Reminder that Cho the blzn azn still has the high score.

Dennis Dutton sounds like a fairly pretentious dipshit, to be perfectly honest. His attempt at an example with Othello is downright moronic. Why comparing shooting virtual gangsters to Othello is meant to be fair or sensible is a mystery to me, especially since how "good" a game or a play is is totally subjective. Why he's comparing such different forms of media is also beyond me. Does he also compare Shakespeare's poems to Dickens' books? If that's the case, I assume he also poses the question of "Why does having more words and making more sense make a book "better" than a poem?"

A game contains characters. They needed concept artists, designers, modelers, voice actors, motion capture actors. A game contains environments. They needed concept artists, designers, modelers. A game contains a plot. That needed probably multiple writers. A game needs to be traversed. A game contains a soundtrack and effects. That needs musicians or other audio experts. That needs an animator, level designers, people who make sure all elements intersect properly.

Anybody who doesn't think that all of these elements are art is moronic. Anyone who thinks that the sheer effort and skill with which these elements intertwine to form probably the most complex storytelling media ever isn't art is an idiot. If Dutton cannot grasp that, through actions in video games, DIFFERENT STORIES are told, he should stick to thinking about aesthetics.

Also, in my opinion, Othello was shitty.

By the way, if you're so curious about Undertale, just play the game. It costs like 10 bucks, lasts for between eight to ten hours or thereabouts, depending on your playthrough. Or watch a walkthrough if you feel like it. Form your own opinion instead of complaining that people aren't describing it well enough to you.

Dennis Dutton sounds like a fairly pretentious dipshit, to be perfectly honest. His attempt at an example with Othello is downright moronic. Why comparing shooting virtual gangsters to Othello is meant to be fair or sensible is a mystery to me, especially since how "good" a game or a play is is totally subjective. Why he's comparing such different forms of media is also beyond me. Does he also compare Shakespeare's poems to Dickens' books? If that's the case, I assume he also poses the question of "Why does having more words and making more sense make a book "better" than a poem?"

A game contains characters. They needed concept artists, designers, modelers, voice actors, motion capture actors. A game contains environments. They needed concept artists, designers, modelers. A game contains a plot. That needed probably multiple writers. A game needs to be traversed. A game contains a soundtrack and effects. That needs musicians or other audio experts. That needs an animator, level designers, people who make sure all elements intersect properly.

Anybody who doesn't think that all of these elements are art is moronic. Anyone who thinks that the sheer effort and skill with which these elements intertwine to form probably the most complex storytelling media ever isn't art is an idiot. If Dutton cannot grasp that, through actions in video games, DIFFERENT STORIES are told, he should stick to thinking about aesthetics.

Also, in my opinion, Othello was shitty.

By the way, if you're so curious about Undertale, just play the game. It costs like 10 bucks, lasts for between eight to ten hours or thereabouts, depending on your playthrough. Or watch a walkthrough if you feel like it. Form your own opinion instead of complaining that people aren't describing it well enough to you.

Dennis Dutton sounds like a fairly pretentious dipshit, to be perfectly honest. His attempt at an example with Othello is downright moronic. Why comparing shooting virtual gangsters to Othello is meant to be fair or sensible is a mystery to me, especially since how "good" a game or a play is is totally subjective. Why he's comparing such different forms of media is also beyond me. Does he also compare Shakespeare's poems to Dickens' books? If that's the case, I assume he also poses the question of "Why does having more words and making more sense make a book "better" than a poem?"

A game contains characters. They needed concept artists, designers, modelers, voice actors, motion capture actors. A game contains environments. They needed concept artists, designers, modelers. A game contains a plot. That needed probably multiple writers. A game needs to be traversed. A game contains a soundtrack and effects. That needs musicians or other audio experts. That needs an animator, level designers, people who make sure all elements intersect properly.

Anybody who doesn't think that all of these elements are art is moronic. Anyone who thinks that the sheer effort and skill with which these elements intertwine to form probably the most complex storytelling media ever isn't art is an idiot. If Dutton cannot grasp that, through actions in video games, DIFFERENT STORIES are told, he should stick to thinking about aesthetics.

