You keep mentioning huge companies and how this is going to help all the people below the poverty line.

This is going to fuck small businesses up the ass, dropping them into the poverty line.

So you clearly can't see this from the perspective of people who are already making 15 bucks an hour after working hard to get that job. I can make the same amount of money doing an easier job, why wouldn't I? Future generations are going to be sooooo inspired to educate themselves now. I can get a job that pays 30,000 dollars a year instead of putting some effort into school? Fuck it, I'll just go work at Burger Shack and have all the money I need to fill my party needs.

Work two jobs. That's a solution. If an education is not going to get you a job, then you play the hand you are dealt and try to make everything work.

Once again, McDonald's is not going to go "Oh I have to pay everyone more money, I'll keep everyone and lose a chunk of my profits." They are going to fire enough people to not take a hit.

I'm not against the 15 bucks an hour thing, I'd love more money, but it's a stupid fucking idea and is just going to make things worse.

It will fix the poverty line for like a month, then the line will just rise.

You keep mentioning huge companies and how this is going to help all the people below the poverty line.

This is going to fuck small businesses up the ass, dropping them into the poverty line.

I can't reply to the other thing you said for some reason, so I'll reply to this comment instead.

You come from a family who has given you everything you need to get an education, and I assume you now have a better than minimum wage job?

You went to school, studied your ass off for, let's say, 3 years. You are now making X amount of money.

You are telling me you'd be okay with a pot smoking hippie making just as much money as you handing out flyers dressed in a pizza costume?

The American economy being fucked up the ass still affects me.

And people here want to raise the minimum wage too.

Stupidity unites everyone.

It's not about making lives easier. This isn't a fairy tale land where everything is pretty and perfect. This is the real world, and you get what you deserve, what you work for.

Life is hard.

And you keep overlooking the fact that the job market is going to be so much more competitive.

That 18 year old in your previous example is NEVER going to get a job making 30k because older people seem more trustworthy and will be given the job instead.

I can't reply to the other thing you said for some reason, so I'll reply to this comment instead.

You come from a family who has given you everything you need to get an education, and I assume you now have a better than minimum wage job?

You went to school, studied your ass off for, let's say, 3 years. You are now making X amount of money.

You are telling me you'd be okay with a pot smoking hippie making just as much money as you handing out flyers dressed in a pizza costume?

The American economy being fucked up the ass still affects me.

And people here want to raise the minimum wage too.

Stupidity unites everyone.

It isn't an assumption if it's true.

Anyone who wants more money for the same burger flipping job that a monkey could do instead of getting a better job or multiple jobs is lazy.

How old is the sibling?

The mother can qualify for disability benefits.

Student loans are a thing, just don't get a liberal arts major and you'll find a better job to be able to pay the loans off.

There are ALWAYS solutions in life.

Work two jobs. That's a solution. If an education is not going to get you a job, then you play the hand you are dealt and try to make everything work.

Once again, McDonald's is not going to go "Oh I have to pay everyone more money, I'll keep everyone and lose a chunk of my profits." They are going to fire enough people to not take a hit.

I'm not against the 15 bucks an hour thing, I'd love more money, but it's a stupid fucking idea and is just going to make things worse.

It will fix the poverty line for like a month, then the line will just rise.

You keep mentioning huge companies and how this is going to help all the people below the poverty line.

This is going to fuck small businesses up the ass, dropping them into the poverty line.

When did I assume you were poor?

What hypocrisy? I never once said anything about you in this argument.

It isn't an assumption if it's true.

Anyone who wants more money for the same burger flipping job that a monkey could do instead of getting a better job or multiple jobs is lazy.

When did I assume you were poor?

What hypocrisy? I never once said anything about you in this argument.

It isn't an assumption if it's true.

Anyone who wants more money for the same burger flipping job that a monkey could do instead of getting a better job or multiple jobs is lazy.

I also live next to a library. Free internet.

Life has solutions, raising the minimum wage is not one of them.

Lol, I live in Canada, I don't worry about getting injured cause my Country isn't retarded and doesn't make me pay 5,000 dollars for a cast.

Also, I live with 4 people, my rent is 480 a month.

I work 20 minutes away from my house, full time.

A cell phone is like 40 bucks a month. I have no debt, and I am currently in school.

I guess I just can't relate to people who can't get their shit together.

So you clearly can't see this from the perspective of people who are already making 15 bucks an hour after working hard to get that job. I can make the same amount of money doing an easier job, why wouldn't I? Future generations are going to be sooooo inspired to educate themselves now. I can get a job that pays 30,000 dollars a year instead of putting some effort into school? Fuck it, I'll just go work at Burger Shack and have all the money I need to fill my party needs.

It's not about making lives easier. This isn't a fairy tale land where everything is pretty and perfect. This is the real world, and you get what you deserve, what you work for.

Life is hard.

