How much money they make in a year?
I don't think it entirely matters, either way if she doesn't stick with him for the rest of her life, she's fucked.

Well, that just depends on how many men named Rustle there are out there.

I see your point, and I agree. I'm pretty sure most communists would agree too, but that's not the whole point of communist theory. "Well at least it's better than capitalism".

I do see some charm in market socialism and mutualism though, doing some reading on those subjects atm.

Ah, right. Well, I'm no political mind myself. It's just come up quite frequently recently.

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i ran out of things.

Partial communism, which communists just call communism, is basically exactly the same as "full communism". Except that "full communism" is the utopian version where there is complete absence of class and state structure. It's the same as saying that there is no such thing as ultimate totalitarianism, as there cannot possibly be one person in control of everything. There is always a degree of freedom no matter how small.

Ah, alright. Still, I feel the sense of Greed would keep a class system for ever properly being abolished.

I see your point, and I agree. I'm pretty sure most communists would agree too, but that's not the whole point of communist theory. "Well at least it's better than capitalism".

I do see some charm in market socialism and mutualism though, doing some reading on those subjects atm.

Ah, right. Well, I'm no political mind myself. It's just come up quite frequently recently.

Want to start a flame war and summon the great red wall of thumbs?

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i ran out of things.

Communists do not aim to eradicate greed, rather class relations. Even then I think you'd be hard pressed to find a communist who thinks "full communism" is realistic at all.

Right, but for, as you put it, "full communism" to work, you'd need to eradicate greed. That said, could you explain to me how partial communism might work as opposed to full communism?

Partial communism, which communists just call communism, is basically exactly the same as "full communism". Except that "full communism" is the utopian version where there is complete absence of class and state structure. It's the same as saying that there is no such thing as ultimate totalitarianism, as there cannot possibly be one person in control of everything. There is always a degree of freedom no matter how small.

Ah, alright. Still, I feel the sense of Greed would keep a class system for ever properly being abolished.

I see your point, and I agree. I'm pretty sure most communists would agree too, but that's not the whole point of communist theory. "Well at least it's better than capitalism".

I do see some charm in market socialism and mutualism though, doing some reading on those subjects atm.

Ah, right. Well, I'm no political mind myself. It's just come up quite frequently recently.

i dont know, but i was just being sarcastic pointing out how she would not be a good role model with a tattoo of a guys name she had just met. if she had a little sister that adore her, would you think that tattoo was a good sign to her little sister?

I understand what you were pointing out, and I was pointing out the meaninglessness of what you pointed out. I suppose her little sister might draw a different conclusion from that than what you do.

Want to start a flame war and summon the great red wall of thumbs?

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i ran out of things.

Aye, but as proven by numerous experiments, altruism is the default state, not greed. Communists argue that it is better (not perfect, mind you) to have system which discourages greed and encourages altruism, than a system in the opposite.

Perhaps so, but to eradicate greed entirely would be a herculean task. If there is even a seed of it in the right person it can cause way for problems and corruption. That's where communism reaches a problematic point; the only way to rid greed entirely is complete control and suppression. However, complete control and suppression is no longer altruism, creating more of a problem in the attempt to remove it, not to mention that if successful things go down the route of 1984 and no one is ever capable of free thought.

Communists do not aim to eradicate greed, rather class relations. Even then I think you'd be hard pressed to find a communist who thinks "full communism" is realistic at all.

Right, but for, as you put it, "full communism" to work, you'd need to eradicate greed. That said, could you explain to me how partial communism might work as opposed to full communism?

Partial communism, which communists just call communism, is basically exactly the same as "full communism". Except that "full communism" is the utopian version where there is complete absence of class and state structure. It's the same as saying that there is no such thing as ultimate totalitarianism, as there cannot possibly be one person in control of everything. There is always a degree of freedom no matter how small.

Ah, alright. Still, I feel the sense of Greed would keep a class system for ever properly being abolished.

I see your point, and I agree. I'm pretty sure most communists would agree too, but that's not the whole point of communist theory. "Well at least it's better than capitalism".

I do see some charm in market socialism and mutualism though, doing some reading on those subjects atm.