Also, in my opinion, Othello was shitty.

By the way, if you're so curious about Undertale, just play the game. It costs like 10 bucks, lasts for between eight to ten hours or thereabouts, depending on your playthrough. Or watch a walkthrough if you feel like it. Form your own opinion instead of complaining that people aren't describing it well enough to you.

Dennis Dutton sounds like a fairly pretentious dipshit, to be perfectly honest. His attempt at an example with Othello is downright moronic. Why comparing shooting virtual gangsters to Othello is meant to be fair or sensible is a mystery to me, especially since how "good" a game or a play is is totally subjective. Why he's comparing such different forms of media is also beyond me. Does he also compare Shakespeare's poems to Dickens' books? If that's the case, I assume he also poses the question of "Why does having more words and making more sense make a book "better" than a poem?"

A game contains characters. They needed concept artists, designers, modelers, voice actors, motion capture actors. A game contains environments. They needed concept artists, designers, modelers. A game contains a plot. That needed probably multiple writers. A game needs to be traversed. A game contains a soundtrack and effects. That needs musicians or other audio experts. That needs an animator, level designers, people who make sure all elements intersect properly.

Anybody who doesn't think that all of these elements are art is moronic. Anyone who thinks that the sheer effort and skill with which these elements intertwine to form probably the most complex storytelling media ever isn't art is an idiot. If Dutton cannot grasp that, through actions in video games, DIFFERENT STORIES are told, he should stick to thinking about aesthetics.

Also, in my opinion, Othello was shitty.

By the way, if you're so curious about Undertale, just play the game. It costs like 10 bucks, lasts for between eight to ten hours or thereabouts, depending on your playthrough. Or watch a walkthrough if you feel like it. Form your own opinion instead of complaining that people aren't describing it well enough to you.

Honestly, just try to play it and see for yourself, at max you will have wasted 10 dollars and 2-3 hours playing the game. Surely you have read a book that costed you more that left you dissatisfied afterwards.

Instead of going on here and seeming like a humblebrag or arrogant, you could just play it and make up your own opinion about it. There's a reason people like it, and if it's not your thing, then you hardly wasted time you wouldn't have wasted on FJ anyways.

I was telling you that your comment could seem humblebraggy or arrogant. Perhaps read my reply before downvoting next time?

The point I was making, was that you could easily just play the game, experience it for yourself, instead of asking someone online, about "how you dont see anyone older than 12 getting emotionally invested".

I never called you arrogant, you made that connection yourself. Besides, how you ask, says more than what you ask. You could have just asked "So what's the hype about this game about?".

It's all contextual. Really.

Thing is, you're the one percieving my comment to be negative. You assume I was ill-willed, when in fact. I was making a point about you just trying the game, instead of wasting your time making comments that definitely can be interpreted as you coming of arrogant.

I gave you answers to your question too, I told you that you really should just play the game yourself. It's the best way to form your opinion about the game, experiencing it.

In my opinion, yes. You are insane for thinking that I find you arrogant. I don't, I do however believe to reconsider how you read into comments made by internet-strangers. You assumed the worst in me, when I was simply trying to get you to play a game I enjoyed, and telling you that your comment could be viewed as quite negative meanwhile.

To be fair, you could already have been playing the game for about 20 minutes now, if you had just gotten it the instant you wrote the first comment. And you would probably have started finding it quite amusing already.

Besides, the point about downvoting was exactly that: you voiced your discord before even considering what I was actually telling you. If you've gotten "stupid answers" asking about the game. The answer is again this: Just play the game.

No.
I work at a super market near the border of Germany, about 30-50km from the border. and yet all these German fuckers who come here assume that we speak German. Never, not even once a German tried to speak English.

Or.. or im hosting a game and asking a question. yet the fucker answers it in German.

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Not to forget all German TV shit is dubbed so hard its always american Germans vs German Germans in WW2 movies as example. i think they should've gave theyr land away to the Netherlands and Poland after WW2 and be wiped off the map.