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#104 - So you would rather make three dollars less an hour out of spi…  [+] (1 reply) 10/12/2016 on Check your privilege -3
#119 - anon (10/12/2016) [-]
Because there's a chance that somebody making $12 an hour is going to get a $12 an hour pay cut rather than a $3 increase when they lose their job.

A wage isn't an arbitrary value, it's a cost/benefit analysis that an employer does. They don't want people constantly quitting and they don't want other businesses to steal their good employees by offering higher wages. So they offer what they think to be fair and the employee can take it or leave it. A minimum wage is like the employee going up to the employer and saying "I want $15 and hour or no deal." The employer is likely to say no if they weren't willing to pay that in the first place. And when they need the employees, they find a way to offset the costs by for example raising prices. Which is why a higher minimum wage almost always leads to a proportionally higher cost of living. Which hurts the people who are making minimum wage because that $15 doesn't go as far as it used to.
#40 - Wouldn't you also benefit from a $15 minimum wage?  [+] (22 replies) 10/12/2016 on Check your privilege +3
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#44 - shadownigga (10/12/2016) [-]
Yes, but he would be paid the same as people flipping burgers while he does probably 4x the work, while right now he's probably making about $3 more an hour than their highest paid employee at the restaurant.
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#117 - DrewRSmith (10/12/2016) [-]
That's not how real life works. He'd get paid more. If difficult jobs paid minimum wage skilled proffessionals would go slack off at mcdonalds. Thus, a 15$ minimum wage would likely put that guy at the 20-25$ mark.
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#131 - almightysausage (10/12/2016) [-]
I'm kind of on the edge of this subject and have actually been leaning toward some kind of increased minimum wage, but what would stop the companies from laying of workers or benefits to keep their standard of living/profit.
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#154 - DrewRSmith (10/12/2016) [-]
Let em. Then people who actually work hard will have jobs and useless lazy fucks won't.
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#106 - sagedivinity (10/12/2016) [-]
So what? They'd both be making more. That's good for everyone.
#116 - anon (10/12/2016) [-]
That's not how economics works. By that logic then why not a $1000 minimum wage? Why not $10000? Million? Billion?

The fact is that the minimum wage crowds out low skill employees and makes them unhireable, which then makes it near impossible for them to build up work experience and labor skills, which is part of the reason why wealth inequality between certain groups (Namely African Americans vs. Whites) is increasing now when the gap was closing in the past.

If you're an employer and your employee only gives you $10 in benefit, you're going to have to cut them if the minimum wage goes up to $15. It's sort of subjective and varies from job to job, but as a general rule as an employee, you should strive towards making the employer (the place of business where you work) twice your wage in order to provide value to the company. And as a general rule as a business owner you should strive for your product/service giving out twice the value than what you charge. That constant adding of value is how the standard of living rises, and how Capitalism works.
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#123 - sagedivinity (10/12/2016) [-]
"That's not how economics works. By that logic then why not a $1000 minimum wage? Why not $10000? Million? Billion?" Because no company could afford to pay their workers that much.

On the 3rd paragraph: That's why you implement min wage increases slowly over time. No growing pains that way.

By the way people were saying the same things you just did when the idea of a min wage was first considered in this country and we're doing just fine. Companies are doing even better. Which is one of the reasons why a higher min is even being suggested. Companies are making more but not paying their employees more. There is no trickle down and many of us want to fix that.
#127 - anon (10/12/2016) [-]
That's a fallacy, this is where Keynesian business theory becomes nonsense. Just because you introduce something over time doesn't change the fundamentals of the policy. If I introduce lead into your system slowly it does not make the resulting lead poisoning any less real.

The minimum wage has done plenty more harm than good as a policy. I would argue that the economy has trudged on despite the minimum wage (in large part due to the tech industry), and has outgrown it. All the minimum wage has done is left the unskilled in the dust. And a further increase would only compound this problem.