And you keep overlooking the fact that the job market is going to be so much more competitive.

That 18 year old in your previous example is NEVER going to get a job making 30k because older people seem more trustworthy and will be given the job instead.

I can't reply to the other thing you said for some reason, so I'll reply to this comment instead.

You come from a family who has given you everything you need to get an education, and I assume you now have a better than minimum wage job?

You went to school, studied your ass off for, let's say, 3 years. You are now making X amount of money.

You are telling me you'd be okay with a pot smoking hippie making just as much money as you handing out flyers dressed in a pizza costume?

The American economy being fucked up the ass still affects me.

And people here want to raise the minimum wage too.

Stupidity unites everyone.

I also live next to a library. Free internet.

Life has solutions, raising the minimum wage is not one of them.

Lol, I live in Canada, I don't worry about getting injured cause my Country isn't retarded and doesn't make me pay 5,000 dollars for a cast.

Also, I live with 4 people, my rent is 480 a month.

I work 20 minutes away from my house, full time.

A cell phone is like 40 bucks a month. I have no debt, and I am currently in school.

I guess I just can't relate to people who can't get their shit together.

So you clearly can't see this from the perspective of people who are already making 15 bucks an hour after working hard to get that job. I can make the same amount of money doing an easier job, why wouldn't I? Future generations are going to be sooooo inspired to educate themselves now. I can get a job that pays 30,000 dollars a year instead of putting some effort into school? Fuck it, I'll just go work at Burger Shack and have all the money I need to fill my party needs.

It's not about making lives easier. This isn't a fairy tale land where everything is pretty and perfect. This is the real world, and you get what you deserve, what you work for.

Life is hard.

And you keep overlooking the fact that the job market is going to be so much more competitive.

That 18 year old in your previous example is NEVER going to get a job making 30k because older people seem more trustworthy and will be given the job instead.

I can't reply to the other thing you said for some reason, so I'll reply to this comment instead.

You come from a family who has given you everything you need to get an education, and I assume you now have a better than minimum wage job?

You went to school, studied your ass off for, let's say, 3 years. You are now making X amount of money.

You are telling me you'd be okay with a pot smoking hippie making just as much money as you handing out flyers dressed in a pizza costume?

The American economy being fucked up the ass still affects me.

And people here want to raise the minimum wage too.

Stupidity unites everyone.

Loving the assumptions.

You don't know anything about me.

Personal attacks instead of rational arguments.

So proud of you.

When did I assume you were poor?

What hypocrisy? I never once said anything about you in this argument.

It isn't an assumption if it's true.

Anyone who wants more money for the same burger flipping job that a monkey could do instead of getting a better job or multiple jobs is lazy.

Also, how is 20,000 not livable?

Assuming you are alone, because if you have a family, you fucked yourself over and that shouldn't be anyone else's problem.

Find a place that has 500 dollars for rent. No, you don't get your own bathroom, your own kitchen, a nice looking place, and you live with other people, maybe in a bad neighbourhood.

That's 6000 dollars.

You don't get a car, because you can't afford it. Buses run everywhere. Bikes are less expensive than a car.

1150 dollars a month left for everything else.

500 for food and necessities. No, a movie ticket, a video game, and alcohol are not necessities.

650 dollars left a month, and you have shelter and food.

7800 dollars a year. in savings.

I'm pretty sure you can find an education for less than that.

No one wants to make sacrifices. "I want to go out with my friends whenever I want! My life sucks cause I work minimum wage, I want more money cause I don't feel like bettering myself."

I also live next to a library. Free internet.

Life has solutions, raising the minimum wage is not one of them.

Lol, I live in Canada, I don't worry about getting injured cause my Country isn't retarded and doesn't make me pay 5,000 dollars for a cast.

Also, I live with 4 people, my rent is 480 a month.

I work 20 minutes away from my house, full time.

A cell phone is like 40 bucks a month. I have no debt, and I am currently in school.

I guess I just can't relate to people who can't get their shit together.

So you clearly can't see this from the perspective of people who are already making 15 bucks an hour after working hard to get that job. I can make the same amount of money doing an easier job, why wouldn't I? Future generations are going to be sooooo inspired to educate themselves now. I can get a job that pays 30,000 dollars a year instead of putting some effort into school? Fuck it, I'll just go work at Burger Shack and have all the money I need to fill my party needs.

It's not about making lives easier. This isn't a fairy tale land where everything is pretty and perfect. This is the real world, and you get what you deserve, what you work for.

Life is hard.

And you keep overlooking the fact that the job market is going to be so much more competitive.

That 18 year old in your previous example is NEVER going to get a job making 30k because older people seem more trustworthy and will be given the job instead.

I can't reply to the other thing you said for some reason, so I'll reply to this comment instead.

You come from a family who has given you everything you need to get an education, and I assume you now have a better than minimum wage job?

