard to avoid, because, as you said, most Marvel arcs are just someone fighting someone else, whereas DC does a hero vs hero comic pretty rarely. I'm certain if they did crossovers as often as Marvel does, they'd be pulling the exact same shit, because it's so easy and convenient. And lazy.

Regarding old man Logan, I honestly neither know nor care. Right now Marvel's in this weird place where they're resetting the universe every 15 seconds and giving the rights to the characters to anyone and everyone, because they don't give a shit about the comics anymore, since the movies are making them far more cash. I've decided to stop even trying to make sense of this clusterfuck until Marvel finally gets their shit sorted. Which doesn't seem like it'll be soon.
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#179 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
Hmm, I wouldn't say bitter asshole. Cynical something is ok, but bitter's too nice. And also I won't call you an asshole, that's too easy.

I think they are. That's what the secret wars did bring with themselves. Dust is settling down.
What I find way more alarming is all the sjw-bullshit, like retroactively making Ice-Man gay and female hurr durr Thor I bet you Odinson'll pick upt Ultimate Thor's mjolnir You read "Thors" and read "Thor"? If not, sry for spoilering I don't mind a gay super-hero or a female nordish god, just don't make it forced ... reasonable is enough ... like Sam Wilson as Captain America or Miles Morales as Spider-Man . Making something "diverse" just to be "diverse" is not emancipating ... well, at least the special snowflakes are happy, even if they don't read comics. But yes, I generally agree.
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#183 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
She-Thor is fucking irredeemable, though. Fuck that identity-stealing bitch. I was hoping she would be used as a plot device, so when Thor sees her being a bitch he goes "Is this what I look like from the side? I should probably stop being an asshole." and he becomes worthy again. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened yet. Your version, where he picks up a different hammer, seems more likely, since it'd let both characters exist at the same time. Even though she still took part in fucking identity theft.
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#186 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
It's not my "version", it's my prediction.

I still really really want to know that secret that made him unworthy do begin with.
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#189 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
I'm pretty sure not even the writer who came up with that knows what the secret is, it's just there to tease people. They're probably never going to reveal it, instead just pretending it never happened and hoping we eventually forget and stop asking what the secret is.
#191 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
I doubt it. They may have forgotten, but there must have been some idea. But even if not, it'd be boring and weak.

As to the prediction ... spoiler alert That hammer's the Ultimate Thor's mjolnir (we see how it gets there in Thors) and the horrible thing is a poisonous stabbing of Thor's mother. . You'll need to read the secret wars tie in "Thors" - see here www.comicastle.org/manga-thors.html - and the Thor run after the wars - here www.comicastle.org/manga-mighty-thor-vol-2-2015.html .
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#193 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Let me guess. The first one's the thing with the frog with Thor powers.
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#204 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
Dunno what you mean, but these are the two last pages of the latest issue.
#181 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Yes, that's exactly what I meant by "giving the rights to the characters to anyone and everyone". The SJW stuff isn't a decision Marvel made, they didn't just have a meeting one day and go "OK, we need more diversity. Who can we make black?". The reason those SJW comics exist is because a bunch of shitty SJW writers asked Marvel if they could make a comic and Marvel agreed, because they don't give a shit anymore. Also, I wouldn't call Wilson forced. He's fucking Falcon - Captain USAs' best friend and colleague. He's been an Avenger for years and Cap trusts him, so that's why he was picked as a temporary replacement. Even Falcon himself comments on how fucking obvious the choice was. It's like how Tony often lets Warmachine fill in for him, because they're friends. As for Morales, at least he got lucky. He started off forced and shitty, but he got a good writer and now he's actually grown into a proper character, not just the black spider man.

And I thought bitter was worse than cynical.
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#185 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
You must have overlooked "_I don't mind [...]". Wilson was a good replacement ... never argued that. Ice-Man and female Thor were the points I argued and you ignored.

Morales never was the black/latino Spider-Man, just the Ultimate Spider-Man's replacement, after that one "died". Just as Wilson, a good replacement, but new character.

Those two were examples that I said were good "diversity"-things - that's why I sad "I don't mind" -, but they weren't "diverse" for the sake of being "diverse" and that's the whole point.

Calling you cynical is me being nice to you. BItter - just as cynical - wouldn't imply that superficial way of thinking. Cynical, however, would be an euphemism you should be happy with.
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#187 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Shit, I missed that part.
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#188 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
np
#151 - OH, and Bizzaro. That'd be awesome to see in a movie.  [+] (3 replies) 03/29/2016 on Batman dick worship 0
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#154 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
How about Vandal Savage? Metallo?

... look, idc which villain or characters they use. If they do a good job, each one has potential for 180 minutes entertainment. If we talk about movies, that is.
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#159 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Not sure about Metallo, but Savage would definitely be interesting, seeing as how he's one of the few people Superman can't really get rid of by punching them really really hard. However, I was thinking of Bizzaro mostly because of the comedy potential with the backwards speech.
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#160 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
I agree, there's a lot of potential for that. But it's cringeworthy enough how writers are pushing comic relief in dialogues in these kind of movies nowadays ... latest worst example was Star Wars VII.

