There's no real contradiction there, The human-forerunner war took place centuries before the Halo array had even been created.

I have one thing to say to you, and that's Halo Legends, Origins Part 1 and 2.

Origins part 1 refers to the Forerunners' war with the Flood which lead to the creation of the Halo array. This was the second emergence of the Flood, the first was during the Human-Forerunner war. The Forerunners knew nothing about the Flood at the time and so deemed Humanity a danger to other sentient life and de-evolved them. Halo: Origins picks up the story after that.

The Librarian in Halo 4 says that the Humans were running from the Flood, and the Diadact was creating forerunner/human/cyborg creations to combat it during the war with humans. So no, they are going back on lore.

Oh i apologize for not being clear, i agree that 343 horrendously mutilated the lore, i was just stating that your example of said mutilation was invalid... my bad...

Humans weren't quite as technologically advanced as forerunners and I'm pretty sure they make that point pretty clear. The humans found it easier to just blow up planets that had flood on it, regardless of whether it was forerunner or not (hence the enemy part). However there were forerunners who were "humanitarian" I guess you could say, like the librarian, that wanted to save the sentient species. Therefore she saved humanity but downgraded them to the stone age and threw them on earth so the more militaristic forerunners couldn't complain that the humans would come back again after they fired the ring.
Personally I think that makes perfect sense with what you're trying to say. Also Halo Legends seemed to go be kind of off when following lore in the books or games. Halo 4 on the other hand seemed to follow the "true" lore better.

That's not quite true, humanity was running from the flood so they wiped out civilizations in order to colonize new planets. Humanity was, in fact, more advanced than the Forerunners. The only reason the Forerunners defeated them was because Humanity was busy fighting the flood, and had to sacrifice a third of their population in order to stop the Flood.

My bad, I could have sworn humans were less technologically developed. After re-reading it I realized that I misinterpreted this tier set of technology-halo.wikia.com/wiki/Technological_Achievement_Tiers
Before I thought it said pre-historic humans were on a lower level than forerunners rather than above them. Thanks for the clarification.

Yeah. The robot one was on 1,000 ways to die, but in the portrayal the guy died because the robot itself killed him.

You shit talkin boy?

>crowning witches
>pistol

Seems legit.

You understand it is in fact possible to crown a witch with a pistol, right? I've done it before, and so has my brother in versus on the 360. Just because you've never done it doesn't mean it isn't real. And by the way, Im fairly sure you can do the same with Hunting Rifles and Assault Rifles, not just shotguns.

Most people used the DMR anyway. Personally, I only played Spartan Ops and the campaign. The multiplayer always lagged so much though that it was hardly worth doing anyway.

i actually don't have time to visit rapture again, and i don't see why she can't jump to further later in the timeline. btw why could booker operate the bathisphere unless he is related to AR. i think there will be a sequel which will clarify or try to the whole thing

Look up a video about it then, explains the scenes in particular. However, all you do for the bathosphere is pull a lever... Not that hard to operate, it's automated.

Actually, if you look at the calender when you're in the room the first time with elizabeth, you'll see it reads, Oct 8, 1893 and there's someone banging on the door for the girl. After you "die" you'll watch the credits, if you watch all the way to the end, you'll see a cutscnene where your back at the office on the same day and no one's looking for the girl. if you open the door, to here room, Anna's there. You essentially ended all realties of comstock. And he never comes for anna. And then Booker just lives the rest of life with Anna. No Elizabth. no Comstock. no City

yeah but anna can't go back in time she just jumps from a dimension to another, apart from the tear she opened to paris where the theatre sign is showing the return of the jedi

Actually she can jump through time albeit it can't go from like 1912 till 2030 but it can go between a few years, that's why you end up in Rapture, to kill Songbird, while it's a wreck. And if you go back and play Bioshock 1 at one point you can -hear- Songbird's dying screeches. AND the Bathosphere you ride back to the surface has the spider-cracks from when the splicer beat on the glass when you first enter in Bioshock 1.

i actually don't have time to visit rapture again, and i don't see why she can't jump to further later in the timeline. btw why could booker operate the bathisphere unless he is related to AR. i think there will be a sequel which will clarify or try to the whole thing

