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#94 - I don't think destroying the sun would benefit anybody, so i d…  [+] (2 new replies) 05/13/2014 on Goku Facts Part 2 0
#96 - mamenber (05/13/2014) [-]
What I actually meant was that Superman gets his power from Sun (right?), and since he can't get more energy than the Sun has, it would be enough to prove that Goku can destroy the Sun, but you are right. Also, Picollo, while destroying moon, did not have time to charge his attack, so I guess that his power level was 400-800. That would mean that Goku could destroy moon, maybe even if it had two times more mass than Sun. Considering this, I think it would be draw.
User avatar #98 - redblueyellow (05/13/2014) [-]
I think that goku, with an energy attack strong enough like the spiritbomb or a very strong kamehameha, could disintegrate (like cell or kid buu) Superman and win. I do not think he could beat superman to death, so Goku needs to rely on his energy skills.
#92 - You can't just end the argument. The biting is hardly an effec…  [+] (8 new replies) 05/13/2014 on Goku Facts Part 2 0
#235 - kez (05/14/2014) [-]
Just to let you know.

Shenron doesnt cast any wish.

He casts any wish within his power, which is the power of his creator at the time. So some wishes like removing powers from super strong people isnt possible for him, thats why it never happens, and why he cant just kill strong people as a wish
User avatar #104 - kjftiger (05/13/2014) [-]
I agree with your argument, but if the dragons wish is considered "magical" than it would definitely work on Superman, due to his vulnerability to magic. Other than that the fight could possibly go either way depending on the circumstances.
User avatar #99 - ninjagaiden (05/13/2014) [-]
I don't think the dragon balls work against Bills. Him being a god and all. I need to rewatch that movie, because I don't remember Goku losing.

I totally think it's within the dragons powers to turn Superman into a human.

I'm pretty sure Vegeta would be there during the fight between Goku and Superman. So would all the other Z fighters. They're all ways there. I'd bet money that Krillin would somehow die as well.

Goku is known for his smarts, he's just not mentally "quick". Goku is actually a genius. I couldn't cite you a specific episode, I just know he was assigned a task (in the original dragon ball anime) to complete a blacksmith puzzle. Some super hard rubiks cube kinda thing. It took Goku all day and all night but he figured it out and surprised whoever gave him the task. So yeah, Goku is smart. Not as scientifically smart as Superman but smart all the same.

If you want the truth... If this fight was an episode they wouldn't even fight. Somehow the dragon balls would be brought up and Superman could wish his entire planet back to life with all the inhabitants restored to life.

So Goku wins through pure virtue.
User avatar #102 - redblueyellow (05/13/2014) [-]
Goku loses most of his ssg powers very quick and can hold his own for a very short time against bills. However, in the end goku realizes he is no match for bills and admits it, thus effectively losing the battle. In the end everyone only survives because bills likes pudding.

I'm not saying goku is dumb, but other than the kamehamehafeet like tactics, ideas aren't really his thing. That's what vegeta is known for. And this is a fight between goku and superman. Not goku and friends vs the justice league. So even if vegeta was present, he would not aid goku in the fight in any way.

It seems to me that you rely on the dragonballs way too much. I can imagine that goku would use them if the earth really was in danger and it was his only option, but that's not the point here. The whole discussion is about who would win in sparring match. Is one of them strong enough to destroy the other? The dragonballs, kryptonite and red sun don't matter in this discussion, because it would give one of the contestants an unfair advantage. It's also very probable that superman could destroy at least one dragonball, thus making them useless.

However, I do think Goku could win. Not in terms of raw strength, since superman seems to posses an endless quantity of that, but in energy attacks. I believe that if goku could somehow use the spirit bomb or an extremely powerfull kamehameha, he would destroy superman in the same manner as kid buu and cell were.
User avatar #126 - ninjagaiden (05/13/2014) [-]
I'm only relying on the dragon balls because that's what I'd do.

I'm sure Goku would just laugh and be happy another strong person has showed up. I don't have to worry about Superman being evil either.

The only fair way to find a winner is to summon the dragon and wish that both of them were human. Then they can fight it out 1v1 without any advantages from alien origin. However, doing this will still render Superman at a disadvantage because Goku has been training his whole life and knows techniques to raise his power (kaoi ken). Superman would have non of this... Superman would still be big and strong, but I've never thought of Superman as a perfect fighter, you know, a Bruce Lee (goku) type. In this way Goku wins 10 out of 10

With powers in tact... I firmly believe that with one punch Goku could break Supermans neck.

I also hate Superman. I don't think he's cool at all. He's just an alien in the right solar system. On Krypton Krillin could beat him mercilessly.

Flying into a long dead universe just to sneeze? Yeah sorry, unless that long dead universe had a yellow sun (long dead universe so I'm assuming no yellow sun) he would have died instantly just from being in outer space. Linking up entire planetary systems via a giant chain so he can pull them into a better orbit? How obscene.

Here is my accepted version of Superman:

He is not as strong as the hulk. He does start out stronger though.
He is not as fast as the flash.
He cannot travel into the past (or future) using only his own power.
He cannot punch something so hard that it creates a supernova.
He cannot survive in space without a yellow sun close enough to empower him.

And finally... Superman was beaten to death by Doomsday... Basically a sentient diamond killing machine. If Superman is going to die to Doomsday, then he would die to Goku.
User avatar #335 - redblueyellow (05/14/2014) [-]
I actually believe Superman is stronger than the hulk, but that whole thing is uncertain.
I agree he is not as fast as the flash, on foot. Superman flight ability makes him faster in that area since, well the flash can't fly.
I agree with you on the punching and timetraveling thing, though I'm guessing that happened in the gold/silver age of comics when everything was more over the top and they gave superman alot of (weird) powers. I think most of those powers have been revoked now.
His powers aren't immediatly gone when he's not near a yellow sun, but it is true he can't survive for very long in space without his powers.

But wishing away both their powers? That just misses the whole point of the debate. It's about which powerfull alien would win because of all their powers and techniques.
User avatar #353 - ninjagaiden (05/14/2014) [-]
The dragon balls are a power and their alien. It makes the whole thing a lot more interesting if you ask me.

Superman is stronger than the Hulk... Until the hulk starts building up steam. It's possible for Superman to put Hulk down before he becomes too angry. That's the source of the Hulks powers. Infinite rage. Thor compares him to a god.

1v1, all powers intact, no outside interference... Just Goku and Superman out in a desert.

