The intention isn't to kill the used game market, the intention is to make more money which everyone is out to do without pissing off the market. I'm 100% sure the reason the PS4 reveal was so brief is because they're planning to do the same thing and just want MS to take all the heat.

Given that you can install a game on your hard drive and then forgo the disk, my thought was that the fee is there to prevent someone from installing a game and then selling the disk. One person would actually be buying the game, but X number of people would get to play it. It strikes me as similar to the PC CD codes.

Actually, it's the opposite with PS4. They also aren't making you need internet to use it or play games.

http://www.destructoid.com/sony-ps4-won-t-block-used-games-246220.phtml

Well i'm not blaming MS or Sony for any choice they make in the used game market. After i heard that 300000 copies of Call of Duty MW3 were hijacked along with the trucks that were carrying them across Europe i knew something was going to be done about game authentication. If anyone is to blame for the change in console software it's Activision and EA.

agreed, they are the cancer of the games industry. And EA did partner with Microsoft on the horrible DRM policies. Why do you think they announced they dropped the ideas of online pases a week before the XBone announcement, wehe Microsoft sait they were a partner?

It was from Larry Herb then through Gameinformer who sent a request for confirmation back and it was confirmed. Explained in this youtube video with a bit of exaggeration (the assumption that gamestop will care if they are giving people like 10 cents for trade ins in exchange for 10 buck used games).

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLKtzmAvf3U

As if Gamestop would agree to this. The idea of trying to kill the used games market, specifically gamestop, is a form of anti-trust.

The intention isn't to kill the used game market, the intention is to make more money which everyone is out to do without pissing off the market. I'm 100% sure the reason the PS4 reveal was so brief is because they're planning to do the same thing and just want MS to take all the heat.

Given that you can install a game on your hard drive and then forgo the disk, my thought was that the fee is there to prevent someone from installing a game and then selling the disk. One person would actually be buying the game, but X number of people would get to play it. It strikes me as similar to the PC CD codes.

Actually, it's the opposite with PS4. They also aren't making you need internet to use it or play games.

http://www.destructoid.com/sony-ps4-won-t-block-used-games-246220.phtml

Well i'm not blaming MS or Sony for any choice they make in the used game market. After i heard that 300000 copies of Call of Duty MW3 were hijacked along with the trucks that were carrying them across Europe i knew something was going to be done about game authentication. If anyone is to blame for the change in console software it's Activision and EA.

agreed, they are the cancer of the games industry. And EA did partner with Microsoft on the horrible DRM policies. Why do you think they announced they dropped the ideas of online pases a week before the XBone announcement, wehe Microsoft sait they were a partner?

yeah the thing is like the xbox got that all too and they changed the layout of it so it was near perfect but suddenly its like "hey we have love film on our xbox, lets become a tv company!" i mean if they didnt FOCUS on that id love it like super rapid access and just a better version of the multimedia of the old console, but they did focus and now lost sight of what they actually were. i dont wanna start a flame war about the old ones, that time is past, now i have to try and deal with the fact my favourite company cant even make their own product...

I'd make it recognise my dick so everytime someone wants to play they need my dick (live with a girl and a dude and girl always has mates over, not family, I'm not that fucked up)

says Microsoft .....

yeah 'hey how should we show off how good our new console is?' "well to show how much we care about the consumer lets use ea, and to show our super advanced next gen graphical capabilities, lets use cod which hasnt had good graphics since 2007" xD honestly i think any one of us could have invented a better machine and press conference, all i wanted was a hardware update. the tv stuff is cool, but the fees are like too immoral for me

PS3 already had all this extra non-gaming aspects done perfectly, imo. They're there, but the core of it.

like:
-i can watch blu-ray/dvd/hddvd
-stream netflix and use other aps (i have to pay for those, but no biggie)
-access to them for free without the need to be logged in to it's payed internet service
-and it's payed version of it's online service allows for free games and discounts, all with no useless ads for things gamers aren't interested in, and the ads in PS+ are only about what games are on sale and for how long

it was a better system.

yeah the thing is like the xbox got that all too and they changed the layout of it so it was near perfect but suddenly its like "hey we have love film on our xbox, lets become a tv company!" i mean if they didnt FOCUS on that id love it like super rapid access and just a better version of the multimedia of the old console, but they did focus and now lost sight of what they actually were. i dont wanna start a flame war about the old ones, that time is past, now i have to try and deal with the fact my favourite company cant even make their own product...

now you got It .

I know , and because It comes Integrated It will Increase the the price of the console , while many gamers ( myself Included ) think that the kinect as It is now is just a gimmick

So like at least 150-200+ more on the price of the console just because of this thing no one even likes.

now you got It .

I had planned on covering that shit if I do buy the console .................

It needs to recognize your face.

