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#38 - I know what the show says I don't understand how you keep …  [+] (5 replies) 11/14/2016 on Grandpa Piccolo 0
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#39 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
Because you're shifting between both the movie AND the series- Which are both Incredibly different in their own ways...

In the show, Yes, It says Vegeta "Did it on his own" But in the movie, it never states that at all. In the show this is a "Plot hole".

Yeah i'll suck on your cherry picked Screenshot that i had to go back and find the source to myself and notice it wasn't even from the Movie- which is closer to the manga.

i'd prefer if you were at least Concise with things i thought you were looking at this OVERALL and not just from the series standpoint since..you know the movies and the series are completely different. Its really fucking confusing dude. But yeah well done you actually managed to find ONE thing that proved ONE thing. Meanwhile you just pulled the rest out of your ass. Vegeta may have gotten it "on his own" but i still think he would have gotten it through Training with Goku, Seeing how it was done and such. This training never happened to Trunks, He simply got a "Fake" SSJblue out of rage.

Now MAYBE he can't GET ssjblue? MAYBE since hes a halfling, This is just what his "SSJblue" looks like. Since a pure blooded SSJ would have blue hair and aura, a Halfling would have a "Half" blue aura.
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#40 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
I've only been talking about the show's canon
I don't know what was up with Trunks or his aura, but the point is that him absorbing a spirit bomb, while maybe coincidental, does not make any of the movies canon
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#41 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
It makes a plot device in the movie Canon is what i am talking about. A rather Stupid plot device.

It's like them taking the Big ghetti star and suddenly making it canon to bring Frieza back yet again. While Koola wouldn't be canon- the plot device Would be.
#42 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
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so then you're literally just salty because you don't like that attack

#43 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
yeah sure ok. later dude. THanks for proving One thing among your wrong statements at least.

Maybe you should go back and watch Dragonball Z for a change.
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#37 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
I really don't care what he points out...it SAYS theres only one way, In the manga, in the movie, in the Series. There is NO other way to be a Saiyan god other than channeling ki from 5 into 1. I don't care how hard Vegeta trains.

it told you TWICE dude...You just don't want to admit it or go back to watching it. But here, I'll save you time: www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6MzKxe-bYI LITERALLY tells you. LITERALLY dude... If you're gonna flatout ignore this lore, i'm gonna assume you're a troll mate.

Do you really just not read what anyone says dude?...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAi_oG70L2I Goku using the Kaioken against Nappa to increase his speed and catch up. If you go to the dragonball wiki it explains it, Like i quoted before.

"Oh... it's the Kaio-ken attack. It's like a massive upsurge of energy. Everything is heightened: power, speed, even hearing and vision improve dramatically. You sort of become a super-self. But it can only be sustained for a short time, so you have to get the job done quickly."
— Goku in "Lesson Number One"


Go watch it.

It made it clear but it could be just a miss interpretation man, or a subbing error. If you want to see my theory in practice, jump into your car, drive down a freeway at 110mp/h, And look out your window to the people walking nearby- They appear to be moving SLOWER or even Stopping completely. This is basic Kinematics dude. Whether or not its "Explained" is irrelevant because goku just "Suddenly moving within stopped time" Was a plot device, lets just admit that, but the only way for it to make SENSE is that Hit only BELIEVED he was stopping time, which is why he was shocked when he seen goku Moving- or even countering him. its easy for someone to believe they can stop time if no one was ever fast enough to counter them. I mean look at Frieza's Death beam. During the namekian arc, Fourth form frieza's Death beam was simply too fast for anyone to see- Save vegeta & goku. Goku's Kaioken,and Vegeta getting stronger i guess. Probably another plot device, iunno.

Its just an effect they're using to illustrate Hits power..I really doubt what is show is LITERALLY visible to everyone. Since..you know, he never mentions it?...That'd be like the Jojo's referencing the "menacing"... Do you want MORE evidence time has stopped- During Hits assault Goku's face changes MANY times- Which means he can feel pain while time has "Stopped"??? So he can FEEL damage before his pain has had time to process it? No course not. THAT makes no sense... And before you say "oh you're misremembering it" i am watching it right now.

Hit even mentions "And while enduring those attacks, you'll try to get used to my movements which are 0.2 seconds faster." So how can goku get USED to time stopping? You are welcome to watch the link at around 10min and see my point proven.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0rweREI5XQ

The wiki is basing itself OFF the Show dude? seriously are you trolling or something?....
#38 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
I know what the show says
I don't understand how you keep finding the evidence I'm pointing to and coming to the wrong conclusion
the show says that's the only way, flat out, no other way to become a saiyan god
then it says that even though it's impossible and there was no other way, fucking somehow Vegeta became a god without the ritual

suck on this screenshot, you wrong fucker
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#39 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
Because you're shifting between both the movie AND the series- Which are both Incredibly different in their own ways...

In the show, Yes, It says Vegeta "Did it on his own" But in the movie, it never states that at all. In the show this is a "Plot hole".

