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#84 - It is somthing I haven't heard of before but I don't think it …  [+] (1 reply) 12/15/2015 on Christianity 0
#86 - anon (12/15/2015) [-]
It's the only outside source that correlates with the plagues in Exodus, but the real issue is the dating. If you want to learn more about it here's a documentary about it, although, it's very controversial.
putlockerr.me/tt3464018-watch-Patterns-of-Evidence--The-Exodus-online-putlocker.html
#81 - It's Apocrypha, the sources of such things can be suspect (Gos…  [+] (4 replies) 12/15/2015 on Christianity 0
#82 - anon (12/15/2015) [-]
Alright, how about the Ipuwer papyrus associating with Exodus?
ohr.edu/383
#84 - pxthreezerothree (12/15/2015) [-]
It is somthing I haven't heard of before but I don't think it has much bearing on the relability of Exodus has a historical source.
#86 - anon (12/15/2015) [-]
It's the only outside source that correlates with the plagues in Exodus, but the real issue is the dating. If you want to learn more about it here's a documentary about it, although, it's very controversial.
putlockerr.me/tt3464018-watch-Patterns-of-Evidence--The-Exodus-online-putlocker.html
#83 - anon (12/15/2015) [-]
Oops, my mistake... ohr.edu/838
#80 - The Catholic Church has been open to allegorical interpretatio…  [+] (2 replies) 12/15/2015 on Christianity 0
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#85 - Shramin (12/15/2015) [-]
I know that the Catholic Church, at least as far as the Vatican holds, Value logic and science together with the religion, or that the Bible has been open to interpretation for a very long time.

But lets not pretend they don't try to teach how to interpret the books, and that the interpretations don't change with time.
#87 - pxthreezerothree (12/15/2015) [-]
Again, I only mentioned it because of the reputation of the Catholic Church as being an enemy of reason, logic and science. Also, I'm not opposed to the Church setting down rules for interpreting Scripture since they generally require much of the former mentioned.
#78 - what about them?  [+] (6 replies) 12/15/2015 on Christianity 0
#79 - anon (12/15/2015) [-]
Could argue are/aren't historically reliable sources?
I want your input.
#81 - pxthreezerothree (12/15/2015) [-]
It's Apocrypha, the sources of such things can be suspect (Gospel of Peter) or completely unknown (Acts of Thomas). As far as reliability goes, as a historical representation of what some early Christians believed they are fine but as to the actual life and teachings of the Christ or the lives and teachings of the Apostles, I don't put much faith into that.

#82 - anon (12/15/2015) [-]
Alright, how about the Ipuwer papyrus associating with Exodus?
ohr.edu/383
#84 - pxthreezerothree (12/15/2015) [-]
It is somthing I haven't heard of before but I don't think it has much bearing on the relability of Exodus has a historical source.
#86 - anon (12/15/2015) [-]
It's the only outside source that correlates with the plagues in Exodus, but the real issue is the dating. If you want to learn more about it here's a documentary about it, although, it's very controversial.
putlockerr.me/tt3464018-watch-Patterns-of-Evidence--The-Exodus-online-putlocker.html
#83 - anon (12/15/2015) [-]
Oops, my mistake... ohr.edu/838
#16 - Catholicfag here >INB4 priest molested me The Catho…  [+] (30 replies) 12/14/2015 on Christianity +15
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#48 - factual (12/14/2015) [-]
it's a fact
#49 - anon (12/14/2015) [-]
How do you when someone mentions your name? is there an alert messager or something?
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#50 - factual (12/14/2015) [-]
yes there is, you get a notification similar to when someone replies to you
#46 - anon (12/14/2015) [-]
Unrelated note, What's your perspective on the Didache (70C.E.) or the episle of Clement? (90? C.E.)

carm.org/didache
www.orthodoxebooks.org/node/241
#78 - pxthreezerothree (12/15/2015) [-]
what about them?
#79 - anon (12/15/2015) [-]
Could argue are/aren't historically reliable sources?
I want your input.
#81 - pxthreezerothree (12/15/2015) [-]
It's Apocrypha, the sources of such things can be suspect (Gospel of Peter) or completely unknown (Acts of Thomas). As far as reliability goes, as a historical representation of what some early Christians believed they are fine but as to the actual life and teachings of the Christ or the lives and teachings of the Apostles, I don't put much faith into that.

