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|#102 - It's not like I swing my dick in the air all day to pocket dus…||05/21/2014 on Hard to believe people like...||0|
|#96 - Considering I've never been in your position, I can never real… [+] (5 new replies)||05/21/2014 on Hard to believe people like...||-1|
|#89 - Im just curious, as someone without a circumcision , what is t… [+] (61 new replies)||05/21/2014 on Hard to believe people like...||0|
#120 - therealslimdavey (05/21/2014) [-]
When circumcision first became popular in the biblical ages, it did actually help keep the penis clean because people didn't have regular access to bathing pools, but in the modern era it is essentially a useless argument. I think more than anything circumcision is just a tradition nowadays.
#125 - timmywankenobi (05/21/2014) [-]
yep. A barbaric painful tradition forced on unwilling children in soundproof rooms . Also a big reason is the non-urologist 90% untrained doctors who preform the procedure 80% of the time with no anesthesia (they don't use anesthesia because it destroy's the cells in the foreskin that make it valuable ) sell foreskins for 1900 to 2600$ US each to pharmaceutical companies to make face cream and shin grafts out of , and if that wasn't bad enough the original owners of the foreskins aren't given a cent. the harvesting of this organs from bay boys is a 600 million a year enterprise that kills 125-350 boys in the US every year.
#137 - montykarl (05/21/2014) [-]
I feel like you're just an idiot and it's a waste to debate you, but what the hell. First, it has been shown that there is no difference between circumcised and uncircumcised men in their ability to sense extroceptive and tactile stimuli on the ventral and dorsal surfaces of the glans. For your small mind, this means it does not affect sexual sensations in anyway. Next, it is American law that hospitals use full analgesia for circumcision. That does not always mean anesthesia, as some babies are unable to undergo such a procedure, but they absolutely deaden all sensations of pain. I feel like I do not even need to address the idiocy in your conspiracy theory. I know you got that from an article by wellspring magazine that was later proven to be false. It is a federal crime to use human body parts in cosmetics, and at any rate there is no evidence this was ever used in the United States. All doctors make on circumcision is the $200 fee. If it scares you that much, you can request to see the disposal of the foreskin. Next, you claim hundreds of deaths every year. However, did you know only 6 deaths have been recorded since 2000? How do you explain this discrepancy? However, circumcision is linked to a number of health benefits. Uncircumcised males have a far higher rate of urinary tract infections and penile cancer. This is also not a question of cleanliness, you can't affect these things with a good scrub. Finally, in uncircumcised men, the presence of the thin, keratinized mucosal layer may allow the passage of viral pathogens to the lymphoid cells. This means that uncircumcised boys are at far higher risk for all forms of STD's, especially syphilis. That is why there is a movement to use widespread circumcision in Africa. If you're against circumcision, that's fine, but do not make these blanket bullshit propaganda speeches for which you have no evidence.
#158 - montykarl (05/21/2014) [-]
First of all, that's idiocy, because you make the claim that they're strapping babies to tables, forcing them to get erections and then essentially castrating them in soundproof rooms without anesthesia. But I enjoy the rants of fools, so I'll play along, because I'm bored. I would like to see your sources as well please.
Here's an AAP report on the increased benefits. www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/Pages/New-Benefits-Point-to-Greater-Benefits-of-Infant-Circumcision-But-Final-Say-is-Still-Up-to-parents-Says-AAP.aspx
Governmental study disproving the idea that circumcision leads to erectile dysfunction- www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23361453
webMD post about analgesics- www.webmd.com/parenting/baby/news/20060720/doctors-now-ease-pain-of-circumcision
A doctoral dissertation by a penile expert on why parents should circumcise-blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2012/08/31/cut-the-penis-cut-the-risk-why-circumcision-is-a-good-choice/#.U3w8rPldVqE
HuffPo article on HIV reduction- www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/16/circumcision-penis-bacteria-hiv-risk_n_3091271.html
Easy to read article by the Mayo clinic on benefits to circumcision- www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/circumcision/basics/why-its-done/prc-20013585
New York Times article on why the benefits outweigh the risks-
Not a medical report, but A slate report on the lies by the "intactivists"-
Should I continue, because I most certainly can?
#168 - timmywankenobi (05/21/2014) [-]
wow not one legit unbiased source . the AAP has made billions off of selling foreskins and they have an American cultural bias. not trust worthy by any stretch of the imagination. Whats next a study done by 5 Mohels in Africa that has been dismissed by the entire scientific and medical community yeah that's legit alright. next a study that pawns off the ED on smoking and drinking nice because intact men totally don't do those things .Also it doesn't say when they were cut and the pool of cut men was only 6% too small to be accurate in any way. next a article that says 9/10 doctors are now being taught to use anesthesia but no information on wither they are using it in practice or if currently practicing doctors will make that change.next link is some weird guy who only states he believes future research will prove being cut will prevent aids, so total shit. next another mention of the african study that has been thrown out by every scientist. next link just links to the AAP pannel of 5 cutters opinions which is complete bullshit since they make their livings off of cutting babies. then next one is a blog that says you should cut you sons because it's the godly american thing to do, yep real scientific.
