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#14 - Comment deleted 01/09/2016 on (untitled) +21
#7 - Never watched Jojo, but I saw this scene at a firends house …  [+] (1 new reply) 01/09/2016 on jojojojojjojojojojojojojojo +27
#16 - asasqw (01/09/2016) [-]
www.crunchyroll.com/jojos-bizarre-adventure That seance in particular is from part 2, make it all the better that those two fucks are Nazis
#17 - No one mentioning the absolute majesty of that image 01/09/2016 on I liked him in the movie...... +12
#69 - >New Order >Obviously hasnt seen the movie 4+ times …  [+] (3 new replies) 01/09/2016 on Avatar: The last sick spinner +23
#71 - thepizzadevourer (01/09/2016) [-]
That's it, I'm going to bed. Otherwise next I'll be calling the Empire the Impericals or some such rubbish.
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#153 - daniboyi (01/09/2016) [-]
Don't feel bad. I recently, by accident, called them the new republic.
That is a way worse mistake to make.
#140 - anon (01/09/2016) [-]
i'm imaginaning a pickle imperator now for some reason
#93 - As it turns out I couldnt find the actual sauce for that, it w…  [+] (1 new reply) 01/09/2016 on Need more lightsabers 0
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#95 - ryalag (01/09/2016) [-]
Yeah i read that and saw no mention of Revan. I doubt they would make him canon though as it seems like Disney doesn't give 2 shits about events prior to the prequels.

They could however do something with Revan/The Old Republic with a pretty simple explanation : "Luke was out in that sector looking for an ancient Jedi archive that has the secrets on how to properly train a young Jedi so that something like Kylo Ren doesn't happen again and he gains the knowledge of ancient masters like Revan/Bastilla" and boom just like that Disney has made a whole lot of fans happy with very little effort.
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#39 - It was a new Sith empire, but it wasnt derived from the chaos …  [+] (1 new reply) 01/08/2016 on Need more lightsabers 0
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#40 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
yeah but the sith teachings of the old WERE. passed down. not to mention revans teachings actually succeeded in the revanist faction and in few holograms. also all of the sith empiriums were destroyed one point or another
#37 - After further research, it appears the canon reference to the … 01/08/2016 on Need more lightsabers 0
#36 - He never made a new edict from the chaos of the Sith Empire, i…  [+] (3 new replies) 01/08/2016 on Need more lightsabers 0
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#38 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
oh right.revan lead the new sith empire that came after the mandalorian wars...he also had dealings with the sith empire of the old republic.
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#39 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
It was a new Sith empire, but it wasnt derived from the chaos of the old one, it was created to directly oppose it, the original Sith Empire was still in its prime and strength at the time, Revan created this new one to attempt to make the Republic into an entity that could withstand the Original Sith Empire's impending invasion. It was also destroyed and disbanded, so none of the teachings of this Sith empire were passed down to the lineage of Sith that lead to Palpatine and Vader.
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#40 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
yeah but the sith teachings of the old WERE. passed down. not to mention revans teachings actually succeeded in the revanist faction and in few holograms. also all of the sith empiriums were destroyed one point or another
#34 - its also illogical for Disney to strip everything that was mad…  [+] (7 new replies) 01/08/2016 on Need more lightsabers 0
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#35 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
no its not illogical.they wanted to craft their own continuity. what is illogical however. is to think that a character that is stated to be canon, is not the same as the character was in canon.


until you can either find proof that disney has specifically said "this character is canon, but not his story, not his personal history, not even the major factors of his history LIKE THE SITH EDICT THAT HE REFORMED FROM THE CHAOTIC MESS THAT WAS KNOWN AS THE SITH EMPIRE" then you are the one making illogical claims.
#61 - anon (01/08/2016) [-]
After the sale to Disney, Lucasfilm confirmed that the two trilogies, the Clone Wars series (2008) and the new movies are all canon. Moving forward all comics, books, and video games will also be canon.

"While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the EU consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon."
www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

Current list of canon - timeline
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media#cite_ref-LYC_0-0

angelious your logic is indeed faulty
#37 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
After further research, it appears the canon reference to the video games is the Scourge of Malachor, that and only that, no names. So im actually not sure if Revan is mentioned.

