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#66 - Okay, so what Americans call fries are actually chips in Engla…  [+] (11 new replies) 01/26/2014 on USA vs England +17
#105 - nimba (01/26/2014) [-]
Except for these, which are crisps
User avatar #72 - jpg (01/26/2014) [-]
Kind of. British chips are like fries, but much thicker.
User avatar #88 - SuperSixONE (01/26/2014) [-]
Fries are of all thicknesses.
User avatar #90 - jpg (01/26/2014) [-]
It tends to be that fries are thin (like what you'd find at most kebab shops and fast food restaurants), where as chips are thick (like what you'd find at a fish and chip shop, or an all you can eat).
#93 - irishlawyer (01/26/2014) [-]
You can get fries in America that are thick like the ones found in England, they're not all really thin
User avatar #92 - SuperSixONE (01/26/2014) [-]
You guys have kebab shops? Geez.

Anyway, in the U.S., fries cover everything that is know as "fry" "chip" and whatever. It's harder to find thin fries than thick ones. Thin ones are usually at fast food restaurants and maybe Italian restaurants. Usually anywhere else has thicker fries.
User avatar #94 - jpg (01/26/2014) [-]
Kebab shops, every kind of Asian take-away, pizza shops, pie and mash shops, etc.

We love our drunken/hangover foods.
User avatar #104 - SuperSixONE (01/26/2014) [-]
You guys call take-out take-away?
Can you eat in at those places or is it only take-away?
User avatar #109 - jpg (01/26/2014) [-]
We call it take-away, and generally you can't eat inside (though there are exceptions).
User avatar #68 - chenn (01/26/2014) [-]
Yes. And what Americans call chips are crisps in England.
User avatar #159 - Rei (01/26/2014) [-]
Australian's call chips, hot chips and crisp, chips.
#210 - Your first argument is completely moronic. You're telling me t…  [+] (9 new replies) 01/26/2014 on Abortion. 0
User avatar #213 - stifflimb (01/26/2014) [-]
I'm not saying that it's smart to do it witthout contraceptives or they should, it still happens and people still gets pregnant even though they use contraceptives. And you do realize there are people who would kill their own children for getting knocked up, it's wrong yes but it do happen, that's one of the reasons why there exist free clinics where the adult dont even have to be there or know about it.

Not morally at fault, he's still murdering the fetus for the mothers life, therfore the fetus is not considered a human being. And what about rape victims, are you saying they need to be forced to give birth or is the fetus life not even worth the discomfort it brings the woman?!

And medecin have set an age where they think the fetus become a full human being with it's own life (think when it's 4-5 months old) and after that they refuse to do abortians, that is a good way for it to be, people have the option but need to act upon it.
And we celebrate birthdays on the day the child is born cause of how many children used to die during birth.
And you still use the argument that it's alive and therefor wrong, sperm can live for days depending on where it ends up, you are still killing that every time you wang it off, and it's okey cause it's a life form we do not really value, as are animals we use for food or plants, they are not human beings and therfore valued less.
#218 - powerfapping (01/27/2014) [-]
Please site me one instance of a person killing their child because she got pregnant. I've never heard of a single case of that happening. And allowing teenage girls to go, without an adult, and have a dangerous procedure done which may permanently damage her body is idiotic. It's irresponsible. I can't think of a single positive aspect of a young girl doing that. And no, that parent will definitely find out one way or another. If we're in your little "highly religious" society, someone is going to talk to someone else and word gets around.

No, he's not murdering anyone. He's saving the mother. Now, the process by which he saves her may harm the child, but that wasn't his intention. And yes, it is a human being. Also, yes, I think a woman who is the victim of rape should carry the child. If she cannot, or does not wish, to raise the child, she should give it up for adoption.

And no, medicine has not discerned when a child is "fully human" as you so eloquently put it. They have determined a date at which it is illegal to abort. That date is based on when nerve systems and heartbeats develop. After that point, it becomes a "late term abortion," the methods of which are disgusting and vile because the child can feel and sense everything happening to it. And I don't know where you found that reason for celebrating birthdays, but I can tell you it is completely false. Yea, it's completely okay for me to jerk it into a tissue and throw it away. You're right, it's a lesser life-form, of which I make a few billion in a lifetime. I guess you think it's wrong to shower and wash yourself too, because it's killing skin cells. Or perhaps cutting your hair is a crime against humanity because of all the cells you've destroyed. You see what I'm getting at? Those organisms are part of my body, and they cannot possibly form a new human. Sperm are cells which cannot form a human without an egg to fertilize. And even then, only one sperm out of thousands fertilizes the egg.
User avatar #219 - stifflimb (01/28/2014) [-]
What you have heard or not is not my issue, go look it up yourself, you got google use it. You mean suddenly the operation become responsible cause the parent is with her?! And no the parent will not necessarily know. The positive aspect of it is she wont be a teenage mom while she really do not want to and wont dispose of the child in another matter.