Ah, right. Well, I'm no political mind myself. It's just come up quite frequently recently.

Nobody is assigned to be a role model.

And i have read this story before, she met him 24 hours before she got the tattoo. Shes just another stupid girl who does stupid things she will regret in the future.

Then you can't use it as an argument that she's got a duty to uphold in being a good role model.


Are they still together?

i dont know, but i was just being sarcastic pointing out how she would not be a good role model with a tattoo of a guys name she had just met. if she had a little sister that adore her, would you think that tattoo was a good sign to her little sister?

I understand what you were pointing out, and I was pointing out the meaninglessness of what you pointed out. I suppose her little sister might draw a different conclusion from that than what you do.

Want to start a flame war and summon the great red wall of thumbs?

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i ran out of things.

Ah, right, I misconstrued that then. But yes I would agree, though it is not an argument against communism.

I wasn't really arguing against Communism. I support the idea; rather, I think the problem with Communism in practice is the essence of greed in mankind. People constantly need new stimulus, it's a survival tactic, and desiring more and more, even when they have enough to be perfectly happy, is an unfortunate side effect of that.

Aye, but as proven by numerous experiments, altruism is the default state, not greed. Communists argue that it is better (not perfect, mind you) to have system which discourages greed and encourages altruism, than a system in the opposite.

Perhaps so, but to eradicate greed entirely would be a herculean task. If there is even a seed of it in the right person it can cause way for problems and corruption. That's where communism reaches a problematic point; the only way to rid greed entirely is complete control and suppression. However, complete control and suppression is no longer altruism, creating more of a problem in the attempt to remove it, not to mention that if successful things go down the route of 1984 and no one is ever capable of free thought.

Communists do not aim to eradicate greed, rather class relations. Even then I think you'd be hard pressed to find a communist who thinks "full communism" is realistic at all.

Right, but for, as you put it, "full communism" to work, you'd need to eradicate greed. That said, could you explain to me how partial communism might work as opposed to full communism?

Partial communism, which communists just call communism, is basically exactly the same as "full communism". Except that "full communism" is the utopian version where there is complete absence of class and state structure. It's the same as saying that there is no such thing as ultimate totalitarianism, as there cannot possibly be one person in control of everything. There is always a degree of freedom no matter how small.

Ah, alright. Still, I feel the sense of Greed would keep a class system for ever properly being abolished.

I see your point, and I agree. I'm pretty sure most communists would agree too, but that's not the whole point of communist theory. "Well at least it's better than capitalism".

I do see some charm in market socialism and mutualism though, doing some reading on those subjects atm.

Ah, right. Well, I'm no political mind myself. It's just come up quite frequently recently.

im sorry, but there just isnt a sarcastic way of typing is there?

The point is, you shouldnt tattoo someones name on you if they are not family, great friends or have done a huge impact on your life.

No no, what I mean is that I recognized that your comment was sarcastic, but I disagree with the message sent regardless. You're saying that she would be a bad role model by facetiously saying she'd be a great one, but what I'm arguing is that she doesn't have a responsibility to BE a role model in the first place. She isn't assigned that duty, and it isn't her fault if people decide to follow her example.


My point is, you shouldn't say that someone should or shouldn't do something if it isn't imposing on anyone else and it makes them happy. Also, how do you know her boyfriend HASN'T had a huge impact on her life? I'm fairly certain that if great friends are face-tat material, lifemates are too.

Nobody is assigned to be a role model.

And i have read this story before, she met him 24 hours before she got the tattoo. Shes just another stupid girl who does stupid things she will regret in the future.

Then you can't use it as an argument that she's got a duty to uphold in being a good role model.


Are they still together?

i dont know, but i was just being sarcastic pointing out how she would not be a good role model with a tattoo of a guys name she had just met. if she had a little sister that adore her, would you think that tattoo was a good sign to her little sister?

I understand what you were pointing out, and I was pointing out the meaninglessness of what you pointed out. I suppose her little sister might draw a different conclusion from that than what you do.

Want to start a flame war and summon the great red wall of thumbs?

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i ran out of things.

