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#9015583 - No Always no 06/13/2014 on gay man cruising spot 0
#9015541 - Also Mexican cartel constantly giving our country a rim job 06/13/2014 on gay man cruising spot 0
#9015535 - I really don't understand why people get so bothered by americ…  [+] (7 new replies) 06/13/2014 on gay man cruising spot 0
User avatar #9015709 - xxangelisxx (06/13/2014) [-]
He asked, I answered.

My rights do not end where your feelings begin.
User avatar #9015726 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
What the fuck does that have to do with anything
User avatar #9015737 - xxangelisxx (06/13/2014) [-]
Your desperate attempt to defend them and the arrogance of yours.
User avatar #9015755 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
You're not even making sense at this point
User avatar #9015759 - xxangelisxx (06/13/2014) [-]
Neither are you.
User avatar #9015768 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
It doesn't make sense to you that people won't know as much about places far away from them as they do places a few hundred miles from them
User avatar #9015541 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
Also Mexican cartel constantly giving our country a rim job
#9015483 - jump off a building and see if you feel anything 06/13/2014 on gay man cruising spot +1
#276040 - Our day is coming, white devil Just you wait  [+] (1 new reply) 06/13/2014 on Hating - file complaints,... +3
User avatar #276052 - majormayor (06/13/2014) [-]
Dat smug grin of MLK.
#276039 - If I could speculate on that, I would say the slut/whore insul…  [+] (4 new replies) 06/13/2014 on Hating - file complaints,... 0
User avatar #276050 - thebestpieever (06/13/2014) [-]
Well, that's precisely my point. You say, males tend to be the one that approach women and are the ones that instigate this dynamic. Now, the question that one ought to ask is "why is that the case?". Sure, in nature the working is very similar, but humans have a knack for breaking natural systems. One ought to ask themselves why is it that despite giving them the power to choose their partner, our culture still encourages women to passively wait for the options that are laid down in fron of them instead of pro actively looking for it. And how one may fix that.

Hanlon's razor, I think is a way of explaining malicious systems carried out by non-malicious people. While I don't think there's some dude out there named Bill Patriarchy who dedicates his days to keep women in what he judges to be their place, I do believe completely non-malicious people acting out things they consider natural on an emotional level do keep these systems in place. And rationalising both their effects, and just why one might carry on with them or not is a way to changing or outright erasing them. Once you understand the system then it no longer applies to you.
User avatar #276059 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
I don't know why you think humans are somehow outside of these "natural systems." In fact the only way you can really define a natural system is something outside of what's been created by humans, which is an arbitrary point since they are essentially one and the same, humans being a product of nature and all can't truly make an unnatural product themselves. It's just an extension of nature.

I would like to point out that I never really disagreed with you here, I was just talking. Anyway, as far as the whole passivity thing is concerned, I think it already is more or less "fixed." The way I see it we're currently in the middle of the shift toward gender equality and the people we're describing are little more than remnants of the previous common type of thinking. Already men who act that way are commonly seen less like alpha males and more like degenerates.

I wholeheartedly agree with that last sentence, actually goes along with what I was going to say at the end of my last comment but decided against it. Like a lot of problems it boils down to the education, awareness, and intellect of the general population. That's also why I've been against most of what I've seen under the YesAllWomen trend, a lot of it is just people with misguided ideas spewing misrepresented facts and hate. It's counter productive.
User avatar #276062 - thebestpieever (06/13/2014) [-]
Well, that nature thing is mainly semantics. I don't think human created systems are natural. Otherwise, the very word natural becomes meaningless because if everything is natural, then nothing is unnatural and both words become redudant. After all if everything is natural then there's no need to describe it as such, it just is. And if nothing is unnatural because everything is natural, then that word becomes increasingly unhelpful as well in usual discourse.