Yeah i'll suck on your cherry picked Screenshot that i had to go back and find the source to myself and notice it wasn't even from the Movie- which is closer to the manga.

i'd prefer if you were at least Concise with things i thought you were looking at this OVERALL and not just from the series standpoint since..you know the movies and the series are completely different. Its really fucking confusing dude. But yeah well done you actually managed to find ONE thing that proved ONE thing. Meanwhile you just pulled the rest out of your ass. Vegeta may have gotten it "on his own" but i still think he would have gotten it through Training with Goku, Seeing how it was done and such. This training never happened to Trunks, He simply got a "Fake" SSJblue out of rage.

Now MAYBE he can't GET ssjblue? MAYBE since hes a halfling, This is just what his "SSJblue" looks like. Since a pure blooded SSJ would have blue hair and aura, a Halfling would have a "Half" blue aura.
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#40 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
I've only been talking about the show's canon
I don't know what was up with Trunks or his aura, but the point is that him absorbing a spirit bomb, while maybe coincidental, does not make any of the movies canon
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#41 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
It makes a plot device in the movie Canon is what i am talking about. A rather Stupid plot device.

It's like them taking the Big ghetti star and suddenly making it canon to bring Frieza back yet again. While Koola wouldn't be canon- the plot device Would be.
#42 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
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so then you're literally just salty because you don't like that attack

#43 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
yeah sure ok. later dude. THanks for proving One thing among your wrong statements at least.

Maybe you should go back and watch Dragonball Z for a change.
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#36 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
*did not perform
#33 - this guy makes my point really well vegeta did it on…  [+] (10 replies) 11/14/2016 on Grandpa Piccolo 0
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#34 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
but...thats a theory dude? its not canon? So why are you even showing me it. Even in the Wiki for "how to be a saiyan god" it states

"The ritual is needed in order to achieve the Super Saiyan God transformation. It requires five righteous Saiyans to perform and a sixth Saiyan to channel the ritual and ki into."

So there's no backdoors...that is the ONLY way and i have to call bullshit on Vegeta "Just learning it on his own" since if that were possible why did it take goku doing it? "Beerus then claims he is too worn out from his fight with Goku to destroy the Earth, and he later states that Goku and Vegeta (who says will also become a Super Saiyan God next time) may become truly formidable one day." There is NO other way to being a saiyan god. Unless toriyama retcons this in the future, Currently, There IS no backdoor for it, I don't care how cool vegeta is. :/

While it states he stopped time for 0.1 seconds, it doesn't make sense for goku to do it as well, Hes not Guldo. So my only speculation is the Theory of SPEED. Which if you know anything about speed the faster an object GETS the slower everything around it seems. So Hit was simply moving at a speed SO fast, The world around him may as well have stood still. Otherwise by your interpretation, that means Goku leeched the ability to stop time..which makes no sense...

Hit never stated that? He states he has a "Growth" Ability,
"Growth - In the anime, it is shown that when faced with a foe that he cannot overcome, Hit's abilities improve during battle (much like a Saiyan)." And considering how his "Growth" Allows him to dramatically improve himself to his opponent, that means his "Zenkai" has to be HUNDREDS of times better than a saiyans, since a Saiyan gets stronger AFTER battle, hit mimics and gets stronger DURING battle.

As i said earlier, it makes no sense for goku to be able to move "Through time" if it has been stopped..Kaioken doesn't give him the ability to manipulate time, only speed..Which further proves my point about Hit simply moving at an incredible speed for a few tenths of a second.

A lot of the stuff i say is directly from the wiki mate, You havn't shown me anything but theories and shit. So you can fuck right off on that if you're taking THE WORD OF A FAN over WHAT THE SHOW DIRECTLY SAID. Ok? Ok.
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#35 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
I showed you that because he points out the parts in the show that clearly say vegeta did it on his own
it's not his opinion, the show just never fucking told us exactly how vegeta did it. just like it never explained how he went super saiyan in the first place, ascended past that, or even how he fucking skipped normal god mode and jumped straight to super saiyan blue
the only thing we know for sure is that vegeta did now perform the ritual according to what the characters have told us

kaioken does not allow goku to "manipulate speed" it multiplies his power as a whole
what I was saying is that goku moving through stopped time was never explained
the show definitely made it clear that Hit is indeed stopping time, you can't make up another explanation for his ability because it doesn't make sense to you
goku just powered up so much that time was irrelevant to him or something, it's not clear at all
it makes even less sense when Hit powers up his time leap even further and like double freezes time, where time freezes and then extra freezes all around goku like a shell
did he just stop time harder than before? is there any way that makes any sense?
fucking no
you're going by what the wiki says the show said instead of what the show actually says
#37 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
I really don't care what he points out...it SAYS theres only one way, In the manga, in the movie, in the Series. There is NO other way to be a Saiyan god other than channeling ki from 5 into 1. I don't care how hard Vegeta trains.

it told you TWICE dude...You just don't want to admit it or go back to watching it. But here, I'll save you time: www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6MzKxe-bYI LITERALLY tells you. LITERALLY dude... If you're gonna flatout ignore this lore, i'm gonna assume you're a troll mate.