Also to bring this argument back to its origin, in this Kylo is listed as a "Dark warrior" not Sith Apprentice/Acolyte/Initiate
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#36 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
He never made a new edict from the chaos of the Sith Empire, if you are referring to the rule of two, that was a doctrine of Darth Bane.
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#38 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
oh right.revan lead the new sith empire that came after the mandalorian wars...he also had dealings with the sith empire of the old republic.
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#39 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
It was a new Sith empire, but it wasnt derived from the chaos of the old one, it was created to directly oppose it, the original Sith Empire was still in its prime and strength at the time, Revan created this new one to attempt to make the Republic into an entity that could withstand the Original Sith Empire's impending invasion. It was also destroyed and disbanded, so none of the teachings of this Sith empire were passed down to the lineage of Sith that lead to Palpatine and Vader.
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#40 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
yeah but the sith teachings of the old WERE. passed down. not to mention revans teachings actually succeeded in the revanist faction and in few holograms. also all of the sith empiriums were destroyed one point or another
#32 - Ok so now we have a mention of Revan, nowhere is it stated tha…  [+] (9 new replies) 01/08/2016 on Need more lightsabers 0
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#33 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
if the character is stated to be canon, then it is more logical to assume the characters story is canon. since the story is what makes the character. it is highly illogical to think that they would declare a character canon, and then strip of everything from that character that made him who he was.


again. i hate to repeat it but: when you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.
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#34 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
its also illogical for Disney to strip everything that was made about star wars (including all of the Old republic games) as non-canon, but they did it anyway. Whether or not we like it doesn't matter, they own the franchise, they decide what is and is not canon. They said The old republic is not canon. They can bring a new interpretation of a character from that universe if they want to because they are literally rewriting it. You can make as many assumptions and speculations you want, but that doesn't make them true.
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#35 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
no its not illogical.they wanted to craft their own continuity. what is illogical however. is to think that a character that is stated to be canon, is not the same as the character was in canon.


until you can either find proof that disney has specifically said "this character is canon, but not his story, not his personal history, not even the major factors of his history LIKE THE SITH EDICT THAT HE REFORMED FROM THE CHAOTIC MESS THAT WAS KNOWN AS THE SITH EMPIRE" then you are the one making illogical claims.
#61 - anon (01/08/2016) [-]
After the sale to Disney, Lucasfilm confirmed that the two trilogies, the Clone Wars series (2008) and the new movies are all canon. Moving forward all comics, books, and video games will also be canon.

"While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the EU consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon."
www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

Current list of canon - timeline
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media#cite_ref-LYC_0-0

angelious your logic is indeed faulty
#37 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
After further research, it appears the canon reference to the video games is the Scourge of Malachor, that and only that, no names. So im actually not sure if Revan is mentioned.

Also to bring this argument back to its origin, in this Kylo is listed as a "Dark warrior" not Sith Apprentice/Acolyte/Initiate
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#36 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
He never made a new edict from the chaos of the Sith Empire, if you are referring to the rule of two, that was a doctrine of Darth Bane.
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#38 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
oh right.revan lead the new sith empire that came after the mandalorian wars...he also had dealings with the sith empire of the old republic.
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#39 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
It was a new Sith empire, but it wasnt derived from the chaos of the old one, it was created to directly oppose it, the original Sith Empire was still in its prime and strength at the time, Revan created this new one to attempt to make the Republic into an entity that could withstand the Original Sith Empire's impending invasion. It was also destroyed and disbanded, so none of the teachings of this Sith empire were passed down to the lineage of Sith that lead to Palpatine and Vader.
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#40 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
yeah but the sith teachings of the old WERE. passed down. not to mention revans teachings actually succeeded in the revanist faction and in few holograms. also all of the sith empiriums were destroyed one point or another
#30 - Not tru, just because a named character exists, does not mean …  [+] (11 new replies) 01/08/2016 on Need more lightsabers 0
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#31 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
eu luke was disproven canon by the apperance of the new movie, which doesnt follow the canon. this proves eu luke to be non canon.


your argument is faulty.
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#32 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Ok so now we have a mention of Revan, nowhere is it stated that this Revan is the same Revan, you cant just canonize an entire universe based on the existance of a charatcer
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#33 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
if the character is stated to be canon, then it is more logical to assume the characters story is canon. since the story is what makes the character. it is highly illogical to think that they would declare a character canon, and then strip of everything from that character that made him who he was.


again. i hate to repeat it but: when you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.
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#34 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
its also illogical for Disney to strip everything that was made about star wars (including all of the Old republic games) as non-canon, but they did it anyway. Whether or not we like it doesn't matter, they own the franchise, they decide what is and is not canon. They said The old republic is not canon. They can bring a new interpretation of a character from that universe if they want to because they are literally rewriting it. You can make as many assumptions and speculations you want, but that doesn't make them true.
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#35 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
no its not illogical.they wanted to craft their own continuity. what is illogical however. is to think that a character that is stated to be canon, is not the same as the character was in canon.


until you can either find proof that disney has specifically said "this character is canon, but not his story, not his personal history, not even the major factors of his history LIKE THE SITH EDICT THAT HE REFORMED FROM THE CHAOTIC MESS THAT WAS KNOWN AS THE SITH EMPIRE" then you are the one making illogical claims.
#61 - anon (01/08/2016) [-]
After the sale to Disney, Lucasfilm confirmed that the two trilogies, the Clone Wars series (2008) and the new movies are all canon. Moving forward all comics, books, and video games will also be canon.