No. I hold that nature's systems are to be taken as more or less self-preserving cycles that allow species to continue to grow and change through generational replication and natural selection, the new generation born only to do the same. This process being in service of the other organism's around them. Human systems on the other hand are less cyclical and less linear. Not in theory, but in practice most of human action has resulted in a countdown to extinction to many species and has resulted in certain areas of the planet to become death zones. I don't think unnatural practically means bad, nor am I suggesting to ditch what I consider unnatural systems in order to go back to the simple natural ones. But I do think they're an alteration to what was already in place.
User avatar #276063 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
It certainly is semantics, but I think in this case it has a big impact on the way a lot of people think about things. It subtly drives the idea that humans are somehow special, separated from and above nature, which sets the two up in opposition. Making that distinction is one of the few things I'll go out of my way to make a point about. Honestly I'd like to see the whole "unnatural" concept removed from human vocabulary entirely and replaced with something more accurate, though I don't know what that could be

Human level intelligence certainly did change the game. It's fed into a completely new era of complexity and social development quite literally unthinkable beforehand. I just see these complex new systems as extensions and new developments in the larger system that created them rather than a different system broken off from another.
#276030 - I think I am black, therefore I am black gib minority…  [+] (3 new replies) 06/13/2014 on Hating - file complaints,... +5
User avatar #276032 - thebestpieever (06/13/2014) [-]
No, go back to pick my cotton.
#276040 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
Our day is coming, white devil

Just you wait
User avatar #276052 - majormayor (06/13/2014) [-]
Dat smug grin of MLK.
#276029 - **theblondefetus rolls 0** test  [+] (3 new replies) 06/13/2014 on Hating - file complaints,... 0
User avatar #276135 - nefarian (06/13/2014) [-]
**nefarian rolls 5** minus this with 2, and you get the right number
User avatar #276237 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
Well damn
#276026 - I wouldn't go as far to say any or half, but I guess that does…  [+] (6 new replies) 06/13/2014 on Hating - file complaints,... 0
User avatar #276031 - thebestpieever (06/13/2014) [-]
Yeah, but it does say a lot that the go to insult for men is being stupid, or "a douchebag" or whatever. But with women they're "sluts" or they're "ugly bitches". Plus, really, go see any video with a woman in it and I can attest a good chunk of the comments is something along the lines of "I wanna do her so hard". Which is not unseen, but certainly much less common on similar content with a male host.
User avatar #276039 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
If I could speculate on that, I would say the slut/whore insults are derived from centuries of sex being looked at as shameful, puritanism and all that, and it won't completely go away until our cultures in general are more accepting of sex in general.

And with the prevalence of those types of comments, again speculation, but it may have a lot to do with the usual dynamic male-female relationships have, that is to say males being the ones to approach and females being the ones to judge and accept. Essentially, in sexual situations males are usually the instigators and this dynamic could manifest itself subconsciously making women less likely to vocalize thoughts like that than men even though a roughly equal number feel them.

In any case I don't believe it's anything as insidious as evidence of a male dominated world trying to keep women down. Hanlon's razor feels appropriate here. It may just be because we've got a lot of stupid people.
User avatar #276050 - thebestpieever (06/13/2014) [-]
Well, that's precisely my point. You say, males tend to be the one that approach women and are the ones that instigate this dynamic. Now, the question that one ought to ask is "why is that the case?". Sure, in nature the working is very similar, but humans have a knack for breaking natural systems. One ought to ask themselves why is it that despite giving them the power to choose their partner, our culture still encourages women to passively wait for the options that are laid down in fron of them instead of pro actively looking for it. And how one may fix that.

Hanlon's razor, I think is a way of explaining malicious systems carried out by non-malicious people. While I don't think there's some dude out there named Bill Patriarchy who dedicates his days to keep women in what he judges to be their place, I do believe completely non-malicious people acting out things they consider natural on an emotional level do keep these systems in place. And rationalising both their effects, and just why one might carry on with them or not is a way to changing or outright erasing them. Once you understand the system then it no longer applies to you.
User avatar #276059 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
I don't know why you think humans are somehow outside of these "natural systems." In fact the only way you can really define a natural system is something outside of what's been created by humans, which is an arbitrary point since they are essentially one and the same, humans being a product of nature and all can't truly make an unnatural product themselves. It's just an extension of nature.