Goku is faster. (instant transmission. doesn't matter how faster Superman can fly or run. It takes TIME for Superman to do anything. Goku takes time out of the equation. So Goku is faster.)

Superman is stronger. Even a die hard Dragon Ball Z fan can see that Superman is stronger. There really isn't an argument here. Goku is DAMN strong though.

I'm not sure if Superman would be weak against the Ki Blasts the DBZ world is so famous for. They are not "magical" attacks. Ki is inner life force.

Goku is the better fighter. No question. Superman grew up being an indecisive pussy, hiding his powers and never being formally trained in his early years. I'm sure Superman learned to fight in the future... But Goku has been training and fighting since he could talk.

It would be a fight, that's for sure. I think SSJ2 form is all that is needed to defeat Superman.
User avatar #354 - redblueyellow (05/14/2014) [-]
I think in hand to hand combat, Goku has more techniques (although I believe Superman has been trained by Batman in hand to hand combat, but I don't think it really compares to Goku's skills) and therefore has an advantage in evading hits.
However, I think Superman in raw strenght would beat goku. Superman landing a direct hit on goku would do more damage than goku hitting Superman. This is also because I think Superman is more durable than Goku.
But I think Goku has en advantage with his energy attacks. I don't think Supermans invulnerability covers pure energy, so with a strong enough attack (spirit bomb) Goku could defeat superman like he did with kid buu or cell.
#83 - When in DBZ has he won with the Dragonballs? The only time I c…  [+] (10 new replies) 05/13/2014 on Goku Facts Part 2 0
User avatar #87 - ninjagaiden (05/13/2014) [-]
Goku bites and shoots Kamehameha from his feet. Kinda dirty.

I was counting that wish. It's really the only one that helps him defeat someone. I don't care that it was Vegetas idea.

Goku would always notice a lazer beam. No question. He got Goku sense like Spider sense. Also he can sense power levels. He'd notice a large spike in power coming from his 6 oclock.

Goku is a God. End argument queue red super saiyan hair.
User avatar #92 - redblueyellow (05/13/2014) [-]
You can't just end the argument. The biting is hardly an effective tactic since it is only used so his opponent will let him go and for comic relief. Shooting kamehameha's from his feet is an ability, not a dirty tactic. Just because something is unexpected doesn't mean it's a dirty tactic.

"I don't care that it was vegeta's idea". Good way to counter an argument. If vegeta wasn't smart enough to come up with that idea, Goku would've died. Also, Goku isn't known for his smarts, so assuming he could come up with the idea of wishing supermans powers away is a long shot. And you'd have to consider if it is within shenron/porunga's powers to grant that wish.

He doesn't have "Goku sense". Yes, he can sense energy and could probably use that to avoid the lasers, but he doesn't have a built in goku sense.

Goku as Super Sayian God couldn't win from Bills, so assuming that form is all powerfull is just outright wrong. And in the fight with bills he could've used your master plan to gather the dragonballs and make bills powerless, but he didn't, so why would he do that with superman?
#235 - kez (05/14/2014) [-]
Just to let you know.

Shenron doesnt cast any wish.

He casts any wish within his power, which is the power of his creator at the time. So some wishes like removing powers from super strong people isnt possible for him, thats why it never happens, and why he cant just kill strong people as a wish
User avatar #104 - kjftiger (05/13/2014) [-]
I agree with your argument, but if the dragons wish is considered "magical" than it would definitely work on Superman, due to his vulnerability to magic. Other than that the fight could possibly go either way depending on the circumstances.
User avatar #99 - ninjagaiden (05/13/2014) [-]
I don't think the dragon balls work against Bills. Him being a god and all. I need to rewatch that movie, because I don't remember Goku losing.

I totally think it's within the dragons powers to turn Superman into a human.

I'm pretty sure Vegeta would be there during the fight between Goku and Superman. So would all the other Z fighters. They're all ways there. I'd bet money that Krillin would somehow die as well.

Goku is known for his smarts, he's just not mentally "quick". Goku is actually a genius. I couldn't cite you a specific episode, I just know he was assigned a task (in the original dragon ball anime) to complete a blacksmith puzzle. Some super hard rubiks cube kinda thing. It took Goku all day and all night but he figured it out and surprised whoever gave him the task. So yeah, Goku is smart. Not as scientifically smart as Superman but smart all the same.

If you want the truth... If this fight was an episode they wouldn't even fight. Somehow the dragon balls would be brought up and Superman could wish his entire planet back to life with all the inhabitants restored to life.

So Goku wins through pure virtue.
User avatar #102 - redblueyellow (05/13/2014) [-]
Goku loses most of his ssg powers very quick and can hold his own for a very short time against bills. However, in the end goku realizes he is no match for bills and admits it, thus effectively losing the battle. In the end everyone only survives because bills likes pudding.

I'm not saying goku is dumb, but other than the kamehamehafeet like tactics, ideas aren't really his thing. That's what vegeta is known for. And this is a fight between goku and superman. Not goku and friends vs the justice league. So even if vegeta was present, he would not aid goku in the fight in any way.

It seems to me that you rely on the dragonballs way too much. I can imagine that goku would use them if the earth really was in danger and it was his only option, but that's not the point here. The whole discussion is about who would win in sparring match. Is one of them strong enough to destroy the other? The dragonballs, kryptonite and red sun don't matter in this discussion, because it would give one of the contestants an unfair advantage. It's also very probable that superman could destroy at least one dragonball, thus making them useless.

However, I do think Goku could win. Not in terms of raw strength, since superman seems to posses an endless quantity of that, but in energy attacks. I believe that if goku could somehow use the spirit bomb or an extremely powerfull kamehameha, he would destroy superman in the same manner as kid buu and cell were.
User avatar #126 - ninjagaiden (05/13/2014) [-]
I'm only relying on the dragon balls because that's what I'd do.

I'm sure Goku would just laugh and be happy another strong person has showed up. I don't have to worry about Superman being evil either.

The only fair way to find a winner is to summon the dragon and wish that both of them were human. Then they can fight it out 1v1 without any advantages from alien origin. However, doing this will still render Superman at a disadvantage because Goku has been training his whole life and knows techniques to raise his power (kaoi ken). Superman would have non of this... Superman would still be big and strong, but I've never thought of Superman as a perfect fighter, you know, a Bruce Lee (goku) type. In this way Goku wins 10 out of 10

With powers in tact... I firmly believe that with one punch Goku could break Supermans neck.

I also hate Superman. I don't think he's cool at all. He's just an alien in the right solar system. On Krypton Krillin could beat him mercilessly.