"While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the EU consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon."
www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

Current list of canon - timeline
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media#cite_ref-LYC_0-0

angelious your logic is indeed faulty
#37 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
After further research, it appears the canon reference to the video games is the Scourge of Malachor, that and only that, no names. So im actually not sure if Revan is mentioned.

Also to bring this argument back to its origin, in this Kylo is listed as a "Dark warrior" not Sith Apprentice/Acolyte/Initiate
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#36 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
He never made a new edict from the chaos of the Sith Empire, if you are referring to the rule of two, that was a doctrine of Darth Bane.
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#38 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
oh right.revan lead the new sith empire that came after the mandalorian wars...he also had dealings with the sith empire of the old republic.
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#39 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
It was a new Sith empire, but it wasnt derived from the chaos of the old one, it was created to directly oppose it, the original Sith Empire was still in its prime and strength at the time, Revan created this new one to attempt to make the Republic into an entity that could withstand the Original Sith Empire's impending invasion. It was also destroyed and disbanded, so none of the teachings of this Sith empire were passed down to the lineage of Sith that lead to Palpatine and Vader.
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#40 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
yeah but the sith teachings of the old WERE. passed down. not to mention revans teachings actually succeeded in the revanist faction and in few holograms. also all of the sith empiriums were destroyed one point or another
#28 - Disney confirmed the existance of Revan in the elxplanatioon o…  [+] (16 new replies) 01/08/2016 on Need more lightsabers 0
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#77 - ryalag (01/09/2016) [-]
hold the fucking phone, Where can i get source on Disney confirming Revan as canon due to Ren's Lightsaber?
#93 - tacotrainone (01/09/2016) [-]
As it turns out I couldnt find the actual sauce for that, it was just something I had heard on a podcast. The Scourge of Malachor is canon however, but maybe not in the context of the KOTOR game.

Also this is the sauce on Kylos lightsaber info
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#95 - ryalag (01/09/2016) [-]
Yeah i read that and saw no mention of Revan. I doubt they would make him canon though as it seems like Disney doesn't give 2 shits about events prior to the prequels.

They could however do something with Revan/The Old Republic with a pretty simple explanation : "Luke was out in that sector looking for an ancient Jedi archive that has the secrets on how to properly train a young Jedi so that something like Kylo Ren doesn't happen again and he gains the knowledge of ancient masters like Revan/Bastilla" and boom just like that Disney has made a whole lot of fans happy with very little effort.
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#29 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
if revan is canon then the old sith empires are canon since they were still a thing when revan was alive.

again. when you hear revans. think of the sith not zebras.
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#30 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Not tru, just because a named character exists, does not mean the universe built around that character is still canon.

Ex: Luke skywalker is in the new movie therefore all the EU is canon
^Faulty logic
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#31 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
eu luke was disproven canon by the apperance of the new movie, which doesnt follow the canon. this proves eu luke to be non canon.


your argument is faulty.
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#32 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Ok so now we have a mention of Revan, nowhere is it stated that this Revan is the same Revan, you cant just canonize an entire universe based on the existance of a charatcer
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#33 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
if the character is stated to be canon, then it is more logical to assume the characters story is canon. since the story is what makes the character. it is highly illogical to think that they would declare a character canon, and then strip of everything from that character that made him who he was.


again. i hate to repeat it but: when you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.
User avatar
#34 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
its also illogical for Disney to strip everything that was made about star wars (including all of the Old republic games) as non-canon, but they did it anyway. Whether or not we like it doesn't matter, they own the franchise, they decide what is and is not canon. They said The old republic is not canon. They can bring a new interpretation of a character from that universe if they want to because they are literally rewriting it. You can make as many assumptions and speculations you want, but that doesn't make them true.
User avatar
#35 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
no its not illogical.they wanted to craft their own continuity. what is illogical however. is to think that a character that is stated to be canon, is not the same as the character was in canon.


until you can either find proof that disney has specifically said "this character is canon, but not his story, not his personal history, not even the major factors of his history LIKE THE SITH EDICT THAT HE REFORMED FROM THE CHAOTIC MESS THAT WAS KNOWN AS THE SITH EMPIRE" then you are the one making illogical claims.
#61 - anon (01/08/2016) [-]
After the sale to Disney, Lucasfilm confirmed that the two trilogies, the Clone Wars series (2008) and the new movies are all canon. Moving forward all comics, books, and video games will also be canon.