Do you really just not read what anyone says dude?...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAi_oG70L2I Goku using the Kaioken against Nappa to increase his speed and catch up. If you go to the dragonball wiki it explains it, Like i quoted before.

"Oh... it's the Kaio-ken attack. It's like a massive upsurge of energy. Everything is heightened: power, speed, even hearing and vision improve dramatically. You sort of become a super-self. But it can only be sustained for a short time, so you have to get the job done quickly."
— Goku in "Lesson Number One"


Go watch it.

It made it clear but it could be just a miss interpretation man, or a subbing error. If you want to see my theory in practice, jump into your car, drive down a freeway at 110mp/h, And look out your window to the people walking nearby- They appear to be moving SLOWER or even Stopping completely. This is basic Kinematics dude. Whether or not its "Explained" is irrelevant because goku just "Suddenly moving within stopped time" Was a plot device, lets just admit that, but the only way for it to make SENSE is that Hit only BELIEVED he was stopping time, which is why he was shocked when he seen goku Moving- or even countering him. its easy for someone to believe they can stop time if no one was ever fast enough to counter them. I mean look at Frieza's Death beam. During the namekian arc, Fourth form frieza's Death beam was simply too fast for anyone to see- Save vegeta & goku. Goku's Kaioken,and Vegeta getting stronger i guess. Probably another plot device, iunno.

Its just an effect they're using to illustrate Hits power..I really doubt what is show is LITERALLY visible to everyone. Since..you know, he never mentions it?...That'd be like the Jojo's referencing the "menacing"... Do you want MORE evidence time has stopped- During Hits assault Goku's face changes MANY times- Which means he can feel pain while time has "Stopped"??? So he can FEEL damage before his pain has had time to process it? No course not. THAT makes no sense... And before you say "oh you're misremembering it" i am watching it right now.

Hit even mentions "And while enduring those attacks, you'll try to get used to my movements which are 0.2 seconds faster." So how can goku get USED to time stopping? You are welcome to watch the link at around 10min and see my point proven.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0rweREI5XQ

The wiki is basing itself OFF the Show dude? seriously are you trolling or something?....
#38 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
I know what the show says
I don't understand how you keep finding the evidence I'm pointing to and coming to the wrong conclusion
the show says that's the only way, flat out, no other way to become a saiyan god
then it says that even though it's impossible and there was no other way, fucking somehow Vegeta became a god without the ritual

suck on this screenshot, you wrong fucker
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#39 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
Because you're shifting between both the movie AND the series- Which are both Incredibly different in their own ways...

In the show, Yes, It says Vegeta "Did it on his own" But in the movie, it never states that at all. In the show this is a "Plot hole".

Yeah i'll suck on your cherry picked Screenshot that i had to go back and find the source to myself and notice it wasn't even from the Movie- which is closer to the manga.

i'd prefer if you were at least Concise with things i thought you were looking at this OVERALL and not just from the series standpoint since..you know the movies and the series are completely different. Its really fucking confusing dude. But yeah well done you actually managed to find ONE thing that proved ONE thing. Meanwhile you just pulled the rest out of your ass. Vegeta may have gotten it "on his own" but i still think he would have gotten it through Training with Goku, Seeing how it was done and such. This training never happened to Trunks, He simply got a "Fake" SSJblue out of rage.

Now MAYBE he can't GET ssjblue? MAYBE since hes a halfling, This is just what his "SSJblue" looks like. Since a pure blooded SSJ would have blue hair and aura, a Halfling would have a "Half" blue aura.
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#40 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
I've only been talking about the show's canon
I don't know what was up with Trunks or his aura, but the point is that him absorbing a spirit bomb, while maybe coincidental, does not make any of the movies canon
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#41 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
It makes a plot device in the movie Canon is what i am talking about. A rather Stupid plot device.

It's like them taking the Big ghetti star and suddenly making it canon to bring Frieza back yet again. While Koola wouldn't be canon- the plot device Would be.
#42 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
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so then you're literally just salty because you don't like that attack

#43 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
yeah sure ok. later dude. THanks for proving One thing among your wrong statements at least.