High minimum wages were a huge reason why the Federal Reserve had to go crazy with inflationary monetary policy in the 70's as they tried desperately to boost employment numbers, which then led to a fairly severe financial crisis where interest rates jumped to 20%, which is an insane number.
#137 - anon (10/12/2016) [-]
If wages are slowly raised, workers will be able to go spend their extra money and the employers would be able to afford higher wages. If minimum wage followed any metric at all such as productivity, inflation, etc, it would be over $20. The only reason people would have to be laid off is if they did not see an increase in business to compensate for the increased cost of workers. By that same token, if a business got more customers, they would not need to raise their prices.
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#132 - sagedivinity (10/12/2016) [-]
What's your alternative to the minimum wage? And do you have a video or something I can watch that advocates for it?
#142 - anon (10/12/2016) [-]
The alternative to a minimum wage is free market Capitalism where rational adults have the ability to voluntarily negotiate contracts between each other. A minimum wage law is by definition preventing people from voluntarily working for a wage lower than the minimum. The topic of volunteerism and its relation to Capitalism is vast and tough to explain in a short video and I have yet to see a good one made. But if you want a video I can give you one explaining a few of the issues with minimum wage laws and a little bit on how Capitalism raises wages.

Milton Friedman  A Conversation On Minimum Wage
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#162 - sagedivinity (10/12/2016) [-]
Why would anyone to work for less than minimum? Just curious.
#141 - therealsupanova (10/12/2016) [-]
The problem with the minimum wage is because it fundamentally goes against the basic business principle that you hire a worker because they offer more value to the business than they cost. If hiring someone creates a net loss then why on earth would any company make that transaction? That's why successful businesses are huge - they don't hire workers because they have money, they have money because they hire workers. This is a very important point that no one on the left seems to even faintly understand. If you force a minimum wage then there are way less people who can offer more to a company than they cost at a level that requires no education or experience.

Even more fundamental than that is the idea of government forcing an employer to hire someone at a given cost. Ben Shapiro has said something along the lines of, "you would never force an employee to work for an employer at a given rate - that's slavery, likewise I would never force an employer to hire an employee at a given rate". The fact that the left is ok with the latter shows how economically illiterate they are.

No I will not provide you with a video that advocates for it, go read a book.
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#160 - sagedivinity (10/12/2016) [-]
The problem with that quote is that the two options aren't equivalent. One is slavery the other prevents slavery. Employers are not slaves to their worker just because they aren't legally allowed to pay a worker under a certain amount. The minimum wage was implement to put an end to employers from taking advantage of their employees. Not the other way around.
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#159 - sagedivinity (10/12/2016) [-]
Can you recommend a book then?
#205 - therealsupanova (10/16/2016) [-]
The reason I presented my point that way is to show the injustice in the system. It is unjust to force an employee to work for an employer at a given rate, just like the reverse is unjust. What you said is exactly the point, the government thinks that protecting the employee is more important than protecting the business, when in reality they are both deserving of equal protection. The idea of the government being able to force an employer to pay a certain rate is wrong and bad for the economy.

You really seem to need someone to find your information for you, here's a good place to start

www.amazon.com/Wealth-Nations-Bantam-Classics/dp/0553585975/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1476630737&sr=8-1&keywords=wealth+of+nations
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#206 - sagedivinity (10/16/2016) [-]
Our government coddles major corporations.

We bend over backwards to let them advertise in practically any space. Remember when there weren't any ads on premium services? That's going out the window. Ever noticed that companies are able to disguise ads as news now? That's disgusting to me.