Look up a video about it then, explains the scenes in particular. However, all you do for the bathosphere is pull a lever... Not that hard to operate, it's automated.

fuck am just gonna say it
how does drowning player bookeer end the cycle in all realites

Essentially how multiverse theory works is if you have two options you create two separate timelines, one where you did option A and one where you did option B. Those two timelines exist independent of the other and have their own branches and decision they make and whatnot. The whole Comstock/Booker thing came from that one decision to be or not be baptized. If he died there he never would have made either chose and thus none of those realities would have happened.

It's like chopping down a tree. Instead of chopping down the individual branches, they chopped down the main trunk.

except she didn't kill him see developers notes she just killed comstock

She kill the possibility of him becoming Comstock. If he wasn't drowned at that point there would always be a reality where he went through with it, and if there was never a Comstock booker never gave up his daughter so he never had to be drowned so he still lived.

It's confusing, I know, multiverse timetravel is difficult stuff. Here's a helpful "map" to guide you though it

booker drowns-> comstock never exists -> anna neverstolen-> anna drowning booker never happens-> comstock exists -> anna stolen (and thus the cycle is never broken)

Not necessarily, I can see where you'd get that paradoxical thought, but in reality it goes

Booker drowns-> Comstock never exists-> Comstock never builds Columbia-> Lutece never makes multiverse traveling-> Anne never stolen-> Booker remains with Anne and raises her.

I forgot to make it small so I deleted the last one.

for the small its just me fucking around so poeple who don't want to get spoiled have difficulties to read.
for your theory going back and drowning booker in the baptism to kill comstock -> booker comesback to life and continue to live with elizabeth as anna who have no power what so ever. yet wounded knee events will still happen and past booker will still wants to get baptised. imo it would have been better to eliminate the cause that led booker to participate to wounded knee but you cant do that those events are still gonna happen (thus the quote "how far does one have to go back")

Going back to wounded knee would have stopped him from wanting to get baptized, but it also may have stopped Booker from meeting the mother of his child or ever having a kid to begin with. That's the tricky bit of going back in time, if you don't change something at just the right point in time, the rest of the timeline with be completely messed up.

As for the baptism bit, the reality in which he was drowned encompassed all realities in which he would have considered baptism so they were eliminated. He probably still regrets wounded knee and the terrible things he's done, but he chose to just live with them and start anew with his family.

Fucking hell, I did it again. I know it doesn't really matter, but it's half the theme of this conversation.

Because that was the original from what I gathered. And as such, if he was not to become Comstock then he would not want Anna from a different reality.

Actually, if you look at the calender when you're in the room the first time with elizabeth, you'll see it reads, Oct 8, 1893 and there's someone banging on the door for the girl. After you "die" you'll watch the credits, if you watch all the way to the end, you'll see a cutscnene where your back at the office on the same day and no one's looking for the girl. if you open the door, to here room, Anna's there. You essentially ended all realties of comstock. And he never comes for anna. And then Booker just lives the rest of life with Anna. No Elizabth. no Comstock. no City

yeah but anna can't go back in time she just jumps from a dimension to another, apart from the tear she opened to paris where the theatre sign is showing the return of the jedi

Actually she can jump through time albeit it can't go from like 1912 till 2030 but it can go between a few years, that's why you end up in Rapture, to kill Songbird, while it's a wreck. And if you go back and play Bioshock 1 at one point you can -hear- Songbird's dying screeches. AND the Bathosphere you ride back to the surface has the spider-cracks from when the splicer beat on the glass when you first enter in Bioshock 1.

i actually don't have time to visit rapture again, and i don't see why she can't jump to further later in the timeline. btw why could booker operate the bathisphere unless he is related to AR. i think there will be a sequel which will clarify or try to the whole thing

Look up a video about it then, explains the scenes in particular. However, all you do for the bathosphere is pull a lever... Not that hard to operate, it's automated.

What I always found to be super halarious fun was either 8 player free for all slayer on lockout with bruteshots or rockets on a Really small map.