Maybe you should go back and watch Dragonball Z for a change.
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#36 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
*did not perform
#66 - there's currently a warrant out for his arrest from Russia bec…  [+] (8 replies) 11/14/2016 on PPV event. 0
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#67 - fuckingtrolls (11/14/2016) [-]
Yeah I seent that post but I mean how does a single person fuck up a whole country's economy is my question. This is what I'm trying to figure out what events caused the fall of russia's economy and how did he influence them?
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#69 - brolylssj (11/14/2016) [-]
From what I understand it's something he's done often. He has a fuck-ton of money. As do a lot of his "friends"/cabal. Don't remember how they'd do it exactly, but with the numbers they have, it's not hard. Something to do with investing a ton of money in q country overtime then pulling it all out at once to drop the value of everything, if I remember correctly.
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#70 - fuckingtrolls (11/14/2016) [-]
Oh I see that now. It's kinda like the great depression when people started freaking out and pulled all their stocks out and fucked things up even further but instead they do it intentionally. Has it been proved that he did this or is this speculation?
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#73 - brolylssj (11/14/2016) [-]
Companies owned and affiliated with him and his allies have done that and similar things before to smaller countries, but none that I remember off the top of my head.
As for proof, his name is connected to all of them, but it's like with the protests in the election. Through a group that he funds, but not neccesarily himself.
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#74 - fuckingtrolls (11/14/2016) [-]
That's way different from his Wikipedia page
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#78 - runel (11/14/2016) [-]
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**runel rolled image** It's almost like his interests don't want people figuring out what stuff he is involved with.
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#80 - fuckingtrolls (11/14/2016) [-]
I know that's what I was implying
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#9 - saimaster (11/14/2016) [-]
Source? This is sad news friend.
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#8 - regularorange (11/14/2016) [-]
Maybe theyre not peoples favorite parts, but its a shame
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#12 - closotezuka (11/15/2016) [-]
PART 5 WAS THE BEST PART THOUGH

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
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#6 - ijustwannaplay (11/14/2016) [-]
do you remember where you heard that? it would suck to miss out on king crimson and stone ocean but SBR is the bees knees so i cant really complain too much.
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#31 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
He never turned it down, wanna know how? its physically impossible to get God ki on your own, since Whis directly states "it takes 5 to make 1 saiyan god" That means vegeta would have had to do the same thing that goku did. Theres LITERALLY no other way unless they're going against the canon they already implemented.

he never said that, you're pulling that out of your ass.

The Show does say it, but i just find Abridged's explanation to be more detailed than the one goku actually made. But since you wanna be a tight ass about it: youtu.be/sjdrgg_JMe0?t=118 Unless you wanna say Funimation isn't canon now? In which i'll say there's no pleasing you.

Goku didn't stop time, Kaioken increases base power, strength, speed and senses greatly but only for an instant (Which in DBZ/s is a long ass time, lets admit) So goku wasn't stopping time. Nor was Hit. Hit wasn't stopping time, he was moving at..i think it was stated to be moving at a speed of 0.1 seconds? Been awhile since i seen the Hit area. But Goku was simply using Blue Kaioken to match That speed since Hit's Zenkai ability is arguably better than a saiyans. At least from what was shown. But in terms of "his body has a limit" Kaioken puts a HUGE strain on the body, After using it against vegeta for the first time Goku was put in the hospital, and after using it against Hit he was hurting all over till plot device i guess. Wanna know what using your ki too wildly is called in DBS? "Delayed Onset Ki disorder". Which you can look up.

Not really..it all depends on the user. Goku and Vegeta are RARELY shown using Ki manipulation to fight, maybe because they consider it cheating, iunno. Vegeta used Destructo disk on Gohans tail, Gotenks and his Kamikaze attack, Vegito and his Spirit sword, and now trunks. To take your energy and make it solid like that takes training- but if Trunks could have done it from the start, why didn't he? Especially if it ENHANCED his sword attacks?

These arn't my own rules, this is Toriyama's rules, A guy who forgot who the fuck Vegito was. You have so far either mis-interpreted something, or just flatout made something up thats never happened.
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#33 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
imgmr.com/anime-comics-features/how-can-vegeta-become-super-saiyan-god-super-saiyan/
this guy makes my point really well
vegeta did it on his own

>moving at a speed of 0.1 seconds
0.1 seconds per...?
see how that doesn't make sense?
Hit's ability was "time skip" which let him stop time for 0.1 seconds
he then literally says that he has no zenkai ability or power-ups, he only improves with training. he's just training really hard against goku and getting great results
after all that fighting, he says he can stop time for 0.5 seconds, then says that the length is still increasing during the fight
goku doesn't stop time, I didn't say that
The one who stopped time was Hit, and Goku could still see and move in stopped time after using his Kaioken
I'm not seeing any inconsistencies from past works that are actually canon
a lot of your argument seems to stem from your own bad memory screwing up facts
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#34 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
but...thats a theory dude? its not canon? So why are you even showing me it. Even in the Wiki for "how to be a saiyan god" it states

"The ritual is needed in order to achieve the Super Saiyan God transformation. It requires five righteous Saiyans to perform and a sixth Saiyan to channel the ritual and ki into."

So there's no backdoors...that is the ONLY way and i have to call bullshit on Vegeta "Just learning it on his own" since if that were possible why did it take goku doing it? "Beerus then claims he is too worn out from his fight with Goku to destroy the Earth, and he later states that Goku and Vegeta (who says will also become a Super Saiyan God next time) may become truly formidable one day." There is NO other way to being a saiyan god. Unless toriyama retcons this in the future, Currently, There IS no backdoor for it, I don't care how cool vegeta is. :/

While it states he stopped time for 0.1 seconds, it doesn't make sense for goku to do it as well, Hes not Guldo. So my only speculation is the Theory of SPEED. Which if you know anything about speed the faster an object GETS the slower everything around it seems. So Hit was simply moving at a speed SO fast, The world around him may as well have stood still. Otherwise by your interpretation, that means Goku leeched the ability to stop time..which makes no sense...