How often does white collar crime go justly punished? GM can bypass safety regulations, leading to the deaths and injuries of thousands. What punishment do they receive for that? A fine that's equivalent to the loss of one day's profit. What happens when clothing stores are found to use sweat shop labor overseas in some poor country? Usually nothing. The top dogs say they had no idea or that it's all lies and they move the sweatshop elsewhere. Why are payday loan companies able to ruin people's lives with their ridiculous rates and then avoid punishment and regulations by simply changing what they call their business practice? Oh, and Wells Fargo is getting away with screwing it's customers again. They forged the signatures of their customers to overcharge them for accounts the customer never opened. They then fired low level employees for these actions while claiming that these actions weren't serious enough for charges for their top dogs.

Same goes for rich and powerful people. Hillary Clinton can get away with creating a private email server and then deleting them when an average person would have loss their job and security clearance at the very least. Why can the DNC get away with fraud and money laundering? Why can Trump get away with not paying workers?

These companies are not afraid of screwing customers over. These powerful people don't have to worry about seeing a jail cell for their crimes. The rest of us need to fight to keep them honest. That's why regulations exist and that's why the minimum wage exists. To keep those in power in check.
#207 - therealsupanova (10/18/2016) [-]
I agree that antitrust laws and limited regulation are some of the few areas that government should be involved in the economy, and I think we all know that the legal system is broken in this country. Neither of these things have anything to do with a minimum wage. It is not a "check" on corporate power, its simply a broken liberal policy
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#208 - sagedivinity (10/18/2016) [-]
Well, I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one.
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#104 - qtipd (10/12/2016) [-]
So you would rather make three dollars less an hour out of spite? There are arguments to be made against it, but i never understood why people currently making less than $15/h wouldn't want the raise
#119 - anon (10/12/2016) [-]
Because there's a chance that somebody making $12 an hour is going to get a $12 an hour pay cut rather than a $3 increase when they lose their job.

A wage isn't an arbitrary value, it's a cost/benefit analysis that an employer does. They don't want people constantly quitting and they don't want other businesses to steal their good employees by offering higher wages. So they offer what they think to be fair and the employee can take it or leave it. A minimum wage is like the employee going up to the employer and saying "I want $15 and hour or no deal." The employer is likely to say no if they weren't willing to pay that in the first place. And when they need the employees, they find a way to offset the costs by for example raising prices. Which is why a higher minimum wage almost always leads to a proportionally higher cost of living. Which hurts the people who are making minimum wage because that $15 doesn't go as far as it used to.
#49 - I think I'm funny...  [+] (1 reply) 09/23/2016 on Tinder/ sethbean appreciation 0
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#52 - kwanzalord (09/23/2016) [-]
maybe, but definitely not in your profile
#13 - I don't get it, why did you call me that?  [+] (4 replies) 09/21/2016 on Tinder/ sethbean appreciation +2
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#46 - icelandicviking (09/21/2016) [-]
mooshmallow was a fj girl on nsfw who cencored her face like you did
#50 - qtipd (09/23/2016) [-]
ohhh okay. That was a little weird for me because moosh was my nickname growing up
#37 - arreatface (09/21/2016) [-]
I think that was the name of a girl who posted nudes in NSFW a while ago

i could be wrong doe but if I recall it correctly she stopped posting pretty quickly
#36 - anon (09/21/2016) [-]
**anonymous used "*roll picture*"**
**anonymous rolled image** because you've got a soft dick
#12 - uhh thanks, I think.  [+] (3 replies) 09/21/2016 on Tinder/ sethbean appreciation +8
#41 - kwanzalord (09/21/2016) [-]
**kwanzalord used "*roll picture*"**
**kwanzalord rolled image**No seriously, I'm an average guy.
so I have to pull girls with "funny" or "interesting".

No one comes to me for "looks".
#49 - qtipd (09/23/2016) [-]
I think I'm funny...
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#52 - kwanzalord (09/23/2016) [-]
maybe, but definitely not in your profile
#11 - Thats the third time someone has told me I look like a physics…  [+] (2 replies) 09/21/2016 on Tinder/ sethbean appreciation +6
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#27 - scizotoast (09/21/2016) [-]
It is
#14 - anon (09/21/2016) [-]
its not
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