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#66 - I am an Atheist and I do not celebrate Christmas. I do not cel… 10 hours ago on Merry Christmas +1
#191 - And I want millions of dollars? So? Again as I've said to othe… 12/17/2014 on I'm probably just a bigot. 0
#190 - This actually is the closest to a good explanation to all of t…  [+] (1 new reply) 12/17/2014 on I'm probably just a bigot. 0
User avatar #193 - anahbell (12/17/2014) [-]
And that's the thing, we all have differing views on what makes a man a man or what's masculine and feminine so we'll never completely see eye to eye. Empathy and being in the position yourself are two very very different things. And no, you shouldn't be able to understand it wholly.. it was explain properly. You think that the people explaining it are at fault when maybe it's you either asking too far or not being able to process it yourself. We'll explain all we can but if you can't make the connection that's on you.

Some trans folks are obsessed with this kind of stuff and love making a huge deal out of it and want nothing but attention, but the rest of us just want peace. And you know.. a good way to kind of explain is using some of your words.. okay you said you don't know what it feels like to be a man.. because you are.. and there are no real defining feelings for that.. that's also how I feel and why it's so difficult to explain it. It just feels.. normal. It's not that I 'feel like a man'.. it's just that I feel 'normal', that I feel like me and there are no words to explain it.. it just IS... and then you look down and see that your body doesn't match how you see yourself in your head and that's when you realize somethings wrong. It doesn't match up and you don't know why. Then everyone denies you, tells you you're wrong.. going to hell.. that if you can't explain it.. you're lying... you're looking for attention, when in reality.. dude I just want to be happy.
#126 - I do not require specific membership or permission to use any words. 12/17/2014 on (untitled) +2
#184 - Haven't explained much at all. I am sorry that you were abused…  [+] (2 new replies) 12/17/2014 on I'm probably just a bigot. 0
User avatar #188 - evilanakie (12/17/2014) [-]
i want a beard
i want a donger
i want to walk around shirtless
i want to do a lot of things only acceptable if a male
#191 - pyrusd (12/17/2014) [-]
And I want millions of dollars? So? Again as I've said to other people now, why are those masculine? You can walk around shirtless as a female all you want. Granted in certain areas. BUT that's the law. If you want to push for women to walk around shirtless and be accepted that way, that's fine too.

You want to do things only acceptable if you're a guy. I'm a guy and I have NO IDEA what any of these things are. But you're looking for acceptance. Which inherently is the underlying issue. You want to be accepted. Who cares about that? I'm not accepted by my own family for simply not being their servant. Don't care if they accept me. I feel like that is the glowing issue in general here. That trans folks just want the "social norms" to accept them when in reality, they probably never will, but that's up to you to not care about it. I'm not going to NOT do the things I love because they're not "masculine roles." I'm going to do whatever the hell I want to do whenever I want to do it regardless of norms and roles because I enjoy doing them.
#183 - This is exactly what I'm getting at. Components of their perso…  [+] (2 new replies) 12/17/2014 on I'm probably just a bigot. 0
#185 - kingpongthedon (12/17/2014) [-]
Gender roles exist in nearly all species of vertebrate, this isn't up for debate. It isn't them personally saying "this is male/female" it's thousands of generations saying "this is male/female." It's strongly influenced by biological mechanisms as well as societal factors, so it's not something they can just choose to ignore. People with gender dysphoria, for whatever reason, aren't comfortable with the roles they've been assigned according to the genitalia they're born with.

TLDR: In human societies, we have gender roles. They don't like theirs. Nothing more to it.
#186 - kingpongthedon (12/17/2014) [-]
>>#113
Look at it this way: Imagine war breaks out and you're been drafted into the military. Without your consent, you've suddenly been assigned a new role in society. Some people are OK with the role they're assigned, some people are not. It's the same thing with gender.
#182 - Again, if I don't get something it's because you haven't expla…  [+] (1 new reply) 12/17/2014 on I'm probably just a bigot. 0
User avatar #187 - anahbell (12/17/2014) [-]
I've explained it as properly as possible. What's in my head doesn't match what's in my pants. And 'feeling like a man' isn't something that's just one defining thing.. it's different with each person. You will literally NEVER understand it unless you're in our shoes so telling us 'you're wrong because you didn't explain it right'.. isn't correct. We've explained it as far as we can without you being us. And for us it's not like one day I feel like a woman and the next like a man. It's literally every day of our lives that we are that one specific gender but then look down and realize our shell is not what the rest of us is.