Flying into a long dead universe just to sneeze? Yeah sorry, unless that long dead universe had a yellow sun (long dead universe so I'm assuming no yellow sun) he would have died instantly just from being in outer space. Linking up entire planetary systems via a giant chain so he can pull them into a better orbit? How obscene.

Here is my accepted version of Superman:

He is not as strong as the hulk. He does start out stronger though.
He is not as fast as the flash.
He cannot travel into the past (or future) using only his own power.
He cannot punch something so hard that it creates a supernova.
He cannot survive in space without a yellow sun close enough to empower him.

And finally... Superman was beaten to death by Doomsday... Basically a sentient diamond killing machine. If Superman is going to die to Doomsday, then he would die to Goku.
User avatar #335 - redblueyellow (05/14/2014) [-]
I actually believe Superman is stronger than the hulk, but that whole thing is uncertain.
I agree he is not as fast as the flash, on foot. Superman flight ability makes him faster in that area since, well the flash can't fly.
I agree with you on the punching and timetraveling thing, though I'm guessing that happened in the gold/silver age of comics when everything was more over the top and they gave superman alot of (weird) powers. I think most of those powers have been revoked now.
His powers aren't immediatly gone when he's not near a yellow sun, but it is true he can't survive for very long in space without his powers.

But wishing away both their powers? That just misses the whole point of the debate. It's about which powerfull alien would win because of all their powers and techniques.
User avatar #353 - ninjagaiden (05/14/2014) [-]
The dragon balls are a power and their alien. It makes the whole thing a lot more interesting if you ask me.

Superman is stronger than the Hulk... Until the hulk starts building up steam. It's possible for Superman to put Hulk down before he becomes too angry. That's the source of the Hulks powers. Infinite rage. Thor compares him to a god.

1v1, all powers intact, no outside interference... Just Goku and Superman out in a desert.

Goku is faster. (instant transmission. doesn't matter how faster Superman can fly or run. It takes TIME for Superman to do anything. Goku takes time out of the equation. So Goku is faster.)

Superman is stronger. Even a die hard Dragon Ball Z fan can see that Superman is stronger. There really isn't an argument here. Goku is DAMN strong though.

I'm not sure if Superman would be weak against the Ki Blasts the DBZ world is so famous for. They are not "magical" attacks. Ki is inner life force.

Goku is the better fighter. No question. Superman grew up being an indecisive pussy, hiding his powers and never being formally trained in his early years. I'm sure Superman learned to fight in the future... But Goku has been training and fighting since he could talk.

It would be a fight, that's for sure. I think SSJ2 form is all that is needed to defeat Superman.
User avatar #354 - redblueyellow (05/14/2014) [-]
I think in hand to hand combat, Goku has more techniques (although I believe Superman has been trained by Batman in hand to hand combat, but I don't think it really compares to Goku's skills) and therefore has an advantage in evading hits.
However, I think Superman in raw strenght would beat goku. Superman landing a direct hit on goku would do more damage than goku hitting Superman. This is also because I think Superman is more durable than Goku.
But I think Goku has en advantage with his energy attacks. I don't think Supermans invulnerability covers pure energy, so with a strong enough attack (spirit bomb) Goku could defeat superman like he did with kid buu or cell.
#78 - I think Goku could hold his own against Superman in terms of s… 05/13/2014 on Goku Facts Part 2 0
#77 - He didn't forget to use the kaio-ken, he chooses never to use …  [+] (4 new replies) 05/13/2014 on Goku Facts Part 2 0
#90 - mamenber (05/13/2014) [-]
I don't know much about filler characters, but Goku probably said that even in manga. Goku would use it if he felt like he had to though (for example his first fight against Vegeta).
BTW, I just realised that Picollo destroyed moon when his power level was less then 1,000. This means that to destroy the Earth, you would need power level less than 3,500. This would mean that Goku could probably destroy the Sun, and since Supermans energy comes from the sun, Goku would probably be able to overpower him. I am not sure about this, so correct me if I'm wong.
User avatar #94 - redblueyellow (05/13/2014) [-]
I don't think destroying the sun would benefit anybody, so i don't think Goku would do that. If he would actually be able to do it isnt clear. He did fire both cooler and baby into the sun and didn't destroy it. But it isn't clear if he used his full power.
However, we must also consider that the earth, moon and sun are all made up of different materials. The moon is just a rock, which wouldn't be difficult to break. The earth is bigger than the moon with a different core, but it has been stated that numerous characters could destroy the earth so I'll assume goke can too (easily).

However, the sun is made up of pure energy, so I don't know if a kamehameha on the sun would have the same effect as it would have on the earth. My guess is that the energy the sun produces and emits is too powerfull for an energybeam to destabilize and destroy. Also as if stated before, it would benefit nobody since the explosion alone would destroy everybody (seeing as piccolo died from the explosion the earth produces).
#96 - mamenber (05/13/2014) [-]
What I actually meant was that Superman gets his power from Sun (right?), and since he can't get more energy than the Sun has, it would be enough to prove that Goku can destroy the Sun, but you are right. Also, Picollo, while destroying moon, did not have time to charge his attack, so I guess that his power level was 400-800. That would mean that Goku could destroy moon, maybe even if it had two times more mass than Sun. Considering this, I think it would be draw.
User avatar #98 - redblueyellow (05/13/2014) [-]
I think that goku, with an energy attack strong enough like the spiritbomb or a very strong kamehameha, could disintegrate (like cell or kid buu) Superman and win. I do not think he could beat superman to death, so Goku needs to rely on his energy skills.
#75 - Yeah but then Goku wouldn't beat Superman by strength alone, a…  [+] (12 new replies) 05/13/2014 on Goku Facts Part 2 +1
User avatar #79 - ninjagaiden (05/13/2014) [-]
The "goku would want to win with his own strength" argument pisses me off. He has, literally, won battles because of the Dragon Balls. He has won numerous fights with dirty tactics.

What Goku has is honor.

Goku is basically Superman without limits. I mean just think about that for a second...

Superman needs a yellow sun for all his powers, Kryptonite makes him deathly ill... Goku's only weakness is, theoretically, his family and friends. Which are all more powerful then 90% of the DC universe.