Not sure how Bizzaro would work ... him alone surely wouldn't.
#149 - It's not like bullets are going to do much against someone who…  [+] (1 reply) 03/29/2016 on Batman dick worship 0
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#153 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
We both know that IF that thing would shoot something, it certainly would work.
#147 - Also, it's not much of a spoiler if you've read the comics. Yo…  [+] (24 replies) 03/29/2016 on Batman dick worship 0
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#152 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
Doomsday does.

Darkseid is a JL enemy, not sure of Marvel's Thanos is a rip-off of him or vice-cersa, but that guy's the best material for a Justice League movie.

... about comic reading. You don't do that much, do you? You haven't read one of the best Batman comics which are out. Really, you've missed something, read it.
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#254 - foodyquest (03/30/2016) [-]
The writer on thanos was originally basing him off of Matron. But his editor told him that if he was going to rip off a new God he might as well rip off the best one(Darseid) this thanos was born.
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#279 - joekerr (03/30/2016) [-]
Yeah, makes sense.
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#156 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
I'm more of a Marvel guy. The only DC characters that have interested me are the Flash and Lanterns. Also Constantine, though I haven't gotten around to reading any of his comics.
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#255 - foodyquest (03/30/2016) [-]
Check out animal man and swamp thing. New 52 written by Scott Snyder they are really good.
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#158 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
This your excuse for being superficial? 'cause that >>#134, is way more like Marvel than DC, because clashes of superheroes are way more common there ... hell, most story arcs are precisely that.
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#164 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Nah, nah. When Marvel does it, they actually kill people. Then bring them back 15 minutes later, because "lol time travel" or fate or magic or whatever bullshit they decide to pull this time. Especially if the X-men are involved in any way. Those guys are like a magnet for bullshit. And they refuse to stay dead. I'm not sure there's a single person on the main X-man roster who hasn't died and come back at least once. And don't get me started on Jean Grey and Wolverine. It's like they're allergic to death. Even after Marvel supposedly killed off Wolverine "for good" they brought in a Wolverine from a different universe and went "Nah, nah. We didn't bring Wolverine back to life. This is a toooooooootally different person.".

DC goes for contrived excuses as to why they didn't kill eachother.
Marvel goes for complete and unbridled bullshit.
#173 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
DC does it, too. Most recent? Batman died. I talked about that below
Robin even broke the 4th wall regarding that, see image.

I didn't refer to that. You kinda dodging the subject, you know? X-Men vs X-Men, X-Men vs Avengers, Inhumans vs ?, Punisher vs Daredevil, [...]. They are mostly like you described.
... hell, the whole civil war went that way until Steve Rogers "died".
I'd even say it was a big part of the secret wars shtick.

Regarding Old Man Logan, I'm quite sure he'll offer a way of revivng the actual Wolverine - they haven't showed the statue yet, have they? Did you read "Wolverines", before Secret Wars? Quite sure Mister Sinister almost got him out of the adamantium casing.

But dude ... how are you such a condescending smartass on something you don't know shit about ? That's dangerous, you could be pointed out for that. You are wrong in so many regards it should be embarassing.
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#175 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
I wasn't acting condescending, I'm just a bitter asshole, who's really tired of how painfully predictable superhero movies are. As for the formula, yes, Marvel follows it pretty often. I think they just try to reduce the number of bullshit resurrections by making sure no one dies and instead they kiss and make up for some bullshit reason. It's kind of hard to avoid, because, as you said, most Marvel arcs are just someone fighting someone else, whereas DC does a hero vs hero comic pretty rarely. I'm certain if they did crossovers as often as Marvel does, they'd be pulling the exact same shit, because it's so easy and convenient. And lazy.

Regarding old man Logan, I honestly neither know nor care. Right now Marvel's in this weird place where they're resetting the universe every 15 seconds and giving the rights to the characters to anyone and everyone, because they don't give a shit about the comics anymore, since the movies are making them far more cash. I've decided to stop even trying to make sense of this clusterfuck until Marvel finally gets their shit sorted. Which doesn't seem like it'll be soon.
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#179 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
Hmm, I wouldn't say bitter asshole. Cynical something is ok, but bitter's too nice. And also I won't call you an asshole, that's too easy.

I think they are. That's what the secret wars did bring with themselves. Dust is settling down.
What I find way more alarming is all the sjw-bullshit, like retroactively making Ice-Man gay and female hurr durr Thor I bet you Odinson'll pick upt Ultimate Thor's mjolnir You read "Thors" and read "Thor"? If not, sry for spoilering I don't mind a gay super-hero or a female nordish god, just don't make it forced ... reasonable is enough ... like Sam Wilson as Captain America or Miles Morales as Spider-Man . Making something "diverse" just to be "diverse" is not emancipating ... well, at least the special snowflakes are happy, even if they don't read comics. But yes, I generally agree.
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#183 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
She-Thor is fucking irredeemable, though. Fuck that identity-stealing bitch. I was hoping she would be used as a plot device, so when Thor sees her being a bitch he goes "Is this what I look like from the side? I should probably stop being an asshole." and he becomes worthy again. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened yet. Your version, where he picks up a different hammer, seems more likely, since it'd let both characters exist at the same time. Even though she still took part in fucking identity theft.
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#186 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
It's not my "version", it's my prediction.