I would like to point out that I never really disagreed with you here, I was just talking. Anyway, as far as the whole passivity thing is concerned, I think it already is more or less "fixed." The way I see it we're currently in the middle of the shift toward gender equality and the people we're describing are little more than remnants of the previous common type of thinking. Already men who act that way are commonly seen less like alpha males and more like degenerates.

I wholeheartedly agree with that last sentence, actually goes along with what I was going to say at the end of my last comment but decided against it. Like a lot of problems it boils down to the education, awareness, and intellect of the general population. That's also why I've been against most of what I've seen under the YesAllWomen trend, a lot of it is just people with misguided ideas spewing misrepresented facts and hate. It's counter productive.
User avatar #276062 - thebestpieever (06/13/2014) [-]
Well, that nature thing is mainly semantics. I don't think human created systems are natural. Otherwise, the very word natural becomes meaningless because if everything is natural, then nothing is unnatural and both words become redudant. After all if everything is natural then there's no need to describe it as such, it just is. And if nothing is unnatural because everything is natural, then that word becomes increasingly unhelpful as well in usual discourse.

No. I hold that nature's systems are to be taken as more or less self-preserving cycles that allow species to continue to grow and change through generational replication and natural selection, the new generation born only to do the same. This process being in service of the other organism's around them. Human systems on the other hand are less cyclical and less linear. Not in theory, but in practice most of human action has resulted in a countdown to extinction to many species and has resulted in certain areas of the planet to become death zones. I don't think unnatural practically means bad, nor am I suggesting to ditch what I consider unnatural systems in order to go back to the simple natural ones. But I do think they're an alteration to what was already in place.
User avatar #276063 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
It certainly is semantics, but I think in this case it has a big impact on the way a lot of people think about things. It subtly drives the idea that humans are somehow special, separated from and above nature, which sets the two up in opposition. Making that distinction is one of the few things I'll go out of my way to make a point about. Honestly I'd like to see the whole "unnatural" concept removed from human vocabulary entirely and replaced with something more accurate, though I don't know what that could be

Human level intelligence certainly did change the game. It's fed into a completely new era of complexity and social development quite literally unthinkable beforehand. I just see these complex new systems as extensions and new developments in the larger system that created them rather than a different system broken off from another.
#276011 - Remember the yesallwomen thing? Well they've moved on…  [+] (14 new replies) 06/13/2014 on Hating - file complaints,... +2
User avatar #276076 - nimba (06/13/2014) [-]
that's idiotic. So idiotic that it's not even a threat to common sense
User avatar #276055 - majormayor (06/13/2014) [-]
I don't even know how they jumped onto this conclusion.
User avatar #276056 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
Mindlessly, I'd assume.
User avatar #276058 - majormayor (06/13/2014) [-]
Fair enough an answer.
User avatar #276019 - thebestpieever (06/13/2014) [-]
It wasn't all stupid rubbish, though. Like, I saw one of 'em about how any piece of media regardless of tone or subject matter that includes a woman will always have around half of its comments devoted to how attractive the woman is or is not.
User avatar #276075 - nimba (06/13/2014) [-]
that's just the ugly women though
User avatar #276026 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
I wouldn't go as far to say any or half, but I guess that does have some validity

However I do believe that for every man who obsesses over the looks of all the women around him, there's a woman doing the same with the men around her. It's not like women don't sexualize men as well. Furthermore I don't see that that has to necessarily be a problem. We're all sexual beings to some extent and it's evolutionary to seek out and desire those attributes.
User avatar #276031 - thebestpieever (06/13/2014) [-]
Yeah, but it does say a lot that the go to insult for men is being stupid, or "a douchebag" or whatever. But with women they're "sluts" or they're "ugly bitches". Plus, really, go see any video with a woman in it and I can attest a good chunk of the comments is something along the lines of "I wanna do her so hard". Which is not unseen, but certainly much less common on similar content with a male host.
User avatar #276039 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
If I could speculate on that, I would say the slut/whore insults are derived from centuries of sex being looked at as shameful, puritanism and all that, and it won't completely go away until our cultures in general are more accepting of sex in general.