So yeah, without question, if I was Goku... I would just punch Superman into another solar system super far from any sort of sun and just whoop his ass. If he tried to escape instant transmission bitch. Also, while this is happening I would have tasked Gohan to retrieve the dragon balls just in case I needed to wish Superman human.
User avatar #83 - redblueyellow (05/13/2014) [-]
When in DBZ has he won with the Dragonballs? The only time I can think of, is when he uses it against kid buu to wish all the people of earth back to life for the spirit bomb. And technically, that wasn't even his idea, but Vegeta's. He doesn't use dirty tactics. Saying he uses dirty tactics and that he has honor is a paradox.

And Goku obviously has weaknesses. Unlike superman, he can die from a heart disease. He isn't practically impenetrable like superman. A sword or laser-eyes when he's not paying attention and he's dead. Battling too long in super sayian 3 form costs too much energy.

Look, I get that you want Goku to win, and I want that too, but you've got to be reasonable about superman's abilities.

And again, asking gohan to retrieve the dragonballs and then wishing superman to be human isn't fair and Goku wouldn't do that UNLESS Superman would seriously want to destroy the earth.

And you can't just punch superman into another solar system. If we're fichting in the dbz universe we can't even assume there is a red sun anywhere.
User avatar #87 - ninjagaiden (05/13/2014) [-]
Goku bites and shoots Kamehameha from his feet. Kinda dirty.

I was counting that wish. It's really the only one that helps him defeat someone. I don't care that it was Vegetas idea.

Goku would always notice a lazer beam. No question. He got Goku sense like Spider sense. Also he can sense power levels. He'd notice a large spike in power coming from his 6 oclock.

Goku is a God. End argument queue red super saiyan hair.
User avatar #92 - redblueyellow (05/13/2014) [-]
You can't just end the argument. The biting is hardly an effective tactic since it is only used so his opponent will let him go and for comic relief. Shooting kamehameha's from his feet is an ability, not a dirty tactic. Just because something is unexpected doesn't mean it's a dirty tactic.

"I don't care that it was vegeta's idea". Good way to counter an argument. If vegeta wasn't smart enough to come up with that idea, Goku would've died. Also, Goku isn't known for his smarts, so assuming he could come up with the idea of wishing supermans powers away is a long shot. And you'd have to consider if it is within shenron/porunga's powers to grant that wish.

He doesn't have "Goku sense". Yes, he can sense energy and could probably use that to avoid the lasers, but he doesn't have a built in goku sense.

Goku as Super Sayian God couldn't win from Bills, so assuming that form is all powerfull is just outright wrong. And in the fight with bills he could've used your master plan to gather the dragonballs and make bills powerless, but he didn't, so why would he do that with superman?
#235 - kez (05/14/2014) [-]
Just to let you know.

Shenron doesnt cast any wish.

He casts any wish within his power, which is the power of his creator at the time. So some wishes like removing powers from super strong people isnt possible for him, thats why it never happens, and why he cant just kill strong people as a wish
User avatar #104 - kjftiger (05/13/2014) [-]
I agree with your argument, but if the dragons wish is considered "magical" than it would definitely work on Superman, due to his vulnerability to magic. Other than that the fight could possibly go either way depending on the circumstances.
User avatar #99 - ninjagaiden (05/13/2014) [-]
I don't think the dragon balls work against Bills. Him being a god and all. I need to rewatch that movie, because I don't remember Goku losing.

I totally think it's within the dragons powers to turn Superman into a human.

I'm pretty sure Vegeta would be there during the fight between Goku and Superman. So would all the other Z fighters. They're all ways there. I'd bet money that Krillin would somehow die as well.

Goku is known for his smarts, he's just not mentally "quick". Goku is actually a genius. I couldn't cite you a specific episode, I just know he was assigned a task (in the original dragon ball anime) to complete a blacksmith puzzle. Some super hard rubiks cube kinda thing. It took Goku all day and all night but he figured it out and surprised whoever gave him the task. So yeah, Goku is smart. Not as scientifically smart as Superman but smart all the same.

If you want the truth... If this fight was an episode they wouldn't even fight. Somehow the dragon balls would be brought up and Superman could wish his entire planet back to life with all the inhabitants restored to life.

So Goku wins through pure virtue.
User avatar #102 - redblueyellow (05/13/2014) [-]
Goku loses most of his ssg powers very quick and can hold his own for a very short time against bills. However, in the end goku realizes he is no match for bills and admits it, thus effectively losing the battle. In the end everyone only survives because bills likes pudding.

I'm not saying goku is dumb, but other than the kamehamehafeet like tactics, ideas aren't really his thing. That's what vegeta is known for. And this is a fight between goku and superman. Not goku and friends vs the justice league. So even if vegeta was present, he would not aid goku in the fight in any way.

It seems to me that you rely on the dragonballs way too much. I can imagine that goku would use them if the earth really was in danger and it was his only option, but that's not the point here. The whole discussion is about who would win in sparring match. Is one of them strong enough to destroy the other? The dragonballs, kryptonite and red sun don't matter in this discussion, because it would give one of the contestants an unfair advantage. It's also very probable that superman could destroy at least one dragonball, thus making them useless.

However, I do think Goku could win. Not in terms of raw strength, since superman seems to posses an endless quantity of that, but in energy attacks. I believe that if goku could somehow use the spirit bomb or an extremely powerfull kamehameha, he would destroy superman in the same manner as kid buu and cell were.
User avatar #126 - ninjagaiden (05/13/2014) [-]
I'm only relying on the dragon balls because that's what I'd do.

I'm sure Goku would just laugh and be happy another strong person has showed up. I don't have to worry about Superman being evil either.

The only fair way to find a winner is to summon the dragon and wish that both of them were human. Then they can fight it out 1v1 without any advantages from alien origin. However, doing this will still render Superman at a disadvantage because Goku has been training his whole life and knows techniques to raise his power (kaoi ken). Superman would have non of this... Superman would still be big and strong, but I've never thought of Superman as a perfect fighter, you know, a Bruce Lee (goku) type. In this way Goku wins 10 out of 10

With powers in tact... I firmly believe that with one punch Goku could break Supermans neck.

I also hate Superman. I don't think he's cool at all. He's just an alien in the right solar system. On Krypton Krillin could beat him mercilessly.

Flying into a long dead universe just to sneeze? Yeah sorry, unless that long dead universe had a yellow sun (long dead universe so I'm assuming no yellow sun) he would have died instantly just from being in outer space. Linking up entire planetary systems via a giant chain so he can pull them into a better orbit? How obscene.

Here is my accepted version of Superman:

He is not as strong as the hulk. He does start out stronger though.
He is not as fast as the flash.
He cannot travel into the past (or future) using only his own power.
He cannot punch something so hard that it creates a supernova.
He cannot survive in space without a yellow sun close enough to empower him.