If this is all you have you should give up now.
#186 - montykarl (05/21/2014) [-]
You are too much. I had hoped you'd actually read the reports and possibly learn a little. Instead, you criticize the reliability and agenda of the sources with the most expertise. So, a doctoral dissertation, a report by the American Associations of Pediatricians, the Mayo Clinic, The New York Times, and web md are not legitimate sources on medical operations. I would love to hear what you consider an unbiased source. Especially considering the fact that the people who understand circumcision far better than anyone on the internet are all inherently biased according to you. You also still haven't put forth a single resource. But I don't think it matters. At the end of the day, you are another obtuse loser whom I'll never convince even though the weight of evidence against your position is absolutely staggering. I can only hope that you're some child who will one day grow up and be a little wiser. Good luck to you. Oh, and btw, maybe someone else will learn a little something.
#188 - timmywankenobi (05/21/2014) [-]
I looked over all of them but they are biased because they make their livings off of people continuing to mutilate their sons and they have religious bias being Jewish and cultural bias because They are American a very pro cutting place . these biases make them un-trust worthy. I will review your new links as well and get back to you tomorrow as I must go to bed now here are my links for you to look at.
Circumcision decreases penile sensitivity
Circumcision associated with sexual difficulties
Circumcision linked to alexithymia
The exaggeration of the benefits of circumcision in regards to HIV/AIDS transmission
Circumcision/HIV claims are based on insufficient evidence
There is no case for the widespread implementation of circumcision as a preventative measure to stop transmission of AIDS/HIV
Circumcision decreases sexual pleasure
Circumcision decreases efficiency of nerve response in the glans of the penis
Circumcision policy is influenced by psychosocial factors rather than alleged health benefits
#190 - timmywankenobi (05/21/2014) [-]
Circumcision linked to pain, trauma, and psychosexual sequelae
Circumcision results in significant loss of erogenous tissue
Circumcision has negligible benefit
Neonatal circumcision linked to pain and trauma
Circumcision may lead to need for increased care and medical attention in the first 3 years of life
Circumcision linked to psychological trauma
Circumcision may lead to abnormal brain development and subsequent deviations in behavior
Well over 100 boy's die from Circumcision every year in the US.
PS. Everyone should read this link if they have a little time.
#126 - therealslimdavey (05/21/2014) [-]
Damn you seem super against it. I was just trying to provide some backup info.
I'm circumcised and I really don't think it's as big of a deal as you might make it out to be. While modern medicine has made huge strides since the biblical era people die from medical procedures all day long. That being said if I ever do have son, ill be sure to leave the choice up to him when he gets old enough to make those kinds of decisions. But seriously dude. Calm down just a tad.
#128 - timmywankenobi (05/21/2014) [-]
It's not done to babies for medical reasons and it's kills 125-350 each year these are easily prevented deaths. No one should be allowed to mutilate babies for profit ever ! it is disgusting and IMO one of the absolute worst things a person can do is torture and sexually assault children for money. If governments were respecting and enforcing the UN Human rights laws and equal protection act boys would be enjoying the same protection we give girls. instead governments caved to Jewish special interest groups and big pharma and took a giant metaphorical dump on international human rights laws and the UN just smiled and asked for more.
#222 - Sethorein (05/21/2014) [-]
It doesn't disprove anything it's just arguing that if you choose to believe literally everything claimed by the intact supporters then you could presume that the act of circumcision literally serves no other purpose than genital mutilation.
Now that's a very big step to take as the literature is by no means conclusively in support of one side or the other in this issue. Scientists release plenty of papers that support cutting and refute it showing the complexity of the issue which you are trying to make so black and white.
The fact of the matter is, power of attorney is what grants the parent the right to remove freedom of choice from their child. Whether you want to believe this is super mean or not is your own opinion. But it by no means "refutes" the claim to the existence of the power of attorney in protecting the ability of the parent to raise the child as they see fit within the confines of current law.
#225 - timmywankenobi (05/21/2014) [-]
power of attorney is what grants the parent the right to remove freedom of choice from their child. Whether you want to believe this is super mean or not is your own opinion. But it by no means "refutes" the claim to the existence of the power of attorney in protecting the ability of the parent to raise the child as they see fit within the confines of current law." did you not read my link at all ?