He is killing the fetus/embryo knowingly so the fetus/embryo is murdered, dont matter if it's his intention. And it's not a human being, it's a lump of cells with no brain or organ function.
You just said killing the fetus/embryo would be okey to save the mothers life but saying a rape victim must give birth to the child, many women have commited suicide cause of rape without being pregnent, forcing them to carry their child also would most likely skyrocket the suicide number or she might try doing an abortion with her own hands.

You go look it up yourself why people been celebrating the date the child is born for millenias. Yes at that point we considered the fetus to be a human being when it has developed that far.
And dont think it's wrong to jack off cause I dont see a life form of that degree to be so important. The skin cells that fall of in a shower is from the outer layer of the skin and they are already dead, hair is also made up off dead cells.
#224 - powerfapping (01/30/2014) [-]
If you're too lazy to cite an example of your own argument, I'm just going to assume you don't have one. And no, the operation doesn't become responsible with a parent there. It's not responsible at all really, that's one of the reasons abortions should not be allowed, that and the murder of a human child.

No, that's not murder, but at least you're trying to seem intelligent. I guess you find it better to just let the mother die and then the child dies anyway? Seeing as you can't save both, you may as well save one. And if you want to talk about the mental state of rape victims, maybe you should do some research on the mental health of women who have had abortions, especially after rape. It's appalling how many women become depressed and suicidal. Many have breakdowns. Why? Because they feel guilty. They killed a child, their own child at that. That's why this shouldn't be legal, so no woman will ever have to feel that.

I looked up your birthday thing. Turns out you are in fact wrong, just like I said. Birthdays are just another ritual that we as humans have assigned to certain events in our lives. And no, that child is definitely human from conception. If you were to take a cell from a human embryo, you could analyze its DNA and find it to be human. You can't dispute that. A Homo Sapien (That's our species in case you didn't know) is a Homo Sapien, regardless of the state of development. That "lump of cells" can't be anything but human.
User avatar #225 - stifflimb (01/30/2014) [-]
No I do not since I'm for abortions! Have you not gotten that yet?!
And if abortions is murder so is the procedure to kill the fetus/embryo to save the life of the mother.
Yes a lot of women get depressed after having an abortion, the reasons as to why is harder to say, could be they feel quilty, could be people around them pressure them and makes them depressed, but how many women gets pregnent and gives birth to a child without getting depressed, almost none, depression is a common thing in childbirth.
So if we gonna avoid having women get depressed we should also outlaw childbirth, bulletproof plan.

And why dont we celebrate the moment they are concieved, cause to many died before being born, it was easier to use birth date as the ground of celebrations.
You only stated why we celebrated birth.