Hit never stated that? He states he has a "Growth" Ability,
"Growth - In the anime, it is shown that when faced with a foe that he cannot overcome, Hit's abilities improve during battle (much like a Saiyan)." And considering how his "Growth" Allows him to dramatically improve himself to his opponent, that means his "Zenkai" has to be HUNDREDS of times better than a saiyans, since a Saiyan gets stronger AFTER battle, hit mimics and gets stronger DURING battle.

As i said earlier, it makes no sense for goku to be able to move "Through time" if it has been stopped..Kaioken doesn't give him the ability to manipulate time, only speed..Which further proves my point about Hit simply moving at an incredible speed for a few tenths of a second.

A lot of the stuff i say is directly from the wiki mate, You havn't shown me anything but theories and shit. So you can fuck right off on that if you're taking THE WORD OF A FAN over WHAT THE SHOW DIRECTLY SAID. Ok? Ok.
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#35 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
I showed you that because he points out the parts in the show that clearly say vegeta did it on his own
it's not his opinion, the show just never fucking told us exactly how vegeta did it. just like it never explained how he went super saiyan in the first place, ascended past that, or even how he fucking skipped normal god mode and jumped straight to super saiyan blue
the only thing we know for sure is that vegeta did now perform the ritual according to what the characters have told us

kaioken does not allow goku to "manipulate speed" it multiplies his power as a whole
what I was saying is that goku moving through stopped time was never explained
the show definitely made it clear that Hit is indeed stopping time, you can't make up another explanation for his ability because it doesn't make sense to you
goku just powered up so much that time was irrelevant to him or something, it's not clear at all
it makes even less sense when Hit powers up his time leap even further and like double freezes time, where time freezes and then extra freezes all around goku like a shell
did he just stop time harder than before? is there any way that makes any sense?
fucking no
you're going by what the wiki says the show said instead of what the show actually says
#37 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
I really don't care what he points out...it SAYS theres only one way, In the manga, in the movie, in the Series. There is NO other way to be a Saiyan god other than channeling ki from 5 into 1. I don't care how hard Vegeta trains.

it told you TWICE dude...You just don't want to admit it or go back to watching it. But here, I'll save you time: www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6MzKxe-bYI LITERALLY tells you. LITERALLY dude... If you're gonna flatout ignore this lore, i'm gonna assume you're a troll mate.

Do you really just not read what anyone says dude?...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAi_oG70L2I Goku using the Kaioken against Nappa to increase his speed and catch up. If you go to the dragonball wiki it explains it, Like i quoted before.

"Oh... it's the Kaio-ken attack. It's like a massive upsurge of energy. Everything is heightened: power, speed, even hearing and vision improve dramatically. You sort of become a super-self. But it can only be sustained for a short time, so you have to get the job done quickly."
— Goku in "Lesson Number One"


Go watch it.

It made it clear but it could be just a miss interpretation man, or a subbing error. If you want to see my theory in practice, jump into your car, drive down a freeway at 110mp/h, And look out your window to the people walking nearby- They appear to be moving SLOWER or even Stopping completely. This is basic Kinematics dude. Whether or not its "Explained" is irrelevant because goku just "Suddenly moving within stopped time" Was a plot device, lets just admit that, but the only way for it to make SENSE is that Hit only BELIEVED he was stopping time, which is why he was shocked when he seen goku Moving- or even countering him. its easy for someone to believe they can stop time if no one was ever fast enough to counter them. I mean look at Frieza's Death beam. During the namekian arc, Fourth form frieza's Death beam was simply too fast for anyone to see- Save vegeta & goku. Goku's Kaioken,and Vegeta getting stronger i guess. Probably another plot device, iunno.

Its just an effect they're using to illustrate Hits power..I really doubt what is show is LITERALLY visible to everyone. Since..you know, he never mentions it?...That'd be like the Jojo's referencing the "menacing"... Do you want MORE evidence time has stopped- During Hits assault Goku's face changes MANY times- Which means he can feel pain while time has "Stopped"??? So he can FEEL damage before his pain has had time to process it? No course not. THAT makes no sense... And before you say "oh you're misremembering it" i am watching it right now.

Hit even mentions "And while enduring those attacks, you'll try to get used to my movements which are 0.2 seconds faster." So how can goku get USED to time stopping? You are welcome to watch the link at around 10min and see my point proven.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0rweREI5XQ

The wiki is basing itself OFF the Show dude? seriously are you trolling or something?....
#38 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
I know what the show says
I don't understand how you keep finding the evidence I'm pointing to and coming to the wrong conclusion
the show says that's the only way, flat out, no other way to become a saiyan god
then it says that even though it's impossible and there was no other way, fucking somehow Vegeta became a god without the ritual

suck on this screenshot, you wrong fucker
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#39 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
Because you're shifting between both the movie AND the series- Which are both Incredibly different in their own ways...