You went to school, studied your ass off for, let's say, 3 years. You are now making X amount of money.

You are telling me you'd be okay with a pot smoking hippie making just as much money as you handing out flyers dressed in a pizza costume?

The American economy being fucked up the ass still affects me.

And people here want to raise the minimum wage too.

Stupidity unites everyone.

I am campaigning for uneducated morons who have no actual skills not making as much money as someone who has gone through years of education and are actually worth more on paper.

"But what if you can't afford education"

You don't need to blow 50,000 dollars on a college degree. You can do plenty of other things to increase your occupational worth.

You have kids? That is your problem. Condoms are cheap. Abortions are also legal.

Education is too expensive? Work two jobs, save up, and fight for your life.

All you want is a fucking handout because you are too lazy to work hard for what you want.

How old is the sibling?

The mother can qualify for disability benefits.

Student loans are a thing, just don't get a liberal arts major and you'll find a better job to be able to pay the loans off.

There are ALWAYS solutions in life.

Work two jobs. That's a solution. If an education is not going to get you a job, then you play the hand you are dealt and try to make everything work.

Once again, McDonald's is not going to go "Oh I have to pay everyone more money, I'll keep everyone and lose a chunk of my profits." They are going to fire enough people to not take a hit.

I'm not against the 15 bucks an hour thing, I'd love more money, but it's a stupid fucking idea and is just going to make things worse.

It will fix the poverty line for like a month, then the line will just rise.

You keep mentioning huge companies and how this is going to help all the people below the poverty line.

This is going to fuck small businesses up the ass, dropping them into the poverty line.

Loving the assumptions.

You don't know anything about me.

Personal attacks instead of rational arguments.

So proud of you.

When did I assume you were poor?

What hypocrisy? I never once said anything about you in this argument.

It isn't an assumption if it's true.

Anyone who wants more money for the same burger flipping job that a monkey could do instead of getting a better job or multiple jobs is lazy.

Kekerino man, I can't tell if you're brainwashed or just legitimately retarded.

You're part of this group of retards that never addresses this amazingly simple fact.
THERE ARE NOT UNLIMITED JOBS IN A CERTAIN FIELD.

Go ask some STEM degree holders how their job hunting is going. By your logic unemployment shouldn't exist. Because if everyone wants a job or a specific job there's room for them.

Oh I see what you're saying.

There is a limited number of jobs. Let's strain this issue by making companies pay people more, and make less jobs available.

Good idea!

I never said to work two full time jobs AND get an education.

Work two full time jobs UNTIL you have enough money to get an education, then quit one job.

"According to compensation survey administrator PayScale in 2010, the average income of small business owners varies widely depending upon their level of experience. For example, small business owners with less than one year of experience in running an organization earn an annual salary ranging from $34,392 to $75,076."

4 employees, change minimum wage, and the number becomes -5,000 to 35,000.

FUCK NEW BUSINESSES, FUCK TRYING TO MAKE MORE JOBS, ONLY LARGE COMPANIES SHOULD BE FINANCIALLY STABLE!

Also, how is 20,000 not livable?

Assuming you are alone, because if you have a family, you fucked yourself over and that shouldn't be anyone else's problem.

Find a place that has 500 dollars for rent. No, you don't get your own bathroom, your own kitchen, a nice looking place, and you live with other people, maybe in a bad neighbourhood.

That's 6000 dollars.

You don't get a car, because you can't afford it. Buses run everywhere. Bikes are less expensive than a car.

1150 dollars a month left for everything else.

500 for food and necessities. No, a movie ticket, a video game, and alcohol are not necessities.

650 dollars left a month, and you have shelter and food.

7800 dollars a year. in savings.

I'm pretty sure you can find an education for less than that.

No one wants to make sacrifices. "I want to go out with my friends whenever I want! My life sucks cause I work minimum wage, I want more money cause I don't feel like bettering myself."

I also live next to a library. Free internet.

Life has solutions, raising the minimum wage is not one of them.

Lol, I live in Canada, I don't worry about getting injured cause my Country isn't retarded and doesn't make me pay 5,000 dollars for a cast.

Also, I live with 4 people, my rent is 480 a month.

I work 20 minutes away from my house, full time.

A cell phone is like 40 bucks a month. I have no debt, and I am currently in school.

I guess I just can't relate to people who can't get their shit together.

So you clearly can't see this from the perspective of people who are already making 15 bucks an hour after working hard to get that job. I can make the same amount of money doing an easier job, why wouldn't I? Future generations are going to be sooooo inspired to educate themselves now. I can get a job that pays 30,000 dollars a year instead of putting some effort into school? Fuck it, I'll just go work at Burger Shack and have all the money I need to fill my party needs.

It's not about making lives easier. This isn't a fairy tale land where everything is pretty and perfect. This is the real world, and you get what you deserve, what you work for.

Life is hard.

