Ah you just forgot the "C" in it.
Sorry I thought you simply accidentally used the wrong word.

Also, I agree with you, so don't worry Im on your side

There b no c in that link, unfortunately.

The fact that you have that ready for use doesn't help your case bucko.

What, am I supposed to leave and never come back because I made a joke you got offended by? Stop being such a baby.

No just have some decorum and try not to advocate for mass murder.

hence the pretending

You realize the joke behind the "pretending to be retarded" thing is the person is still retarded, right?

I was making a joke off you, sorry you didn't get it.

No I get it, I'm the one who is "pretending to be retarded" in your joke. Therefore I'm the stupid one.

It's ok, it's ok

Retracting to "it's a joke" saw that one coming.

I'd believe you if you started with that, but no, you defended your position.

Why are you looking for an argument? You're the one who took my original post too seriously and got upset when I dismissed you trying to take the moral high ground over a joke.

>muh feels
Go cut yourself emofag.

*widescale

Wholesale is super cheap chinese shopping...

wholescale could also mean extensive; broadly indiscriminate dictionary.reference.com/browse/wholesale

Ah you just forgot the "C" in it.
Sorry I thought you simply accidentally used the wrong word.

Also, I agree with you, so don't worry Im on your side

There b no c in that link, unfortunately.

Go be whiny somewhere else.

go back to pol

The fact that you have that ready for use doesn't help your case bucko.

What, am I supposed to leave and never come back because I made a joke you got offended by? Stop being such a baby.

No just have some decorum and try not to advocate for mass murder.

hence the pretending

You realize the joke behind the "pretending to be retarded" thing is the person is still retarded, right?

I was making a joke off you, sorry you didn't get it.

No I get it, I'm the one who is "pretending to be retarded" in your joke. Therefore I'm the stupid one.

It's ok, it's ok

Retracting to "it's a joke" saw that one coming.

I'd believe you if you started with that, but no, you defended your position.

Why are you looking for an argument? You're the one who took my original post too seriously and got upset when I dismissed you trying to take the moral high ground over a joke.

It's a start, and it's only for PUBLIC COLLEGE which is small step to something that everyone is going to need, what I need in a few months.

Nigga, I don't talk to my folks, I'm hitting 22.

>what I need in a few months.

This is why you support bernie. It's a gibsmedat mentality.

Yes and do you understand how much better that is?
There is 122 million Americans who pay federal income tax, so lets take this as our number for how many people will be paying the additional taxes for free college.
if they spend a billion tax payer dollars to fund this every month, it would be 8 dollars per month per tax payer so this would allow 1000's of people who could never dream of going to college the chance to get better jobs and possibly helping the economy rather than doing nothing

Nothing is free, we all pay for shit already. All these good things that Bernie is saying, are GOOD things, Black rights=great if you're white then you don't know how badly my black cousin has it in society Free public college= Everyone wants to go, when you go to college oppurtunities open up, and hey maybe one of the kids will be a billionair after which is one of the points to going to college is to get a great job. =Wants middle east to come together= hopefully create a muslim empire as large as the Ottomans and LIKE HILARY, he wants equal pay for Woman and free Healthcare which what every other super power has, In Rwanda in Africa they found a cure to stop hiv to be spread from pregnant mothers to their kids[spoiler] By the time that medicine gets here, The fucking pharmaceuticals company are going to have a field day with those prices so waht is going to do? lower them. [/spoiler]. ALL these things are positives with good intentions and ya have a problem with it cause he doesn't want to kill ISIS by himself, and wants the assholes who crashed our market in the firstplace and messed up you Europeans economy as well, to help pay for kids who want to better themselves in school and ya have a problem with that?

The crux of the matter is the notion that I should be forced to pay for someone else's anthropology degree or their art history degree or whatever. Quite honestly this is absurd. Not only does it force me to pay for other peoples' bad choices (ie a useless degree or spending those 4 years partying), but there's no logical distinction from this or being forced to pay for someone else's food, home, car, etc.

>reducing prices of college tuitions because no way sitting a students ass on a chair costs so much ?

They've already tried to do this. They subsidize the costs with federal loans, but this actually helps inflate the cost of tuition Since you're guaranteeing a certain amount of federal dollars with every student

It's also important to note that most people aren't paying 50k a year for college. A lot of times that high sticker price is just to make their university seem exclusive or fancy or whatever. What they tend to do is cut your tuition down significantly under the pretext of scholarships and whatnot. I don't actually know anyone who pays that much for college.

