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#143 - hudis (12/03/2013) [-]
Wait, the gun free zones are that small? I always thought people were talking about entire districts of cities (or entire cities, counties etc) when they talked about gun free zones - but if it concerns that tiny an area at a time, then how is it even relevant? Furthermore, doesn't that point even more to the 'malice aforethought' of the guilty parties of mass shootings that many of them chose to do it in gun free zones?
#287 - majordraco (12/04/2013) [-]
Sometimes gun free zones are that large but usually it is a mall, or group of businesses.
The point is that you can't just leave your gun at the counter when you run in for coffee or do some shopping with family. The procedures for disarming and storing your firearm can be time consuming and makes your firearm worthless while it is locked in your car.
As an eyewitness to a shooting I can tell you of the helplessness you feel when your firearm is hundreds of feet away and the active shooter is right there.
Some elect to leave their firearm at home if they know they can't bring it to most places they are going, therefore making it equally useless.
to highlight the dangers of gun free zones Suzanna Hupp explains it clearly.
#288 - hudis (12/04/2013) [-]
I can't say she doesn't bring some good arguments, but she does play almost completely on sentimentality and semi-isolated events. The thing is that if we take madmen and mass-shootings into account, then why don't we also take into account the numerous events in which people have shot their kids by accident due to thinking them burglars, shot unarmed burglars (I believe that's wrong, you probably don't, we'll agree to disagree), missed a shot in public and hit someone else, escalated situations by carrying and by acting for that matter, etc?
The common denominator is guns, and while that may seem a rash conclusion to an American, there are many from different parts of the world who would disagree. Part of why it's so complicated is because it's a cultural matter, not because the second amendment is vaguely phrased. The U.S. does undeniably have a very strong, deeply rooted gun-culture (some would argue war-culture, in extension) as well as a reverence for the Constitution that borders on religious, and I think that definitely affects people's judgement on this issue on an emotional level.
#292 - majordraco (12/05/2013) [-]
Also killing someone breaking in your home is always okay because they took the risk, I don't know if you have a family but I am not willing to risk anything. Burglars know that they can be shot for entering buildings, they took the risk, it isn't your responsibility to figure out if he is armed or not or if he is there just for food or he intends on murdering and raping your whole family.
Basically they decided, not you, if they should be shot.
#291 - majordraco (12/05/2013) [-]
If you passed a law for everything dangerous or used irresponsibly you couldn't stop at just guns.
There are far many more things that kill many more people, or just as many yet the outcry is against guns. The other things you listed are so statistically insignificant, as they make up such a small number that bathtub drowning is more likely. Those are things that just don't happen, and legislating constrictions on everyone won't prevent.
And if you took guns from the law abiding citizens more people who couldn't defend themselves would die.
But statistics prove that where more legal guns are, crime is lower, laws only affect the legally owned guns and not illegal guns.
You can't say a common denominator is guns when you cherry pick what kinds of deaths your looking at. In fact the total number of gun deaths, minus suicides, and defensive shootings, in the US is smaller than those killed in alcohol related deaths on average yearly. Common denominator being alcohol, yet there is no push for abolishing alcohol, as what do you "need" it for?
The whole point is legal guns don't kill people, yet that is the focus of anti gun groups.
The fabrication of "gun-culture" and the air of religions zealots clinging to their guns has been portrayed as a way to shame people into giving up guns and make people think that only racist white rednecks own guns.
Perhaps proper training should be offered to more people or make it a part of regular schooling would help prevent more deaths by firearms, I think education and training would go much further to curb firearm deaths than anything else.
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