#228 - Sethorein (05/21/2014) [-]
I glimpsed through it. It seemed to be arguing the fact that circumcision was made illegal as it was deemed a gross bodily mutilation and not a medical procedure and I inferred that it does not fall under the jurisdiction of power of attorney if it is on the same level as genital mutilation.
I already told you I'm rather lazy... I'll argue you anecdotally but I'm too tired to actually try to go through sources and shit...
#226 - Sethorein (05/21/2014) [-]
That's irrelevant. I'm arguing that the power of attorney allows parents to make medical decisions on behalf of their child for all things until they are of age. Thus, arguing that circumcision is a breach of their human rights is silly as vaccination is just as much a violation.
#245 - Sethorein (05/21/2014) [-]
"semantics" Yeah, when you lie I tell you to stop lying. When you say circumcision removes the frenullum I tell you you're retarded. When you say circumcision causes both premature ejaculation and erectile dysfunction I call you retarded. When you pretend that 300 deaths per 4 million is a large number I call you retarded. When you actually try to say that power of attorney is a bad thing I call you retarded.
These are the stances you've made clear that are retarded. An intelligent being is capable of supporting a side of a contentious argument while refraining from championing some of their more retarded positions. You did not. That's what I've been doing tonight. Trying to help you act less retarded. Get it?
#132 - xxxsonic fanxxx (05/21/2014) [-]
You are to the people against circumcision as to that woman is to feminists.
An extremist using buzzwords to make it sound trumped up and overplayed.
Are you saying any time someone touches a penis is sexual assault? Because then every time the mother changes a diaper it's sexual assault.
Plus, you're spouting useless percentages (90% do it 80% of the time!) and spouting unfounded facts (anesthesia destroying cells) which are not true. They don't do full anesthesia because it'd be a greater risk to the baby (Dosing an infant) then the potential benefit (Making them not remember something they already wont remember).
There are more deaths from handling vending machines then getting snipped. I'm not saying it's not important to dispel the myths about circumcision (it's not cleaner than being natural, for example) but to call it a human rights violation is ridiculous.
If Circumcision is child abuse then removing the dew claws from puppies is animal cruelty.
#136 - timmywankenobi (05/21/2014) [-]
no it's sexual assault because they have to give the baby and erection and maintain it by rubbing and such (literally a forced handjob) then they scrape crush and cut off the most sensitive and erogenous part of the male body.
all my facts and percentages are founded you can find the links I posted earlier in the thread below.
Well call type 1 female circumcision a human rights violation and it is the exact equivalent procedure and amputates the exact same tissue the clitoral hood of a girl forms the foreskin of a boy. So One cannot be a human rights violation without the other being one as well it's only logical.
#164 - xxxsonic fanxxx (05/21/2014) [-]
Uhm.. I watched my nephew get circumcised. They just lightly held the skin and snipped it off.. Getting an erection is pretty impossible for a baby.
#196 - Sethorein (05/21/2014) [-]
I won't argue the validity of any of your sources because I'm lazy. But come on, forcing an erection onto newborn babies. Now you're treading into libel. I have a bloody video of my circumcision, no erections to be seen. You can claim I don't have feeling in my dick all you want, I'll keep enjoying my dick the way I always have, but come on... at least pretend you're not just spewing slander for the shits 'n gigs.
Also, I highly recommend you seek therapy for your clear and present monomanic relationship with this topic. You've spent hours replying dozens of times on a post which only mentioned the topic as an afterthought. Just... take a moment. There's being passionate and there's being insane. You kinda crossed the line.
#214 - Sethorein (05/21/2014) [-]
4 million babies are born per year, perhaps half are circumcised. If 350 die of this then it's not nice, but it's far from the most tragic loss of life in the country.
There's this thing called power of attorney. It's what parents get when a child is too young to make decisions for itself. It allows the parents to make decisions for the child, like receiving vaccinations, getting surgeries, being circumcised, etc. etc. Your argument that this removes the baby's right to free choice is ridiculous as a newborn child doesn't get to choose anything for several years. You just don't like this particular choice so you're putting the spotlight on it.
#96 - sebprad (05/21/2014) [-]
Considering I've never been in your position, I can never really understand how that could pass as a "benefit" for circumcision, due to the fact that I also like to relax in the shower, so I don't really take into consideration the extra couple of seconds it takes to rub my dick more.
Anyhow, to each their own. Just giving my two cents.
#110 - exclamation (05/21/2014) [-]
I feel it already. Everyday where I'm not school because the semester is over feels like another day I'm free from the machine of habit, but it is inevitable; no matter how much we preach "carpe diem" or whatever, we'll just what we have to and nothing much more that isn't quaint.
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