I'm not but if that's what you want to believe then fine

I'm trying to get top comment. figured this is a pretty popular post with a lot of visitors so this would be the place to comment

I see
you're fucking with me

I'm not but if that's what you want to believe then fine

I hate anon because I cant tell if you're ever going to actually come back and read a reply I wrote. feels like wasted effort if I type more.

Ur the best
I don't usually stop in my day to type out that someone's great when i can thumb.
but you are just really great

I'm actually just someone with a huge paper to write, and I really don't want to write it yet

thank you though

Also, consider looking at this forbes article

www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2013/07/19/how-she-lives-on-minimum-wage-one-mcdonalds-workers-budget/

I hate anon because I cant tell if you're ever going to actually come back and read a reply I wrote. feels like wasted effort if I type more.

Ur the best
I don't usually stop in my day to type out that someone's great when i can thumb.
but you are just really great

I'm actually just someone with a huge paper to write, and I really don't want to write it yet

thank you though

when I said 1 dollar, I was using hyperbole, but I digress,

*Sigh*, you gon make me go out of my fuckin way

Sure, the numbers are gonna work how you want when you just pull em from thin air, but lets look at some actual numbers.

First off, it is an absolute bitch finding numbers for this shit, it is all so proprietary.
Second, it it takes about $300,000 personal finance[0] just to open a McDonalds franchise. With that in mind, if your little pizza place is grossing 150k, you might be destined to close. From some numbers I found, the average pizza hut restaurant grosses about 600k[1]. 4 times your number.

Lets say they have the equivalent of 8 full time employees. Debate me if you want on that number, but I wouldn't say it's much higher.

160k so far

We can use this[2] as a reference for further costs. I think it's fair to skip the initial investment, since you are talking about a store going out of business, not a store never starting up. You owe 12% of gross to the franchiser

232k so far

lets throw on another 100k for the additional fees on there (I feel I am being generous by doing this)

323k so far.

And lets add on another like 50k for materials, those pizzas are hella cheap.

373k end

That leaves 227k for the franchise owner. Forgive me if I do not shed tears for him. Granted, with the wage increase, he would be down to 147k, but that assumes that he doesn't get any more gross profit, which is a silly assumption considering the average consumer will now have more buying power, and he could probably raise prices a bit.

tl;dr fuck your numbers

furthermore, I'm sure he'd have even better profits if he used slaves. That doesn't mean he can use slaves. If your business model only works because you don't adequately pay your workers, then your business just doesn't have a place in the economy. You won't see me shed tears because a plantation is being closed down.



[0] www.furioustees.com/How_much_profits_does_a_pizza_hut_franchise_make-qna49836.html#q122646
[1] answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/493645.html
[2] www.franchisedirect.com/foodfranchises/pizza-hut-franchise-07054/ufoc/

You deserve all the thumbs.

I'm sorry, I must have missed your numbers and hard evidence? Oh my bad, your arguments are just unsupported as of now.

Do you want me to actually call my buddy Tony up and ask him about the small business he runs? The one he started on his own with his own savingsand has been operating for years now?

I'm equating a FRANCHISE. FRANCHISE. As in, locally owned and operated.

furthermore, way to ignore my second argument altogether.

Ah yes, I see now, your lack of sources/evidence combined with your strawman argument has shown me the error of my ways. You know, I was almost unconvinced, but the way you absolutely refused to acknowledge half the things I've said really drove the point home, thank you.

re-quoting this since you tend to ignore it
If your business model only works because you don't adequately pay your workers, then your business just doesn't have a place in the economy. You won't see me shed tears because a plantation is being closed down.

furthermore, how much of America do you think is employed by mom and pop vs a large corporation
going even further, how many Americans do you think are employed by a large corporation and get paid minimum wage vs how many own a small business. If a few people go out of business for the benefit of the majority, fuck if I care.

by the way, let me reiterate, go get numbers for your arguments.

small in that paper refers to businesses employing 20-99 people, hardly the mom and pop picture you paint.