And you keep overlooking the fact that the job market is going to be so much more competitive.

That 18 year old in your previous example is NEVER going to get a job making 30k because older people seem more trustworthy and will be given the job instead.

I can't reply to the other thing you said for some reason, so I'll reply to this comment instead.

You come from a family who has given you everything you need to get an education, and I assume you now have a better than minimum wage job?

You went to school, studied your ass off for, let's say, 3 years. You are now making X amount of money.

You are telling me you'd be okay with a pot smoking hippie making just as much money as you handing out flyers dressed in a pizza costume?

The American economy being fucked up the ass still affects me.

And people here want to raise the minimum wage too.

Stupidity unites everyone.

So basically your argument is "fuck the minority" if the majority of people are fine?

Why not bring back slavery? If a minority of people have to suffer in order to make the majority of lives better, it's a good idea right?

I am campaigning for uneducated morons who have no actual skills not making as much money as someone who has gone through years of education and are actually worth more on paper.

"But what if you can't afford education"

You don't need to blow 50,000 dollars on a college degree. You can do plenty of other things to increase your occupational worth.

You have kids? That is your problem. Condoms are cheap. Abortions are also legal.

Education is too expensive? Work two jobs, save up, and fight for your life.

All you want is a fucking handout because you are too lazy to work hard for what you want.

How old is the sibling?

The mother can qualify for disability benefits.

Student loans are a thing, just don't get a liberal arts major and you'll find a better job to be able to pay the loans off.

There are ALWAYS solutions in life.

Work two jobs. That's a solution. If an education is not going to get you a job, then you play the hand you are dealt and try to make everything work.

Once again, McDonald's is not going to go "Oh I have to pay everyone more money, I'll keep everyone and lose a chunk of my profits." They are going to fire enough people to not take a hit.

I'm not against the 15 bucks an hour thing, I'd love more money, but it's a stupid fucking idea and is just going to make things worse.

It will fix the poverty line for like a month, then the line will just rise.

You keep mentioning huge companies and how this is going to help all the people below the poverty line.

This is going to fuck small businesses up the ass, dropping them into the poverty line.

Loving the assumptions.

You don't know anything about me.

Personal attacks instead of rational arguments.

So proud of you.

When did I assume you were poor?

What hypocrisy? I never once said anything about you in this argument.

It isn't an assumption if it's true.

Anyone who wants more money for the same burger flipping job that a monkey could do instead of getting a better job or multiple jobs is lazy.

Kekerino man, I can't tell if you're brainwashed or just legitimately retarded.

You're part of this group of retards that never addresses this amazingly simple fact.
THERE ARE NOT UNLIMITED JOBS IN A CERTAIN FIELD.

Go ask some STEM degree holders how their job hunting is going. By your logic unemployment shouldn't exist. Because if everyone wants a job or a specific job there's room for them.

Oh I see what you're saying.

There is a limited number of jobs. Let's strain this issue by making companies pay people more, and make less jobs available.

Good idea!

I never said to work two full time jobs AND get an education.

Work two full time jobs UNTIL you have enough money to get an education, then quit one job.

"Oh also, if you wanna talk numbers.

35% of the working population of America is employed by small or very small businesses.

www.census.gov/econ/susb/ "

So 35% of the working population are now scared to lose their jobs because the small business employing them has to downsize, or go out of business all together.

GOOD IDEA.

"According to compensation survey administrator PayScale in 2010, the average income of small business owners varies widely depending upon their level of experience. For example, small business owners with less than one year of experience in running an organization earn an annual salary ranging from $34,392 to $75,076."

4 employees, change minimum wage, and the number becomes -5,000 to 35,000.

FUCK NEW BUSINESSES, FUCK TRYING TO MAKE MORE JOBS, ONLY LARGE COMPANIES SHOULD BE FINANCIALLY STABLE!

Also, how is 20,000 not livable?

Assuming you are alone, because if you have a family, you fucked yourself over and that shouldn't be anyone else's problem.

Find a place that has 500 dollars for rent. No, you don't get your own bathroom, your own kitchen, a nice looking place, and you live with other people, maybe in a bad neighbourhood.

That's 6000 dollars.

You don't get a car, because you can't afford it. Buses run everywhere. Bikes are less expensive than a car.

1150 dollars a month left for everything else.

500 for food and necessities. No, a movie ticket, a video game, and alcohol are not necessities.

650 dollars left a month, and you have shelter and food.

7800 dollars a year. in savings.

I'm pretty sure you can find an education for less than that.

No one wants to make sacrifices. "I want to go out with my friends whenever I want! My life sucks cause I work minimum wage, I want more money cause I don't feel like bettering myself."

I also live next to a library. Free internet.

Life has solutions, raising the minimum wage is not one of them.

Lol, I live in Canada, I don't worry about getting injured cause my Country isn't retarded and doesn't make me pay 5,000 dollars for a cast.

