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#414377 - What does socialism restrict other than the right to private p… [+] (8 replies) 08/28/2015 on Loving- send love letters,... 0

#414378 - dreygur (08/28/2015) [-]

It restricts private property, power money gives you and how much money you're allowed to earn. Obviously it all ties together so that the money is more spread around and isn't owned by ~2% of the population.

#414384 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

Private property is what gave rise to capitalism, destroying it is a must if we want to advance society.

Socialism isn't really yet the time where money (or better yet "wealth") is spread around. Actually, one of it's core ideas is what you make, how much you output, is how much you deserve to get. Capitalism restricts this. Lets say you make $300 dollars worth of shoes in a day and you only get payed $50. What is this other than one of the main features of capitalism? In order to be competitive in a capitalist market, you have to "exploit" your workers so you can help grow the business. You have to pay to make your item valuable aka get it made nice and properly with good machines and then you have to get it out there and sell it, and then you also have to have some left over for yourself so you can live as well. That's just how it works, and it makes sense. Socialism wants to get rid of any exploitation of the worker and let them take as much as they deserve. this is from my ok understanding of socialism and bad understanding of how capital works, but I'm working on that

#414386 - dreygur (08/28/2015) [-]

Not having the employees exploited (paid properly) and making the tax high so that more money goes to public healthcare means that the money is more evenly divided between everybody compared to when the factory owner gets almost everything because his employees can't afford to not work for minimum wage. Where I live, the tax % gets higher the more money you earn, making it pay off better to earn lower and worse to earn more, which is the opposite of Capitalism.

#414389 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

Socialism doesn't mean welfare state, the core idea of socialism is "workers own the means of production", every other idea grouped with it is just different forms of socialist theory. In socialism, there isn't one set wage, or at least in the kind of socialism I like there are many different forms of socialism, this is just the idea of it developing over time . Like I said, how much you make, your output, is how much you get.

#414400 - dreygur (08/28/2015) [-]

Yeah, there are multiple ideas of it, but I'm referring to the one which is actually commonly used and is relevant today.

#414409 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

yeah but it isn't "socialism", people have it all wrong

#414412 - dreygur (08/28/2015) [-]

Yes, ideologies change over time.

#414414 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

well your new bullshit social democracy isn't socialism so

#414376 - spooks, all of it one big spook, you're missing the real probl… 08/28/2015 on Loving- send love letters,... 0

#414374 - And so does the belief that a state is needed to achieve socia… [+] (10 replies) 08/28/2015 on Loving- send love letters,... 0

#414375 - dreygur (08/28/2015) [-]

It depends on what you're aiming for. If you want the people to have full freedom in the market and pay little taxes with the saying "Every person for themselves", you get capitalism. The issue with it is that if your family isn't well off, you're gonna have a very hard time getting somewhere yourself. Socialism restricts very much, perhaps too much, which is why I prefer social-liberalism.

#414377 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

What does socialism restrict other than the right to private property? Other than that, it's supposed to be about democracy.

#414378 - dreygur (08/28/2015) [-]

#414384 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

#414386 - dreygur (08/28/2015) [-]

#414389 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

#414400 - dreygur (08/28/2015) [-]

Yeah, there are multiple ideas of it, but I'm referring to the one which is actually commonly used and is relevant today.

#414409 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

yeah but it isn't "socialism", people have it all wrong

#414412 - dreygur (08/28/2015) [-]

Yes, ideologies change over time.

#414414 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

well your new bullshit social democracy isn't socialism so

#414357 - Says a person who probably doesn't understand both. … [+] (14 replies) 08/28/2015 on Loving- send love letters,... -1

#414380 - anon (08/28/2015) [-]

>Says a person who probably doesn't understand both.

>Capitalism has it's flaws, but It's definitely better than the barter system or whatever was largely used before it.

#414381 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

nice argument man

#414368 - dreygur (08/28/2015) [-]

Capitalism has pretty huge flaws, in fact.

#414374 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

And so does the belief that a state is needed to achieve socialism.

Something as broad as the theory of capital or the theory of socialism isn't really saying much, there's lot of ideas about how each should be implemented and that of course affects how each system works.

#414375 - dreygur (08/28/2015) [-]

#414377 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

What does socialism restrict other than the right to private property? Other than that, it's supposed to be about democracy.

#414378 - dreygur (08/28/2015) [-]

#414384 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

#414386 - dreygur (08/28/2015) [-]

#414389 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

#414400 - dreygur (08/28/2015) [-]

Yeah, there are multiple ideas of it, but I'm referring to the one which is actually commonly used and is relevant today.

