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#44267 - My entire life I've been a christian because that's what my gr…  [+] (20 new replies) 10/23/2013 on Religion Board 0
User avatar #44283 - darkrighteosnight (10/23/2013) [-]
I would suggest that you sit down and think, and if you feel like it pray.

now, i would like to tell you a few things. first off, you should not be a Christian because others tell you so, or threaten you with hell. It should be because you want to be a Christian. And please do not pretend to be a Christian just to appease your parents and grand parents, otherwise you may grow to despise all of it and will probably never even consider going back.

there is nothing wrong with questioning the bible. question the hell out of it. "7 Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened." Mathew 7:7-8 If you have questions ask them. find the answers. If you truly do not agree with the Bible, there are three courses of action you can take. 1 you can change it. Christianity is based on change of tradition. The rules have probably become out dated. Or 2 leave it behind you. 3 (i do not recommend) continue on and ignore it.

Something you may like to know is that i opinionated that it is not that people go to hell for not following God, but because of all the crap that they have pulled through life. They are judged for what they knowingly did wrong, not what they did unknowingly. If you have never known of god, or just don't know about him, you will probably not be judged on that aspect.
this is my opinion on the matter any way.

Oh, and you will probably find that whether you remain or not, you yourself will be affected very little. unless you decide to flip out and become an asshole/ignorantsonO'bitch.
User avatar #44271 - eight (10/23/2013) [-]
You basically just described the story of my life. As well as millions upon millions of others.

Simply put, you are not alone.

There are even members of the clergy who no longer believe, but because it has been their lifes work and career, are stuck preaching something they don't agree with.

Indoctrination is very powerful and most don't ever get to the point you're at.

I'm not entirely sure how to help you without more specific questions. Really it is something that you have to handle on your own. It is a very slow process to change such core beliefs one way or another.
User avatar #44268 - Sethorein (10/23/2013) [-]
your perception of religion is an unhealthy one. I'm not here to make you an atheist, but if you view it as an "us or them" kind of thing you're not doing what jesus would like. Jesus doesn't want you condemning people to hell for not being christian, he wants you to be a good person and let God decide who goes to hell. Does that help?
User avatar #44273 - eight (10/23/2013) [-]
God has already decided who goes to hell. He has judged us all as deserving of hell.

But he has given us a way to have our sins forgiven. Through his only sons blood sacrifice, our sins are forever absorbed so long as we acknowledge his sacrifice, accept we are unworthy of heaven, and believe in God.

There is no final judgement. No pearly gates to be judged at. No asking for forgiveness after you die here on Earth. This is a commonly spread fluffy feel good idea. The truth is, you either believe or you burn. The way you live your life has no value to the lord, because you will never reach worthiness. You will never be sin-free. This is why God gave you a loop hole.
User avatar #44312 - revengeforfreeze (10/23/2013) [-]
That's calvinism you retard
User avatar #44321 - eight (10/23/2013) [-]
No, that's Christianity. If you take the Bible literally, that is what it claims.
User avatar #44274 - Sethorein (10/23/2013) [-]
that's nice, you cunt. I'm just trying to help a person not be a piece of shit like you. But hey if fucks like you are who get heaven, I'll happily roast.

Judgmental prick.
User avatar #44275 - eight (10/23/2013) [-]
I am not a judgmental prick. Nor a cunt. I too am trying to help him. But you were giving him a false view of what The Bible says, I was merely pointing out your mistake and explaining it in detail so as to not be misinterpreted.

I am definitely not getting into heaven (if it does happen to be real), because I am an Atheist. I do not believe in God.
User avatar #44276 - Sethorein (10/23/2013) [-]
Then you're an asshole without even being religious as an excuse.

Here's a fun fact: religion doesn't have to be anything. It doesn't. So if people want to keep their happy little placebo but be good people, you shouldn't tell them that they're not allowed to and in order to keep their happy pill they need to be assholes because you know what... maybe they like their happy pill a whole lot and seeing no other option, will become assholes so they can keep it. That's all you inspire with your spiteful crap.