And no, I never said they're not strong and successful, I'm just saying that a penis doesn't make a man. It's his integrity and how he IS. I'm also not saying a woman can't have their own level of integrity and what-not either. It's literally just a label for us both. Women just want to be women and men just want to be men, this goes for trans people as well because we are what we are.. our shells just got a little messed up when we were born.
#37 - I've actually talked with a couple transgender folks and none …  [+] (16 new replies) 12/16/2014 on I'm probably just a bigot. +5
User avatar #136 - anahbell (12/16/2014) [-]
No, if you don't get it that means you don't get it. People can only explain it so many times in so many different ways. I'm transgender myself and it's not about 'feeling different'.. it's about looking different and finally matching up with what's inside. It's literally about the integrity of your being. You're only trying to match things up. I'm FTM and I always get, "Why don't you just be butch lesbian." and it's like.. no.. that would imply I'm a girl who likes girls which is both wrong. I'm not a girl and I also don't like girls, they're batshit crazy. And then I get, "So, you're straight then?" and it's like, no.. holy shit no.. I'm not. I and my boyfriend both see me as 'man' even though under my clothes I may not look it.. it's not really about that. Being a man and being male are two different things. Male implies XY chromosomes and male genitalia. Man implies that you've made something of yourself and you present yourself in such manner and that's something that anyone can achieve.

Anyway, rant over. Just felt like shedding some light on this if case you didn't understand some things.
#182 - pyrusd (12/17/2014) [-]
Again, if I don't get something it's because you haven't explained it properly. In the many cases I've discussed, just as you have to, none of that makes any sense whatsoever.

You're trying to match things up...which means things don't line up. Ok....what doesn't line up? To me, it's 100% based on gender and genitalia. So if you're saying you have female parts, then you're female. But apparently "inside" you're not. Ok...again, what does that mean? How do you feel? You feel like a man.....What does that mean? I'm male...100%, have a penis, love women and so on. But I have no idea what this "feels like a man" means even though I am one.

Not once have I ever been, wow I feel like a woman today. Not once have I ever gone, wow I feel like a man today. Based on what you ended with, that anyone can be a man, then apparently being strong and successful is manly and that....all women should be manly? Since they're inherently inferior because they are not presenting themselves strong and successfully?
User avatar #187 - anahbell (12/17/2014) [-]
I've explained it as properly as possible. What's in my head doesn't match what's in my pants. And 'feeling like a man' isn't something that's just one defining thing.. it's different with each person. You will literally NEVER understand it unless you're in our shoes so telling us 'you're wrong because you didn't explain it right'.. isn't correct. We've explained it as far as we can without you being us. And for us it's not like one day I feel like a woman and the next like a man. It's literally every day of our lives that we are that one specific gender but then look down and realize our shell is not what the rest of us is.



And no, I never said they're not strong and successful, I'm just saying that a penis doesn't make a man. It's his integrity and how he IS. I'm also not saying a woman can't have their own level of integrity and what-not either. It's literally just a label for us both. Women just want to be women and men just want to be men, this goes for trans people as well because we are what we are.. our shells just got a little messed up when we were born.
#128 - anonymous (12/16/2014) [-]
It's misplaced jealousy. I guess you could call it gender-jealousy... Add in attention-seeking syndrome, persecution complex and that about solves it.
#113 - kingpongthedon (12/16/2014) [-]
What's not to understand? Their thoughts, feelings, beliefs, and behaviors line up more with the gender roles of the opposite sex. It's not just a dude that likes flowers or a chick that likes monster trucks, but a case where the overwhelming majority of the components of their personality don't line up the way they do for most people. Oftentimes this is the result of hormonal imbalances so even though they might not have the right genitalia, there is a truly biological reason that warrants their belief that they might not be the right sex.
#183 - pyrusd (12/17/2014) [-]
This is exactly what I'm getting at. Components of their personality don't line up. What the hell does that mean? What of their personality says "this is female, this is male?" How can that even be interpreted as such?
#185 - kingpongthedon (12/17/2014) [-]
Gender roles exist in nearly all species of vertebrate, this isn't up for debate. It isn't them personally saying "this is male/female" it's thousands of generations saying "this is male/female." It's strongly influenced by biological mechanisms as well as societal factors, so it's not something they can just choose to ignore. People with gender dysphoria, for whatever reason, aren't comfortable with the roles they've been assigned according to the genitalia they're born with.