And finally... Superman was beaten to death by Doomsday... Basically a sentient diamond killing machine. If Superman is going to die to Doomsday, then he would die to Goku.
User avatar #335 - redblueyellow (05/14/2014) [-]
I actually believe Superman is stronger than the hulk, but that whole thing is uncertain.
I agree he is not as fast as the flash, on foot. Superman flight ability makes him faster in that area since, well the flash can't fly.
I agree with you on the punching and timetraveling thing, though I'm guessing that happened in the gold/silver age of comics when everything was more over the top and they gave superman alot of (weird) powers. I think most of those powers have been revoked now.
His powers aren't immediatly gone when he's not near a yellow sun, but it is true he can't survive for very long in space without his powers.

But wishing away both their powers? That just misses the whole point of the debate. It's about which powerfull alien would win because of all their powers and techniques.
User avatar #353 - ninjagaiden (05/14/2014) [-]
The dragon balls are a power and their alien. It makes the whole thing a lot more interesting if you ask me.

Superman is stronger than the Hulk... Until the hulk starts building up steam. It's possible for Superman to put Hulk down before he becomes too angry. That's the source of the Hulks powers. Infinite rage. Thor compares him to a god.

1v1, all powers intact, no outside interference... Just Goku and Superman out in a desert.

Goku is faster. (instant transmission. doesn't matter how faster Superman can fly or run. It takes TIME for Superman to do anything. Goku takes time out of the equation. So Goku is faster.)

Superman is stronger. Even a die hard Dragon Ball Z fan can see that Superman is stronger. There really isn't an argument here. Goku is DAMN strong though.

I'm not sure if Superman would be weak against the Ki Blasts the DBZ world is so famous for. They are not "magical" attacks. Ki is inner life force.

Goku is the better fighter. No question. Superman grew up being an indecisive pussy, hiding his powers and never being formally trained in his early years. I'm sure Superman learned to fight in the future... But Goku has been training and fighting since he could talk.

It would be a fight, that's for sure. I think SSJ2 form is all that is needed to defeat Superman.
User avatar #354 - redblueyellow (05/14/2014) [-]
I think in hand to hand combat, Goku has more techniques (although I believe Superman has been trained by Batman in hand to hand combat, but I don't think it really compares to Goku's skills) and therefore has an advantage in evading hits.
However, I think Superman in raw strenght would beat goku. Superman landing a direct hit on goku would do more damage than goku hitting Superman. This is also because I think Superman is more durable than Goku.
But I think Goku has en advantage with his energy attacks. I don't think Supermans invulnerability covers pure energy, so with a strong enough attack (spirit bomb) Goku could defeat superman like he did with kid buu or cell.
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User avatar #114 - monsieurhonkhonk (05/05/2014) [-]
Just because the word doesn't apply to them doesn't mean they don't have a right to ask you to not say it around them. I'm not Hispanic, but I wouldn't want to hear someone calling someone who is a wetback or a beaner.
#68 - Ken M (05/05/2014) [-]
next time they object "well if that ain't just like the white man. trying to oppress people because they aren't as "progressive"."
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#184 - Ken M (05/04/2014) [-]
Boba fett is pretty much the dead pool of star wars
User avatar #280 - huntergriff (05/04/2014) [-]
not really...
User avatar #34 - gurubear (05/03/2014) [-]
Jedi In Chief | Robot Chicken | Adult Swim


Have you seen this? Is gold!
User avatar #35 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
Check the ones about Yareal Poof. I could listen to that for hours!
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User avatar #31 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
true.
#28 - Yeah his death was kinda lame. I mean, he was killed by Samuel…  [+] (3 new replies) 05/03/2014 on Star Wars Episode VII 0
User avatar #29 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
meh...to be fair it was a blaster vs a lightsaber duel.
User avatar #30 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
He deserved a better death. But then again, it gave Boba a vengeful, go-fuck-yourself attitude that made him the greatest bounty hunter ever, so thats a plus
User avatar #31 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
true.
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User avatar #27 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
damn right, shame about jango though, i personally feel he should have survived longer than one episode.
User avatar #28 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
Yeah his death was kinda lame. I mean, he was killed by Samuel L. Jackson, but still, it was over way too fast.
User avatar #29 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
meh...to be fair it was a blaster vs a lightsaber duel.
User avatar #30 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
He deserved a better death. But then again, it gave Boba a vengeful, go-fuck-yourself attitude that made him the greatest bounty hunter ever, so thats a plus
User avatar #31 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
true.
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User avatar #25 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
indeed.
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User avatar #130 - ifightdragons (05/04/2014) [-]
i want him to escape i just hope its done well that way seems like a huge cliche
User avatar #23 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
hopefully. hell, lucas even said had he known how popular fett was going to be, he would have put in an extra clip of fett climbing out of the sarlaac.
#26 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
Boba Fett masterrace.

The guy is a fucking walking history book who can almost rival Yoda. From the clone wars to the Yuuzhan Vong and still kicking.
User avatar #27 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
damn right, shame about jango though, i personally feel he should have survived longer than one episode.
User avatar #28 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
Yeah his death was kinda lame. I mean, he was killed by Samuel L. Jackson, but still, it was over way too fast.
User avatar #29 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
meh...to be fair it was a blaster vs a lightsaber duel.
User avatar #30 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
He deserved a better death. But then again, it gave Boba a vengeful, go-fuck-yourself attitude that made him the greatest bounty hunter ever, so thats a plus
User avatar #31 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
true.
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User avatar #32 - gurubear (05/03/2014) [-]
Fett's Back From the Dead | Robot Chicken | Adult Swim

Thanks for the tip
#33 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
Aaah, I love how they portrayed Boba.
#184 - Ken M (05/04/2014) [-]
Boba fett is pretty much the dead pool of star wars
User avatar #280 - huntergriff (05/04/2014) [-]
not really...
User avatar #34 - gurubear (05/03/2014) [-]
Jedi In Chief | Robot Chicken | Adult Swim


Have you seen this? Is gold!
User avatar #35 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
Check the ones about Yareal Poof. I could listen to that for hours!
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User avatar #21 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
yeah...it saddens me as well, but still, new beginning.
User avatar #24 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
Yeah, as I said before, I understand and I hope it can continue to be an inspiration for a new generation of star wars fans. But I don't think the new movies can replace my love for the EU.
User avatar #25 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
indeed.
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User avatar #18 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
yeah...also the clone commando stuff should still be canon, they basically only said the stuff after the original trilogy ended is just getting cut, and again in my other comment, they said story elements from the EU could appear, as is the case with star wars: rebels, which has a bunch of stuff from the EU appearing, like sienar fleet systems, the people who designed the TIE Fighters and stuff.. hell, even coruscant and kashyyyk's names were taken from the EU, so...I mean at any point in the new trilogy they could mention stuff, like for example say luke makes a comment about how something is similar to the thrawn campaign or something. anything's possible
User avatar #22 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
I hope they at least make some refferences to it. Would be a shame if it were completely forgotten.