Religion is bullshit. Why not make it bullshit that makes you nice.
User avatar #44313 - revengeforfreeze (10/23/2013) [-]
Religion is bullshit? I thuoght you ewre relatively tolerant of religion 0o
User avatar #44322 - Sethorein (10/23/2013) [-]
tolerance is not acceptance. It IS bullshit, but it's also something that a large portion of the population identifies with.
User avatar #44323 - revengeforfreeze (10/23/2013) [-]
I'd post that donut pic again but I cba

So you know what that means (I assume)

Even Judaism?
User avatar #44324 - Sethorein (10/23/2013) [-]
Yes, even judaism
User avatar #44277 - eight (10/23/2013) [-]
"Then you're an asshole without even being religious as an excuse. "
How exactly? As far as I can see, you are setting a very poor example of Atheism (if that is what you are). You are the only one being insulting here.

" So if people want to keep their happy little placebo but be good people, you shouldn't tell them that they're not allowed to and in order to keep their happy pill they need to be assholes because you know what... maybe they like their happy pill a whole lot and seeing no other option, will become assholes so they can keep it. That's all you inspire with your spiteful crap.
"

How am I an asshole exactly? And where exactly do I 'tell them that they're not allowed to?"

How is it spiteful? If you accept The Bible. If you accept Christianity, then you accept the above, or in theory, you are supposed Many do not for reasons that I believe are obvious.


User avatar #44278 - Sethorein (10/23/2013) [-]
I apologize, The sheer audacity of your original comment absolutely infuriated me as it represents everything I absolutely freaking despise about internet atheist warriors, hell bent on making religion into a demonic entity when all it is is some construct to make people feel content.

You told him there is no way that his God will ever allow him to not condemn all of his non-religious friends to hell. So he has no choice. He either leaves God or abandons his friends.

What I'm trying to get across is that if Christianity has shitty values, change the values. Don't tell someone they have no capacity to change a broken system. If they are so deeply entrenched in the system they'll just stay with it despite its flaws because they're more afraid of leaving it than staying with it in its flawed state. All you do by telling them they cannot change it is prevent them from trying to change it.

Wouldn't you prefer if christianity became better?
User avatar #44279 - eight (10/23/2013) [-]
"You told him there is no way that his God will ever allow him to not condemn all of his non-religious friends to hell. So he has no choice. He either leaves God or abandons his friends. "

I only repeated, not quoted directly, however, what The Bible claims if taken literally. It would appear he is one of the few Christians who actually understand that bit and don't sugar coat it with fluffy feel good ideas of a final judgement at the pearly white gates after death. This is why he is having difficulty with accepting his Atheist friend going to hell.

I agree it is unfortunate to be put in the position of having to choose one way or the other. But at some point, we all have to be honest with what we believe and that requires a decision.

"What I'm trying to get across is that if Christianity has shitty values, change the values"

In that case, The Bible should be thrown out entirely. Read a modern self help book. Much more informative, much more accurate, and without any of the supernatural claptrap.

" Don't tell someone they have no capacity to change a broken system. If they are so deeply entrenched in the system they'll just stay with it despite its flaws because they're more afraid of leaving it than staying with it in its flawed state."

In the case of The Bible, you can't change it. It is the inspired word of God, or so they believe. It is forever lasting, perfect and most importantly, law.

"Wouldn't you prefer if christianity became better? "

No. There is no way it could. It would no longer be Christianity. If there is something deeply wrong with it, I would prefer people to face and accept the truth, rather than to trade one delusion for another.

I want people to believe in as many true things as they possibly can. The truth isn't always fluffy feel good, but at least it makes us more aware, more intelligent and allows more rational decision making.
User avatar #44281 - Sethorein (10/23/2013) [-]
Dude... Here's a fun fact. Religious ideologies change over time.

Jews used to condemn gays as bad as the catholic church, now the reform sect marries gays, the conservatives let them be rabbis and even the orthodox won't condemn them and accept them in the congregation. The pope recently OK's condoms.... There's a lot of change occuring. You accuse these changes of "not being christian" well your christianity hasn't been practiced popularly since the 16th century.

Seriously man... stop being so edgy and let the young religious generation create a better religious community.

Oh and I said Jesus wouldn't want him judging his friends. The little tidbit "do not judge lest ye be judged" was kind of a big thing of his wouldn't you say?
User avatar #44282 - eight (10/23/2013) [-]


Interpretations change. Morals change, but that does not make the words of the book people force their children to read every night, to change.