Yeah also my hair, skin and blood also have human DNA, does not mean I go around collecting it, it's mostly dead and dont have any thoughts of it's own.
Just like the lump of stemcells dont either.
#226 - powerfapping (02/02/2014) [-]
Your hair, skin, and blood are components of the human body. They come from that lump of stem cells. Of course your hair, skin, and blood cells don't have thoughts (though more than I can detect coming out of you), they're specialized cells already designated for a specific purpose. And at least use some form of common sense when you argue that the embryo has no thoughts or heartbeat. No shit. It's a human at the earliest stage of development. That doesn't make it less human. The fact of the matter is that it will definitely develop that human brain activity and heartbeat. It will definitely grow limbs and start to move. It will definitely develop a brain with the capacity for reason. If you'd like another example of this in nature, look at caterpillars and butterflies. A caterpillar is just an early stage of development. After it takes on a radical change, it's a butterfly. Metamorphosis doesn't change the species of that caterpillar any more than the development of a heartbeat changes that of the unborn child. It's human. It can't be anything else. Get over it.
User avatar #227 - stifflimb (02/02/2014) [-]
Yeah and the caterpillar is still just a caterpillar, just like a embryo is a embryo and not a human being.
And it will devlop, so what, it has not developed it, it got no feelings or anything, and how can you claim it's a human life if it's still less worth than the mothers life?!
And if you wanna do these comparisons from nature, how about eggs, are you eating eggs or are you eating chickens?
#228 - powerfapping (02/06/2014) [-]
You obviously missed the point. A caterpillar is still the same species after it becomes a butterfly. That embryo is still a human (homo sapien) even after passing through multiple stages of development. Development does not change species, therefore it doesn't matter at what stage of development a human is, it's still a human. Also, feelings don't define humanity. Furthermore, not once did I state the value of a child's life is greater than the mothers. We had a whole discussion on that, I recommend you look back over it. Finally, i don't know if you know this, but the eggs you buy in a grocery store aren't fertilized, meaning they aren't living things. There is no embryo growing inside them. The life cycle hasn't even started, they are inanimate objects.
User avatar #229 - stifflimb (02/06/2014) [-]
Actually the caterpillar goes through metamorphis and changes species.
The embryo is still not a human being, it's a lump of cells that one day can form into a human being, but at that points it's just a collection of human cells.
You said yourself that the mothers life takes priority. So does that means the mothers life is more important than a child or more important than a lump of cells that can turn into a human some day.
So what does define humanity?!
A single drop of my blood contains my whole dna code but that drop of blood does not define as humanity, it's our brainactivity that does that, thats why when mentally ill people who does terrible thing are being called inhuman by normal people.
And I'm talking about even before stores and of other people who eat eggs, even though they are fertilized they cracked open an egg, not a chicken.
#209 - I'm sorry, this is really the one social issue I get particula…  [+] (1 new reply) 01/26/2014 on Abortion. 0
User avatar #211 - miscarriage (01/26/2014) [-]
It's cool
#93 - Can you at least specify how young this hypothetical teenager …  [+] (14 new replies) 01/24/2014 on Abortion. -1
User avatar #98 - stifflimb (01/24/2014) [-]
I dont even have a specifik age in mind since that the age to have sex differs from person to person. There are towns/societys that are hight religious were sex aint really a thing that are allowed unless wed, or everyone knows everyone, go by condoms from the store where the manager talks with any of your parents daily when parents are extreme strict about sex issues, not likely you would.

So in that situation it's okey to say fuck the fetus lets go for the mother, what makes the mothers life more valuable than the fetus if it's already a human person?
And if it's a human person when conceived why dont it get social security number and such the moment it's been confirmed to exist, it waits until it's born for the goverment to formally recognize it to be a human person.

No it's not, a fertilized egg is definite to have the potential to become a human if allowed to grow.
If I cut off my hand but it would get wired up to get blood and nutrients (not possible in today I know lets say if) it would create skin and heal itself, therefor it would grow and be considered a human being since it's alive and growing, cause if it that lump of flesh, bone, organ and complicated blood system is not considered a person then a lump of stemcells is not either.
#210 - powerfapping (01/26/2014) [-]
Your first argument is completely moronic. You're telling me that if a girl is too scared to go by contraceptives, or a guy is too self-conscious to buy condoms, they should fuck anyway and just get an abortion? Yea, that's way safer right? Wrong. And I said it before, so I'll say it again. Try real hard to understand this okay? If you live in a "highly religious society(?)" and you're afraid of what a bunch of bible-thumpers think about your sexual activity, YOU ARE NOT MATURE ENOUGH FOR SEX. And if you think buying contraceptives would cause a lot of commotion in this hypothetical society, what the hell do you think having an abortion would cause people to say?

Yes, in that situation where the mother is dying, it's up to the doctors to keep her alive. It's the same way when the fetus is dying, the doctors have to keep it alive. This isn't a particularly hard concept. If the mother is in danger, the doctor must perform whatever procedure is necessary to keep her alive, just like any other patient, pregnant or otherwise. If that procedure harms or kills the child, it's unfortunate. As long as the intent is to save a life, the doctor is not morally at fault. It's a terrible situation, but it happens. And a child is not given all its legal information at conception because it usually takes a bit of time for women to realize they are pregnant. When do most women notice? After a missed period. So how do you propose we determine the exact moment of conception? We give dates and time of birth because it's easier for us to measure and observe. That however, is completely arbitrary. We could just as well, instead of birthdays, make a day of when the child's heart started beating. The reason we don't is because it's easier to observe birth.

I really don't see how you can be this stupid. Potential for life, is not the same as actual life. That mass of stem cells, is definitely life. It does not have the potential to be alive, it is alive.
User avatar #213 - stifflimb (01/26/2014) [-]
I'm not saying that it's smart to do it witthout contraceptives or they should, it still happens and people still gets pregnant even though they use contraceptives. And you do realize there are people who would kill their own children for getting knocked up, it's wrong yes but it do happen, that's one of the reasons why there exist free clinics where the adult dont even have to be there or know about it.

Not morally at fault, he's still murdering the fetus for the mothers life, therfore the fetus is not considered a human being. And what about rape victims, are you saying they need to be forced to give birth or is the fetus life not even worth the discomfort it brings the woman?!