If they end episode 7 with a clip after the credits of the sarlacc blowing up and a fist of a certain mandalorian bounty hunter reaching out of the hole, all is forgiven.
User avatar #130 - ifightdragons (05/04/2014) [-]
i want him to escape i just hope its done well that way seems like a huge cliche
User avatar #23 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
hopefully. hell, lucas even said had he known how popular fett was going to be, he would have put in an extra clip of fett climbing out of the sarlaac.
#26 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
Boba Fett masterrace.

The guy is a fucking walking history book who can almost rival Yoda. From the clone wars to the Yuuzhan Vong and still kicking.
User avatar #27 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
damn right, shame about jango though, i personally feel he should have survived longer than one episode.
User avatar #28 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
Yeah his death was kinda lame. I mean, he was killed by Samuel L. Jackson, but still, it was over way too fast.
User avatar #29 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
meh...to be fair it was a blaster vs a lightsaber duel.
User avatar #30 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
He deserved a better death. But then again, it gave Boba a vengeful, go-fuck-yourself attitude that made him the greatest bounty hunter ever, so thats a plus
User avatar #31 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
true.
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User avatar #10 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
hence why I put bullshit in quotes...almost every post i've seen involving the EU on this site, people call it shit...which I honestly don't see why everyone does that...
User avatar #15 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
Really? Wel the Eu is pretty big so maybe they read a bad part of it. I read the Legacy of the Force saga and loved every bit of it. I never got my hands on any of the Yuuzhan Vong stuff, so I don't know how that went. And I loved Karin Traviss Clone Commando books. I f they destroyed that I'm going to kill someone.

But I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one surprised at the "Eu is bullshit" thing.
User avatar #18 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
yeah...also the clone commando stuff should still be canon, they basically only said the stuff after the original trilogy ended is just getting cut, and again in my other comment, they said story elements from the EU could appear, as is the case with star wars: rebels, which has a bunch of stuff from the EU appearing, like sienar fleet systems, the people who designed the TIE Fighters and stuff.. hell, even coruscant and kashyyyk's names were taken from the EU, so...I mean at any point in the new trilogy they could mention stuff, like for example say luke makes a comment about how something is similar to the thrawn campaign or something. anything's possible
User avatar #22 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
I hope they at least make some refferences to it. Would be a shame if it were completely forgotten.

If they end episode 7 with a clip after the credits of the sarlacc blowing up and a fist of a certain mandalorian bounty hunter reaching out of the hole, all is forgiven.
User avatar #130 - ifightdragons (05/04/2014) [-]
i want him to escape i just hope its done well that way seems like a huge cliche
User avatar #23 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
hopefully. hell, lucas even said had he known how popular fett was going to be, he would have put in an extra clip of fett climbing out of the sarlaac.
#26 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
Boba Fett masterrace.

The guy is a fucking walking history book who can almost rival Yoda. From the clone wars to the Yuuzhan Vong and still kicking.
User avatar #27 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
damn right, shame about jango though, i personally feel he should have survived longer than one episode.
User avatar #28 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
Yeah his death was kinda lame. I mean, he was killed by Samuel L. Jackson, but still, it was over way too fast.
User avatar #29 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
meh...to be fair it was a blaster vs a lightsaber duel.
User avatar #30 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
He deserved a better death. But then again, it gave Boba a vengeful, go-fuck-yourself attitude that made him the greatest bounty hunter ever, so thats a plus
User avatar #31 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
true.
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#342 - selfdenyingbeggar (06/18/2014) [-]
What is the expanded universe?
User avatar #351 - redblueyellow (06/18/2014) [-]
The Expanded Universe (EU) are all the stories related to Star Wars outside of the six Star Wars films. This includes comic books, videogames (KotOR) and novels. I believe most of the expanded universe takes place after episode VI and revolves around Luke and the others.
User avatar #296 - hellomynameisbill (05/04/2014) [-]
My main criticism is the fact of how much important information exists only within the expanded universe. the characters' entire lives are played out and detailed in the extended universe to the point in which most of the movies' current plot would be useless without it. there is so much crucial plot in the EU that without it, an entirely new trilogy would be filled with plotholes considering that the current 6 films align with the EU. also, if they renounce all of it as canon, they would have to rewrite EVERYTHING. millions of story items suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced
#206 - sedativechunk (05/04/2014) [-]
... Why is Darth Vader flying on Charizard over Caprica?
#205 - sedativechunk (05/04/2014) [-]
I have nothing against the novels/expanded universe. With that being said, anyone who knows anything about the movie industry should know by now that film studios almost never follow the expanded universe of books. Don't act so disappointed. With the exception of movies like LOTR and Harry Potter which were based off of books, film studios just don't really give a crap about the expanded universe.

One of the reasons being I heard was because of legal reasons. The studios don't want to deal with rights and royalties to those who wrote the Star Wars books. Also they want to surprise the audience with storylines and plots, they don't want to tell stories that people know how they are going to end already. Personally, I have avoided the books as number one, I figured there would never be an official movie based off any of them and number two, one of them has Luke Skywalker joining the dark side which is just ridiculous.

I enjoyed the games, though, especially the old republic with the Darth Baras story line.
User avatar #321 - snowshark (05/04/2014) [-]
That's true for me too. In fairness, what they've said doesn't mean the EU is gone, rather that it's not how things are going to play out. Just like with the Marvel movies they're going their own way with the source material which is for the best.
User avatar #192 - KINGOFTHESTARS (05/04/2014) [-]
I hope that jar jar faggot isnt involved
User avatar #199 - huntergriff (05/04/2014) [-]
in fact he probably died of old age by this time.
User avatar #198 - huntergriff (05/04/2014) [-]
he won't.
#139 - cityoftroy (05/04/2014) [-]
I probably shouldn't weigh in on the subject having not read the particular works of EU i'm about to mention, but to me, most of it seems to be glorified fan fiction. I really enjoy some of the EU books that go with the prequel trilogy, but it's the EU where authors were able to take more liberty with their writing, mainly the EU taking place after Return of the Jedi. Like someone just happening to find Luke's hand and cloning him from that, Palpatine getting resurrected, or Chewie getting crushed by a falling moon. As I said, I haven't read these particular works, and I probably should before criticizing them out of context, but based on those alone, it sounds like fan fiction sold to the public, in which case I'm thrilled it's not considered canon.
User avatar #120 - logiblack (05/04/2014) [-]
Did they ever say that the EU is dead?
I thought they only said, that they consider only the movies as canon.
That doesn't "un"canon the EU, if they don't conflict with any of the movies.

