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#27 - anonymous (01/12/2015) [-]
Me too, many of them are fucking obnoxious and loud...
|#17 - Except you're absolutely wrong. Cats learn from exper… [+] (19 new replies)||01/12/2015 on Cat||0|
#20 - anonymous (01/12/2015) [-]
because setting a book down in front of someone is teaching them right
fucking stupid people sometimes
#23 - anonymous (01/12/2015) [-]
a cat bringing you a dead mouse is not teaching you to hunt. The mouse is dead, you did not witness it. The cat made to attempt to kill the creature in front of you.
#25 - subaqueousreach (01/12/2015) [-]
Okay so you obviously didn't read my comment very well...
>Cats teach their kittens to find their own food
>by first bringing them dead animals so that they can recognize what to hunt
>then they bring them injured animals that are easy to catch
Cats don't learn things the same way people do. Fucking Orcas do the same thing for their young to teach them how to hunt seals. They'll start by killing seals and bringing them back to the young, then they'll start injuring seals and leaving them in open water for the young to catch themselves.
Just because cats live with people doesn't mean they fully understand how people work. They're still going to do cat shit and teaching shitty hunters how to hunt is what cats do.
This is scientific fucking fact. You're pretty fucking ignorant, anon.
#26 - lolollo (01/12/2015) [-]
OK, so what should we do about how absurd it is that an animal who is brought food on a near daily basis will assume the individual brining them food can't find food for themselves?
It makes way more sense that the cat is displaying the kill in the same way wolves do for the alpha. Cats and dogs may be different, but they're not that different. Cats may be primarily solitary, but they're still partially pack animal.
#27 - subaqueousreach (01/12/2015) [-]
Except that doesn't explain why they also bring home live animals. My cat brought home dead birds and mice for two weeks, then started bringing them home live and wounded. She even brought in a baby possum she found and dropped it at my feet.
Not to mention I can find a couple hundred sources that state it's to teach you how to hunt, yet I can't find a single one that says it's due to respecting alpha superiority.
#37 - subaqueousreach (01/13/2015) [-]
There's four, you just have to google "Why does my cat bring home dead animals" or anything along those lines. Now would you mind posting any sources that prove your claim?
#39 - lolollo (01/13/2015) [-]
Oh, I'm sorry, when you said "a couple hundred sources" I thought you meant "a couple hundred scientifically tested, and peer reviewed" sources, not the online news journal trash that everyone uses.
Seriously, one of the sources just has another article from the exact same website in the "recent studies" redirect. Really?
#41 - lolollo (01/13/2015) [-]
That's because you're the one making claims that there's "hundreds and hundreds of sources" not me, so congratulations on being that asshole who looks at a religious debate and decides to yell at the atheists for being unable to prove that God doesn't exist.
That isn't an attempt at an appeal to ignorance at all. Right now you're banking that your small collection of shitty sources are better than my lack of evidence I never even claimed existed. This is especially true since I never claimed that my stance came from some scientifically documented shenanigans. I looked before hand and there's an overwhelmingly low amount of anything dedicated to "why do cats bring us animals?" It's all brain science in perception of prey, not ecological foraging techniques. I said that it simply made more sense to compare the hunting behavior of cats to that of dogs than to have come to whatever conclusion some freelance journalism website put into you.
Plus, you're not even basing your opinions on those sources you said existed, you assumed sources existed that conveniently fit what you said, and that there were hundreds of them. Yeah, that's good science.
#42 - subaqueousreach (01/13/2015) [-]
>Not basing my opinons on the sources
That's half right, I've read most of this shit years ago from different sources stating the same shit.
I like how you assumed I was talking out of my ass until I could find specific pages that helped back me, when you're more or less just shooting out an idea into the air and hoping people say "WOW YOU'RE SMART", regardless of the fact that there's already information contradicting that idea.
None of what I'm saying is some new fangled theory, people figured this shit out when I was 8 years old.
#44 - subaqueousreach (01/14/2015) [-]
I'm accusing you of nothing. I simply pointed out the irony that while you were accusing me of being full of shit and hoping I could find information to back up my claim, you were spouting on about a theory with absolutely no backing in the first place other than you found the other theory ridiculous. And in reality I had already known of this information well before hand.
But I'm no longer interested in debating this with you as now you're simply goading me into a tangent that has nothing to do with the original subject.
It is accepted fact that cats bring dead and injured animals home because they are teaching you to hunt.
The theoylry of them bringing dead animals as a gift to the alpha might make sense, but doesn't explain why they also bring partially wounded animals as well. Therefore, since it doesn't cover all the bases of the subject, it can't be considered fact.
Have a nice day.
#45 - lolollo (01/14/2015) [-]
There you go again, making absolute claims that what you're saying is absolute fact when the best you have is some backwater online news website and the appeal to ignorance argument.
You're perfect for politics.
The truth is simple, if you're going to make a claim, especially a claim you're going to pose as 100% true, you post the sources. I'm not going to go get them for you. If all you have to say to that is "WELL WHERE ARE YOUR SOURCES!"...well the truth is I never have to worry about you joining the scientific community. You'll get laughed out.
No amount of "This conversation is beneath me" will fix that. You can certainly believe it will, but all that'll prove is the freedom of speech allows people to be wrong.
#46 - subaqueousreach (01/14/2015) [-]
You don't seem to understand how facts work.
Facts are never 100%, since we can never truly know something to that degree. A fact is just a theory that makes the least amount of assumptions about a subject.
You assume domestic cats once behaved like wild dogs and therefore bringing dead animals to the alpha would make sense. However it doesn't explain at all why they would also start to bring injured animals in as well. You also still haven't provided any information to back up your claim whatsoever, but insist that I'm incorrect for no other reason than you disagree.
However, we know that domestic cats teach their young to hunt by first bringing them dead animals, then injured animals, and eventually they bring them along on the hunt. This would explain why they bring people dead and injured animals into the home without making any real assumptions other than why they would do this when we feed them. However this can be chalked up to instinctual animal behavior that they can't really help.
But now I've wasted enough time on you cause I have the not so subtle suspicion that you're a troll. If not, you can go on being an ignorant neckbeard who believes all others less intelligent by strawmanning and throwing debates off tangent. I honestly don't care anymore.
#47 - lolollo (01/14/2015) [-]
You're mistaking fact with theory. And the phrase "However, we know that domestic cats teach their young to hunt by first bringing them dead animals..." is precisely what I'm talking about. How do we know this? Because you've told us? Because you posted a couple of incredibly unreliable sources that say it? Seriously, you posted a handful of unreliable as hell sources to support your claim of "there are hundreds of sources (clearly an exaggeration, but why the hell exaggerate?" and when I called you out on it your response was "WELL WHERE ARE YOURS!?" I never said I had sources. I also never said my theory was 100% fact. I just said it made more sense than yours. I even explained why it made more sense than yours. If you want to keep spouting on as your what you're saying is truth because you have a bunch of shit sources that support your claim and I don't, hence why I said you'll just end up laughed out of any scientific organization.
All of the liberties and assumptions you're making and you're giving me shit for not knowing between fact and theory?
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