You said the complete opposite. I'm arguing that meals are inherently communal, which they are, and you're arguing they're completely selfish.

Also, you're wrong in saying all animals only care about themselves. This hasn't been an idea since the 1800's and is very obviously observable to be the contrary.

That's the exact opposite of what I'm saying though.

I was arguing that in a tribe of people, immediate family shared with immediate family, and even if someone outside of that group was more "deserving" of food, the family communally cared about themselves. Also, when I say tribes I'm talking Neolithic Era. Cave People.

Also, I'm not saying Animals only care about themselves personally, rather, they care about themselves and those they consider part of their family.

Ah, right, I misconstrued that then. But yes I would agree, though it is not an argument against communism.

I wasn't really arguing against Communism. I support the idea; rather, I think the problem with Communism in practice is the essence of greed in mankind. People constantly need new stimulus, it's a survival tactic, and desiring more and more, even when they have enough to be perfectly happy, is an unfortunate side effect of that.

Aye, but as proven by numerous experiments, altruism is the default state, not greed. Communists argue that it is better (not perfect, mind you) to have system which discourages greed and encourages altruism, than a system in the opposite.

Perhaps so, but to eradicate greed entirely would be a herculean task. If there is even a seed of it in the right person it can cause way for problems and corruption. That's where communism reaches a problematic point; the only way to rid greed entirely is complete control and suppression. However, complete control and suppression is no longer altruism, creating more of a problem in the attempt to remove it, not to mention that if successful things go down the route of 1984 and no one is ever capable of free thought.

Communists do not aim to eradicate greed, rather class relations. Even then I think you'd be hard pressed to find a communist who thinks "full communism" is realistic at all.

Right, but for, as you put it, "full communism" to work, you'd need to eradicate greed. That said, could you explain to me how partial communism might work as opposed to full communism?

Partial communism, which communists just call communism, is basically exactly the same as "full communism". Except that "full communism" is the utopian version where there is complete absence of class and state structure. It's the same as saying that there is no such thing as ultimate totalitarianism, as there cannot possibly be one person in control of everything. There is always a degree of freedom no matter how small.

Ah, alright. Still, I feel the sense of Greed would keep a class system for ever properly being abolished.

I see your point, and I agree. I'm pretty sure most communists would agree too, but that's not the whole point of communist theory. "Well at least it's better than capitalism".

I do see some charm in market socialism and mutualism though, doing some reading on those subjects atm.

Ah, right. Well, I'm no political mind myself. It's just come up quite frequently recently.

you dont understand sarcasm do you?

I do, you don't seem to understand the fragility of that argument though.

im sorry, but there just isnt a sarcastic way of typing is there?

The point is, you shouldnt tattoo someones name on you if they are not family, great friends or have done a huge impact on your life.

No no, what I mean is that I recognized that your comment was sarcastic, but I disagree with the message sent regardless. You're saying that she would be a bad role model by facetiously saying she'd be a great one, but what I'm arguing is that she doesn't have a responsibility to BE a role model in the first place. She isn't assigned that duty, and it isn't her fault if people decide to follow her example.


My point is, you shouldn't say that someone should or shouldn't do something if it isn't imposing on anyone else and it makes them happy. Also, how do you know her boyfriend HASN'T had a huge impact on her life? I'm fairly certain that if great friends are face-tat material, lifemates are too.

Nobody is assigned to be a role model.

And i have read this story before, she met him 24 hours before she got the tattoo. Shes just another stupid girl who does stupid things she will regret in the future.

Then you can't use it as an argument that she's got a duty to uphold in being a good role model.


Are they still together?

i dont know, but i was just being sarcastic pointing out how she would not be a good role model with a tattoo of a guys name she had just met. if she had a little sister that adore her, would you think that tattoo was a good sign to her little sister?

I understand what you were pointing out, and I was pointing out the meaninglessness of what you pointed out. I suppose her little sister might draw a different conclusion from that than what you do.

Want to start a flame war and summon the great red wall of thumbs?

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i ran out of things.

im sure she would be a great role modell.

Role model for who? Is she famous? Because I don't recognize her.

I don't think she has a responsibility to be a role model for anyone.

you dont understand sarcasm do you?