And with the prevalence of those types of comments, again speculation, but it may have a lot to do with the usual dynamic male-female relationships have, that is to say males being the ones to approach and females being the ones to judge and accept. Essentially, in sexual situations males are usually the instigators and this dynamic could manifest itself subconsciously making women less likely to vocalize thoughts like that than men even though a roughly equal number feel them.

In any case I don't believe it's anything as insidious as evidence of a male dominated world trying to keep women down. Hanlon's razor feels appropriate here. It may just be because we've got a lot of stupid people.
User avatar #276050 - thebestpieever (06/13/2014) [-]
Well, that's precisely my point. You say, males tend to be the one that approach women and are the ones that instigate this dynamic. Now, the question that one ought to ask is "why is that the case?". Sure, in nature the working is very similar, but humans have a knack for breaking natural systems. One ought to ask themselves why is it that despite giving them the power to choose their partner, our culture still encourages women to passively wait for the options that are laid down in fron of them instead of pro actively looking for it. And how one may fix that.

Hanlon's razor, I think is a way of explaining malicious systems carried out by non-malicious people. While I don't think there's some dude out there named Bill Patriarchy who dedicates his days to keep women in what he judges to be their place, I do believe completely non-malicious people acting out things they consider natural on an emotional level do keep these systems in place. And rationalising both their effects, and just why one might carry on with them or not is a way to changing or outright erasing them. Once you understand the system then it no longer applies to you.
User avatar #276059 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
I don't know why you think humans are somehow outside of these "natural systems." In fact the only way you can really define a natural system is something outside of what's been created by humans, which is an arbitrary point since they are essentially one and the same, humans being a product of nature and all can't truly make an unnatural product themselves. It's just an extension of nature.

I would like to point out that I never really disagreed with you here, I was just talking. Anyway, as far as the whole passivity thing is concerned, I think it already is more or less "fixed." The way I see it we're currently in the middle of the shift toward gender equality and the people we're describing are little more than remnants of the previous common type of thinking. Already men who act that way are commonly seen less like alpha males and more like degenerates.

I wholeheartedly agree with that last sentence, actually goes along with what I was going to say at the end of my last comment but decided against it. Like a lot of problems it boils down to the education, awareness, and intellect of the general population. That's also why I've been against most of what I've seen under the YesAllWomen trend, a lot of it is just people with misguided ideas spewing misrepresented facts and hate. It's counter productive.
User avatar #276062 - thebestpieever (06/13/2014) [-]
Well, that nature thing is mainly semantics. I don't think human created systems are natural. Otherwise, the very word natural becomes meaningless because if everything is natural, then nothing is unnatural and both words become redudant. After all if everything is natural then there's no need to describe it as such, it just is. And if nothing is unnatural because everything is natural, then that word becomes increasingly unhelpful as well in usual discourse.

No. I hold that nature's systems are to be taken as more or less self-preserving cycles that allow species to continue to grow and change through generational replication and natural selection, the new generation born only to do the same. This process being in service of the other organism's around them. Human systems on the other hand are less cyclical and less linear. Not in theory, but in practice most of human action has resulted in a countdown to extinction to many species and has resulted in certain areas of the planet to become death zones. I don't think unnatural practically means bad, nor am I suggesting to ditch what I consider unnatural systems in order to go back to the simple natural ones. But I do think they're an alteration to what was already in place.
User avatar #276063 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
It certainly is semantics, but I think in this case it has a big impact on the way a lot of people think about things. It subtly drives the idea that humans are somehow special, separated from and above nature, which sets the two up in opposition. Making that distinction is one of the few things I'll go out of my way to make a point about. Honestly I'd like to see the whole "unnatural" concept removed from human vocabulary entirely and replaced with something more accurate, though I don't know what that could be