"While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the EU consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon."
www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

Current list of canon - timeline
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media#cite_ref-LYC_0-0

angelious your logic is indeed faulty
#37 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
After further research, it appears the canon reference to the video games is the Scourge of Malachor, that and only that, no names. So im actually not sure if Revan is mentioned.

Also to bring this argument back to its origin, in this Kylo is listed as a "Dark warrior" not Sith Apprentice/Acolyte/Initiate
User avatar
#36 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
He never made a new edict from the chaos of the Sith Empire, if you are referring to the rule of two, that was a doctrine of Darth Bane.
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#38 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
oh right.revan lead the new sith empire that came after the mandalorian wars...he also had dealings with the sith empire of the old republic.
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#39 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
It was a new Sith empire, but it wasnt derived from the chaos of the old one, it was created to directly oppose it, the original Sith Empire was still in its prime and strength at the time, Revan created this new one to attempt to make the Republic into an entity that could withstand the Original Sith Empire's impending invasion. It was also destroyed and disbanded, so none of the teachings of this Sith empire were passed down to the lineage of Sith that lead to Palpatine and Vader.
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#40 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
yeah but the sith teachings of the old WERE. passed down. not to mention revans teachings actually succeeded in the revanist faction and in few holograms. also all of the sith empiriums were destroyed one point or another
#26 - Well firstly the other incarnations of the Sith order are not …  [+] (18 new replies) 01/08/2016 on Need more lightsabers +1
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#27 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
i think disney confirmed swotor and the historical settings to still be canon. but yeah you are right on that part for now.


as for the latter part. when you hear hooves, think siths. not horses.
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#28 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Disney confirmed the existance of Revan in the elxplanatioon of Kylo Ren's lightsaber, but he is the only thing that is canon from that era, and we dont know for sure they mean the KOTOR incarnation of Revan, or a new incarnation of Revan to be fleshed out in the future.
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#77 - ryalag (01/09/2016) [-]
hold the fucking phone, Where can i get source on Disney confirming Revan as canon due to Ren's Lightsaber?
#93 - tacotrainone (01/09/2016) [-]
As it turns out I couldnt find the actual sauce for that, it was just something I had heard on a podcast. The Scourge of Malachor is canon however, but maybe not in the context of the KOTOR game.

Also this is the sauce on Kylos lightsaber info
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#95 - ryalag (01/09/2016) [-]
Yeah i read that and saw no mention of Revan. I doubt they would make him canon though as it seems like Disney doesn't give 2 shits about events prior to the prequels.

They could however do something with Revan/The Old Republic with a pretty simple explanation : "Luke was out in that sector looking for an ancient Jedi archive that has the secrets on how to properly train a young Jedi so that something like Kylo Ren doesn't happen again and he gains the knowledge of ancient masters like Revan/Bastilla" and boom just like that Disney has made a whole lot of fans happy with very little effort.
User avatar
#29 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
if revan is canon then the old sith empires are canon since they were still a thing when revan was alive.

again. when you hear revans. think of the sith not zebras.
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#30 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Not tru, just because a named character exists, does not mean the universe built around that character is still canon.

Ex: Luke skywalker is in the new movie therefore all the EU is canon
^Faulty logic
User avatar
#31 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
eu luke was disproven canon by the apperance of the new movie, which doesnt follow the canon. this proves eu luke to be non canon.


your argument is faulty.
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#32 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Ok so now we have a mention of Revan, nowhere is it stated that this Revan is the same Revan, you cant just canonize an entire universe based on the existance of a charatcer
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#33 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
if the character is stated to be canon, then it is more logical to assume the characters story is canon. since the story is what makes the character. it is highly illogical to think that they would declare a character canon, and then strip of everything from that character that made him who he was.


again. i hate to repeat it but: when you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.
User avatar
#34 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
its also illogical for Disney to strip everything that was made about star wars (including all of the Old republic games) as non-canon, but they did it anyway. Whether or not we like it doesn't matter, they own the franchise, they decide what is and is not canon. They said The old republic is not canon. They can bring a new interpretation of a character from that universe if they want to because they are literally rewriting it. You can make as many assumptions and speculations you want, but that doesn't make them true.
User avatar
#35 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
no its not illogical.they wanted to craft their own continuity. what is illogical however. is to think that a character that is stated to be canon, is not the same as the character was in canon.


until you can either find proof that disney has specifically said "this character is canon, but not his story, not his personal history, not even the major factors of his history LIKE THE SITH EDICT THAT HE REFORMED FROM THE CHAOTIC MESS THAT WAS KNOWN AS THE SITH EMPIRE" then you are the one making illogical claims.
#61 - anon (01/08/2016) [-]
After the sale to Disney, Lucasfilm confirmed that the two trilogies, the Clone Wars series (2008) and the new movies are all canon. Moving forward all comics, books, and video games will also be canon.