I still really really want to know that secret that made him unworthy do begin with.
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#189 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
I'm pretty sure not even the writer who came up with that knows what the secret is, it's just there to tease people. They're probably never going to reveal it, instead just pretending it never happened and hoping we eventually forget and stop asking what the secret is.
#191 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
I doubt it. They may have forgotten, but there must have been some idea. But even if not, it'd be boring and weak.

As to the prediction ... spoiler alert That hammer's the Ultimate Thor's mjolnir (we see how it gets there in Thors) and the horrible thing is a poisonous stabbing of Thor's mother. . You'll need to read the secret wars tie in "Thors" - see here www.comicastle.org/manga-thors.html - and the Thor run after the wars - here www.comicastle.org/manga-mighty-thor-vol-2-2015.html .
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#193 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Let me guess. The first one's the thing with the frog with Thor powers.
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#204 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
Dunno what you mean, but these are the two last pages of the latest issue.
#181 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Yes, that's exactly what I meant by "giving the rights to the characters to anyone and everyone". The SJW stuff isn't a decision Marvel made, they didn't just have a meeting one day and go "OK, we need more diversity. Who can we make black?". The reason those SJW comics exist is because a bunch of shitty SJW writers asked Marvel if they could make a comic and Marvel agreed, because they don't give a shit anymore. Also, I wouldn't call Wilson forced. He's fucking Falcon - Captain USAs' best friend and colleague. He's been an Avenger for years and Cap trusts him, so that's why he was picked as a temporary replacement. Even Falcon himself comments on how fucking obvious the choice was. It's like how Tony often lets Warmachine fill in for him, because they're friends. As for Morales, at least he got lucky. He started off forced and shitty, but he got a good writer and now he's actually grown into a proper character, not just the black spider man.

And I thought bitter was worse than cynical.
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#185 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
You must have overlooked "_I don't mind [...]". Wilson was a good replacement ... never argued that. Ice-Man and female Thor were the points I argued and you ignored.

Morales never was the black/latino Spider-Man, just the Ultimate Spider-Man's replacement, after that one "died". Just as Wilson, a good replacement, but new character.

Those two were examples that I said were good "diversity"-things - that's why I sad "I don't mind" -, but they weren't "diverse" for the sake of being "diverse" and that's the whole point.

Calling you cynical is me being nice to you. BItter - just as cynical - wouldn't imply that superficial way of thinking. Cynical, however, would be an euphemism you should be happy with.
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#187 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Shit, I missed that part.
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#188 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
np
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#151 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
OH, and Bizzaro. That'd be awesome to see in a movie.
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#154 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
How about Vandal Savage? Metallo?

... look, idc which villain or characters they use. If they do a good job, each one has potential for 180 minutes entertainment. If we talk about movies, that is.
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#159 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Not sure about Metallo, but Savage would definitely be interesting, seeing as how he's one of the few people Superman can't really get rid of by punching them really really hard. However, I was thinking of Bizzaro mostly because of the comedy potential with the backwards speech.
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#160 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
I agree, there's a lot of potential for that. But it's cringeworthy enough how writers are pushing comic relief in dialogues in these kind of movies nowadays ... latest worst example was Star Wars VII.

Not sure how Bizzaro would work ... him alone surely wouldn't.
#146 - Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Why the **** does Batman h…  [+] (3 replies) 03/29/2016 on Batman dick worship 0
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#148 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
Neither do I know nor do I care.

There's only three exceptions for that "no gun rule" that I know of.
a) The grapple is literally working like a gun.
b) Darkseid.
c) After endgame Bruce Wayne got healed by the dionysium, including being Batman (amnesia and stuff). Bruce Wayne, the man he would have been, had no problem using a rifle against Riddler, Clayface and Mr Freeze. You know, cause he didn't have that trauma and stuff.
Doomsday qualifies for that exception in my book though, so not so much a break with canon.
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#149 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
It's not like bullets are going to do much against someone who's managed to beat the shit out of Superman on numerous occasions.
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#153 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
We both know that IF that thing would shoot something, it certainly would work.
#144 - Also, why the **** would the US government want to get rid of …  [+] (3 replies) 03/29/2016 on Batman dick worship 0
#207 - zielscheibe (03/29/2016) [-]
exept that most governments - USA government included - have dirty money and criminal ways.

Batman will not tolerate any kind of fuckery , corruption and illigal actions. Not even if the government does it.