There may be a chance that they avoid touching the subject.
We just don't have to expect a reference to anything.
I mean if the kids of the main cast appear again, and keep their names, then there may be hope!
If they really wanted to fuck the EU they would just create complete new characters with complete new names.
#125 - Ken M (05/04/2014) [-]
they said EU will no longer be treated as canon
User avatar #129 - huntergriff (05/04/2014) [-]
Except they didn't say that either.

They said that the stories that take place post-return of the jedi, are being ignored.
#91 - azraelthemage (05/03/2014) [-]
On the bright side, it's only the stuff Post Return of the Jedi. On the Dark side Heh , MOST of the EU was Post RotJ.
#49 - CakemanRPG (05/03/2014) [-]
Me too. I'm especially pissed that disney declared badass characters like starkiller to have never existed.
#53 - angelusprimus (05/03/2014) [-]
Starkiller is still canon.
So is KOTOR.
User avatar #54 - CakemanRPG (05/03/2014) [-]
You have no idea how happy you just made me knowing that impossibly powerful jedis like him are capable of existing in the star wars universe
User avatar #57 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
anakin and luke...>.> All i'm saying. Also yoda.
#55 - angelusprimus (05/03/2014) [-]
He is simply extremely focused on his telekinesis.
Luke is far more powerful, so was Yoda.
User avatar #52 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
honestly, the media likes to twist things out of preportion, even if it's just something like this. :/
User avatar #51 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
actually since TFU takes place during the movies, and given that they never actually said the games were non canon with the exception of the jedi knight games and that they actually said that the post ROTJ stuff is not canon, it's likely starkiller is still canon.
#314 - snowshark (05/04/2014) [-]
Nnnnope. Sorry. They're not.

Pisses me off too but I played the games because I loved the games, not because I wanted to see the games have an impact on the movies. The books and games are as canon as you want them to be in your head so smile, bend over, and take that cock like a good little fanboy.

(As we all must.)
User avatar #317 - huntergriff (05/04/2014) [-]
"In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe. While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded. Creators of new Star Wars entertainment have full access to the rich content of the Expanded Universe. For example, elements of the EU are included in Star Wars Rebels. The Inquisitor, the Imperial Security Bureau, and Sienar Fleet Systems are story elements in the new animated series, and all these ideas find their origins in roleplaying game material published in the 1980s."

starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page.html
User avatar #320 - snowshark (05/04/2014) [-]
Ah, I see where the misunderstanding happened here.

No, the only things in the currently observed canon are:

Episodes I through VI. The Clone Wars series. The Rebels Series.

Everything else has been put under the banner of 'Star Wars: Legends'.

"Demand for past tales of the Expanded Universe will keep them in print, presented under the new Legends banner."

They're still going to be around but they exist within the Legends section which is made up of everything outside of the movies/t.v. series. The move was made so that the mainstream audience can approach the films with fresh eyes.

Now, just because the EU is no longer canon doesn't mean it's all untrue. Just because it isn't canon doesn't mean it didn't happen or it will definitely remain non-canon. Things like this have happened in the past and things considered non-canon have been re-canonised based on fan-feedback. What is more, everything that is in the EU is simply material for the new movies and the new canon to build off of. Similarly to how the Marvel Movies take a lot of inspiration from the comics, but don't necessarily follow them to the letter the same will be true of the new canon.

Disney want a clean slate so they can build a more coherent and marketable narrative out of it. It is a shame but that's just how things are. The Star Wars canon is as wide and vast as that of Dr. Who (though far more coherent) and Disney don't want to be tied down by that. They want to tell the story anew. Fresh eyes. Writing for a different medium with different needs.

I'm glad they've done what they've done because it means the movies are more free to be their own thing and they've presented it in a way that shows they don't disregard all that came before, rather they are going their own way with it all.
#323 - huntergriff (05/04/2014) [-]
eh...I'm still adamant about things taking place before and in between the prequels being canon, i mean...a lot of the pre-phantom stuff doesn't really start being relevant to the movies until the grand plan takes place, which starts around 1000 BBY.
User avatar #324 - snowshark (05/04/2014) [-]
Hence why I mentioned re-canonisation. As it stands they're non-canon but there's no reason many of the games shouldn't come back into the canon. We'll see with time but as it stands they're not canon.

It's probably just to make it easier to write the movies they want to write and, in time, they can add/subtract what they want/need to out of the VG/novel pool. Personally I'm fine with it this way. They still happened in my headcanon which is what matters to me. If the movies trample over the EU canon I won't raise a storm. It's still there. It still happened. It's just alternate-universe stuff now and I'm okay with that.

Besides, this way we get to see film-version re-tellings of various EU things that happened pre-New Hope.
User avatar #315 - huntergriff (05/04/2014) [-]
yes. It is. they literally said this on their website.
#37 - thewulfman (05/03/2014) [-]
#36 - thenewerbooks (05/03/2014) [-]
what does the Expanded Universe mean is it the star wars lore or the adding of more lore or what?
User avatar #40 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
it's actually both, the universe spans 24000 years before the movies, and...until now 137 years after the 6th movie.
User avatar #39 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
yes it's the star wars lore.
#42 - thenewerbooks (05/03/2014) [-]
Thanks for the info, Too bad they won't add more lore, the last time i checked the last star wars lore post thing the lore was pretty interesting and detailed
User avatar #48 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
Most books and comic books are post Return of the Jedi (I believe) and games like KotOR are the reason why the EU before RoTJ spans 24000 before. So the last one is less detailed and more a general timeline, while post episode 6 is quite detailed and contains alot of stories revolving around luke, han and leia.
User avatar #45 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
honestly this whole thing is quite convoluted :/
User avatar #43 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
they are adding to the lore still...The old post ROTJ stuff (Thrawn, YV War, etc) is taking place in an alternate universe, similar to marvel's shit. The new stuff is going to be completely canon.
User avatar #14 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
and when I say story elements, i mean at any point, any of the characters can mention the Y-V war, and all that crap.

and honestly they only did it so that the new movie would be completely new.
User avatar #11 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
it's just the post jedi EU...and even then, story elements are still going to be around.
User avatar #17 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
I know it's stull going to be around, it just saddens me a bit to think it's won't play a big role at all in the new movies. I mean if they decide to scrap one of the Solo kids, a big part of the EU wouldn't make sense.