TLDR: In human societies, we have gender roles. They don't like theirs. Nothing more to it.
#186 - kingpongthedon (12/17/2014) [-]
>>#113
Look at it this way: Imagine war breaks out and you're been drafted into the military. Without your consent, you've suddenly been assigned a new role in society. Some people are OK with the role they're assigned, some people are not. It's the same thing with gender.
User avatar #82 - evilanakie (12/16/2014) [-]
im a trans man so my case is a lil different
im trans because i want a real penis
i identify as a gay man
i want to wear "mens" clothing "mens" deoderant
every encounter ive had when i was expressing feminine aspects i had negative results from exclusion from my friends as they grew older to the last time i wore a dress (age 5) i was sexually abused
i dont know exactly how to explain it
just because im trans doesnt mean i know everything about the subject
trans as in transition
it takes time and change to do something like this and i already have enough questions about myself
i probably havent explained anything
#184 - pyrusd (12/17/2014) [-]
Haven't explained much at all. I am sorry that you were abused but on to the other topics.

Wearing mens clothing...doesn't make you a man. Neither does wearing deodorant. To me, that's like saying wearing women's underwear makes you a female. You want to physically have your own penis, which is fine, but again the reasoning is what's always lacking for me. You feel more like a man. What does that mean? I asked this to a couple other posts as well and hoping someone can actually explain it.

I am a male. Straight, love women and so on. But not once have I ever woken up and been like.... 'Hmmm I'm such a man today.' As a male, I have never felt like a man. Never felt like a woman either but apparently these feelings exist since the trans community is constantly harping about them. So.....what is it? You want to wear more manly clothing....no one's stopping you. BUT there is the initial desire to do so in your head. What is that and why do you feel it equals "This is manly and I want to be a man."
User avatar #188 - evilanakie (12/17/2014) [-]
i want a beard
i want a donger
i want to walk around shirtless
i want to do a lot of things only acceptable if a male
#191 - pyrusd (12/17/2014) [-]
And I want millions of dollars? So? Again as I've said to other people now, why are those masculine? You can walk around shirtless as a female all you want. Granted in certain areas. BUT that's the law. If you want to push for women to walk around shirtless and be accepted that way, that's fine too.

You want to do things only acceptable if you're a guy. I'm a guy and I have NO IDEA what any of these things are. But you're looking for acceptance. Which inherently is the underlying issue. You want to be accepted. Who cares about that? I'm not accepted by my own family for simply not being their servant. Don't care if they accept me. I feel like that is the glowing issue in general here. That trans folks just want the "social norms" to accept them when in reality, they probably never will, but that's up to you to not care about it. I'm not going to NOT do the things I love because they're not "masculine roles." I'm going to do whatever the hell I want to do whenever I want to do it regardless of norms and roles because I enjoy doing them.
User avatar #43 - adrianking (12/16/2014) [-]
That's pretty much the reactions I get, which is the only reason I bring this up.

I've been, for a while now, asking the question "What makes you a man/woman, and further, what qualities do you have that you feel disqualify you from identifying as a woman/man."

I get called a bigot, and the conversation ends.
User avatar #189 - anahbell (12/17/2014) [-]
Well let me, as a trans person, not call you a bigot and end the conversation and explain how and why I feel like a man rather than a woman. (I'm FTM)

Basically, womanly things include being a housewife, settling down, working at home, ect. Or at least that's what society has kind of conditioned them to think. I think being a woman is about those things as well, but they don't have to follow them. It's just how nature has been since the beginning of time. The woman is the heart of the home. The man is supposed to protect and bring home the bacon. So, why I feel like a man is that I have this sense of protection, like I need to find my person to protect and love and care for. I want to provide for this person and show them that I can keep them, and I want to come home and see them happily doing their thing or whatever they want. And like I've said up further in the conversation and Pyrusd also said, "The clothes don't make the man." What I think makes a man is his integrity and how he presents himself. I'm not saying women don't have this ability as well but it's a little different. I feel that I'm a man because I have all of these aspects, and then some. Also, it's kind of just always been this way. In my head, everything I see I find normal but I've always been called boyish by other people. (and at the time I hadn't noticed it, so apparently from their perspective they saw that my mannerisms weren't that of what my sex was). And apparently from a young age I drew myself and friends as we were, but I was always in boys clothing with boy's names. In my mind I always was a guy, but when I looked down.. my shell wasn't, and it threw me into depression and attempted suicide because I was 'deformed'.