Supes is a bit to naive in that matter and as a lapdog does not even see what Bats is worried about until Bats beats him and faces him with the feel of been unable to defeat his enemy.

Wich is basically why the government made Supes their bitch - who will dare stand against a government that hasa Superman trump card ?

A Government with supreme power is ... well most likely not a good thing in the hands of the false people.

And a government is more than just a President or Congressman. There are tons of people , working for the government. And some of them are corrupt and criminal.
But with Supes as their unstopable dggie - nobody dares oppose them.

That is where Batman stepped in.
... or something like that
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#278 - joekerr (03/30/2016) [-]
They sent Superman because Batman was doing the government's job in times of anarchy ... saving the day, making the government lose face ... and stuff before that.
Disregard >>#141, it's not precise. Again, I can only recommend reading that comic and, if you don't want to, at least watch the 2-Part animation movie.

Ist der Name absichtlich in dieser Sprache?
#142 - I assume the action was ******* INCREDIBLE, cause that's the o…  [+] (3 replies) 03/29/2016 on Batman dick worship -1
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#145 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
I have never seen a worse tl;dr ... Superman vs Batman is only part of the whole plot, it's the climax. I'm not going to spoiler anymore than that guy did.
#250 - darkjack (03/30/2016) [-]
It could have been leagues worse. I only quickly and roughly summarized the portion where superman fights batman. I will say I fucked up by forgetting to mention that this was mainly the bits that involved superman in a comic that would have rather focused on other things.
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#277 - joekerr (03/30/2016) [-]
The whole point of my argument with him was that he was superficial and condescending. That applies to your tl;dr as well, that's why I was critical with it.
#139 - Watched the first trailer. I'm pretty sure I would have notice…  [+] (30 replies) 03/29/2016 on Batman dick worship -1
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#143 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
See this
Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice  Official Trailer 2 HD
I just spoilered myself, the trailers I've seen till now had less content.

You know ... I was really disappointed when they cancelled the Justice League Movie in 2008 ... <.<

>>#137,

Continuing from there in case you have actually referred to "The Dark Knight Returns" and not the movie with that (>>#134,)

None of that. Watch the movie (it's two parts) or even better, read the comic. Frank Miller did a good job.
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#147 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Also, it's not much of a spoiler if you've read the comics. You know what Supermans' villains are and who's going to have to show up. There's Doomsday, then Braniniac's probably gonna pop up and then eventually Darkseid. Also, if I recall correctly one of those manages to kill Superman and he comes back to life for some reason. Those would probably be amazing twists in the movies if comic-readers didn't already know they're coming.
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#152 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
Doomsday does.

Darkseid is a JL enemy, not sure of Marvel's Thanos is a rip-off of him or vice-cersa, but that guy's the best material for a Justice League movie.

... about comic reading. You don't do that much, do you? You haven't read one of the best Batman comics which are out. Really, you've missed something, read it.
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#254 - foodyquest (03/30/2016) [-]
The writer on thanos was originally basing him off of Matron. But his editor told him that if he was going to rip off a new God he might as well rip off the best one(Darseid) this thanos was born.
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#279 - joekerr (03/30/2016) [-]
Yeah, makes sense.
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#156 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
I'm more of a Marvel guy. The only DC characters that have interested me are the Flash and Lanterns. Also Constantine, though I haven't gotten around to reading any of his comics.
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#255 - foodyquest (03/30/2016) [-]
Check out animal man and swamp thing. New 52 written by Scott Snyder they are really good.
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#158 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
This your excuse for being superficial? 'cause that >>#134, is way more like Marvel than DC, because clashes of superheroes are way more common there ... hell, most story arcs are precisely that.
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#164 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Nah, nah. When Marvel does it, they actually kill people. Then bring them back 15 minutes later, because "lol time travel" or fate or magic or whatever bullshit they decide to pull this time. Especially if the X-men are involved in any way. Those guys are like a magnet for bullshit. And they refuse to stay dead. I'm not sure there's a single person on the main X-man roster who hasn't died and come back at least once. And don't get me started on Jean Grey and Wolverine. It's like they're allergic to death. Even after Marvel supposedly killed off Wolverine "for good" they brought in a Wolverine from a different universe and went "Nah, nah. We didn't bring Wolverine back to life. This is a toooooooootally different person.".

DC goes for contrived excuses as to why they didn't kill eachother.
Marvel goes for complete and unbridled bullshit.
#173 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
DC does it, too. Most recent? Batman died. I talked about that below
Robin even broke the 4th wall regarding that, see image.

I didn't refer to that. You kinda dodging the subject, you know? X-Men vs X-Men, X-Men vs Avengers, Inhumans vs ?, Punisher vs Daredevil, [...]. They are mostly like you described.
... hell, the whole civil war went that way until Steve Rogers "died".
I'd even say it was a big part of the secret wars shtick.

Regarding Old Man Logan, I'm quite sure he'll offer a way of revivng the actual Wolverine - they haven't showed the statue yet, have they? Did you read "Wolverines", before Secret Wars? Quite sure Mister Sinister almost got him out of the adamantium casing.