#414409 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

yeah but it isn't "socialism", people have it all wrong

#414412 - dreygur (08/28/2015) [-]

Yes, ideologies change over time.

#414414 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

well your new bullshit social democracy isn't socialism so

#414345 - ☭What are you talking about, you fascist ****☭ [+] (2 replies) 08/28/2015 on Loving- send love letters,... 0

#414366 - anon (08/28/2015) [-]

I am not fascist.
I am actually one the libertarian side of things.
But I also think a moderate amount of nationalism is a good thing.

#414376 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

spooks, all of it one big spook, you're missing the real problem

and don't ya know? anyone who isn't a die hard marxist-leninist is a fascist and that is 100% true

also i used to think i was libertarian because i valued freedom, but now those days where i think absolute freedom is a must, those days i'm an anarchist, libertarianism isn't enough

#414339 - ☭I mean, I'm just saying☭ [+] (4 replies) 08/28/2015 on Loving- send love letters,... 0

#414342 - anon (08/28/2015) [-]

Come to think of it. Marxists are worst.
Atleast the empires preserved their own culture, while the marxists try to fucking ruin everything they touch.

#414345 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

☭What are you talking about, you fascist fuck☭

#414366 - anon (08/28/2015) [-]

I am not fascist.
I am actually one the libertarian side of things.
But I also think a moderate amount of nationalism is a good thing.

#414376 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

#414336 - ☭It's not like there's no solution☭ [+] (6 replies) 08/28/2015 on Loving- send love letters,... 0

#414337 - anon (08/28/2015) [-]

Fuck you Shibe, you fucking commie faggot, the communists are just as bad.

#414339 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

☭I mean, I'm just saying☭

#414342 - anon (08/28/2015) [-]

Come to think of it. Marxists are worst.
Atleast the empires preserved their own culture, while the marxists try to fucking ruin everything they touch.

#414345 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

☭What are you talking about, you fascist fuck☭

#414366 - anon (08/28/2015) [-]

I am not fascist.
I am actually one the libertarian side of things.
But I also think a moderate amount of nationalism is a good thing.

#414376 - shibe (08/28/2015) [-]

#414186 - well that's just ****** like what the **** does your stepmothe… [+] (3 replies) 08/28/2015 on Loving- send love letters,... +1

#414188 - anon (08/28/2015) [-]

I think she's just tired of me living with her and my dad. She used to treat my brother this way too but he's in college and living out of the house. I still have a few years to go and she's already sick of me.

#414391 - anon (08/28/2015) [-]

I'll never understand why some parents do that. Why marry someone who hates your kids? And why marry someone who has kids that you hate? That's so stupid

#414192 - Elk (08/28/2015) [-]

**Elk used "*roll picture*"**
**Elk rolled image** Good luck, dude. If you ever need someone to talk to, hit me up. Sometimes, you just need to boohoo, brother. We've all been there.

#414043 - Probably because most people here went to a public school. Whe… [+] (3 replies) 08/27/2015 on Loving- send love letters,... 0

#414533 - tennessee (08/29/2015) [-]

You're the only ten I see.

#414534 - shibe (08/29/2015) [-]

#414044 - Elk (08/27/2015) [-]

All public schools are trash.

No, you've already made me mad. Being liberal in this time is drop dead retarded. They are so bad economically, and we're on no position for it AT THIS TIME. I say that because I believe it will be good one day, but we're not there yet.

Gulf Shores is pretty nice. Mobile was like one big trailer park to me.

#414038 - I lived in mobile for a few years, I just remember the public … [+] (5 replies) 08/27/2015 on Loving- send love letters,... 0

#414040 - Elk (08/27/2015) [-]

Firstly, if I recall, you all bitched at me because I spoke out against public schools.

Secondly, why act as though conservatism Is a bad thing?

Thirdly, Mobile sucks.

#414043 - shibe (08/27/2015) [-]

Probably because most people here went to a public school. When I was in mobile I had to go to a private school just for the hope of any education and it was really fucking nice but ya know I had to move to Tennessee.

probably because im a damn commie, but lets not talk politics because we'll just get mad at each other

yea it did, but I went throughout Alabama when I was there, I don't remember much places being so much better

#414533 - tennessee (08/29/2015) [-]

You're the only ten I see.

#414534 - shibe (08/29/2015) [-]

#414044 - Elk (08/27/2015) [-]

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