Human level intelligence certainly did change the game. It's fed into a completely new era of complexity and social development quite literally unthinkable beforehand. I just see these complex new systems as extensions and new developments in the larger system that created them rather than a different system broken off from another.
User avatar #276015 - revengeforfreeze (06/13/2014) [-]
This is what happens when you crack down on bullying give people with USI a platform to speak
#9014795 - I have no idea what that is 06/13/2014 on gay man cruising spot 0
#9014751 - Roughly translates to "I'm a brainwashed simpleton"  [+] (2 new replies) 06/13/2014 on gay man cruising spot 0
User avatar #9014784 - joshlol (06/13/2014) [-]
>taking ALLCAPSBRO seriously
User avatar #9014795 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
I have no idea what that is
#9014726 - Or really, really stupid 06/13/2014 on gay man cruising spot 0
#110 - In all my time here I don't think I've seen but one person wit…  [+] (1 new reply) 06/13/2014 on HA-HA disabilities 0
User avatar #111 - atomicman (06/13/2014) [-]
he had something with fetus too. He thumbed down like fucking 4 full pages of comments. So I set profile to private. Figured it was him as you initially downvoted without commenting
#9014684 - me neither 06/13/2014 on gay man cruising spot 0
#9014675 - who r u  [+] (2 new replies) 06/13/2014 on gay man cruising spot 0
User avatar #9014681 - nazo (06/13/2014) [-]
i dont know
User avatar #9014684 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
me neither
#108 - >blocking me >thumbing down a bunch of my other comm…  [+] (3 new replies) 06/13/2014 on HA-HA disabilities 0
User avatar #109 - atomicman (06/13/2014) [-]
yea I thought you were one of the fags that I had a fight with, your name reminded me of him. Sec will fix
User avatar #110 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
In all my time here I don't think I've seen but one person with a name anything like mine and he was pretty cool

Weird
User avatar #111 - atomicman (06/13/2014) [-]
he had something with fetus too. He thumbed down like fucking 4 full pages of comments. So I set profile to private. Figured it was him as you initially downvoted without commenting
#9014662 - I guess you could put it that way 06/13/2014 on gay man cruising spot 0
#9014644 - It's intoxicating  [+] (2 new replies) 06/13/2014 on gay man cruising spot 0
User avatar #9014654 - holyfool (06/13/2014) [-]
You're attracted to the smell of your own pheromones...
User avatar #9014662 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
I guess you could put it that way
#9014638 - so gud 06/13/2014 on gay man cruising spot 0
#9014637 - I seriously can't stop smelling them What's wrong with me 06/13/2014 on gay man cruising spot 0
#107 - I'm just really glad I got to use the phrase "neither 'ne… 06/13/2014 on HA-HA disabilities 0
#9014622 - I love the smell of my own sweaty armpits  [+] (8 new replies) 06/13/2014 on gay man cruising spot 0
#9014639 - holyfool (06/13/2014) [-]
User avatar #9014644 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
It's intoxicating
User avatar #9014654 - holyfool (06/13/2014) [-]
You're attracted to the smell of your own pheromones...
User avatar #9014662 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
I guess you could put it that way
#9014631 - caprisunguy (06/13/2014) [-]
User avatar #9014638 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
so gud
#9014624 - fizzor (06/13/2014) [-]
User avatar #9014637 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
I seriously can't stop smelling them

What's wrong with me
#9014618 - three dog was kind of annoying  [+] (1 new reply) 06/13/2014 on gay man cruising spot 0
#9014626 - rambomanthree (06/13/2014) [-]
so was Mr. New vegas