"There's a lot of change occuring. You accuse these changes of "not being christian" well your christianity hasn't been practiced popularly since the 16th century. "

In other words, you do not care if what you believe is true or not. You think that as long as it is positive, any delusion is acceptable.

"Seriously man... stop being so edgy and let the young religious generation create a better religious community. "

I am not being edgy. I am not an Atheist because I am a person who thinks rebellion is cool. I am an Atheist because I see no good reason to believe in The Bible just as I see no good reason to believe in fairy tales. I am also a skeptic, this requires me to only believe in things that evidence tells me are true.

"Oh and I said Jesus wouldn't want him judging his friends. The little tidbit "do not judge lest ye be judged" was kind of a big thing of his wouldn't you say? "

I see no problem with judging others. In fact, it is impossible to not do so.

He wasn't judging his friends to go to hell. God was. He has a problem with God's judgement, because his own moral system concludes that they do not deserve fiery torture.

This has caused him to start doubting whether or not his beliefs are true. And he has figured out that the only reason he believes it is because he was indoctrinated to do so. Now he needs help deciding what to do.

Your idea is to have him continue believing in a delusion, but a 'better' delusion.

My idea is to throw away all delusion and just be a good person all by your own doing.
User avatar #44284 - Sethorein (10/23/2013) [-]
and tell me, how many religious people have you converted to the secular dream of atheism?

See, the difference between you and me is a little thing called realism. You and I both get that religion is dumb, but you think that telling christians how stupid their book is will actually change something, while I accept that they probably wanna keep their little book, so why not help them be better people even if they need a book.

The world will never be entirely atheist, at least not for now. You can't convince christians to change if they don't want to either. Little by little assimilation occurs though. So for the first bits, let them keep the book, eventually they'll start interpreting everything secularly and realize the book is useless.

However, you still need to start somewhere. Where you start is by saying that the hateful vitriol that is taught by their priests is not something a loving god would want... then have them move forward from there. You don't start with a depressing paragraph about how the archaic tome condemns all to hellfire so they are forced to condemn all to hellfire too or else they are bad christians. That won't help anyone or change anything.
User avatar #44319 - eight (10/23/2013) [-]
"and tell me, how many religious people have you converted to the secular dream of atheism?"

No idea. Probably one or two. You don't just snap your fingers and suddenly think differently. It takes months, even years to go about such a drastic change.

"See, the difference between you and me is a little thing called realism. You and I both get that religion is dumb, but you think that telling christians how stupid their book is will actually change something, while I accept that they probably wanna keep their little book, so why not help them be better people even if they need a book. "

People do change. Matt Dillahunty for instance, a practical nobody in the intellectual field of Atheism has helped hundreds if not thousands of people who were formerly religious, become Atheists.

The point is, they don't need their little book to be good people. If we can help them realize that, then change will occur. But you definitely aren't solving anything or progressing our species by encouraging them to hold onto their beliefs. Everyone's beliefs need to be challenged. It is the only way change occurs.

"The world will never be entirely atheist, at least not for now."
It certainly won't be if you encourage people to believe in delusion.

" You can't convince christians to change if they don't want to either. "
Not with the snap of a finger. But your next point does get the idea right..until of course you say to let them hold onto the book.

"So for the first bits, let them keep the book, eventually they'll start interpreting everything secularly and realize the book is useless. "
This is slippery slope.