"While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the EU consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon."
www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

Current list of canon - timeline
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media#cite_ref-LYC_0-0

angelious your logic is indeed faulty
#37 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
After further research, it appears the canon reference to the video games is the Scourge of Malachor, that and only that, no names. So im actually not sure if Revan is mentioned.

Also to bring this argument back to its origin, in this Kylo is listed as a "Dark warrior" not Sith Apprentice/Acolyte/Initiate
User avatar
#36 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
He never made a new edict from the chaos of the Sith Empire, if you are referring to the rule of two, that was a doctrine of Darth Bane.
User avatar
#38 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
oh right.revan lead the new sith empire that came after the mandalorian wars...he also had dealings with the sith empire of the old republic.
User avatar
#39 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
It was a new Sith empire, but it wasnt derived from the chaos of the old one, it was created to directly oppose it, the original Sith Empire was still in its prime and strength at the time, Revan created this new one to attempt to make the Republic into an entity that could withstand the Original Sith Empire's impending invasion. It was also destroyed and disbanded, so none of the teachings of this Sith empire were passed down to the lineage of Sith that lead to Palpatine and Vader.
User avatar
#40 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
yeah but the sith teachings of the old WERE. passed down. not to mention revans teachings actually succeeded in the revanist faction and in few holograms. also all of the sith empiriums were destroyed one point or another
#24 - Sith is the name of the order, using the Dark side of the forc…  [+] (20 new replies) 01/08/2016 on Need more lightsabers +1
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#25 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
there has been several different indocrinations of the sith order(to a point that there has actually been several sith empires).also there is only two actual confirmed force users/siths at the moment.snoke and ren, nobody else has been shown to even carry a lightsaber. and considering atleast kylo is drawing heavily from vader, and the sith order he was part of. it would mean kylo would most likely adopt the doctorine of the sith.
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#26 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Well firstly the other incarnations of the Sith order are not canon anymore, and secondly thats all speculation, we cant diffinitively say that Kylo is a Sith
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#27 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
i think disney confirmed swotor and the historical settings to still be canon. but yeah you are right on that part for now.


as for the latter part. when you hear hooves, think siths. not horses.
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#28 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Disney confirmed the existance of Revan in the elxplanatioon of Kylo Ren's lightsaber, but he is the only thing that is canon from that era, and we dont know for sure they mean the KOTOR incarnation of Revan, or a new incarnation of Revan to be fleshed out in the future.
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#77 - ryalag (01/09/2016) [-]
hold the fucking phone, Where can i get source on Disney confirming Revan as canon due to Ren's Lightsaber?
#93 - tacotrainone (01/09/2016) [-]
As it turns out I couldnt find the actual sauce for that, it was just something I had heard on a podcast. The Scourge of Malachor is canon however, but maybe not in the context of the KOTOR game.

Also this is the sauce on Kylos lightsaber info
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#95 - ryalag (01/09/2016) [-]
Yeah i read that and saw no mention of Revan. I doubt they would make him canon though as it seems like Disney doesn't give 2 shits about events prior to the prequels.

They could however do something with Revan/The Old Republic with a pretty simple explanation : "Luke was out in that sector looking for an ancient Jedi archive that has the secrets on how to properly train a young Jedi so that something like Kylo Ren doesn't happen again and he gains the knowledge of ancient masters like Revan/Bastilla" and boom just like that Disney has made a whole lot of fans happy with very little effort.
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#29 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
if revan is canon then the old sith empires are canon since they were still a thing when revan was alive.

again. when you hear revans. think of the sith not zebras.
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#30 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Not tru, just because a named character exists, does not mean the universe built around that character is still canon.