#105 - Either has nothing to do with agreeing to disagree. In fact, n…  [+] (6 new replies) 06/13/2014 on HA-HA disabilities +1
User avatar #106 - atomicman (06/13/2014) [-]
Ah yes I see what you mean. Very well then, this one's yours. But don't think you've seen the last of me
User avatar #108 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
>blocking me
>thumbing down a bunch of my other comments for no reason

okay r00d

I thought we made up ;~;
User avatar #109 - atomicman (06/13/2014) [-]
yea I thought you were one of the fags that I had a fight with, your name reminded me of him. Sec will fix
User avatar #110 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
In all my time here I don't think I've seen but one person with a name anything like mine and he was pretty cool

Weird
User avatar #111 - atomicman (06/13/2014) [-]
he had something with fetus too. He thumbed down like fucking 4 full pages of comments. So I set profile to private. Figured it was him as you initially downvoted without commenting
#107 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
I'm just really glad I got to use the phrase "neither 'neither' nor 'either'"

Off we go then
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User avatar #174 - theblondefetus (10/20/2013) [+] (29 replies)
stickied by theblondefetus
User avatar #271 - Sunset (09/12/2014) [-]
don't break the rules again
#272 to #271 - theblondefetus (09/12/2014) [-]
Thanks, good to have my original account back   
   
But  just for the record I didn't realize I was breaking any rules when it happened anyway
Thanks, good to have my original account back

But just for the record I didn't realize I was breaking any rules when it happened anyway
User avatar #273 to #272 - Sunset (09/12/2014) [-]
yeah, but i still have to tell you that
User avatar #274 to #273 - theblondefetus (09/12/2014) [-]
Ah, of course
User avatar #269 - andranadu ONLINE (06/15/2014) [-]
im a faggot
am i doing it right
User avatar #268 - kilroydotexe (06/15/2014) [-]
fag
User avatar #267 - thewitchking (06/15/2014) [-]
You're a faggot
User avatar #265 - pongldr (06/15/2014) [-]
m8 u r SUCH a faggot
User avatar #264 - jonglio ONLINE (06/15/2014) [-]
Faggot
User avatar #263 - fizzor (06/15/2014) [-]
FAGGOT
User avatar #262 - Sunset (06/15/2014) [-]
faggot
#233 - theblondefetus (06/13/2014) [-]
test
test
User avatar #227 - Benry (06/11/2014) [-]
How was your final day of school?
#228 to #227 - theblondefetus (06/11/2014) [-]
I'm surprised you even bothered asking

It was alright. I don't have many close friends anyway, and there's still graduation to get done with so no real goodbyes yet. Have to say I'm not going to miss that school at all, though.
#229 to #228 - Benry (06/11/2014) [-]
You know you my 						*****					, 						*****					.
You know you my ***** , ***** .
#230 to #229 - theblondefetus (06/11/2014) [-]
Quite so, my negro
User avatar #231 to #230 - Benry (06/11/2014) [-]
So how is it going, my Caucasian American brother?
User avatar #232 to #231 - theblondefetus (06/11/2014) [-]
Currently, tired. It's not even 11:30 but I feel like ****

Yourself?
User avatar #225 - sebthebrony (06/05/2014) [-]
anon go awey
User avatar #226 to #225 - theblondefetus (06/05/2014) [-]
It worked

thx
User avatar #223 - Nine ONLINE (03/13/2014) [-]
How do you know your blonde, if your a fetus?
User avatar #224 to #223 - theblondefetus (03/13/2014) [-]
They had me tested as an embryo when they were installing the wifi
#221 - anonymous (02/27/2014) [-]
<3 good to know someone does
User avatar #222 to #221 - theblondefetus (02/27/2014) [-]
Wait what?
User avatar #220 - Ohforf ONLINE (02/26/2014) [-]
User avatar #219 - wishiluis ONLINE (02/26/2014) [-]
I believe you're on my "You are a ****** " list.
User avatar #218 - lurkerlarry (02/26/2014) [-]
My sources tell me that you're a ****** .
#215 - anonymous (02/16/2014) [-]
you should post a picture of your dick after the incident
User avatar #216 to #215 - theblondefetus (02/16/2014) [-]
I wish I would've taken a picture after it happened. Would've been useful now
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