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#29 - ukulisti (09/21/2014) [-]
"Casul", "Get Controller". Choose ONE.
Controller is way too inferior to keyboard for me to use one. The dark souls 1 PC port was a disgrace and many people suffered because of it.
Good thing the second game did not have such a problem, even though the guard break and plunge still do not work with keyboard and mouse, instead I had to bind both right hand attacks to the keyboard for them to register.
#153 - dontread (09/21/2014) [-]
so then the smart thing to do is to understand the situation at hand and adapt and get a controller
game was designed with console restrictions in mind. No amount of hotkeys are going to get you the type of performance a controller can considering this game is very very reliant on reaction and hitting multiple commands.
Especially in PVP (oh my god my controller has seen better days.)
#158 - dontread (09/21/2014) [-]
Reaction is what it comes down to really.
You have 4 different buttons that dictate important defense/offense options as well as direction variations of some of them like kick/jumpattack (4 offense if you dual wield) and then you have a button for switching weapons, rolling+backstep, item consumption
you need buttons to switch spells/ weapons left + right/ consumables.
then theres target lock on ( i guess)
all and all the better you get at the game (without cheesing it *cough* bow+arrow)
the more you find yourself constantly switching between all of these commands.
Dark souls is really fast and fluid ( you can 180 turn yo) and it tends to play that way if you're actively engaged in combat with enemies or just in general avoiding environmental hazards.
I mean unless you play super defensively (hiding behind a shield and attacking every 10 seconds) id imagine the controller does a better job than a keyboard does for maximizing button combinations that require near instant timings sometimes.
(fancy shit that ends with parrying)
You'd sound like you're typing a godamn essay for english if you use a keyboard as effectively as you could a controller most likely.
PC is king of reactions when mouse and screen precision is involved.
Dark Souls doesn't really work off that kind of stuff though.
#159 - ukulisti (09/22/2014) [-]
Except that I had to rebind light and heavy attack to my keyboard to reliably do breaks and plunges .
I guess that is just a matter of preference, but I do admit that the controller When I got used to it, since I don't use controllers for many games. DOES feel more fluid and reponsive.
Thanks for having the time to make such nicely spaced and eye friendly block of text for me to read.
Also, I noticed that the PC USB controller that I own (Logitech F310) cannot reliably do breaks and plunges ( just like KB+M ) but instead, I have to either use the dpad Because of digital input I guess to move. Is that a problem with more people, is it the (cheap) controller's fault or am I just bad? ( It works just fine if I bind the left analog stick upwards motion to W in my keyboard, but then again, it is then a digital input.
#160 - dontread (09/22/2014) [-]
oh trust me.
Game has had a problem with delayed commands even on consoles. Prolly isn't you if you feel like you've practiced enough for it. Course it could just be a little of all the reasons you and i have listed, who knows
Honestly for PVE you can still do pretty fine with a keyboard as long as you play a little more cautiously to compensate.
But if you want to go into PVP. Controller is almost objectively better considering the timings you'd need to get down against another human player.
Especially the advanced PVP techniques like toggling.
#71 - gthelurker (09/21/2014) [-]
No.. I find them very simple and they work very well. If you can't work them.. There is a reason. It's an obvious reason.. I may have stated a possibility like it before. What could it be? Oh..
You suck at using a controller. U dun haff 2 b mad cuz u bad.
#110 - ukulisti (09/21/2014) [-]
Are you seriously this dense?
Consoles are holding back everything for PC ports with their last decade hardware.
I am salty because the PC port was horrible, and I could have had a lot better experience than I had, not because I couldn't / wouldn't use a controller.
#111 - gthelurker (09/21/2014) [-]
"It was developed and published for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 by From Software in Japan and by Namco Bandai Games internationally." -Wikipedia
No it is a console game with a PC version. Losers like you are holding yourself back by not enjoying video games simply cause of your cheap pride.
#113 - ukulisti (09/21/2014) [-]
"On August 24, 2012, the "Prepare to Die" edition of Dark Souls was released for PC, featuring additional content previously unavailable to PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 users." -Wikipedia
No, it's a game, that is available to Playstation 2, Xbox 360 and PC. Losers like you are holding everyone else back by having low standards.
#125 - gthelurker (09/21/2014) [-]
The game was released almost a full year later to PC. It doesn't seem at all like they forced Dark Souls back from PC a year is too long for such a thing.. More like Namco realized how good it was a decided to have it for PC as well. Besides Namco and From are Japanese companies. How the fuck is Microsoft and Sony going to stop them from making a PC version?
#152 - ukulisti (09/21/2014) [-]
For some reason, I cannot reply to the #130.
I am sorry. I am bad at expressing myself, and in addition to that, english is not my native language.
All I meant by this comment stream of mine is that I do not like that such a great game is blanded down by a bad port.
I am sorry that we both wasted time in this, and I hope you understand.
#162 - gthelurker (09/22/2014) [-]
Too many purple lines probably. I am bad at communicating as well. Although my words completely represent how I feel most of the time I also don't notice how rude my words sound. So don't worry to much, we both failed at some points.
We're good. I have plenty of time to kill anyway, being a full time student. I just felt your anger towards the bad game conversion was misdirected at controllers and I disliked that.
#130 - gthelurker (09/21/2014) [-]
When I said that you went at my comments I meant after the conversation has started with the 2 of us. I meant as the action of debating with me.