But dude ... how are you such a condescending smartass on something you don't know shit about ? That's dangerous, you could be pointed out for that. You are wrong in so many regards it should be embarassing.
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#175 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
I wasn't acting condescending, I'm just a bitter asshole, who's really tired of how painfully predictable superhero movies are. As for the formula, yes, Marvel follows it pretty often. I think they just try to reduce the number of bullshit resurrections by making sure no one dies and instead they kiss and make up for some bullshit reason. It's kind of hard to avoid, because, as you said, most Marvel arcs are just someone fighting someone else, whereas DC does a hero vs hero comic pretty rarely. I'm certain if they did crossovers as often as Marvel does, they'd be pulling the exact same shit, because it's so easy and convenient. And lazy.

Regarding old man Logan, I honestly neither know nor care. Right now Marvel's in this weird place where they're resetting the universe every 15 seconds and giving the rights to the characters to anyone and everyone, because they don't give a shit about the comics anymore, since the movies are making them far more cash. I've decided to stop even trying to make sense of this clusterfuck until Marvel finally gets their shit sorted. Which doesn't seem like it'll be soon.
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#179 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
Hmm, I wouldn't say bitter asshole. Cynical something is ok, but bitter's too nice. And also I won't call you an asshole, that's too easy.

I think they are. That's what the secret wars did bring with themselves. Dust is settling down.
What I find way more alarming is all the sjw-bullshit, like retroactively making Ice-Man gay and female hurr durr Thor I bet you Odinson'll pick upt Ultimate Thor's mjolnir You read "Thors" and read "Thor"? If not, sry for spoilering I don't mind a gay super-hero or a female nordish god, just don't make it forced ... reasonable is enough ... like Sam Wilson as Captain America or Miles Morales as Spider-Man . Making something "diverse" just to be "diverse" is not emancipating ... well, at least the special snowflakes are happy, even if they don't read comics. But yes, I generally agree.
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#183 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
She-Thor is fucking irredeemable, though. Fuck that identity-stealing bitch. I was hoping she would be used as a plot device, so when Thor sees her being a bitch he goes "Is this what I look like from the side? I should probably stop being an asshole." and he becomes worthy again. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened yet. Your version, where he picks up a different hammer, seems more likely, since it'd let both characters exist at the same time. Even though she still took part in fucking identity theft.
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#186 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
It's not my "version", it's my prediction.

I still really really want to know that secret that made him unworthy do begin with.
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#189 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
I'm pretty sure not even the writer who came up with that knows what the secret is, it's just there to tease people. They're probably never going to reveal it, instead just pretending it never happened and hoping we eventually forget and stop asking what the secret is.
#191 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
I doubt it. They may have forgotten, but there must have been some idea. But even if not, it'd be boring and weak.

As to the prediction ... spoiler alert That hammer's the Ultimate Thor's mjolnir (we see how it gets there in Thors) and the horrible thing is a poisonous stabbing of Thor's mother. . You'll need to read the secret wars tie in "Thors" - see here www.comicastle.org/manga-thors.html - and the Thor run after the wars - here www.comicastle.org/manga-mighty-thor-vol-2-2015.html .
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#193 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Let me guess. The first one's the thing with the frog with Thor powers.
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#204 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
Dunno what you mean, but these are the two last pages of the latest issue.
#181 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Yes, that's exactly what I meant by "giving the rights to the characters to anyone and everyone". The SJW stuff isn't a decision Marvel made, they didn't just have a meeting one day and go "OK, we need more diversity. Who can we make black?". The reason those SJW comics exist is because a bunch of shitty SJW writers asked Marvel if they could make a comic and Marvel agreed, because they don't give a shit anymore. Also, I wouldn't call Wilson forced. He's fucking Falcon - Captain USAs' best friend and colleague. He's been an Avenger for years and Cap trusts him, so that's why he was picked as a temporary replacement. Even Falcon himself comments on how fucking obvious the choice was. It's like how Tony often lets Warmachine fill in for him, because they're friends. As for Morales, at least he got lucky. He started off forced and shitty, but he got a good writer and now he's actually grown into a proper character, not just the black spider man.

And I thought bitter was worse than cynical.
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#185 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
You must have overlooked "_I don't mind [...]". Wilson was a good replacement ... never argued that. Ice-Man and female Thor were the points I argued and you ignored.

Morales never was the black/latino Spider-Man, just the Ultimate Spider-Man's replacement, after that one "died". Just as Wilson, a good replacement, but new character.

Those two were examples that I said were good "diversity"-things - that's why I sad "I don't mind" -, but they weren't "diverse" for the sake of being "diverse" and that's the whole point.

Calling you cynical is me being nice to you. BItter - just as cynical - wouldn't imply that superficial way of thinking. Cynical, however, would be an euphemism you should be happy with.
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#187 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Shit, I missed that part.
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#188 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
np
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#151 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
OH, and Bizzaro. That'd be awesome to see in a movie.
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#154 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
How about Vandal Savage? Metallo?