In the show, Yes, It says Vegeta "Did it on his own" But in the movie, it never states that at all. In the show this is a "Plot hole".

Yeah i'll suck on your cherry picked Screenshot that i had to go back and find the source to myself and notice it wasn't even from the Movie- which is closer to the manga.

i'd prefer if you were at least Concise with things i thought you were looking at this OVERALL and not just from the series standpoint since..you know the movies and the series are completely different. Its really fucking confusing dude. But yeah well done you actually managed to find ONE thing that proved ONE thing. Meanwhile you just pulled the rest out of your ass. Vegeta may have gotten it "on his own" but i still think he would have gotten it through Training with Goku, Seeing how it was done and such. This training never happened to Trunks, He simply got a "Fake" SSJblue out of rage.

Now MAYBE he can't GET ssjblue? MAYBE since hes a halfling, This is just what his "SSJblue" looks like. Since a pure blooded SSJ would have blue hair and aura, a Halfling would have a "Half" blue aura.
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#40 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
I've only been talking about the show's canon
I don't know what was up with Trunks or his aura, but the point is that him absorbing a spirit bomb, while maybe coincidental, does not make any of the movies canon
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#41 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
It makes a plot device in the movie Canon is what i am talking about. A rather Stupid plot device.

It's like them taking the Big ghetti star and suddenly making it canon to bring Frieza back yet again. While Koola wouldn't be canon- the plot device Would be.
#42 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
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so then you're literally just salty because you don't like that attack

#43 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
yeah sure ok. later dude. THanks for proving One thing among your wrong statements at least.

Maybe you should go back and watch Dragonball Z for a change.
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#36 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
*did not perform
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#32 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
6* Not 5.
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#29 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
>>#28, >>#28, >>#28, >>#27,
>forgetting vegeta became a god "with his own power"
no..vegeta had "His turn" with Saiyan god, this is stated in the movie / series dude. Vegeta to Goku "After you've done it its my turn!"

>implying broly is canon
He isn't but he was the best character to reference such a thing but alright we'll play it your way, To put it in goku Abridged's words "In raw power, it can't be beat. But the amount of concentrated energy causes an extreme expansion in mass, the body can't compensate and while you'll see a 50% power increase, you'll see a 75% decrease in speed and mobility." So Powering up BEYOND your limit = Your body starts to swell up. You can see this with Perfect cell when he gets enraged- Or when he self destructs, he builds up his power to a point where he'd blow up at a touch. This also is apparent when Majin Vegeta does it to try and beat Buu, he goes far beyond his limits to unleash all his power, and what is left is a withered up husk.

I never explained Broly rampaging, i just used a direct quote from his own words. "My power is building, Overflowing" And then he'd need to discharge energy to keep himself from popping like a zit. Go to MasekoX's channel about broly to see a more indepth talk about that.

Now, >#28
you take what Zamasu took too literally to use for your own Argument, Zamasu is referring to a Saiyans potential to GROW unlimitedly, AKA, Zenkai. They get stronger and stronger after each battle. That is why Zamasu kept harming himself, to give his body more power. With an Immortal body, he was practically just abusing his Zenkai at that stage.

No the Point of DB/Z/S is that there's always room to grow, or to surpass your original limit for something greater. Goku's limit was Kaioken x20 against Frieza, his rage made him snap and he surpassed what he was. But then SSJ has its own limit which Gohan then surpassed, And so on and so forth (The only one that seems to have a stacked limit is SSJ3 oddly enough since it has 8x the drain of ssj2 and is pretty much useless outside of otherworld.)
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#30 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
goku planned to give vegeta a turn, but vegeta clearly turns it down to train on his own. he trains with whis and gains the god form without other saiyan's help
goku clearly says that vegeta did it with no one else's help
broly and abridged aren't canon, I don't care how they explained it, if the show hasn't said it, you can't assume
I deleted that comment because of the retarded roll, but also because I realized how much I was assuming and that I wasn't making a good enough point
you can't assume anything with this show
--it doesn't make sense how goku was moving in stopped time after powering up
--it seems like you need unimaginable power to generate energy blades, except fucking anyone can make a destructo disk, which is definitely an energy blade

when you try and build your own rules and restrictions around someone else's creative work, you only create inconsistencies for yourself when the creator does something you didn't expect
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#31 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
He never turned it down, wanna know how? its physically impossible to get God ki on your own, since Whis directly states "it takes 5 to make 1 saiyan god" That means vegeta would have had to do the same thing that goku did. Theres LITERALLY no other way unless they're going against the canon they already implemented.

he never said that, you're pulling that out of your ass.

The Show does say it, but i just find Abridged's explanation to be more detailed than the one goku actually made. But since you wanna be a tight ass about it: youtu.be/sjdrgg_JMe0?t=118 Unless you wanna say Funimation isn't canon now? In which i'll say there's no pleasing you.