That leaves 17%, which cover businesses that employ 20 or fewer employees.
And ignores that large enterprises employ over half the population

No, slavery exploits the majority

and actually, you must be missing the direct comparison to slavery I keep fucking making

slavery is a perfect example of a business model that works because of low pay like you are campaigning for. And to that I say, if a business model only survives because it is not giving its workings a livable wage, then it isn't a business model that is worth keeping.

hypothetical right here, definitely hasn't ever happened to anyone

> be high school student, have part time job to help support family
> child of single mother, one sibling, mom works tirelessly to support us
> mom gets injured, can no longer work
> was going to go to college, but now I need to drop out to support the family
> 18 years old and already supporting my family, all I can get is minimum wage jobs.
> apparently an uneducated moron that doesn't want to work.

student loans -> go further into debt -> no one is supporting the family -> sibling is too young to work -> are you sure the mom qualifies for disability? www.ssa.gov/disability/

The solutions you just listed aren't solutions, and as other people have pointed out, a degree doesn't guarantee a job. It's usually just a pretty piece of paper that says you spent 4 years somewhere.

You're very partial to success oriented plans.

work two jobs -> massively increased stress -> health issue -> injury -> no jobs.

Hell, I knew a guy who worked 3 jobs just to pay for his wife's medical bills. He is an EMT, he saves peoples lives!

McDonalds needs a certain amount of employees to function. They've already optimized the amount they have working at any one time, they're not going to be able to fire people all wily nily without hurting business. They're gonna take a profit hit because they're profit margins are already ridiculous, as we showed earlier with the franchise example.

"I've never been poor, but it sounds sooo easy." -You right now

Oh, thats hilarious

im gonna cry from laughter, the hypocrisy is so funny right now.

you assumed I'm poor.
thats pretty funny too.

> All you want is a fucking handout because you are too lazy to work hard for what you want.

Well, I'm not arguing minimum wage for me. See, I was fortunate to grow up in a household where my parents could provide for me, live in a good neighborhood, start off my education well, pay for my college, and numerous other privileges that cannot be assumed about everyone.

How do you propose one works two full time minimum wage jobs while still having time to go through college?

If you're working two full time jobs that's 16 hours per day gone. Now, let's say you're doing a very, very light college course, and only have to learn for four hours a day. Now you have all of four hours to sleep, study, eat, travel between workplaces/college. Also, hopefully you don't get injured or seriously ill in that time, because you won't be able to afford to get that checked out.

"There's more people employed by big corporations who would benefit from a minimum wage increase than there are small business owners whom would suffer from it"

seriously, you keep on focusing on smaller and smaller parts of my arguments without even addressing the vast majority of it. Next thing you are going to do is point out spelling errors as if my typos make you correct.

see >>#113

and what makes you believe that the enterprise is going out of business? That claim of yours is still unfounded.

FOH with your 4 employees shit.
FOH with your strawman arguements.
FOH with your inability to link to your source.
FOH thinking that only small business can make jobs
FOH thinking that small business owners are somehow the only people in america

here, let me try what you do.

FUCK THE POOR, WE SHOULD ACTUALLY PAY THEM ENOUGH TO LIVE ON. WHO CARES IF POVERTY IS A VICIOUS CYCLE? I DEMAND TO BE MY OWN BOSS, WHO CARES HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO SUFFER?

For the record, that ^ is a bullshit argument. I'm just mocking you. I believe in small businesses and believe they can still operate with a higher minimum wage.

>need a car to get to your job, employers wont hire someone who cant reliably make it to work, you've also assumed we are in the city. moving to the city costs money, and we're poor in this scenario, and you're crazy if you think you can find $500 in the city. Definitely not with utilities included

>need a cell phone to get a job, employers won't hire someone they cant contact

>need internet to get a job usually, some places do shift management online for one

you're also assuming no prior debt. remember, we poor. It's likely we have some kind of debt

oh, and your car better not ever break down, you better never get injured, and you better never get sick, else there goes some of your income

oh, were working an incredibly physical min wage job? probably gonna get injured and sick.

so everyone must live near a library
and libraries are open 24/7
and libraries give me a car. that never breaks down, with health and car insurance.

and its not a solution because you say it isn't? Sure solves a lot of the problems I'm talking about, or at least alleviates them.

we hit post limit. thats why you cant reply

but see, thats the thing, you just keep assuming all poor people are lazy. It's like it's impossible for you to comprehend that hardworking people can be poor. Someone isn't disenfranchised to you, they're a "pot smoking hippie". You dehumanize them. its ridiculous.

Second, to be honest, they still wouldn't be making as much as me, but I'm fine with them getting a wage increase if it means my friends and people I grew up with aren't condemned to a life of poverty.

Why wouldn't you want other people to be doing as well as you?
If the other job is easier and pays the same, go quit and take that job now, otherwise I'm going to assume your job is actually still good.
> Fuck it, I'll just go work at Burger Shack and have all the money I need to fill my basic livingneeds.

dude, why don't you want other people to have it easy? Something being hard for you doesn't mean it needs to be hard for everyone else. It's progress

You're CANADIAN arguing about AMERICAN DOMESTIC POLITICS!?