... look, idc which villain or characters they use. If they do a good job, each one has potential for 180 minutes entertainment. If we talk about movies, that is.
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#159 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Not sure about Metallo, but Savage would definitely be interesting, seeing as how he's one of the few people Superman can't really get rid of by punching them really really hard. However, I was thinking of Bizzaro mostly because of the comedy potential with the backwards speech.
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#160 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
I agree, there's a lot of potential for that. But it's cringeworthy enough how writers are pushing comic relief in dialogues in these kind of movies nowadays ... latest worst example was Star Wars VII.

Not sure how Bizzaro would work ... him alone surely wouldn't.
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#146 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Why the fuck does Batman have a gun in the end?
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#148 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
Neither do I know nor do I care.

There's only three exceptions for that "no gun rule" that I know of.
a) The grapple is literally working like a gun.
b) Darkseid.
c) After endgame Bruce Wayne got healed by the dionysium, including being Batman (amnesia and stuff). Bruce Wayne, the man he would have been, had no problem using a rifle against Riddler, Clayface and Mr Freeze. You know, cause he didn't have that trauma and stuff.
Doomsday qualifies for that exception in my book though, so not so much a break with canon.
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#149 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
It's not like bullets are going to do much against someone who's managed to beat the shit out of Superman on numerous occasions.
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#153 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
We both know that IF that thing would shoot something, it certainly would work.
#134 - No, no I haven't but let me guess how it goes, because this is…  [+] (42 replies) 03/29/2016 on Batman dick worship -3
#141 - darkjack (03/29/2016) [-]
tl;dr version of the dark knight returns


1) Gotham has gone to shit, so batman returns (obviously)
2) superman is basicaly the US government's lap dog
3) President tells superman to tell batman to fuck off
4) Batman says no, that's lame
5) Events happen
6) A bomb lands in gotham
7) batman saves the day! (with a lot of help from citizens)
8) more events happen
9) superman makes good on his promise to stop batman
10) Basically superman kicks the crap out of batman and his power suit untill green arrow (if i recall correctly) shoots the arrow filled w. kryptonite dust and glue that batman gave him,
11) batman beats up superman for a minute "don't be a lap dog, I know how to stop you, etc." then fakes a heart attack
12) at batman's funeral superman hears his heart-beat in the last few moments, realizing the ploy


It's been a while, but that's basically it. no best buddy plot, no "we are both being dumb" I think it's one of the best batman vs. superman fights mostly because it shows that batman needed a bit of help (ranged dust delivery, but still help)
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#144 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Also, why the fuck would the US government want to get rid of Bats? He's doing their job. For FREE. He's saving them money.
#207 - zielscheibe (03/29/2016) [-]
exept that most governments - USA government included - have dirty money and criminal ways.

Batman will not tolerate any kind of fuckery , corruption and illigal actions. Not even if the government does it.

Supes is a bit to naive in that matter and as a lapdog does not even see what Bats is worried about until Bats beats him and faces him with the feel of been unable to defeat his enemy.

Wich is basically why the government made Supes their bitch - who will dare stand against a government that hasa Superman trump card ?

A Government with supreme power is ... well most likely not a good thing in the hands of the false people.

And a government is more than just a President or Congressman. There are tons of people , working for the government. And some of them are corrupt and criminal.
But with Supes as their unstopable dggie - nobody dares oppose them.

That is where Batman stepped in.
... or something like that
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#278 - joekerr (03/30/2016) [-]
They sent Superman because Batman was doing the government's job in times of anarchy ... saving the day, making the government lose face ... and stuff before that.
Disregard >>#141, it's not precise. Again, I can only recommend reading that comic and, if you don't want to, at least watch the 2-Part animation movie.

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#142 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
I assume the action was fucking INCREDIBLE, cause that's the only way that shitty plot could ever be turned into a good movie.
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#145 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
I have never seen a worse tl;dr ... Superman vs Batman is only part of the whole plot, it's the climax. I'm not going to spoiler anymore than that guy did.
#250 - darkjack (03/30/2016) [-]
It could have been leagues worse. I only quickly and roughly summarized the portion where superman fights batman. I will say I fucked up by forgetting to mention that this was mainly the bits that involved superman in a comic that would have rather focused on other things.
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#277 - joekerr (03/30/2016) [-]
The whole point of my argument with him was that he was superficial and condescending. That applies to your tl;dr as well, that's why I was critical with it.
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#138 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
"I'ts based on [...]" = Referring to the content/caption we're currently commenting on.
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#137 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
Never was talking about the movie that came out recently, don't know why are you. It's based on Frank Miller's "The Dark Knight Returns", from which many elements Nolan used in "Dark Knight Rises" and probably also were in "Batman v Superman". Haven't watched it yet, can't say.

But as I said, you're pretty superficial. Astoundingly so.