Here's what I propose:
College is an investment. You are investing in educating yourself. If you don't think that investment is worth it, don't go to college. If you think the investment is worth it, do it and the benefit you gain from it should enable you to pay off those loans.
It's just like buying yourself a car: You do it because you believe it will make your situation better off, and I'm not expected to pay for your vehicle.

I paid $150 to take every prerequisite I needed for a degree in basically any STEM field. 6 classes. Because scholarship that everybody in the state gets

It is an investment, which is why you're being asked to invest in your own country's people. Invest in the next generation, and who knows, they might just make a decent wedge and be able to afford a great pension for you. It comes back around to you that way. If you don't believe in your fellow countrymen and women, then what the fuck is your flag for anyway?

The point is not everyone can afford to take that leap. Good intelligent young people miss opportunities because they can't break free of the class barrier.

Why should I not be expected to invest in their car as well? After all they need it to get to work! What about new clothes so they can look professional in job interviews? The logic is the same here.

And if the investment is so bad that a person won't make that investment themselves, why am I suddenly expected to make that bad investment?

Also, it's important to note that I'm not being asked, I'm being told. IE, money is forcibly being extracted from me. This is the government telling me it knows how to spend my own money better than i do.

I actually DO believe in my countrymen. I believe they're smart and strong enough to figure things out and help themselves. I believe they're capable of figuring out whether nor not a degree is actually worth the price tag. I believe that they're capable of telling good investments apart from bad ones. And I believe they're better than needing big brother to take care of things for them.

Our flag is for liberty.

It's not a case of "is it worth it" and more a case of "It's absolutely worth it but if I don't make it, I'm on the streets begging for change because the debt will cripple me".

I don't care how high your taxes would be, it won't be high enough to leave you begging on the streets.

You're saying "It's absolutely worth it the outcome if everything goes my way." But that's not how life works.

Again, why should I make be forced to make the investment in you that you're not willing to make yourself?

And what's the difference between this and being forced to pay for the car you drive or the clothes you wear?

You're arguing for a forcible redistribution of wealth.

It's not an investment in "me" because I'm already a student and I'm already paying my own fees. Just worth mentioning.

Yes, I suppose I am arguing for a forcible redistribution of wealth. That represents a good thing to me. I guess we've found where we differ. Good discussing this with you. I respect your opinion.

*referring to state pensions obviously

Our system is broken because people are greedy. We should be paying for the cost of the services and they are overpricing said services. This also goes for healthcare. It's really quite simple. Making college education free is simply not logical, our tax system is corrupt, if we make more things "free" it will only get worse. Lower education (primary school, etc) being free hasn't been horribly fantastic either, children that are highly capable are being held back, and children that are having issues are falling way behind. Some people are quite simply not brain surgeons, they were made for different things and should be trained for such. If we were to implement free college education, we would start to run into the same issues. Once people got the free education, next they would want everyone to be able to go to college, and then we start pandering to people less capable, we start to lose our intelligence and move towards everyone being "equal" this, to me is a horrible thing. Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

You're free to give as much money as you'd like to schools. Nobody is stopping you.
Hell, give some of your money to a college student; I'm sure they'd appreciate it.

You won't actually put your money where your mouth is.

I am a college student m8. I ain't got no money.
But by the time anything free college oriented stuff came I wouldn't apply to it, or would be completely done with college. Considering I'm on my major now.
That being said I want my kids to not have to go through the same shit.

So in 10 or so years, assuming we maintain the same system, are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?

Yes.

I have no position in the upcoming vote since I'm not from the US but the college part still baffles me. Why the fuck do you act like funding education through taxes of everyone is a bad thing? What the fuck are you thinking? Who else would pay for it? Schools left to their own devices managed to raise the prices of education so fucking high that the biggest consideration before getting into a college is not whether you have good enough grades, but whether or not you or your parents will be able to afford it. What the fuck kind of system is that? The future of the country literally lies in the hands of the young people, and the first thing they have to do after high school is to be put through a meat grinder of fucking getting an education and surviving. And then they come out of it with dept for the next ten years. Of course everyone should pay taxes to give free or at least semi free education (government pays ~80% of the cost) to the students. What other way is there to look at education? Bachelor degrees don't even come close to guaranteeing a job these days anyway.
But I guess spending retarded amounts of money for being a huge military power and supporting the ever growing army of obese whales who need to fuel themselves and their mobility scooters constantly, without producing a cent of value for their own country is more important. I don't mean to say that everything is wrong, but holy fuck is the education system fucked up there.

If people don't realize, that paying taxes directly translates to those services, then they really need the free education. I mean it's such a basic concept, why would they feel like they're entitled to something, without putting something into the system first?

Well, thank you