Ex: Luke skywalker is in the new movie therefore all the EU is canon
^Faulty logic
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#31 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
eu luke was disproven canon by the apperance of the new movie, which doesnt follow the canon. this proves eu luke to be non canon.


your argument is faulty.
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#32 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Ok so now we have a mention of Revan, nowhere is it stated that this Revan is the same Revan, you cant just canonize an entire universe based on the existance of a charatcer
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#33 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
if the character is stated to be canon, then it is more logical to assume the characters story is canon. since the story is what makes the character. it is highly illogical to think that they would declare a character canon, and then strip of everything from that character that made him who he was.


again. i hate to repeat it but: when you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.
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#34 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
its also illogical for Disney to strip everything that was made about star wars (including all of the Old republic games) as non-canon, but they did it anyway. Whether or not we like it doesn't matter, they own the franchise, they decide what is and is not canon. They said The old republic is not canon. They can bring a new interpretation of a character from that universe if they want to because they are literally rewriting it. You can make as many assumptions and speculations you want, but that doesn't make them true.
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#35 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
no its not illogical.they wanted to craft their own continuity. what is illogical however. is to think that a character that is stated to be canon, is not the same as the character was in canon.


until you can either find proof that disney has specifically said "this character is canon, but not his story, not his personal history, not even the major factors of his history LIKE THE SITH EDICT THAT HE REFORMED FROM THE CHAOTIC MESS THAT WAS KNOWN AS THE SITH EMPIRE" then you are the one making illogical claims.
#61 - anon (01/08/2016) [-]
After the sale to Disney, Lucasfilm confirmed that the two trilogies, the Clone Wars series (2008) and the new movies are all canon. Moving forward all comics, books, and video games will also be canon.

"While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the EU consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon."
www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

Current list of canon - timeline
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media#cite_ref-LYC_0-0

angelious your logic is indeed faulty
#37 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
After further research, it appears the canon reference to the video games is the Scourge of Malachor, that and only that, no names. So im actually not sure if Revan is mentioned.

Also to bring this argument back to its origin, in this Kylo is listed as a "Dark warrior" not Sith Apprentice/Acolyte/Initiate
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#36 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
He never made a new edict from the chaos of the Sith Empire, if you are referring to the rule of two, that was a doctrine of Darth Bane.
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#38 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
oh right.revan lead the new sith empire that came after the mandalorian wars...he also had dealings with the sith empire of the old republic.
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#39 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
It was a new Sith empire, but it wasnt derived from the chaos of the old one, it was created to directly oppose it, the original Sith Empire was still in its prime and strength at the time, Revan created this new one to attempt to make the Republic into an entity that could withstand the Original Sith Empire's impending invasion. It was also destroyed and disbanded, so none of the teachings of this Sith empire were passed down to the lineage of Sith that lead to Palpatine and Vader.
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#40 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
yeah but the sith teachings of the old WERE. passed down. not to mention revans teachings actually succeeded in the revanist faction and in few holograms. also all of the sith empiriums were destroyed one point or another
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#23 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
which would make them the new sith order....since y know..not only is kylo supposedly taught by a sith how to do dark side stuff (or atleast a dark side force user)

but he is sorta gargling on the cock of a very famous sith as well...speaking of which, where does the ren come from...
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#24 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Sith is the name of the order, using the Dark side of the force does not neccessarily mean that they are Sith, or that they follow all of the Sith customs and doctrines. For example, since there are like 8 of them, they already broke a rule of the sith order
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#25 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
there has been several different indocrinations of the sith order(to a point that there has actually been several sith empires).also there is only two actual confirmed force users/siths at the moment.snoke and ren, nobody else has been shown to even carry a lightsaber. and considering atleast kylo is drawing heavily from vader, and the sith order he was part of. it would mean kylo would most likely adopt the doctorine of the sith.
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#26 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Well firstly the other incarnations of the Sith order are not canon anymore, and secondly thats all speculation, we cant diffinitively say that Kylo is a Sith
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#27 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
i think disney confirmed swotor and the historical settings to still be canon. but yeah you are right on that part for now.


as for the latter part. when you hear hooves, think siths. not horses.
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#28 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Disney confirmed the existance of Revan in the elxplanatioon of Kylo Ren's lightsaber, but he is the only thing that is canon from that era, and we dont know for sure they mean the KOTOR incarnation of Revan, or a new incarnation of Revan to be fleshed out in the future.
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#77 - ryalag (01/09/2016) [-]
hold the fucking phone, Where can i get source on Disney confirming Revan as canon due to Ren's Lightsaber?
#93 - tacotrainone (01/09/2016) [-]
As it turns out I couldnt find the actual sauce for that, it was just something I had heard on a podcast. The Scourge of Malachor is canon however, but maybe not in the context of the KOTOR game.

Also this is the sauce on Kylos lightsaber info
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#95 - ryalag (01/09/2016) [-]
Yeah i read that and saw no mention of Revan. I doubt they would make him canon though as it seems like Disney doesn't give 2 shits about events prior to the prequels.