Goku didn't stop time, Kaioken increases base power, strength, speed and senses greatly but only for an instant (Which in DBZ/s is a long ass time, lets admit) So goku wasn't stopping time. Nor was Hit. Hit wasn't stopping time, he was moving at..i think it was stated to be moving at a speed of 0.1 seconds? Been awhile since i seen the Hit area. But Goku was simply using Blue Kaioken to match That speed since Hit's Zenkai ability is arguably better than a saiyans. At least from what was shown. But in terms of "his body has a limit" Kaioken puts a HUGE strain on the body, After using it against vegeta for the first time Goku was put in the hospital, and after using it against Hit he was hurting all over till plot device i guess. Wanna know what using your ki too wildly is called in DBS? "Delayed Onset Ki disorder". Which you can look up.

Not really..it all depends on the user. Goku and Vegeta are RARELY shown using Ki manipulation to fight, maybe because they consider it cheating, iunno. Vegeta used Destructo disk on Gohans tail, Gotenks and his Kamikaze attack, Vegito and his Spirit sword, and now trunks. To take your energy and make it solid like that takes training- but if Trunks could have done it from the start, why didn't he? Especially if it ENHANCED his sword attacks?

These arn't my own rules, this is Toriyama's rules, A guy who forgot who the fuck Vegito was. You have so far either mis-interpreted something, or just flatout made something up thats never happened.
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#33 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
imgmr.com/anime-comics-features/how-can-vegeta-become-super-saiyan-god-super-saiyan/
this guy makes my point really well
vegeta did it on his own

>moving at a speed of 0.1 seconds
0.1 seconds per...?
see how that doesn't make sense?
Hit's ability was "time skip" which let him stop time for 0.1 seconds
he then literally says that he has no zenkai ability or power-ups, he only improves with training. he's just training really hard against goku and getting great results
after all that fighting, he says he can stop time for 0.5 seconds, then says that the length is still increasing during the fight
goku doesn't stop time, I didn't say that
The one who stopped time was Hit, and Goku could still see and move in stopped time after using his Kaioken
I'm not seeing any inconsistencies from past works that are actually canon
a lot of your argument seems to stem from your own bad memory screwing up facts
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#34 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
but...thats a theory dude? its not canon? So why are you even showing me it. Even in the Wiki for "how to be a saiyan god" it states

"The ritual is needed in order to achieve the Super Saiyan God transformation. It requires five righteous Saiyans to perform and a sixth Saiyan to channel the ritual and ki into."

So there's no backdoors...that is the ONLY way and i have to call bullshit on Vegeta "Just learning it on his own" since if that were possible why did it take goku doing it? "Beerus then claims he is too worn out from his fight with Goku to destroy the Earth, and he later states that Goku and Vegeta (who says will also become a Super Saiyan God next time) may become truly formidable one day." There is NO other way to being a saiyan god. Unless toriyama retcons this in the future, Currently, There IS no backdoor for it, I don't care how cool vegeta is. :/

While it states he stopped time for 0.1 seconds, it doesn't make sense for goku to do it as well, Hes not Guldo. So my only speculation is the Theory of SPEED. Which if you know anything about speed the faster an object GETS the slower everything around it seems. So Hit was simply moving at a speed SO fast, The world around him may as well have stood still. Otherwise by your interpretation, that means Goku leeched the ability to stop time..which makes no sense...

Hit never stated that? He states he has a "Growth" Ability,
"Growth - In the anime, it is shown that when faced with a foe that he cannot overcome, Hit's abilities improve during battle (much like a Saiyan)." And considering how his "Growth" Allows him to dramatically improve himself to his opponent, that means his "Zenkai" has to be HUNDREDS of times better than a saiyans, since a Saiyan gets stronger AFTER battle, hit mimics and gets stronger DURING battle.

As i said earlier, it makes no sense for goku to be able to move "Through time" if it has been stopped..Kaioken doesn't give him the ability to manipulate time, only speed..Which further proves my point about Hit simply moving at an incredible speed for a few tenths of a second.

A lot of the stuff i say is directly from the wiki mate, You havn't shown me anything but theories and shit. So you can fuck right off on that if you're taking THE WORD OF A FAN over WHAT THE SHOW DIRECTLY SAID. Ok? Ok.
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#35 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
I showed you that because he points out the parts in the show that clearly say vegeta did it on his own
it's not his opinion, the show just never fucking told us exactly how vegeta did it. just like it never explained how he went super saiyan in the first place, ascended past that, or even how he fucking skipped normal god mode and jumped straight to super saiyan blue
the only thing we know for sure is that vegeta did now perform the ritual according to what the characters have told us

kaioken does not allow goku to "manipulate speed" it multiplies his power as a whole
what I was saying is that goku moving through stopped time was never explained
the show definitely made it clear that Hit is indeed stopping time, you can't make up another explanation for his ability because it doesn't make sense to you
goku just powered up so much that time was irrelevant to him or something, it's not clear at all
it makes even less sense when Hit powers up his time leap even further and like double freezes time, where time freezes and then extra freezes all around goku like a shell
did he just stop time harder than before? is there any way that makes any sense?
fucking no
you're going by what the wiki says the show said instead of what the show actually says
#37 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
I really don't care what he points out...it SAYS theres only one way, In the manga, in the movie, in the Series. There is NO other way to be a Saiyan god other than channeling ki from 5 into 1. I don't care how hard Vegeta trains.

it told you TWICE dude...You just don't want to admit it or go back to watching it. But here, I'll save you time: www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6MzKxe-bYI LITERALLY tells you. LITERALLY dude... If you're gonna flatout ignore this lore, i'm gonna assume you're a troll mate.