As far as the movie goes ... you haven't even watched the trailer, have you? That reconcilation moment would be Doomsday's arrival.
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#139 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Watched the first trailer. I'm pretty sure I would have noticed an 8 foot rock monster if it'd showed up in there.
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#143 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
See this
Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice  Official Trailer 2 HD
I just spoilered myself, the trailers I've seen till now had less content.

You know ... I was really disappointed when they cancelled the Justice League Movie in 2008 ... <.<

>>#137,

Continuing from there in case you have actually referred to "The Dark Knight Returns" and not the movie with that (>>#134,)

None of that. Watch the movie (it's two parts) or even better, read the comic. Frank Miller did a good job.
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#147 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Also, it's not much of a spoiler if you've read the comics. You know what Supermans' villains are and who's going to have to show up. There's Doomsday, then Braniniac's probably gonna pop up and then eventually Darkseid. Also, if I recall correctly one of those manages to kill Superman and he comes back to life for some reason. Those would probably be amazing twists in the movies if comic-readers didn't already know they're coming.
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#152 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
Doomsday does.

Darkseid is a JL enemy, not sure of Marvel's Thanos is a rip-off of him or vice-cersa, but that guy's the best material for a Justice League movie.

... about comic reading. You don't do that much, do you? You haven't read one of the best Batman comics which are out. Really, you've missed something, read it.
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#254 - foodyquest (03/30/2016) [-]
The writer on thanos was originally basing him off of Matron. But his editor told him that if he was going to rip off a new God he might as well rip off the best one(Darseid) this thanos was born.
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#279 - joekerr (03/30/2016) [-]
Yeah, makes sense.
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#156 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
I'm more of a Marvel guy. The only DC characters that have interested me are the Flash and Lanterns. Also Constantine, though I haven't gotten around to reading any of his comics.
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#255 - foodyquest (03/30/2016) [-]
Check out animal man and swamp thing. New 52 written by Scott Snyder they are really good.
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#158 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
This your excuse for being superficial? 'cause that >>#134, is way more like Marvel than DC, because clashes of superheroes are way more common there ... hell, most story arcs are precisely that.
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#164 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Nah, nah. When Marvel does it, they actually kill people. Then bring them back 15 minutes later, because "lol time travel" or fate or magic or whatever bullshit they decide to pull this time. Especially if the X-men are involved in any way. Those guys are like a magnet for bullshit. And they refuse to stay dead. I'm not sure there's a single person on the main X-man roster who hasn't died and come back at least once. And don't get me started on Jean Grey and Wolverine. It's like they're allergic to death. Even after Marvel supposedly killed off Wolverine "for good" they brought in a Wolverine from a different universe and went "Nah, nah. We didn't bring Wolverine back to life. This is a toooooooootally different person.".

DC goes for contrived excuses as to why they didn't kill eachother.
Marvel goes for complete and unbridled bullshit.
#173 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
DC does it, too. Most recent? Batman died. I talked about that below
Robin even broke the 4th wall regarding that, see image.

I didn't refer to that. You kinda dodging the subject, you know? X-Men vs X-Men, X-Men vs Avengers, Inhumans vs ?, Punisher vs Daredevil, [...]. They are mostly like you described.
... hell, the whole civil war went that way until Steve Rogers "died".
I'd even say it was a big part of the secret wars shtick.

Regarding Old Man Logan, I'm quite sure he'll offer a way of revivng the actual Wolverine - they haven't showed the statue yet, have they? Did you read "Wolverines", before Secret Wars? Quite sure Mister Sinister almost got him out of the adamantium casing.

But dude ... how are you such a condescending smartass on something you don't know shit about ? That's dangerous, you could be pointed out for that. You are wrong in so many regards it should be embarassing.
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#175 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
I wasn't acting condescending, I'm just a bitter asshole, who's really tired of how painfully predictable superhero movies are. As for the formula, yes, Marvel follows it pretty often. I think they just try to reduce the number of bullshit resurrections by making sure no one dies and instead they kiss and make up for some bullshit reason. It's kind of hard to avoid, because, as you said, most Marvel arcs are just someone fighting someone else, whereas DC does a hero vs hero comic pretty rarely. I'm certain if they did crossovers as often as Marvel does, they'd be pulling the exact same shit, because it's so easy and convenient. And lazy.

Regarding old man Logan, I honestly neither know nor care. Right now Marvel's in this weird place where they're resetting the universe every 15 seconds and giving the rights to the characters to anyone and everyone, because they don't give a shit about the comics anymore, since the movies are making them far more cash. I've decided to stop even trying to make sense of this clusterfuck until Marvel finally gets their shit sorted. Which doesn't seem like it'll be soon.
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#179 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
Hmm, I wouldn't say bitter asshole. Cynical something is ok, but bitter's too nice. And also I won't call you an asshole, that's too easy.