They could however do something with Revan/The Old Republic with a pretty simple explanation : "Luke was out in that sector looking for an ancient Jedi archive that has the secrets on how to properly train a young Jedi so that something like Kylo Ren doesn't happen again and he gains the knowledge of ancient masters like Revan/Bastilla" and boom just like that Disney has made a whole lot of fans happy with very little effort.
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#29 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
if revan is canon then the old sith empires are canon since they were still a thing when revan was alive.

again. when you hear revans. think of the sith not zebras.
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#30 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Not tru, just because a named character exists, does not mean the universe built around that character is still canon.

Ex: Luke skywalker is in the new movie therefore all the EU is canon
^Faulty logic
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#31 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
eu luke was disproven canon by the apperance of the new movie, which doesnt follow the canon. this proves eu luke to be non canon.


your argument is faulty.
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#32 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Ok so now we have a mention of Revan, nowhere is it stated that this Revan is the same Revan, you cant just canonize an entire universe based on the existance of a charatcer
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#33 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
if the character is stated to be canon, then it is more logical to assume the characters story is canon. since the story is what makes the character. it is highly illogical to think that they would declare a character canon, and then strip of everything from that character that made him who he was.


again. i hate to repeat it but: when you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.
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#34 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
its also illogical for Disney to strip everything that was made about star wars (including all of the Old republic games) as non-canon, but they did it anyway. Whether or not we like it doesn't matter, they own the franchise, they decide what is and is not canon. They said The old republic is not canon. They can bring a new interpretation of a character from that universe if they want to because they are literally rewriting it. You can make as many assumptions and speculations you want, but that doesn't make them true.
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#35 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
no its not illogical.they wanted to craft their own continuity. what is illogical however. is to think that a character that is stated to be canon, is not the same as the character was in canon.


until you can either find proof that disney has specifically said "this character is canon, but not his story, not his personal history, not even the major factors of his history LIKE THE SITH EDICT THAT HE REFORMED FROM THE CHAOTIC MESS THAT WAS KNOWN AS THE SITH EMPIRE" then you are the one making illogical claims.
#61 - anon (01/08/2016) [-]
After the sale to Disney, Lucasfilm confirmed that the two trilogies, the Clone Wars series (2008) and the new movies are all canon. Moving forward all comics, books, and video games will also be canon.

"While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the EU consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon."
www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

Current list of canon - timeline
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media#cite_ref-LYC_0-0

angelious your logic is indeed faulty
#37 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
After further research, it appears the canon reference to the video games is the Scourge of Malachor, that and only that, no names. So im actually not sure if Revan is mentioned.

Also to bring this argument back to its origin, in this Kylo is listed as a "Dark warrior" not Sith Apprentice/Acolyte/Initiate
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#36 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
He never made a new edict from the chaos of the Sith Empire, if you are referring to the rule of two, that was a doctrine of Darth Bane.
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#38 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
oh right.revan lead the new sith empire that came after the mandalorian wars...he also had dealings with the sith empire of the old republic.
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#39 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
It was a new Sith empire, but it wasnt derived from the chaos of the old one, it was created to directly oppose it, the original Sith Empire was still in its prime and strength at the time, Revan created this new one to attempt to make the Republic into an entity that could withstand the Original Sith Empire's impending invasion. It was also destroyed and disbanded, so none of the teachings of this Sith empire were passed down to the lineage of Sith that lead to Palpatine and Vader.
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#40 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
yeah but the sith teachings of the old WERE. passed down. not to mention revans teachings actually succeeded in the revanist faction and in few holograms. also all of the sith empiriums were destroyed one point or another
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#21 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
he already has a master in snoke.
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#22 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
true but maybe the knights of Ren order will have the knights themselves, commanded by a "Supreme Leader" who also trains them
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#23 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
which would make them the new sith order....since y know..not only is kylo supposedly taught by a sith how to do dark side stuff (or atleast a dark side force user)

but he is sorta gargling on the cock of a very famous sith as well...speaking of which, where does the ren come from...
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#24 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Sith is the name of the order, using the Dark side of the force does not neccessarily mean that they are Sith, or that they follow all of the Sith customs and doctrines. For example, since there are like 8 of them, they already broke a rule of the sith order
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#25 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
there has been several different indocrinations of the sith order(to a point that there has actually been several sith empires).also there is only two actual confirmed force users/siths at the moment.snoke and ren, nobody else has been shown to even carry a lightsaber. and considering atleast kylo is drawing heavily from vader, and the sith order he was part of. it would mean kylo would most likely adopt the doctorine of the sith.
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#26 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Well firstly the other incarnations of the Sith order are not canon anymore, and secondly thats all speculation, we cant diffinitively say that Kylo is a Sith
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#27 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
i think disney confirmed swotor and the historical settings to still be canon. but yeah you are right on that part for now.


as for the latter part. when you hear hooves, think siths. not horses.
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#28 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Disney confirmed the existance of Revan in the elxplanatioon of Kylo Ren's lightsaber, but he is the only thing that is canon from that era, and we dont know for sure they mean the KOTOR incarnation of Revan, or a new incarnation of Revan to be fleshed out in the future.
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#77 - ryalag (01/09/2016) [-]
hold the fucking phone, Where can i get source on Disney confirming Revan as canon due to Ren's Lightsaber?
#93 - tacotrainone (01/09/2016) [-]
As it turns out I couldnt find the actual sauce for that, it was just something I had heard on a podcast. The Scourge of Malachor is canon however, but maybe not in the context of the KOTOR game.