I'd make it recognise my dick so everytime someone wants to play they need my dick (live with a girl and a dude and girl always has mates over, not family, I'm not that fucked up)

says Microsoft .....

although i agree that they did polish and manufacture fake gameplay for the ea games wich was and is infuriating, im not arguing that its a perfect or even good console haha

It's also a bad Idea to have EA build the gaming aspect of your console, cus you know how they fuck their consumers.

yeah 'hey how should we show off how good our new console is?' "well to show how much we care about the consumer lets use ea, and to show our super advanced next gen graphical capabilities, lets use cod which hasnt had good graphics since 2007" xD honestly i think any one of us could have invented a better machine and press conference, all i wanted was a hardware update. the tv stuff is cool, but the fees are like too immoral for me

PS3 already had all this extra non-gaming aspects done perfectly, imo. They're there, but the core of it.

like:
-i can watch blu-ray/dvd/hddvd
-stream netflix and use other aps (i have to pay for those, but no biggie)
-access to them for free without the need to be logged in to it's payed internet service
-and it's payed version of it's online service allows for free games and discounts, all with no useless ads for things gamers aren't interested in, and the ads in PS+ are only about what games are on sale and for how long

it was a better system.

yeah the thing is like the xbox got that all too and they changed the layout of it so it was near perfect but suddenly its like "hey we have love film on our xbox, lets become a tv company!" i mean if they didnt FOCUS on that id love it like super rapid access and just a better version of the multimedia of the old console, but they did focus and now lost sight of what they actually were. i dont wanna start a flame war about the old ones, that time is past, now i have to try and deal with the fact my favourite company cant even make their own product...

i dunno i dont think it will be, its like how your tv has a remote and buttons on the side, youd prefer to be lazy and use the remote (or kinect in this case), but if you lose it or it breaks then you couldnt use the 300-400$ thing it activates which even by microsofts recent scaming standards they would not do. like durka say, its just a navigational thing. if it was it would be like building a car with detatchable handles on the doors which just wouldnt be feesable not even just as a croud pleaser but as a functioning product

The remote will come out when people complain about how the kinect still doesn't work right.

But it wasn't designed to be a gaming device, it was designed around the TV and the Kinect, then haphazardly threw the xbox in and gimped that with the need to log on to the internet daily and not be able to play used games.

1. You do not need to pay a fee for used games. That was just some bullshit a website made up.
2. Why are you honestly complaining about connecting to the internet daily? You probably do everyday on your computer and i can almost guarantee that if you own a ps3 or 360 you have internet connection on it and have it on auto connect anyway. Same thing.
3. You don't need to use the Kinect to function, it will still work by using a controller. The Kinect just makes it easier, also tons of people love it.
4. They are focusing on non-gaming aspects because they are saving it for E3. Do you honestly think game developers would like them showing all their new games and features at a small press conference. No, so instead Microsoft showed the added bonuses to their system that they think people will love.
5. What does it matter? If you don't like it don't watch it through the xbox. Ohhhh more wires and cables, like you haven't dealt with them before.
6. They contradict themselves because they don't know what they are allowed to say and what they want to save for E3.

Honestly all you people are getting your panties in a bunch over a small press conference. They barely released any details about the damn system and people are already condemning it. Honestly once E3 rolls around and all the specs and info gets released thats when you have a right to bitch, until they all you are saying is heresay.

There isn't a fee for used games... They announced two days ago all they're doing is forcing the retailers to pay them the same percentages as full games for the used games. You might see used games increase by 5 USD or 3 Euro, but on the good side MS is going to be selling really cheap games just like Steam has been.

I hope "retailers" doesn't apply to other secondhand sales services, like eBay.

did that by chance come from phil harrison?

It was from Larry Herb then through Gameinformer who sent a request for confirmation back and it was confirmed. Explained in this youtube video with a bit of exaggeration (the assumption that gamestop will care if they are giving people like 10 cents for trade ins in exchange for 10 buck used games).

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLKtzmAvf3U

As if Gamestop would agree to this. The idea of trying to kill the used games market, specifically gamestop, is a form of anti-trust.

The intention isn't to kill the used game market, the intention is to make more money which everyone is out to do without pissing off the market. I'm 100% sure the reason the PS4 reveal was so brief is because they're planning to do the same thing and just want MS to take all the heat.

Given that you can install a game on your hard drive and then forgo the disk, my thought was that the fee is there to prevent someone from installing a game and then selling the disk. One person would actually be buying the game, but X number of people would get to play it. It strikes me as similar to the PC CD codes.

Actually, it's the opposite with PS4. They also aren't making you need internet to use it or play games.

http://www.destructoid.com/sony-ps4-won-t-block-used-games-246220.phtml

Well i'm not blaming MS or Sony for any choice they make in the used game market. After i heard that 300000 copies of Call of Duty MW3 were hijacked along with the trucks that were carrying them across Europe i knew something was going to be done about game authentication. If anyone is to blame for the change in console software it's Activision and EA.

agreed, they are the cancer of the games industry. And EA did partner with Microsoft on the horrible DRM policies. Why do you think they announced they dropped the ideas of online pases a week before the XBone announcement, wehe Microsoft sait they were a partner?