Also, I live with 4 people, my rent is 480 a month.

I work 20 minutes away from my house, full time.

A cell phone is like 40 bucks a month. I have no debt, and I am currently in school.

I guess I just can't relate to people who can't get their shit together.

So you clearly can't see this from the perspective of people who are already making 15 bucks an hour after working hard to get that job. I can make the same amount of money doing an easier job, why wouldn't I? Future generations are going to be sooooo inspired to educate themselves now. I can get a job that pays 30,000 dollars a year instead of putting some effort into school? Fuck it, I'll just go work at Burger Shack and have all the money I need to fill my party needs.

It's not about making lives easier. This isn't a fairy tale land where everything is pretty and perfect. This is the real world, and you get what you deserve, what you work for.

Life is hard.

And you keep overlooking the fact that the job market is going to be so much more competitive.

That 18 year old in your previous example is NEVER going to get a job making 30k because older people seem more trustworthy and will be given the job instead.

I can't reply to the other thing you said for some reason, so I'll reply to this comment instead.

You come from a family who has given you everything you need to get an education, and I assume you now have a better than minimum wage job?

You went to school, studied your ass off for, let's say, 3 years. You are now making X amount of money.

You are telling me you'd be okay with a pot smoking hippie making just as much money as you handing out flyers dressed in a pizza costume?

The American economy being fucked up the ass still affects me.

And people here want to raise the minimum wage too.

Stupidity unites everyone.

Oh also, if you wanna talk numbers.

35% of the working population of America is employed by small or very small businesses.

www.census.gov/econ/susb/

So basically your argument is "fuck the minority" if the majority of people are fine?

Why not bring back slavery? If a minority of people have to suffer in order to make the majority of lives better, it's a good idea right?

I am campaigning for uneducated morons who have no actual skills not making as much money as someone who has gone through years of education and are actually worth more on paper.

"But what if you can't afford education"

You don't need to blow 50,000 dollars on a college degree. You can do plenty of other things to increase your occupational worth.

You have kids? That is your problem. Condoms are cheap. Abortions are also legal.

Education is too expensive? Work two jobs, save up, and fight for your life.

All you want is a fucking handout because you are too lazy to work hard for what you want.

How old is the sibling?

The mother can qualify for disability benefits.

Student loans are a thing, just don't get a liberal arts major and you'll find a better job to be able to pay the loans off.

There are ALWAYS solutions in life.

Work two jobs. That's a solution. If an education is not going to get you a job, then you play the hand you are dealt and try to make everything work.

Once again, McDonald's is not going to go "Oh I have to pay everyone more money, I'll keep everyone and lose a chunk of my profits." They are going to fire enough people to not take a hit.

I'm not against the 15 bucks an hour thing, I'd love more money, but it's a stupid fucking idea and is just going to make things worse.

It will fix the poverty line for like a month, then the line will just rise.

You keep mentioning huge companies and how this is going to help all the people below the poverty line.

This is going to fuck small businesses up the ass, dropping them into the poverty line.

Loving the assumptions.

You don't know anything about me.

Personal attacks instead of rational arguments.

So proud of you.

When did I assume you were poor?

What hypocrisy? I never once said anything about you in this argument.

It isn't an assumption if it's true.

Anyone who wants more money for the same burger flipping job that a monkey could do instead of getting a better job or multiple jobs is lazy.

Kekerino man, I can't tell if you're brainwashed or just legitimately retarded.

You're part of this group of retards that never addresses this amazingly simple fact.
THERE ARE NOT UNLIMITED JOBS IN A CERTAIN FIELD.

Go ask some STEM degree holders how their job hunting is going. By your logic unemployment shouldn't exist. Because if everyone wants a job or a specific job there's room for them.

Oh I see what you're saying.

There is a limited number of jobs. Let's strain this issue by making companies pay people more, and make less jobs available.

Good idea!

I never said to work two full time jobs AND get an education.

Work two full time jobs UNTIL you have enough money to get an education, then quit one job.

"There are more big corporations, so fuck small businesses!"

"Oh also, if you wanna talk numbers.

35% of the working population of America is employed by small or very small businesses.

www.census.gov/econ/susb/ "

So 35% of the working population are now scared to lose their jobs because the small business employing them has to downsize, or go out of business all together.

GOOD IDEA.

"According to compensation survey administrator PayScale in 2010, the average income of small business owners varies widely depending upon their level of experience. For example, small business owners with less than one year of experience in running an organization earn an annual salary ranging from $34,392 to $75,076."

4 employees, change minimum wage, and the number becomes -5,000 to 35,000.

FUCK NEW BUSINESSES, FUCK TRYING TO MAKE MORE JOBS, ONLY LARGE COMPANIES SHOULD BE FINANCIALLY STABLE!

Also, how is 20,000 not livable?