I think they are. That's what the secret wars did bring with themselves. Dust is settling down.
What I find way more alarming is all the sjw-bullshit, like retroactively making Ice-Man gay and female hurr durr Thor I bet you Odinson'll pick upt Ultimate Thor's mjolnir You read "Thors" and read "Thor"? If not, sry for spoilering I don't mind a gay super-hero or a female nordish god, just don't make it forced ... reasonable is enough ... like Sam Wilson as Captain America or Miles Morales as Spider-Man . Making something "diverse" just to be "diverse" is not emancipating ... well, at least the special snowflakes are happy, even if they don't read comics. But yes, I generally agree.
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#183 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
She-Thor is fucking irredeemable, though. Fuck that identity-stealing bitch. I was hoping she would be used as a plot device, so when Thor sees her being a bitch he goes "Is this what I look like from the side? I should probably stop being an asshole." and he becomes worthy again. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened yet. Your version, where he picks up a different hammer, seems more likely, since it'd let both characters exist at the same time. Even though she still took part in fucking identity theft.
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#186 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
It's not my "version", it's my prediction.

I still really really want to know that secret that made him unworthy do begin with.
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#189 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
I'm pretty sure not even the writer who came up with that knows what the secret is, it's just there to tease people. They're probably never going to reveal it, instead just pretending it never happened and hoping we eventually forget and stop asking what the secret is.
#191 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
I doubt it. They may have forgotten, but there must have been some idea. But even if not, it'd be boring and weak.

As to the prediction ... spoiler alert That hammer's the Ultimate Thor's mjolnir (we see how it gets there in Thors) and the horrible thing is a poisonous stabbing of Thor's mother. . You'll need to read the secret wars tie in "Thors" - see here www.comicastle.org/manga-thors.html - and the Thor run after the wars - here www.comicastle.org/manga-mighty-thor-vol-2-2015.html .
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#193 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Let me guess. The first one's the thing with the frog with Thor powers.
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#204 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
Dunno what you mean, but these are the two last pages of the latest issue.
#181 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Yes, that's exactly what I meant by "giving the rights to the characters to anyone and everyone". The SJW stuff isn't a decision Marvel made, they didn't just have a meeting one day and go "OK, we need more diversity. Who can we make black?". The reason those SJW comics exist is because a bunch of shitty SJW writers asked Marvel if they could make a comic and Marvel agreed, because they don't give a shit anymore. Also, I wouldn't call Wilson forced. He's fucking Falcon - Captain USAs' best friend and colleague. He's been an Avenger for years and Cap trusts him, so that's why he was picked as a temporary replacement. Even Falcon himself comments on how fucking obvious the choice was. It's like how Tony often lets Warmachine fill in for him, because they're friends. As for Morales, at least he got lucky. He started off forced and shitty, but he got a good writer and now he's actually grown into a proper character, not just the black spider man.

And I thought bitter was worse than cynical.
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#185 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
You must have overlooked "_I don't mind [...]". Wilson was a good replacement ... never argued that. Ice-Man and female Thor were the points I argued and you ignored.

Morales never was the black/latino Spider-Man, just the Ultimate Spider-Man's replacement, after that one "died". Just as Wilson, a good replacement, but new character.

Those two were examples that I said were good "diversity"-things - that's why I sad "I don't mind" -, but they weren't "diverse" for the sake of being "diverse" and that's the whole point.

Calling you cynical is me being nice to you. BItter - just as cynical - wouldn't imply that superficial way of thinking. Cynical, however, would be an euphemism you should be happy with.
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#187 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Shit, I missed that part.
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#188 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
np
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#151 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
OH, and Bizzaro. That'd be awesome to see in a movie.
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#154 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
How about Vandal Savage? Metallo?

... look, idc which villain or characters they use. If they do a good job, each one has potential for 180 minutes entertainment. If we talk about movies, that is.
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#159 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Not sure about Metallo, but Savage would definitely be interesting, seeing as how he's one of the few people Superman can't really get rid of by punching them really really hard. However, I was thinking of Bizzaro mostly because of the comedy potential with the backwards speech.
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#160 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
I agree, there's a lot of potential for that. But it's cringeworthy enough how writers are pushing comic relief in dialogues in these kind of movies nowadays ... latest worst example was Star Wars VII.

Not sure how Bizzaro would work ... him alone surely wouldn't.
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#146 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Why the fuck does Batman have a gun in the end?
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#148 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
Neither do I know nor do I care.

There's only three exceptions for that "no gun rule" that I know of.
a) The grapple is literally working like a gun.
b) Darkseid.
c) After endgame Bruce Wayne got healed by the dionysium, including being Batman (amnesia and stuff). Bruce Wayne, the man he would have been, had no problem using a rifle against Riddler, Clayface and Mr Freeze. You know, cause he didn't have that trauma and stuff.
Doomsday qualifies for that exception in my book though, so not so much a break with canon.
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#149 - thechosentroll (03/29/2016) [-]
It's not like bullets are going to do much against someone who's managed to beat the shit out of Superman on numerous occasions.
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#153 - joekerr (03/29/2016) [-]
We both know that IF that thing would shoot something, it certainly would work.