I get that they wanted a sort of fresh start, and I can't blame them since the EU is so big and detailed that it would be impossible to make a good film adaptation, but it still saddans me.
User avatar #21 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
yeah...it saddens me as well, but still, new beginning.
User avatar #24 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
Yeah, as I said before, I understand and I hope it can continue to be an inspiration for a new generation of star wars fans. But I don't think the new movies can replace my love for the EU.
User avatar #25 - huntergriff (05/03/2014) [-]
indeed.
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#110 - Ken M (05/03/2014) [-]
as vegeta once said
power levels are bullshit
User avatar #108 - oodlesandoodles (05/03/2014) [-]
You're absolutely right
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#41 - Lmaoplanes (05/03/2014) [-]
Krillin was stronger than any saiyan before they got decimated when he was in Namek...
User avatar #27 - oodlesandoodles (05/03/2014) [-]
The key phrase there being "at least low level saiyans"
User avatar #88 - redblueyellow (05/03/2014) [-]
What I mean with that is that with enough training, humans would be able to easily outclass low level sayians, like raditz. Krillin, Tien and probably even Yamcha have surpassed Raditz and maybe even Nappa/Vegeta's power level in the Namek Saga. Seeing as Nappa and Vegeta were elites among the sayians, it can be assumed that krillin would be able to defeat most, if not all sayians.

If you look at Tien, it is shown he could slow down Semi-perfect cell for some time. While not dealing any real damage, this was an impressive feat. Android 18 didn't stand a chance againt impefect cell, so there's a good chance Tien's neo-tri-beam could have done quite some harm to her. 18 easily defeated super sayian vegeta, so we may conclude from this that at one point Tien and maybe krillin were on par or slightly below the power level of a super sayian (Goku and Vegeta quickly outclassed them ofcourse). But assuming the other saiyans can't magically turn super sayian, I think humans (again with a training similar to Tien and krillin) could hold their own against a sayian invasion.
#110 - Ken M (05/03/2014) [-]
as vegeta once said
power levels are bullshit
User avatar #108 - oodlesandoodles (05/03/2014) [-]
You're absolutely right

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I´m sorry, but this isn´t my skyrim. It´s just a picture I found on the internet. I wish I could help you. I do know alot of people in the comment section posted links to several mods.
User avatar #20 to #19 - jetanotheranon (11/23/2012) [-]
Bummer
#15 - hasselaar (06/17/2012) [-]
Beste moment van de show tot nu toe.
Beste moment van de show tot nu toe.
User avatar #17 to #15 - redblueyellow (06/17/2012) [-]
En fking saved
User avatar #16 to #15 - redblueyellow (06/17/2012) [-]
Ben net klaar met kijken! Aflevering was echt vet. Wel kut dat Lin haar bending kwijt is. Maar motherfocking Iroh komt met een heel leger. Facking baas! Dezelfde stemacteur als Zuko ook.
#13 - hasselaar (05/30/2012) [-]
Nerdgasm?
Nerdgasm.
#10 - lemoutonvert (05/28/2012) [-]
Hey, do I need to hit you with a car before you go on a date with me?
User avatar #11 to #10 - redblueyellow (05/28/2012) [-]
Are you an aribender? 'Cause you are fly!
#12 to #11 - lemoutonvert (05/28/2012) [-]
are you an earthbender, cause your moving something hard in my pants.
User avatar #2 - trollsinmycloset (12/11/2011) [-]
Good work my minion. You have pleased me quite a bit. It does not matter if her 'talent' and 'emotion' are no longer a part of her then that does not matter. Be sure to grab Robert Pattinson and Taylor Lautner as well. We could use their fan bases to 'capture' more members.

As for the spy, good job, but work quickly. We do not want this spy to spread the word about what we were up to, now do we?

I apologize for not being easy to reach, as I do not frequent this site very often. I shall make note to check it every day. What I do use more often is Skype or MSN. I tend to use these forms of communication daily. As well as websites other than this one.
User avatar #3 to #2 - redblueyellow (12/12/2011) [-]
I shall collect their souls master.

Master, I have important news. I have discovered our spy. I was horrified to find out, but not completely surprised. It was none other then one of ou own, one among the council: Ron Weasley.
What should I do with him, my master?
User avatar #4 to #3 - trollsinmycloset (12/14/2011) [-]
Good job my loyal Soul Taker. I have found that I can rely on you quite well these days. You have done well.

As for Ron Weasley, the council shall seek to confront him on this matter. Shall the council feel that punishment is necessary, they shall do as they see fit. If he was only spying to learn information, that will be fine, he will never leave the organization with that information... But if he had been spying with the intent of spreading information about the inner workings of the cult, then he shall be taken care of.

Go forth, my pet. Make me proud. >:)
User avatar #5 to #4 - redblueyellow (12/19/2011) [-]
Master, I started my hunt for he who is called Taylor Lautner. However, due to leaked information, he knew I was coming, so he fled to Peru. It is quite difficult to locate him here, for he has hid himself between the alpaca's. It is quite a challenge to keep him apart from these animals. However, I will catch him, do not worry. I will not fail.

What is the progress in the Weasly case, my lord?
User avatar #6 to #5 - trollsinmycloset (12/23/2011) [-]
Weasley has been found guilty of betraying the High Counsel. He is to be stripped of his honour and his position. He will be confined in our dungeons for some time while we repair for a memory re-write and a reassignment of his talents.

As for Taylor Lautner, keep going strong my pet. I know that you are the only one who can accomplish this task. *kisses cheek* I trust you will use your enthusiasm at my pleased disposition to work towards completing your assignments. Be quick my pet. :)
User avatar #1 - trollsinmycloset (12/06/2011) [-]
Thank you very much, my minion. I am quite pleased. While cleansing a soul is difficult, I am required to know how to perform such a task for my post as Soul Keeper.
One day, when you are more experienced and well trained, you shall learn this technique as well.
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