Assuming you are alone, because if you have a family, you fucked yourself over and that shouldn't be anyone else's problem.

Find a place that has 500 dollars for rent. No, you don't get your own bathroom, your own kitchen, a nice looking place, and you live with other people, maybe in a bad neighbourhood.

That's 6000 dollars.

You don't get a car, because you can't afford it. Buses run everywhere. Bikes are less expensive than a car.

1150 dollars a month left for everything else.

500 for food and necessities. No, a movie ticket, a video game, and alcohol are not necessities.

650 dollars left a month, and you have shelter and food.

7800 dollars a year. in savings.

I'm pretty sure you can find an education for less than that.

No one wants to make sacrifices. "I want to go out with my friends whenever I want! My life sucks cause I work minimum wage, I want more money cause I don't feel like bettering myself."

I also live next to a library. Free internet.

Life has solutions, raising the minimum wage is not one of them.

Lol, I live in Canada, I don't worry about getting injured cause my Country isn't retarded and doesn't make me pay 5,000 dollars for a cast.

Also, I live with 4 people, my rent is 480 a month.

I work 20 minutes away from my house, full time.

A cell phone is like 40 bucks a month. I have no debt, and I am currently in school.

I guess I just can't relate to people who can't get their shit together.

So you clearly can't see this from the perspective of people who are already making 15 bucks an hour after working hard to get that job. I can make the same amount of money doing an easier job, why wouldn't I? Future generations are going to be sooooo inspired to educate themselves now. I can get a job that pays 30,000 dollars a year instead of putting some effort into school? Fuck it, I'll just go work at Burger Shack and have all the money I need to fill my party needs.

It's not about making lives easier. This isn't a fairy tale land where everything is pretty and perfect. This is the real world, and you get what you deserve, what you work for.

Life is hard.

And you keep overlooking the fact that the job market is going to be so much more competitive.

That 18 year old in your previous example is NEVER going to get a job making 30k because older people seem more trustworthy and will be given the job instead.

I can't reply to the other thing you said for some reason, so I'll reply to this comment instead.

You come from a family who has given you everything you need to get an education, and I assume you now have a better than minimum wage job?

You went to school, studied your ass off for, let's say, 3 years. You are now making X amount of money.

You are telling me you'd be okay with a pot smoking hippie making just as much money as you handing out flyers dressed in a pizza costume?

The American economy being fucked up the ass still affects me.

And people here want to raise the minimum wage too.

Stupidity unites everyone.

So what you are saying is yes, if you have 300,000 dollars to start a franchise, you will be just fine.

Got it.

Oh also, if you wanna talk numbers.

35% of the working population of America is employed by small or very small businesses.

www.census.gov/econ/susb/

So basically your argument is "fuck the minority" if the majority of people are fine?

Why not bring back slavery? If a minority of people have to suffer in order to make the majority of lives better, it's a good idea right?

I am campaigning for uneducated morons who have no actual skills not making as much money as someone who has gone through years of education and are actually worth more on paper.

"But what if you can't afford education"

You don't need to blow 50,000 dollars on a college degree. You can do plenty of other things to increase your occupational worth.

You have kids? That is your problem. Condoms are cheap. Abortions are also legal.

Education is too expensive? Work two jobs, save up, and fight for your life.

All you want is a fucking handout because you are too lazy to work hard for what you want.

How old is the sibling?

The mother can qualify for disability benefits.

Student loans are a thing, just don't get a liberal arts major and you'll find a better job to be able to pay the loans off.

There are ALWAYS solutions in life.

Work two jobs. That's a solution. If an education is not going to get you a job, then you play the hand you are dealt and try to make everything work.

Once again, McDonald's is not going to go "Oh I have to pay everyone more money, I'll keep everyone and lose a chunk of my profits." They are going to fire enough people to not take a hit.

I'm not against the 15 bucks an hour thing, I'd love more money, but it's a stupid fucking idea and is just going to make things worse.

It will fix the poverty line for like a month, then the line will just rise.

You keep mentioning huge companies and how this is going to help all the people below the poverty line.

This is going to fuck small businesses up the ass, dropping them into the poverty line.

Loving the assumptions.

You don't know anything about me.

Personal attacks instead of rational arguments.

So proud of you.

When did I assume you were poor?

What hypocrisy? I never once said anything about you in this argument.

It isn't an assumption if it's true.

Anyone who wants more money for the same burger flipping job that a monkey could do instead of getting a better job or multiple jobs is lazy.

Kekerino man, I can't tell if you're brainwashed or just legitimately retarded.

You're part of this group of retards that never addresses this amazingly simple fact.
THERE ARE NOT UNLIMITED JOBS IN A CERTAIN FIELD.

Go ask some STEM degree holders how their job hunting is going. By your logic unemployment shouldn't exist. Because if everyone wants a job or a specific job there's room for them.

Oh I see what you're saying.