I do, you don't seem to understand the fragility of that argument though.

im sorry, but there just isnt a sarcastic way of typing is there?

The point is, you shouldnt tattoo someones name on you if they are not family, great friends or have done a huge impact on your life.

No no, what I mean is that I recognized that your comment was sarcastic, but I disagree with the message sent regardless. You're saying that she would be a bad role model by facetiously saying she'd be a great one, but what I'm arguing is that she doesn't have a responsibility to BE a role model in the first place. She isn't assigned that duty, and it isn't her fault if people decide to follow her example.


My point is, you shouldn't say that someone should or shouldn't do something if it isn't imposing on anyone else and it makes them happy. Also, how do you know her boyfriend HASN'T had a huge impact on her life? I'm fairly certain that if great friends are face-tat material, lifemates are too.

Nobody is assigned to be a role model.

And i have read this story before, she met him 24 hours before she got the tattoo. Shes just another stupid girl who does stupid things she will regret in the future.

Then you can't use it as an argument that she's got a duty to uphold in being a good role model.


Are they still together?

i dont know, but i was just being sarcastic pointing out how she would not be a good role model with a tattoo of a guys name she had just met. if she had a little sister that adore her, would you think that tattoo was a good sign to her little sister?

I understand what you were pointing out, and I was pointing out the meaninglessness of what you pointed out. I suppose her little sister might draw a different conclusion from that than what you do.

Want to start a flame war and summon the great red wall of thumbs?

ps3 sucks balls, xbox red ring of death for faggots only, stupid cunt expensive pc, graphics is everything gameplay is everything, fifa 2007 is best fifa, CoD MW2 is best fps shooter of all time with most realism. Halo wars best halo. Harry Faggot Potter, Lord of the cocks fellowship of faggots, South korea best korea, gays shouldnt be allowed to adopt, Faggots should be killed off, #420-blaze-faggot, le 9gag army will hack you, gay marriage shouldnt be legal, God doesnt exist, Dinosaurs never existed its a conspiracy iluminati is trying to melt your brain, 9/11 hoax! Westbro baptist church is best church, Nicolas cage is the best actor ever, leonardo dicaprio sucks balls and should never get an oscar, Nickelback is the best band in the world, Amanda todd was a great girl who didnt deserve to die, Shut up meg, lolol i go to 4chan /b/tard i are awesum, niggers.

i ran out of things.

That's ridiculous, all you have to do is look at every single tribe today and how they share their food. Look at the many cultures worldwide whose dinner table consists of meals everyone shares. Even the Western dinner table is a completely shared experience. Everyone eats from the same pots and pans, and the portions are equal.

Isn't that what I said?

You said the complete opposite. I'm arguing that meals are inherently communal, which they are, and you're arguing they're completely selfish.

Also, you're wrong in saying all animals only care about themselves. This hasn't been an idea since the 1800's and is very obviously observable to be the contrary.

That's the exact opposite of what I'm saying though.

I was arguing that in a tribe of people, immediate family shared with immediate family, and even if someone outside of that group was more "deserving" of food, the family communally cared about themselves. Also, when I say tribes I'm talking Neolithic Era. Cave People.

Also, I'm not saying Animals only care about themselves personally, rather, they care about themselves and those they consider part of their family.

Ah, right, I misconstrued that then. But yes I would agree, though it is not an argument against communism.

I wasn't really arguing against Communism. I support the idea; rather, I think the problem with Communism in practice is the essence of greed in mankind. People constantly need new stimulus, it's a survival tactic, and desiring more and more, even when they have enough to be perfectly happy, is an unfortunate side effect of that.

Aye, but as proven by numerous experiments, altruism is the default state, not greed. Communists argue that it is better (not perfect, mind you) to have system which discourages greed and encourages altruism, than a system in the opposite.

Perhaps so, but to eradicate greed entirely would be a herculean task. If there is even a seed of it in the right person it can cause way for problems and corruption. That's where communism reaches a problematic point; the only way to rid greed entirely is complete control and suppression. However, complete control and suppression is no longer altruism, creating more of a problem in the attempt to remove it, not to mention that if successful things go down the route of 1984 and no one is ever capable of free thought.