Do you really just not read what anyone says dude?...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAi_oG70L2I Goku using the Kaioken against Nappa to increase his speed and catch up. If you go to the dragonball wiki it explains it, Like i quoted before.

"Oh... it's the Kaio-ken attack. It's like a massive upsurge of energy. Everything is heightened: power, speed, even hearing and vision improve dramatically. You sort of become a super-self. But it can only be sustained for a short time, so you have to get the job done quickly."
— Goku in "Lesson Number One"


Go watch it.

It made it clear but it could be just a miss interpretation man, or a subbing error. If you want to see my theory in practice, jump into your car, drive down a freeway at 110mp/h, And look out your window to the people walking nearby- They appear to be moving SLOWER or even Stopping completely. This is basic Kinematics dude. Whether or not its "Explained" is irrelevant because goku just "Suddenly moving within stopped time" Was a plot device, lets just admit that, but the only way for it to make SENSE is that Hit only BELIEVED he was stopping time, which is why he was shocked when he seen goku Moving- or even countering him. its easy for someone to believe they can stop time if no one was ever fast enough to counter them. I mean look at Frieza's Death beam. During the namekian arc, Fourth form frieza's Death beam was simply too fast for anyone to see- Save vegeta & goku. Goku's Kaioken,and Vegeta getting stronger i guess. Probably another plot device, iunno.

Its just an effect they're using to illustrate Hits power..I really doubt what is show is LITERALLY visible to everyone. Since..you know, he never mentions it?...That'd be like the Jojo's referencing the "menacing"... Do you want MORE evidence time has stopped- During Hits assault Goku's face changes MANY times- Which means he can feel pain while time has "Stopped"??? So he can FEEL damage before his pain has had time to process it? No course not. THAT makes no sense... And before you say "oh you're misremembering it" i am watching it right now.

Hit even mentions "And while enduring those attacks, you'll try to get used to my movements which are 0.2 seconds faster." So how can goku get USED to time stopping? You are welcome to watch the link at around 10min and see my point proven.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0rweREI5XQ

The wiki is basing itself OFF the Show dude? seriously are you trolling or something?....
#38 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
I know what the show says
I don't understand how you keep finding the evidence I'm pointing to and coming to the wrong conclusion
the show says that's the only way, flat out, no other way to become a saiyan god
then it says that even though it's impossible and there was no other way, fucking somehow Vegeta became a god without the ritual

suck on this screenshot, you wrong fucker
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#39 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
Because you're shifting between both the movie AND the series- Which are both Incredibly different in their own ways...

In the show, Yes, It says Vegeta "Did it on his own" But in the movie, it never states that at all. In the show this is a "Plot hole".

Yeah i'll suck on your cherry picked Screenshot that i had to go back and find the source to myself and notice it wasn't even from the Movie- which is closer to the manga.

i'd prefer if you were at least Concise with things i thought you were looking at this OVERALL and not just from the series standpoint since..you know the movies and the series are completely different. Its really fucking confusing dude. But yeah well done you actually managed to find ONE thing that proved ONE thing. Meanwhile you just pulled the rest out of your ass. Vegeta may have gotten it "on his own" but i still think he would have gotten it through Training with Goku, Seeing how it was done and such. This training never happened to Trunks, He simply got a "Fake" SSJblue out of rage.

Now MAYBE he can't GET ssjblue? MAYBE since hes a halfling, This is just what his "SSJblue" looks like. Since a pure blooded SSJ would have blue hair and aura, a Halfling would have a "Half" blue aura.
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#40 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
I've only been talking about the show's canon
I don't know what was up with Trunks or his aura, but the point is that him absorbing a spirit bomb, while maybe coincidental, does not make any of the movies canon
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#41 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
It makes a plot device in the movie Canon is what i am talking about. A rather Stupid plot device.

It's like them taking the Big ghetti star and suddenly making it canon to bring Frieza back yet again. While Koola wouldn't be canon- the plot device Would be.
#42 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
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so then you're literally just salty because you don't like that attack

#43 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
yeah sure ok. later dude. THanks for proving One thing among your wrong statements at least.

Maybe you should go back and watch Dragonball Z for a change.
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#36 - sherlockbatman (11/14/2016) [-]
*did not perform
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#32 - skeletorexplains (11/14/2016) [-]
6* Not 5.