There is a limited number of jobs. Let's strain this issue by making companies pay people more, and make less jobs available.

Good idea!

I never said to work two full time jobs AND get an education.

Work two full time jobs UNTIL you have enough money to get an education, then quit one job.

"There are more big corporations, so fuck small businesses!"

"Oh also, if you wanna talk numbers.

35% of the working population of America is employed by small or very small businesses.

www.census.gov/econ/susb/ "

So 35% of the working population are now scared to lose their jobs because the small business employing them has to downsize, or go out of business all together.

GOOD IDEA.

"According to compensation survey administrator PayScale in 2010, the average income of small business owners varies widely depending upon their level of experience. For example, small business owners with less than one year of experience in running an organization earn an annual salary ranging from $34,392 to $75,076."

4 employees, change minimum wage, and the number becomes -5,000 to 35,000.

FUCK NEW BUSINESSES, FUCK TRYING TO MAKE MORE JOBS, ONLY LARGE COMPANIES SHOULD BE FINANCIALLY STABLE!

Also, how is 20,000 not livable?

Assuming you are alone, because if you have a family, you fucked yourself over and that shouldn't be anyone else's problem.

Find a place that has 500 dollars for rent. No, you don't get your own bathroom, your own kitchen, a nice looking place, and you live with other people, maybe in a bad neighbourhood.

That's 6000 dollars.

You don't get a car, because you can't afford it. Buses run everywhere. Bikes are less expensive than a car.

1150 dollars a month left for everything else.

500 for food and necessities. No, a movie ticket, a video game, and alcohol are not necessities.

650 dollars left a month, and you have shelter and food.

7800 dollars a year. in savings.

I'm pretty sure you can find an education for less than that.

No one wants to make sacrifices. "I want to go out with my friends whenever I want! My life sucks cause I work minimum wage, I want more money cause I don't feel like bettering myself."

I also live next to a library. Free internet.

Life has solutions, raising the minimum wage is not one of them.

Lol, I live in Canada, I don't worry about getting injured cause my Country isn't retarded and doesn't make me pay 5,000 dollars for a cast.

Also, I live with 4 people, my rent is 480 a month.

I work 20 minutes away from my house, full time.

A cell phone is like 40 bucks a month. I have no debt, and I am currently in school.

I guess I just can't relate to people who can't get their shit together.

So you clearly can't see this from the perspective of people who are already making 15 bucks an hour after working hard to get that job. I can make the same amount of money doing an easier job, why wouldn't I? Future generations are going to be sooooo inspired to educate themselves now. I can get a job that pays 30,000 dollars a year instead of putting some effort into school? Fuck it, I'll just go work at Burger Shack and have all the money I need to fill my party needs.

It's not about making lives easier. This isn't a fairy tale land where everything is pretty and perfect. This is the real world, and you get what you deserve, what you work for.

Life is hard.

And you keep overlooking the fact that the job market is going to be so much more competitive.

That 18 year old in your previous example is NEVER going to get a job making 30k because older people seem more trustworthy and will be given the job instead.

I can't reply to the other thing you said for some reason, so I'll reply to this comment instead.

You come from a family who has given you everything you need to get an education, and I assume you now have a better than minimum wage job?

You went to school, studied your ass off for, let's say, 3 years. You are now making X amount of money.

You are telling me you'd be okay with a pot smoking hippie making just as much money as you handing out flyers dressed in a pizza costume?

The American economy being fucked up the ass still affects me.

And people here want to raise the minimum wage too.

Stupidity unites everyone.

You are equating a McDonalds to a ma and pop pizza shop.

You are a fucking moron.

Using PIZZA HUT as the baseline for your argument is moronic.

Congrats, you proved that huge companies and people with 300,000 to spare won't be affected by the wage increase.

Bravo.

So what you are saying is yes, if you have 300,000 dollars to start a franchise, you will be just fine.

Got it.

Oh also, if you wanna talk numbers.

35% of the working population of America is employed by small or very small businesses.

www.census.gov/econ/susb/

So basically your argument is "fuck the minority" if the majority of people are fine?

Why not bring back slavery? If a minority of people have to suffer in order to make the majority of lives better, it's a good idea right?

I am campaigning for uneducated morons who have no actual skills not making as much money as someone who has gone through years of education and are actually worth more on paper.

"But what if you can't afford education"

You don't need to blow 50,000 dollars on a college degree. You can do plenty of other things to increase your occupational worth.

You have kids? That is your problem. Condoms are cheap. Abortions are also legal.

Education is too expensive? Work two jobs, save up, and fight for your life.

All you want is a fucking handout because you are too lazy to work hard for what you want.

How old is the sibling?

The mother can qualify for disability benefits.

Student loans are a thing, just don't get a liberal arts major and you'll find a better job to be able to pay the loans off.

There are ALWAYS solutions in life.

