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|#3 - whenever a turkish roach or subhuman jap tries to claim that t… [+] (57 new replies)||06/12/2016 on Genocide||+101|
#61 - anotheroneonearth (06/13/2016) [-]
I don't deny any war crime. rape, robbery and killing are nasty and should be avoided, regardless of circumstances.
actually we have been taught in schools over and over how atrocious they were. "they" because I and my relatives are not involved in any war crime
Easily seen are the faults of others, one's own are difficult to see.
By winnowing the chaff of others' faults, one's own are obscured, like a crafty
fowler hidden behind the branches. -Dhammapada
#92 - augustusxxiv (06/13/2016) [-]
As a Japanese person, they're not morally equivalent. Japan's crimes during the war far outweighed the US's actions.
Did the US do some questionable things? Yes. Can you debate as to the necessity of the Bombs? Yes. But the dropping of the bombs does not equal bayonetting babies for practice, or beheading 100 chinese for sport.
#38 - anon (06/13/2016) [-]
I'll admit that Dresden was pretty pointless, but Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved at least ten times as many lives as it took, since it forced Japan to surrender. About 250,000 Purple Hearts were made in anticipation of US casualities in the event of an invasion of Hokkaido alone to put this into perspective, the two nukes combined killed about that many people . In all the wars the US has fought since then, we've still got about 80,000 left that haven't been given out.
#87 - anon (06/13/2016) [-]
Hasn't it been proven that the Emperor was just about to surrender?
Since had both the USSR and the USA warring on him.
#39 - anon (06/13/2016) [-]
*Kyushu. God fucking dammit get your geography right
#35 - themarineelite (06/13/2016) [-]
Here's the biggest counterargument. If our Strategic Bombing campaign caused the Dresden firestorm, Why wouldn't we do that with every single bombing mission we flown?
BECAUSE WE TRY TO MINIMIZE CIVILIAN CASUALTIES YOU RETARD
>Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Dropping a Nuclear Bomb to kill civilians was shitty, it was honestly and wholy shitty. But guess what it ended the war. And here's the other thing, The Speculated Casualties of a American invasion of mainland japan was thought to be in the millions as well as the fact that the Japanese would have probably have EXECUTED every single American POW in their Camps if we did invaded.
#48 - greyhoundfd (06/13/2016) [-]
The firebombing of Dresden killed over 20,000 civilians and barely managed to touch any infrastructural or military targets. It was the purposeful killing of an entire host of innocents for no strategic reason and while not a genocide was most certainly a war crime.
#103 - dayrek (06/13/2016) [-]
Just like every major countries bombing campaign in WW2, they ALL targeted civilians on purpose. (partly due to technological limitations)
"Thus, in 1942 under the command of Sir Arthur “Bomber” Harris, the Royal Air Force shifted its focus toward destroying “the morale of the enemy civil population.”"
The Americans at-least in Europe tried to stick to strategic bombing:
"The US Army Air Force, flying raids from British bases from 1942, remained faithful to the concept of precision daylight bombing"
You're bringing the criticism down on the weakest offender.
#108 - greyhoundfd (06/13/2016) [-]
We don't get to mix and match who gets what accusation. If it's a war crime conducted by the good guys, or the underdogs, or the oppressed, then it's still a war crime. Do you think that the relatives of the people who got sucked down entire streets to burn to death in a thousand-degree conflagration would have let the allies off because "Well, we launched the blitz, so it's just tit-for-tat"? Innocents died, thousands of them, and the person or persons responsible must answer for what they did.
#114 - cheshirecatless (06/14/2016) [-]
It was WW2. Bombing civilians was standard. If you don't like it blame the Germans who started it. And lets consider who really started the war crimes. Oh! That's right! It was the Japanese who surprise attack on Pearl Harbor dragging America into a war we didn't want to be involved in.
#116 - cheshirecatless (06/14/2016) [-]
If someone starts using mustard gas, everyone has to start using mustard gas. Its like in sports, if someones cheating then if you don't cheat back you'll lose. There's no ref in war so the only real rule is do unto others as they do unto you. Whats the other option? Not legitimizing their tactics?