FUCK OUTTA HERE

keep hating all the poor people then DrFlanigan, instead of the rich who have a vested interest in keeping them poor. Hate Downwards like they want you to.

NEVERMIND THAT WE'RE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT COUNTRIES AND THEREFORE HAVE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT DAILY LIFE DUE TO DIFFERENT GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEMS AND ECONOMIES

JESUS FUCK THIS WAS A WASTE OF TIME.

Who told them otherwise?

Consider the kids were an accident, clearly they're an accident that should ruin your life

Consider that the red queen hypothesis of biology en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Queen_hypothesis If you've been giving it your all merely to stop from starving, when are you supposed to improve yourself?

Who gave them any other options?

As a sidenote, you really need to consider this line from The Great Gatsby
'“Whenever you feel like criticizing any one,” he told me, “just remember that all the people in this world haven’t had the advantages that you’ve had.”'

Also, consider looking at this forbes article

www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2013/07/19/how-she-lives-on-minimum-wage-one-mcdonalds-workers-budget/

I hate anon because I cant tell if you're ever going to actually come back and read a reply I wrote. feels like wasted effort if I type more.

Ur the best
I don't usually stop in my day to type out that someone's great when i can thumb.
but you are just really great

I'm actually just someone with a huge paper to write, and I really don't want to write it yet

thank you though

Oh yes, a better job. I guess they'll just go to the job store where they sell jobbies to anyone who asks for one.

And yeah, they're living so well that they need government assistance to not starve.
And some still starve, they end up malnourished, which overtime can lead to the children of these people to end up in min wage jobs themselves

case in point: www.forbes.com/sites/laurashin/2013/07/19/how-she-lives-on-minimum-wage-one-mcdonalds-workers-budget/

but its japanese isn't it? cuz i am not from the states and i have no use in those translates, i go mostly for the original titles

They have Japanese and English versions

English ROM: www.emuparadise.me/Nintendo_Gameboy_Advance_ROMs/Fire_Emblem_%28U%29%28Venom%29/44473

Japanese ROM: www.emuparadise.me/Nintendo_Gameboy_Advance_ROMs/Fire_Emblem_-_Rekka_no_Ken_%28J%29%28GBATemp%29/44217

That is a fairly steep slope where it crosses the half way point

Look at the public opinion slope. That didn't change overnight. We just suddenly started passing legislation for it, same sort of thing happens with the interracial marriage legislation.

I mean, one day people were outraged at the idea of a law allowing it, the next everyone was praising it.

I've always wondered what the context of this scene is?
(excuse ignorance if it's a well known film/show, still have a few big ones on my bucket list)

I'd say it's a pretty well known movie, but it's alright. It's from Billy Madison, Adam Sandler movie, really funny, would recommend even if you don't like his new stuff.

I never even said all...

You said the word everyone & he was being a grammar nazi about it.

I'm not being a grammar nazi, that's not even grammar
I'm just being a cunt

WELL I THOROUGHLY APOLOGISE!

While we're on the topic, did you know literally every single English(British?) people love the Royal Family? I've seen a couple people that seem to like them, so I guess everyone does.

You don't need to say it to imply it.
"did you notice how america went overnight from outraged to accepting it"
"one day people were outraged, the next everyone was praising it"

Idk, maybe don't speak on topics that you're ignorant about

You aren't even wrong, people here fap to them... that's not a joke.

People fap to who? The royal family? That's strange, I hope it would be to the brothers or kate, as those are at least not terrible to fap to

We got some sickos over here :p

That's strange I guess, although I'm sure there's people that fap to the Obamas. I'm sure there's even the extreme weirdos over there that fap to Liz

She looked fuckin alright when she was young.

that's true, she did, but I meant her currently where she's old enough to be your great-great grandma

Not me... people.

"I never said all you..."
;)

I cri everytim.

Those aren't the same people brah

Nah people weren't really outraged, the media shows people being outraged about every new law, but in general I think most people were alright with gay marriage

And why would I do that?

Damn, thought I found my friends account. Carry on mate

Its a big boon when we went to amusement parks or fairs.
I come from a tall family, All us boys are in the upper 6 foot range and Moms about 6'4.
Finding each other is a fairly easy task

Your mother is my height?

Oh lord.

I used to go to school with a 6' girl. I always considered dating her and raising an army of super children.

blam blam blam blam

Lol a lot better ^^ Thank you very much~