Work two jobs. That's a solution. If an education is not going to get you a job, then you play the hand you are dealt and try to make everything work.

Once again, McDonald's is not going to go "Oh I have to pay everyone more money, I'll keep everyone and lose a chunk of my profits." They are going to fire enough people to not take a hit.

I'm not against the 15 bucks an hour thing, I'd love more money, but it's a stupid fucking idea and is just going to make things worse.

It will fix the poverty line for like a month, then the line will just rise.

You keep mentioning huge companies and how this is going to help all the people below the poverty line.

This is going to fuck small businesses up the ass, dropping them into the poverty line.

Loving the assumptions.

You don't know anything about me.

Personal attacks instead of rational arguments.

So proud of you.

When did I assume you were poor?

What hypocrisy? I never once said anything about you in this argument.

It isn't an assumption if it's true.

Anyone who wants more money for the same burger flipping job that a monkey could do instead of getting a better job or multiple jobs is lazy.

Kekerino man, I can't tell if you're brainwashed or just legitimately retarded.

You're part of this group of retards that never addresses this amazingly simple fact.
THERE ARE NOT UNLIMITED JOBS IN A CERTAIN FIELD.

Go ask some STEM degree holders how their job hunting is going. By your logic unemployment shouldn't exist. Because if everyone wants a job or a specific job there's room for them.

Oh I see what you're saying.

There is a limited number of jobs. Let's strain this issue by making companies pay people more, and make less jobs available.

Good idea!

I never said to work two full time jobs AND get an education.

Work two full time jobs UNTIL you have enough money to get an education, then quit one job.

"There are more big corporations, so fuck small businesses!"

"Oh also, if you wanna talk numbers.

35% of the working population of America is employed by small or very small businesses.

www.census.gov/econ/susb/ "

So 35% of the working population are now scared to lose their jobs because the small business employing them has to downsize, or go out of business all together.

GOOD IDEA.

"According to compensation survey administrator PayScale in 2010, the average income of small business owners varies widely depending upon their level of experience. For example, small business owners with less than one year of experience in running an organization earn an annual salary ranging from $34,392 to $75,076."

4 employees, change minimum wage, and the number becomes -5,000 to 35,000.

FUCK NEW BUSINESSES, FUCK TRYING TO MAKE MORE JOBS, ONLY LARGE COMPANIES SHOULD BE FINANCIALLY STABLE!

Also, how is 20,000 not livable?

Assuming you are alone, because if you have a family, you fucked yourself over and that shouldn't be anyone else's problem.

Find a place that has 500 dollars for rent. No, you don't get your own bathroom, your own kitchen, a nice looking place, and you live with other people, maybe in a bad neighbourhood.

That's 6000 dollars.

You don't get a car, because you can't afford it. Buses run everywhere. Bikes are less expensive than a car.

1150 dollars a month left for everything else.

500 for food and necessities. No, a movie ticket, a video game, and alcohol are not necessities.

650 dollars left a month, and you have shelter and food.

7800 dollars a year. in savings.

I'm pretty sure you can find an education for less than that.

No one wants to make sacrifices. "I want to go out with my friends whenever I want! My life sucks cause I work minimum wage, I want more money cause I don't feel like bettering myself."

I also live next to a library. Free internet.

Life has solutions, raising the minimum wage is not one of them.

Lol, I live in Canada, I don't worry about getting injured cause my Country isn't retarded and doesn't make me pay 5,000 dollars for a cast.

Also, I live with 4 people, my rent is 480 a month.

I work 20 minutes away from my house, full time.

A cell phone is like 40 bucks a month. I have no debt, and I am currently in school.

I guess I just can't relate to people who can't get their shit together.

So you clearly can't see this from the perspective of people who are already making 15 bucks an hour after working hard to get that job. I can make the same amount of money doing an easier job, why wouldn't I? Future generations are going to be sooooo inspired to educate themselves now. I can get a job that pays 30,000 dollars a year instead of putting some effort into school? Fuck it, I'll just go work at Burger Shack and have all the money I need to fill my party needs.

It's not about making lives easier. This isn't a fairy tale land where everything is pretty and perfect. This is the real world, and you get what you deserve, what you work for.

Life is hard.

And you keep overlooking the fact that the job market is going to be so much more competitive.

That 18 year old in your previous example is NEVER going to get a job making 30k because older people seem more trustworthy and will be given the job instead.

I can't reply to the other thing you said for some reason, so I'll reply to this comment instead.

You come from a family who has given you everything you need to get an education, and I assume you now have a better than minimum wage job?

You went to school, studied your ass off for, let's say, 3 years. You are now making X amount of money.

You are telling me you'd be okay with a pot smoking hippie making just as much money as you handing out flyers dressed in a pizza costume?

The American economy being fucked up the ass still affects me.

And people here want to raise the minimum wage too.

Stupidity unites everyone.