#121 - Ruspanic (06/15/2016) [-]
See, that's the essence of what I'm getting at. Why should moral considerations be irrelevant in war when they are integral to every other part of life? I understand that war makes killing and other usually unacceptable acts necessary, so we must make some allowances, but war cannot be a limitless license to do whatever you want to whomever you want, so long as they're "enemies". Can rape and torture in war be justified? Can atrocities like My Lai and Abu Ghraib and the Rape of Nanjing? And what if you're the aggressor in the war? Shouldn't that in itself be morally unacceptable, and similarly render all violence you commit immoral?
#111 - blerdegerb (06/13/2016) [-]
do you realize how many civilians would be lost in a full scale invasion just in cross fire alone?
Not to mention that general bombing from war (bombings of London) that killed civilians too, civilian casualties will happen that will always happen in war more civilian casualties were prevented as well .
#59 - gotohemp (06/13/2016) [-]
They actually pushed the second atom bomb 3 days ahead of schedule because of bad weather on Nagasaki, which had a 1/5th military ratio. This didn't give the Japanese enough time to measure the scale of destruction or enough time to give a surrender. 3 extra days could have saved 100000+ lives had the USA waited. Many petitioned to drop it on the outskirts of a city as well, but it was shot down before it could reach Truman. The USA wanted a bloody vengeance.
#99 - brisineo (06/13/2016) [-]
That's not quite true.
First of all back then they didn't have nearly the same means of weather prediction means that we have today, they really only could fly over and check for themselves and move to a different target should weather be too bad.
Nagasaki wasn't our primary target, instead they were supposed to hit Kokura, (now called Kitakyushu) which was a larger military and production establishment, however it was too obscured by clouds and smoke when they got there. So we moved on to our secondary target, Nagasaki, when they didn't clear up in time.
You also have to consider that time was NOT on our side. There was a possible coup being planned by the Japanese military to overthrow the Emperor and continue the war, the second bomb being enough to quell the rebellion, and the Russians were preparing to invade into the north in a matter of days. Korea and Germany were already split and suffering by Russian conquest, and man, if you thought Operation Downfall projections were bad, what the Russians could have done to Japan would have been unspeakable.
#112 - gotohemp (06/13/2016) [-]
That makes it sound even worse though, if they just decided to move to a much more civilian packed city because of bad weather. Better yet they should have launched nuke(s) on non-civilian/militant areas and waited for the scale of destruction to reach the top of the command chain. ~70000 deaths with a 4/5 civilian death count is not an acceptable figure by any means. Also Russia was invading Manchuria, not the mainland.
#46 - nightmarexnxnxnxnx (06/13/2016) [-]
OP. Downfall estimates are bullshit. You people blame others of their war crimes yet killing over 100k civilians with nuclear bombs and polluting the land causing widespread genetical damage resulting in birth defects for generations to come is AWWRIGHT since ''we made purpl harts n shit in advance''.
You are behaving just like those you despise. The difference being, in Japan, the war crimes are denied by an extremely small yet vocal minority. In America however, they brainwash kids from early childhood to believe the bullshit justification of ''saving lives''.
Nobody is perfect but you people make me sick to my stomach.
#15 - snifflingcroissant (06/12/2016) [-]
Not millions, man, billions... billions of deaths of orphans were prevented by the glorious USA in Japan. Just like the US/UK did in Dresden. Sure, there was no military infrastructure there and all, so the city was completely harmless, but... It was located in nazi Germany, so why not turn the whole city with its population into burning hell, right?
#6 - anon (06/12/2016) [-]
actually a huge part of turks don't have any problem denying the armenian genocide
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#51 - anon (06/13/2016) [-]
It's funny that you're still crying about that after 14 years. There most likely die more people in the middle east each month thanks to the US than died during 9/11
#61 - anon (06/13/2016) [-]
you're an idiot
#35 - anon (06/13/2016) [-]
heyy man i hate muslims as much as the other guys...
but if you still dont think 911 isnt an inside job, youre fkin mental fam
#78 - anon (06/13/2016) [-]
it was an inside job, by muslims
DUN DUN DUN
#54 - anon (06/13/2016) [-]
I love how that was started as a joke and now there are fucking retards like you that actually believe it.
#132 - anon (06/13/2016) [-]
A joke? You really think that? Who is the retard here? Building 7, nuff said.
#60 - anon (06/13/2016) [-]
nah man it was the reptoids
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