Anyway sorry to get morbid in anyway, I hope this kind of sheds some light on the subject for you.
#190 - pyrusd (12/17/2014) [-]
This actually is the closest to a good explanation to all of this. But to me, still lacking.

You find yourself needing to protect something. Find the one you love and care for them and show you can keep them. I have ZERO clues as to how that is masculine. I would 100% PREFER it if more women were like that because honestly I look down my nose at most women for how sheepish they are. I love girls who weightlift, who have that drive and determination, that sense of strength. But I don't view that as "being a man" or "masculine" in nature. That's just being a strong human and again, I wish that across both genders. People are WAY too weak and soft these days.

Now, same with the womanly things you mentioned. Being a housewife and settling down.....of which no one makes anyone do. Others say things like "that's engrained." Really? Uh....again, as a male. I would love to find my one love and settle down with them and have a family with them. Well that's a female thing.....uh...ok? This is why none of this makes any sense. Well women are housewives....BUT they don't need to be. Men are strong and protective...BUT they don't need to be. So...we can be whatever we want. That's fine, but that doesn't address the issues of "My body doesn't match how I feel."

You said before I'll never understand it. Well as a fellow human that has empathy, I should damn well be able to understand it, if explained properly. It seems that all of these gender roles and issues are what trans folks are obsessed with. I don't know who assigned any roles to you or when they did but I'm sorry they did. I've lived how I've wanted to my whole life and never cared about what others thought so no idea where these rules and regs are coming from that you guys all want to follow. I've switched roles and haven't felt any more or less masculine because again....don't know what it means to feel masculine. Every other feeling under the sun I've got a good grasp on. Feeling like a dude...it's never happened.
User avatar #193 - anahbell (12/17/2014) [-]
And that's the thing, we all have differing views on what makes a man a man or what's masculine and feminine so we'll never completely see eye to eye. Empathy and being in the position yourself are two very very different things. And no, you shouldn't be able to understand it wholly.. it was explain properly. You think that the people explaining it are at fault when maybe it's you either asking too far or not being able to process it yourself. We'll explain all we can but if you can't make the connection that's on you.

Some trans folks are obsessed with this kind of stuff and love making a huge deal out of it and want nothing but attention, but the rest of us just want peace. And you know.. a good way to kind of explain is using some of your words.. okay you said you don't know what it feels like to be a man.. because you are.. and there are no real defining feelings for that.. that's also how I feel and why it's so difficult to explain it. It just feels.. normal. It's not that I 'feel like a man'.. it's just that I feel 'normal', that I feel like me and there are no words to explain it.. it just IS... and then you look down and see that your body doesn't match how you see yourself in your head and that's when you realize somethings wrong. It doesn't match up and you don't know why. Then everyone denies you, tells you you're wrong.. going to hell.. that if you can't explain it.. you're lying... you're looking for attention, when in reality.. dude I just want to be happy.
#15 - Not a pot smoker, but doesn't a pot leaf have 5 outcroppings, not 7?  [+] (3 new replies) 12/14/2014 on Lego! +1
User avatar #24 - hailhisnoodliness (12/14/2014) [-]
It varies, sometimes up to 13 in some varieties and is a good indicator of plant general health.
User avatar #20 - friedgreenpomatoes (12/14/2014) [-]
5, 7, or 9. But the leaves are always sawtoothed, not smooth.
#18 - anonmynous (12/14/2014) [-]
it can have 5 7 and sometimes 9
#85 - What is this in reference to? Abortion? You mean a child has a…  [+] (2 new replies) 12/14/2014 on how can this exist on tumblr +2
#93 - anonymous (12/14/2014) [-]
you fucking idiot, there IS NO DEBATE when an embrio becomes a child. There already are sound and simple rules in medicine when an embrio shall be treated as survival-able and thus they will try to save it.

It is dumb politicians and religious idiots, who fight for the right to paaarty.. wait no, for the right of a malformed cell cluster in woman's womb.
User avatar #90 - rynkar (12/14/2014) [-]
B-B-B-BUT THE PATRIARCHY!!!

Seriously, tumblr is full of retards, any point they try to make is only understood by other retards.
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