Communists do not aim to eradicate greed, rather class relations. Even then I think you'd be hard pressed to find a communist who thinks "full communism" is realistic at all.

Right, but for, as you put it, "full communism" to work, you'd need to eradicate greed. That said, could you explain to me how partial communism might work as opposed to full communism?

Partial communism, which communists just call communism, is basically exactly the same as "full communism". Except that "full communism" is the utopian version where there is complete absence of class and state structure. It's the same as saying that there is no such thing as ultimate totalitarianism, as there cannot possibly be one person in control of everything. There is always a degree of freedom no matter how small.

Ah, alright. Still, I feel the sense of Greed would keep a class system for ever properly being abolished.

I see your point, and I agree. I'm pretty sure most communists would agree too, but that's not the whole point of communist theory. "Well at least it's better than capitalism".

I do see some charm in market socialism and mutualism though, doing some reading on those subjects atm.

Ah, right. Well, I'm no political mind myself. It's just come up quite frequently recently.

Her boyfriend is a tattoo artist.
Hence forth the reason she got the tattoo.

I don't know what they make, to be honest.

How much money they make in a year?
I don't think it entirely matters, either way if she doesn't stick with him for the rest of her life, she's fucked.

Well, that just depends on how many men named Rustle there are out there.

im sure it would look great for her resume.

"if her boyfriend is in a high paying position"

im sure she would be a great role modell.

Role model for who? Is she famous? Because I don't recognize her.

I don't think she has a responsibility to be a role model for anyone.

you dont understand sarcasm do you?

I do, you don't seem to understand the fragility of that argument though.

im sorry, but there just isnt a sarcastic way of typing is there?

The point is, you shouldnt tattoo someones name on you if they are not family, great friends or have done a huge impact on your life.

No no, what I mean is that I recognized that your comment was sarcastic, but I disagree with the message sent regardless. You're saying that she would be a bad role model by facetiously saying she'd be a great one, but what I'm arguing is that she doesn't have a responsibility to BE a role model in the first place. She isn't assigned that duty, and it isn't her fault if people decide to follow her example.


My point is, you shouldn't say that someone should or shouldn't do something if it isn't imposing on anyone else and it makes them happy. Also, how do you know her boyfriend HASN'T had a huge impact on her life? I'm fairly certain that if great friends are face-tat material, lifemates are too.

Nobody is assigned to be a role model.

And i have read this story before, she met him 24 hours before she got the tattoo. Shes just another stupid girl who does stupid things she will regret in the future.

Then you can't use it as an argument that she's got a duty to uphold in being a good role model.


Are they still together?

i dont know, but i was just being sarcastic pointing out how she would not be a good role model with a tattoo of a guys name she had just met. if she had a little sister that adore her, would you think that tattoo was a good sign to her little sister?

I understand what you were pointing out, and I was pointing out the meaninglessness of what you pointed out. I suppose her little sister might draw a different conclusion from that than what you do.

Want to start a flame war and summon the great red wall of thumbs?

ps3 sucks balls, xbox red ring of death for faggots only, stupid cunt expensive pc, graphics is everything gameplay is everything, fifa 2007 is best fifa, CoD MW2 is best fps shooter of all time with most realism. Halo wars best halo. Harry Faggot Potter, Lord of the cocks fellowship of faggots, South korea best korea, gays shouldnt be allowed to adopt, Faggots should be killed off, #420-blaze-faggot, le 9gag army will hack you, gay marriage shouldnt be legal, God doesnt exist, Dinosaurs never existed its a conspiracy iluminati is trying to melt your brain, 9/11 hoax! Westbro baptist church is best church, Nicolas cage is the best actor ever, leonardo dicaprio sucks balls and should never get an oscar, Nickelback is the best band in the world, Amanda todd was a great girl who didnt deserve to die, Shut up meg, lolol i go to 4chan /b/tard i are awesum, niggers.

i ran out of things.

"Getting paid to do it properly" - rofl, an educated welder can hardly do such a bad work on purpose ;)

Well, I guess you found one that can.