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questionableferret (03/24/2015) [-] Eyup. Kind of weak compared to the past few weeks and Ryofui just wrecking show with his morals. But at this point moralising is all he can really do.
And I don't think Denyu's gonna die to that.
And I don't think Denyu's gonna die to that.
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samxdaxman (03/24/2015) [-] I wouldn't say weak, we still saw progress(Better than the massive disappointment of AoT chapter 67). I think it only seems slow since now that we're both caught up, it's not as intense as having the next chapter readily available.
Anyone who believes Ryofui is a dumbass, the dude is clearly lying. Not like he'll end up getting to be king(since we know how the story goes, "Ei Sei, first king of China" and all.), but let's say he did. The man is a businessman before politician. He'd take the wealth for himself before letting the people have it. He's not dumb, he'd keep them from rebelling by not totally screwing them over too much, but there's no way he'd be able to provide for everyone with his mindset.
Denyuu survived Futei's attack, he'll probably make it. Then again, those are a lot of arrows...
Anyone who believes Ryofui is a dumbass, the dude is clearly lying. Not like he'll end up getting to be king(since we know how the story goes, "Ei Sei, first king of China" and all.), but let's say he did. The man is a businessman before politician. He'd take the wealth for himself before letting the people have it. He's not dumb, he'd keep them from rebelling by not totally screwing them over too much, but there's no way he'd be able to provide for everyone with his mindset.
Denyuu survived Futei's attack, he'll probably make it. Then again, those are a lot of arrows...
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questionableferret (03/25/2015) [-] Eh, I believe Ryofui's words about his intentions. Don't forget his interactions with the Queen Mother. Though he uses everyone around him as pawns we have seen him at times come out of his shell of composure and he has never been sadistic or cruel at those times. Ruthless and pragmatic, yes, but we have never seen him actually bring harm to anyone who was not directly opposing his rise to the throne.
I think he is absolutely the most arrogant person in whatever room he happens to find himself, but he is also an accomplished artist (as seen from the short touch about the scriptures he had finally finished writing), and perhaps above all else he was entirely right about what he said with regards to money and war... theoretically. Practically things never go as well as you may plan them to but were Ryofui to attract into Qin the wealthiest families in China he would absolutely be able to affect real change with that wealth. Plus, individual wealth increases the fastest when the economy grows, and for the economy to grow more people need more money.
Worst Case Scenario for Ryo: He is awful and he doesn't provide for Qin the sweeping change required.
Worst Case Scenario for Sei: Hundreds of thousands of people die in awful ways in a campaign that ultimately fails and, due to such failure puts Qin back to square one, if not further back than that, including possibly completely ending the state through over-reaching.
Best Case Scenario for Ryo: Qin becomes the economic centre of the region and eventually ends the period of war through simply making war with Qin an impossibility.
Best Case Scenario for Sei: Hundreds of thousands of people die in awful ways in a campaign that ultimately succeeds but Qin is over-reaching (like the Roman Empire) to do so and their dynasty is built atop the misery of millions.
The reason these days we prefer politicians to warmakers is that politicians like Ryo understand the best way to beat your enemies is to make them not want to fight you, whereas Sei is all about blood and thunder and carving himself his own little slice of the world. Both have noble goals but Ryo's idea, even if the joy never reaches beneath the richest in the state, is far more sustainable.
Anyway, I really want to see how this plays out.
I think he is absolutely the most arrogant person in whatever room he happens to find himself, but he is also an accomplished artist (as seen from the short touch about the scriptures he had finally finished writing), and perhaps above all else he was entirely right about what he said with regards to money and war... theoretically. Practically things never go as well as you may plan them to but were Ryofui to attract into Qin the wealthiest families in China he would absolutely be able to affect real change with that wealth. Plus, individual wealth increases the fastest when the economy grows, and for the economy to grow more people need more money.
Worst Case Scenario for Ryo: He is awful and he doesn't provide for Qin the sweeping change required.
Worst Case Scenario for Sei: Hundreds of thousands of people die in awful ways in a campaign that ultimately fails and, due to such failure puts Qin back to square one, if not further back than that, including possibly completely ending the state through over-reaching.
Best Case Scenario for Ryo: Qin becomes the economic centre of the region and eventually ends the period of war through simply making war with Qin an impossibility.
Best Case Scenario for Sei: Hundreds of thousands of people die in awful ways in a campaign that ultimately succeeds but Qin is over-reaching (like the Roman Empire) to do so and their dynasty is built atop the misery of millions.
The reason these days we prefer politicians to warmakers is that politicians like Ryo understand the best way to beat your enemies is to make them not want to fight you, whereas Sei is all about blood and thunder and carving himself his own little slice of the world. Both have noble goals but Ryo's idea, even if the joy never reaches beneath the richest in the state, is far more sustainable.
Anyway, I really want to see how this plays out.
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samxdaxman (03/25/2015) [-] Also, kinda random thought, but I REALLY wanna know more about Hakuki, leader of the Qin 6 generals. Looking on the wiki, the dude was BRUTAL. People say he killed over 890,000 people, some say more than 1,000,000. I wanna see him in this series more.
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samxdaxman (03/25/2015) [-] See that's the thing about his charisma. Maybe I'm just a paranoid ************ , but I think he's just so damn charismatic, he's even able to convince the audience that he's truly doing this for the greater good. Meanwhile, everything he's done has been in his own self interest.
That historical scroll thing he did? Gained him support from the masses. ******* the Queen mother? Gained him an alliance with the harem(plus some mad pussy). After he was done with her and they were allied, she shoved Ai into her so she'd get out of his hair. I don't think he's a bad person per se, just selfish(which isn't always a bad thing). He may have good intention on what to do with the throne, but it's mainly just a power grab.
Now this doesn't mean his ideas are bad, nor does it mean Sei's ideas are good. It all biols down to character. Ryo is naturally greedy, ambitious and intelligent. Sei is calculating, intense, but has a good heart. So it all comes down to whether it would be better to have a greedy bastard or a warmonger in control.
Plus, there's people like Riboku, Houken, Gohoumei, etc. Do you really think those generals would be content on giving up war, Houken especially. Those generals, save for maybe Riboku, and even he'd have something up his sleeve if he accepted, would never be content with just being paid off. If something like Sai happened again, there's no way Ryo would be able to rouse the people like Sei can. If the two worked together, then Qin truly could handle any threat.
That historical scroll thing he did? Gained him support from the masses. ******* the Queen mother? Gained him an alliance with the harem(plus some mad pussy). After he was done with her and they were allied, she shoved Ai into her so she'd get out of his hair. I don't think he's a bad person per se, just selfish(which isn't always a bad thing). He may have good intention on what to do with the throne, but it's mainly just a power grab.
Now this doesn't mean his ideas are bad, nor does it mean Sei's ideas are good. It all biols down to character. Ryo is naturally greedy, ambitious and intelligent. Sei is calculating, intense, but has a good heart. So it all comes down to whether it would be better to have a greedy bastard or a warmonger in control.
Plus, there's people like Riboku, Houken, Gohoumei, etc. Do you really think those generals would be content on giving up war, Houken especially. Those generals, save for maybe Riboku, and even he'd have something up his sleeve if he accepted, would never be content with just being paid off. If something like Sai happened again, there's no way Ryo would be able to rouse the people like Sei can. If the two worked together, then Qin truly could handle any threat.