I don't consider things like the used game fee or required internet connection to be features; They don't make the system capable of doing anything new.

I don't believe the kinect is actually required; If I understand correctly, it's not the only way to navigate the system.


>Focusing on non-gaming aspects.
Isn't this thing just as capable of playing games as the 360? Maybe reiteration isn't needed.

I'd wait for E3 to see if they'll step up the gaming aspects. My guess is that Microsoft is operating under the notion that they already have the gamers; They're trying to focus on "the rest."

"The infinite power of the Cloud" and no one even likes to use the cloud for storing their saves, let alone use it for the 'advanced processing' of some games.

but you have no choice but to pay for the kinect hardware if you decide to buy the console , and I predict that the Xbox One will be more expensive than the PS4

It comes with the Kinect 2.0, just fyi.

I know , and because It comes Integrated It will Increase the the price of the console , while many gamers ( myself Included ) think that the kinect as It is now is just a gimmick

So like at least 150-200+ more on the price of the console just because of this thing no one even likes.

now you got It .

The kinect is required to turn the thing on, for Christ's sake.

also, all the gaming that was shown off was pre-rendered gameplay that they passed off as 'in-game footage' Sure it can play games, but they are artificially making it seem like it is better then it is in that respect.

and under their notions they have pissed off the gamers, the only reason Xbox existed, and driving them away to the competition.

although i agree that they did polish and manufacture fake gameplay for the ea games wich was and is infuriating, im not arguing that its a perfect or even good console haha

It's also a bad Idea to have EA build the gaming aspect of your console, cus you know how they fuck their consumers.

yeah 'hey how should we show off how good our new console is?' "well to show how much we care about the consumer lets use ea, and to show our super advanced next gen graphical capabilities, lets use cod which hasnt had good graphics since 2007" xD honestly i think any one of us could have invented a better machine and press conference, all i wanted was a hardware update. the tv stuff is cool, but the fees are like too immoral for me

PS3 already had all this extra non-gaming aspects done perfectly, imo. They're there, but the core of it.

like:
-i can watch blu-ray/dvd/hddvd
-stream netflix and use other aps (i have to pay for those, but no biggie)
-access to them for free without the need to be logged in to it's payed internet service
-and it's payed version of it's online service allows for free games and discounts, all with no useless ads for things gamers aren't interested in, and the ads in PS+ are only about what games are on sale and for how long

it was a better system.

yeah the thing is like the xbox got that all too and they changed the layout of it so it was near perfect but suddenly its like "hey we have love film on our xbox, lets become a tv company!" i mean if they didnt FOCUS on that id love it like super rapid access and just a better version of the multimedia of the old console, but they did focus and now lost sight of what they actually were. i dont wanna start a flame war about the old ones, that time is past, now i have to try and deal with the fact my favourite company cant even make their own product...

i dunno i dont think it will be, its like how your tv has a remote and buttons on the side, youd prefer to be lazy and use the remote (or kinect in this case), but if you lose it or it breaks then you couldnt use the 300-400$ thing it activates which even by microsofts recent scaming standards they would not do. like durka say, its just a navigational thing. if it was it would be like building a car with detatchable handles on the doors which just wouldnt be feesable not even just as a croud pleaser but as a functioning product

The remote will come out when people complain about how the kinect still doesn't work right.

But it wasn't designed to be a gaming device, it was designed around the TV and the Kinect, then haphazardly threw the xbox in and gimped that with the need to log on to the internet daily and not be able to play used games.

Polygamy defined as marrying more than 1 person is not legal in mist 1st world countries except in specific communities. I think it's just people's personal beliefs. However, there is no law saying that you cannot be in a polygamous relationship, so long as everyone is in agreement and knows what to expect, no one really has any right to complain.

Uhhh... no.

Christ taught, "Love each other", when asked what the most important commandments are, Christ replied, "Love God, for if you love God you will not sin against him. Love your fellow man, for if you love your fellow man you will not sin against him."

The last command he had for his followers before he ascended into heaven was to love each other.

There for, a Christian that doesn't show love in their actions is not a true Christian.

He's not hating them, he's expressing his views. Each of his views (excl. interracial marriage) are explicitly against the faith,

Who the hell would want more than one wife?

threeways? orgies?

thats polygamy

you know what i mean.

Polygamy defined as marrying more than 1 person is not legal in mist 1st world countries except in specific communities. I think it's just people's personal beliefs. However, there is no law saying that you cannot be in a polygamous relationship, so long as everyone is in agreement and knows what to expect, no one really has any right to complain.

Don't do it like that. It's hurtful to see.

5x - 6 = 20
5x = 26
...

Good job?