#82 - anon (12/15/2015) [-]
Alright, how about the Ipuwer papyrus associating with Exodus?
ohr.edu/383
#84 - pxthreezerothree (12/15/2015) [-]
It is somthing I haven't heard of before but I don't think it has much bearing on the relability of Exodus has a historical source.
#86 - anon (12/15/2015) [-]
It's the only outside source that correlates with the plagues in Exodus, but the real issue is the dating. If you want to learn more about it here's a documentary about it, although, it's very controversial.
putlockerr.me/tt3464018-watch-Patterns-of-Evidence--The-Exodus-online-putlocker.html
#83 - anon (12/15/2015) [-]
Oops, my mistake... ohr.edu/838
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#22 - Shramin (12/14/2015) [-]
They do now. They change the teachings with the times, all religions do.

^ This is not an argument for or against validity of any religion.
#80 - pxthreezerothree (12/15/2015) [-]
The Catholic Church has been open to allegorical interpretations to certain books of the Bible for a very, very long time. St. Augustine, for instance, was argued that Genesis was allegorical all back the way back in the 5th century. Not only was he not excommunicated but was granted the title Doctor of the Church for his defense of it against heresy.

I only mention this because the Catholic Church has this really bad rep of hating reason, logic and science when the reality is much, much different.
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#85 - Shramin (12/15/2015) [-]
I know that the Catholic Church, at least as far as the Vatican holds, Value logic and science together with the religion, or that the Bible has been open to interpretation for a very long time.

But lets not pretend they don't try to teach how to interpret the books, and that the interpretations don't change with time.
#87 - pxthreezerothree (12/15/2015) [-]
Again, I only mentioned it because of the reputation of the Catholic Church as being an enemy of reason, logic and science. Also, I'm not opposed to the Church setting down rules for interpreting Scripture since they generally require much of the former mentioned.
#42 - anon (12/14/2015) [-]
you say that , but it very much is an argument against it, regardless of your intention.
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#45 - Shramin (12/14/2015) [-]
Than it is also an argument against Politics and Science, which also change their teachings with time for the very same reasons, new findings or a shift in cultural views.
#60 - anon (12/14/2015) [-]
It's similar to politics yes, not science. Not even close.
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#65 - Shramin (12/15/2015) [-]
The teachings of Science are not the same as the findings of Science.
#72 - anon (12/15/2015) [-]
How so?
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#73 - Shramin (12/15/2015) [-]
There are times when groups find a certain scientific explanation does not suit their world views, so they teach something else. It is in our History, look at how Cigarettes were handled in Medicinal Science.

What is taught is always what has been decided by people as the best thing to teach, not as the most truthful.
#74 - anon (12/15/2015) [-]
I see what you're getting at, but that's the vast minority. You gonna judge them by that?
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#75 - Shramin (12/15/2015) [-]
I am not judging anything, I am stating that teachings change with the times.
#76 - anon (12/15/2015) [-]
The difference being: religion only changes their mind when science has proven them wrong for years, and the previous beliefs (which were held as absolute truths based on faith only) can easily be changed, leaving them with absolutely no credibility. (which is super obvious).
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#77 - Shramin (12/15/2015) [-]
Let me stress my statement one more time.

What people teach, on all subjects, changes with the time to suit the times.

Scientific facts? not relevant to statement. What they teach about science? is relevant.
Religious writings? not relevant to statement. What they teach about religion? is relevant.

Truth is not a factor in what is taught in a society to maintain a societal status quo.
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#69 - plazmaflare (12/15/2015) [-]
Even though the findings of science also shift with the times. Paradigm shift and all that.
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#54 - sebthebrony (12/14/2015) [-]
but science provides experimental evidence, and politics doesn't say "hey, believe us and trust your life on us"
#27 - anon (12/14/2015) [-]
Except Islam of course.
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#62 - thesovereigngrave (12/14/2015) [-]
There have been a metric fuck ton of different interpretations of Islam over the centuries.
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#32 - Shramin (12/14/2015) [-]
All Religions and beliefs.

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