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#16 - qualtor (03/13/2015) [-]
Its not about hating anyone that's different from you, its about the perception that many European countries are forcing Muslim religious education on children.
While this is very hypocritical of some (very loud) Americans, most of us believe that religion is an individual's choice, not a matter of public mandate, and religion should be avoided in public schools because of this.
Yes, America has a great deal of christian undertones and overtones in it's governmental documentation too, no one is perfect
#34 - rainyeyes (03/14/2015) [-]
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But what's wrong with teaching them muslim culture? If they're to become a part of society, Muslims need to learn European culture, and vice versa. If not, there will be perpetual cultural segregation and racial divide due to cultural insensitivity. If it's not forced on them, they'll make a free and voluntary decision to pick whatever religion or culture to follow.
#35 - qualtor (03/14/2015) [-]
the problem is that it is forced on them as much as Christianity is forced on children in the bible belt of america that's the perception I'm getting from the news articles I've read, as i stated in the post
Personally, i'm a firm believer in teaching purely factual education in schools, and letting anyone who wants to find out more about those religions they hear about in history classes do so on their own time.
It would be a lot easier for the newer generations as they now have internet access on their toasters and fairly free rein over what they do at a young age
#36 - rainyeyes (03/14/2015) [-]
But you can't raise a generation purely on facts. Humans, children, people, are social entities and have subjective perceptions. Teaching them what's good and bad is entrenched in religion which is the basis for teaching children how to be respectful and kind to others. Religion shouldn't be forced upon children, of course, but their values shouldn't be neglected either because all religions have some very worthwhile lessons and morals to be taught that are universal, regardless of faith. Educational institutions should teach children how to read, write, do math, as well as have some social and life lessons.
#41 - rainyeyes (03/14/2015) [-]
And you don't think those morals aren't necessary to uphold order in society? It's the same shit today if it weren't in the past. Children growing up without guidance would perform the same crimes in the past if they weren't properly socialized in contemporary society.
#39 - qualtor (03/14/2015) [-]
Morals can be taught outside of religion, though it is "harder" because people don't have thousands of years of experience without religion to draw on. It is much easier to go through a tried and true method such as religion. but that responsibility lies with the child's guardian(s), not people outside of the child's basic care-giving group, usually a family and certain community members introduced by said family.
Yes, families do end up deciding what morals they want a child to learn. no, they arn't stuck with this set of morals and thoughts throughout life. the morals of a person are ever changing and adapting to their environment, even as they age to adulthood. what schools should give them instead of morals is an openness to other's opinions to allow them to change their views later in life if they so choose.
I do think we are saying the same thing though, set some basics down and let them figure it out for themselves. my only problem with that is many religions teach(or used to teach) that others religions are inherently wrong, and instead of trying to understand, you should try to "fix", which is also wrong in my opinion.
#43 - rainyeyes (03/14/2015) [-]
I agree that giving an open discussion on morals, as well as ethics, is an important experience for children, but religion is an important tool used to explain the origins through stories similar to how fables were used to indoctrinate children.
I'm not saying that you should teach religion to children to learn morals, right and wrongs, but to teach right and wrongs with religion. I'm not talking about believing in God either, but merely the principles that are taught within religion.
#18 - karvarausku (03/13/2015) [-]
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**karvarausku rolled image** Yeah Finland has it own laws related to these matters.
11 §. Jokaisella on uskonnon ja omantunnon vapaus.
Uskonnon ja omantunnon vapauteen sisältyy oikeus tunnustaa ja harjoittaa uskontoa, oikeus ilmaista vakaumus ja oikeus kuulua tai olla kuulumatta uskonnolliseen yhdyskuntaan. Kukaan ei ole velvollinen osallistumaan omantuntonsa vastaisesti uskonnon harjoittamiseen.
§ 11. Everyone has the freedom of religion and conscience.
Freedom of religion and conscience entails the right to profess and practice a religion, the right to express one's convictions and the right to belong or not to belong to a religious community. No one is required to participate against their conscience religion.
Also kids aren't allowed to Circumcision, because of this (they have freedom to their own believes and so forth.)
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