"You don't start with a depressing paragraph about how the archaic tome condemns all to hellfire so they are forced to condemn all to hellfire too or else they are bad christians. "
How come? He was already expressing the fact that he was uneasy with God's judgement. Exposing an immoral system that is supposed to be moral can be quite effective.
#31 - I meant Hub not Nicktoons. 10/13/2013 on 'Family Show' +2
#30 - It still comes on on Nicktoons.  [+] (1 new reply) 10/13/2013 on 'Family Show' 0
User avatar #31 - raxis (10/13/2013) [-]
I meant Hub not Nicktoons.
#18 - Me too. Gamzee is my favorite.  [+] (1 new reply) 10/11/2013 on freaken white people -5
#21 - Scenekid (10/11/2013) [-]
I enjoy Gamzee too
#10 - I want to touch it. 06/10/2013 on Fortunately not OC 0
#73 - Ok. Thank you for the warning. 06/05/2013 on You're not you when you're... 0
#68 - Thank you.  [+] (2 new replies) 06/05/2013 on You're not you when you're... 0
User avatar #71 - thebannedzombie (06/05/2013) [-]
Also, last I heard the ps3 version was still plagued with problems so I recommend looking into it to see if they have patched it before buying.
User avatar #73 - raxis (06/05/2013) [-]
Ok. Thank you for the warning.
#60 - Does Skyrim cost 50 or 60 dollars?  [+] (4 new replies) 06/05/2013 on You're not you when you're... 0
User avatar #67 - thebannedzombie (06/05/2013) [-]
Skyrim is $30, the legendary edition is $60 (that comes with all the DLC)
User avatar #68 - raxis (06/05/2013) [-]
Thank you.
User avatar #71 - thebannedzombie (06/05/2013) [-]
Also, last I heard the ps3 version was still plagued with problems so I recommend looking into it to see if they have patched it before buying.
User avatar #73 - raxis (06/05/2013) [-]
Ok. Thank you for the warning.
#16 - My brother has the normal version on Xbox. I just got a PS3 so…  [+] (9 new replies) 06/05/2013 on You're not you when you're... 0
#22 - 4chan refugee (06/05/2013) [-]
I had never played an RPG like Skyrim before and I got it as a Christmas present. I absolutely loved it. You'll be up all night with it, I assure you
User avatar #60 - raxis (06/05/2013) [-]
Does Skyrim cost 50 or 60 dollars?
User avatar #67 - thebannedzombie (06/05/2013) [-]
Skyrim is $30, the legendary edition is $60 (that comes with all the DLC)
User avatar #68 - raxis (06/05/2013) [-]
Thank you.
User avatar #71 - thebannedzombie (06/05/2013) [-]
Also, last I heard the ps3 version was still plagued with problems so I recommend looking into it to see if they have patched it before buying.
User avatar #73 - raxis (06/05/2013) [-]
Ok. Thank you for the warning.
User avatar #17 - holybronybatman (06/05/2013) [-]
Yeah, I have been waiting for it, mostly because it will cost less than all the dlc's and the original game put together.
#21 - 4chan refugee (06/05/2013) [-]
Whats the difference between the normal and the game of the year edition?
User avatar #23 - woodywoodlinson (06/05/2013) [-]
The goty edition has new features and all the DLCs
#13 - When does it come out?  [+] (11 new replies) 06/05/2013 on You're not you when you're... 0
User avatar #14 - holybronybatman (06/05/2013) [-]
It has, well, at least on Steam. But I want to go to GameStop to see if it's out on console (I have my save on my Xbox)
User avatar #16 - raxis (06/05/2013) [-]
My brother has the normal version on Xbox. I just got a PS3 so I've been waiting for the game of the year edition to come out to get it. I've never played it before.
#22 - 4chan refugee (06/05/2013) [-]
I had never played an RPG like Skyrim before and I got it as a Christmas present. I absolutely loved it. You'll be up all night with it, I assure you
User avatar #60 - raxis (06/05/2013) [-]
Does Skyrim cost 50 or 60 dollars?
User avatar #67 - thebannedzombie (06/05/2013) [-]
Skyrim is $30, the legendary edition is $60 (that comes with all the DLC)
User avatar #68 - raxis (06/05/2013) [-]
Thank you.
User avatar #71 - thebannedzombie (06/05/2013) [-]
Also, last I heard the ps3 version was still plagued with problems so I recommend looking into it to see if they have patched it before buying.
User avatar #73 - raxis (06/05/2013) [-]
Ok. Thank you for the warning.
User avatar #17 - holybronybatman (06/05/2013) [-]
Yeah, I have been waiting for it, mostly because it will cost less than all the dlc's and the original game put together.
#21 - 4chan refugee (06/05/2013) [-]
Whats the difference between the normal and the game of the year edition?
User avatar #23 - woodywoodlinson (06/05/2013) [-]
The goty edition has new features and all the DLCs
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