If they were exclusive with Sony and Microsoft why would Sony allow Microsoft to have the PC version of it. The game was released on Games For Windows, so wouldn't that mean Microsoft is making the most profit? But also Sony could've possibly agreed to a percentage of profits. Although to me that doesn't seem likely. The reason I go with the possibility it has a PC version due to the success of the game is because I don't know the details of contracts or Exclusive rights to it and the option that they chose to make it after is because it makes the most sense to me.
Yeah I'm pretty dense sometimes, I need convincing, with proof of course. Also if you seem like a dick without posting links for proof of what you say your credibility goes to -15. But since your tired with this conversation, I understand and I'll say I wish you a good day m8. Why the bread in the previous comment?
#40 - ukulisti (09/21/2014) [-]
That is totally a fucked-up reason.
Should someone release a game for PS just because they can, and leave the port almost untouched, so that when you try to tilt the analog sticks, it only takes in digital input, and jerks off all over the place?
No, since that would be dumb.
#27 - anonymous (09/21/2014) [-]
No, controllers are always better for third person view games where the mouse/right analog stick would be used for turning a camera. KB+M only really rule RTS and FPS.
#23 - anonymous (09/21/2014) [-]
Have you fucking seen skyrim combat?
The reason Skyrim's controls work is because if you get hit it's legitimately no big deal.
Dark Souls' focus is about actually reacting to shit and moving with precision
#8 - iscrewbabies (09/21/2014) [-]
Controllers are definitely better for a game like Dark Souls.
Dark Souls type games, racing games, and fighting games work best for controllers.
Have you played the newest Devil May Cry game with a keyboard and mouse? It's fucking impossible.
And I'm a PC gamer, and always will be.
#88 - hydraetis (09/21/2014) [-]
You were saying "it worked for skyrim why doesn't it work for DS?"
Because Skyrim controls are simple as piss. All you need are standard movement/camera, two buttons for attacking, and menu. Dark Souls needs 4 buttons for attacks, standard movement/camera plus lock-on, full D-Pad, and two more buttons for item consumption and switching to two-hand hold.
Skyrim: 5 buttons (sprint, jump, crouch, left and right attack)
Dark Souls: 13 buttons (4 attacks, 4 item switching, sprint, jump, lock-on, consume item, two-hand mode)
#91 - mhden (09/21/2014) [-]
What 4 attacks ? Isnt it just Light Attack Heavy Attack ?Or are you counting Blocks aswell ? All the other stuff can be EASILY be added to the keyboard , like item switching 1-4 num
consume q , 2 handed tab etc etc . And my real problem is the movement (wasd) and Camera on mouse and keyboard NOT the placement of the rest of the keys .Its fucking HORIFYING .
#100 - hydraetis (09/21/2014) [-]
Well what do you expect from a game reliant on target locking? While you're not fighting the camera works like a regular camera but once you enter combat the 4 directions on the right stick function like buttons, which can't be very pleasantly done on a mouse.
I really find it hilarious how you people in the pc gaming community are so fucking stuck-up that you'd rather bitch than apply some logic and use a damn controller.
#25 - trostell (09/21/2014) [-]
Because Skyrim has wiggle-room for that. Getting hit in Dark Souls is a major fuck-up, but in Skyrim, if you get it, it's usually, what, 10% of your health at most? And even if you fuck up a ton, you can pause and instantly heal back to full with food and potions. Dark Souls never stops. If you stop to heal, you better have enough time to finish that Estus or Humanity, or you're gonna die. Again. Dark Souls works best with a controller because all your functions are instantly accessible, with no required hand movement. Even weak enemies in Dark Souls can take you down in 3-4 hits, so you have to be prepared to block, parry, or dodge. Skyrim almost depends on you taking hits occassionally, It's near impossible to avoid. Dark Souls, you can block, avoid, or reflect almost every single attack in the game.
Skyrim is about being a near-invincible living god. Dark Souls is about surviving shit bigger and stronger than you are, by far.
#11 - iscrewbabies (09/21/2014) [-]
Please tell me you're confusing something here.
Older DMC's I never had any issues with, but the new one was made for a person with at least 3 hands and 10 fingers on each hand. The way to do a few moves that were necessary to continue required me to bend my fingers in ways they were not meant to bend. If you truly want to tell me that you considered the new DMC's controls to be easier, I refuse to believe that you are a human. I remember how I refused to even play the game with such shit controls, that I actually went out and bought a cheap controller JUST for that game.
#16 - iscrewbabies (09/21/2014) [-]
20 euros? That isn't too bad.
My controller cost me like 5 euros only, and other than that I could choose if I either buy a new mouse or I get myself some headphones for game recording. I had to go with headphones.
Oh well. If all goes as planned, then in about 2 to 3 years I will have a PC setup that will cost me over 50k. 50k includes the PC, everything else needed, and full VR set that will allow me to feel what is going on in the games, move my own body, reload my own weapons, and of course oculus rift.
But as for now, I will deal with my shitbox that costs around 200 euros.
#19 - iscrewbabies (09/21/2014) [-]
Over 80c when you play? Nigga, mine is at a steady 75 when I'm playing solitaire.
There are a metric fuckton of smartphones that are better than my PC.
nVidia GeForce 210, some old dual core 2.8GHz processor and 4GB RAM.
Even all my HDD's that were 500+ are now broken, and I'm left with a 120GB HDD.
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