Also this is the sauce on Kylos lightsaber info
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#95 - ryalag (01/09/2016) [-]
Yeah i read that and saw no mention of Revan. I doubt they would make him canon though as it seems like Disney doesn't give 2 shits about events prior to the prequels.

They could however do something with Revan/The Old Republic with a pretty simple explanation : "Luke was out in that sector looking for an ancient Jedi archive that has the secrets on how to properly train a young Jedi so that something like Kylo Ren doesn't happen again and he gains the knowledge of ancient masters like Revan/Bastilla" and boom just like that Disney has made a whole lot of fans happy with very little effort.
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#29 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
if revan is canon then the old sith empires are canon since they were still a thing when revan was alive.

again. when you hear revans. think of the sith not zebras.
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#30 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Not tru, just because a named character exists, does not mean the universe built around that character is still canon.

Ex: Luke skywalker is in the new movie therefore all the EU is canon
^Faulty logic
User avatar
#31 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
eu luke was disproven canon by the apperance of the new movie, which doesnt follow the canon. this proves eu luke to be non canon.


your argument is faulty.
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#32 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
Ok so now we have a mention of Revan, nowhere is it stated that this Revan is the same Revan, you cant just canonize an entire universe based on the existance of a charatcer
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#33 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
if the character is stated to be canon, then it is more logical to assume the characters story is canon. since the story is what makes the character. it is highly illogical to think that they would declare a character canon, and then strip of everything from that character that made him who he was.


again. i hate to repeat it but: when you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.
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#34 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
its also illogical for Disney to strip everything that was made about star wars (including all of the Old republic games) as non-canon, but they did it anyway. Whether or not we like it doesn't matter, they own the franchise, they decide what is and is not canon. They said The old republic is not canon. They can bring a new interpretation of a character from that universe if they want to because they are literally rewriting it. You can make as many assumptions and speculations you want, but that doesn't make them true.
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#35 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
no its not illogical.they wanted to craft their own continuity. what is illogical however. is to think that a character that is stated to be canon, is not the same as the character was in canon.


until you can either find proof that disney has specifically said "this character is canon, but not his story, not his personal history, not even the major factors of his history LIKE THE SITH EDICT THAT HE REFORMED FROM THE CHAOTIC MESS THAT WAS KNOWN AS THE SITH EMPIRE" then you are the one making illogical claims.
#61 - anon (01/08/2016) [-]
After the sale to Disney, Lucasfilm confirmed that the two trilogies, the Clone Wars series (2008) and the new movies are all canon. Moving forward all comics, books, and video games will also be canon.

"While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the EU consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon."
www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

Current list of canon - timeline
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_canon_media#cite_ref-LYC_0-0

angelious your logic is indeed faulty
#37 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
After further research, it appears the canon reference to the video games is the Scourge of Malachor, that and only that, no names. So im actually not sure if Revan is mentioned.

Also to bring this argument back to its origin, in this Kylo is listed as a "Dark warrior" not Sith Apprentice/Acolyte/Initiate
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#36 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
He never made a new edict from the chaos of the Sith Empire, if you are referring to the rule of two, that was a doctrine of Darth Bane.
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#38 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
oh right.revan lead the new sith empire that came after the mandalorian wars...he also had dealings with the sith empire of the old republic.
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#39 - tacotrainone (01/08/2016) [-]
It was a new Sith empire, but it wasnt derived from the chaos of the old one, it was created to directly oppose it, the original Sith Empire was still in its prime and strength at the time, Revan created this new one to attempt to make the Republic into an entity that could withstand the Original Sith Empire's impending invasion. It was also destroyed and disbanded, so none of the teachings of this Sith empire were passed down to the lineage of Sith that lead to Palpatine and Vader.
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#40 - angelious (01/08/2016) [-]
yeah but the sith teachings of the old WERE. passed down. not to mention revans teachings actually succeeded in the revanist faction and in few holograms. also all of the sith empiriums were destroyed one point or another
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The kill date is today, the 8th.
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disclaimer intro crawl is in spanish

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