And medecin have set an age where they think the fetus become a full human being with it's own life (think when it's 4-5 months old) and after that they refuse to do abortians, that is a good way for it to be, people have the option but need to act upon it.
And we celebrate birthdays on the day the child is born cause of how many children used to die during birth.
And you still use the argument that it's alive and therefor wrong, sperm can live for days depending on where it ends up, you are still killing that every time you wang it off, and it's okey cause it's a life form we do not really value, as are animals we use for food or plants, they are not human beings and therfore valued less.
#218 - powerfapping (01/27/2014) [-]
Please site me one instance of a person killing their child because she got pregnant. I've never heard of a single case of that happening. And allowing teenage girls to go, without an adult, and have a dangerous procedure done which may permanently damage her body is idiotic. It's irresponsible. I can't think of a single positive aspect of a young girl doing that. And no, that parent will definitely find out one way or another. If we're in your little "highly religious" society, someone is going to talk to someone else and word gets around.

No, he's not murdering anyone. He's saving the mother. Now, the process by which he saves her may harm the child, but that wasn't his intention. And yes, it is a human being. Also, yes, I think a woman who is the victim of rape should carry the child. If she cannot, or does not wish, to raise the child, she should give it up for adoption.

And no, medicine has not discerned when a child is "fully human" as you so eloquently put it. They have determined a date at which it is illegal to abort. That date is based on when nerve systems and heartbeats develop. After that point, it becomes a "late term abortion," the methods of which are disgusting and vile because the child can feel and sense everything happening to it. And I don't know where you found that reason for celebrating birthdays, but I can tell you it is completely false. Yea, it's completely okay for me to jerk it into a tissue and throw it away. You're right, it's a lesser life-form, of which I make a few billion in a lifetime. I guess you think it's wrong to shower and wash yourself too, because it's killing skin cells. Or perhaps cutting your hair is a crime against humanity because of all the cells you've destroyed. You see what I'm getting at? Those organisms are part of my body, and they cannot possibly form a new human. Sperm are cells which cannot form a human without an egg to fertilize. And even then, only one sperm out of thousands fertilizes the egg.
User avatar #219 - stifflimb (01/28/2014) [-]
What you have heard or not is not my issue, go look it up yourself, you got google use it. You mean suddenly the operation become responsible cause the parent is with her?! And no the parent will not necessarily know. The positive aspect of it is she wont be a teenage mom while she really do not want to and wont dispose of the child in another matter.

He is killing the fetus/embryo knowingly so the fetus/embryo is murdered, dont matter if it's his intention. And it's not a human being, it's a lump of cells with no brain or organ function.
You just said killing the fetus/embryo would be okey to save the mothers life but saying a rape victim must give birth to the child, many women have commited suicide cause of rape without being pregnent, forcing them to carry their child also would most likely skyrocket the suicide number or she might try doing an abortion with her own hands.

You go look it up yourself why people been celebrating the date the child is born for millenias. Yes at that point we considered the fetus to be a human being when it has developed that far.
And dont think it's wrong to jack off cause I dont see a life form of that degree to be so important. The skin cells that fall of in a shower is from the outer layer of the skin and they are already dead, hair is also made up off dead cells.
#224 - powerfapping (01/30/2014) [-]
If you're too lazy to cite an example of your own argument, I'm just going to assume you don't have one. And no, the operation doesn't become responsible with a parent there. It's not responsible at all really, that's one of the reasons abortions should not be allowed, that and the murder of a human child.

No, that's not murder, but at least you're trying to seem intelligent. I guess you find it better to just let the mother die and then the child dies anyway? Seeing as you can't save both, you may as well save one. And if you want to talk about the mental state of rape victims, maybe you should do some research on the mental health of women who have had abortions, especially after rape. It's appalling how many women become depressed and suicidal. Many have breakdowns. Why? Because they feel guilty. They killed a child, their own child at that. That's why this shouldn't be legal, so no woman will ever have to feel that.

I looked up your birthday thing. Turns out you are in fact wrong, just like I said. Birthdays are just another ritual that we as humans have assigned to certain events in our lives. And no, that child is definitely human from conception. If you were to take a cell from a human embryo, you could analyze its DNA and find it to be human. You can't dispute that. A Homo Sapien (That's our species in case you didn't know) is a Homo Sapien, regardless of the state of development. That "lump of cells" can't be anything but human.
User avatar #225 - stifflimb (01/30/2014) [-]
No I do not since I'm for abortions! Have you not gotten that yet?!
And if abortions is murder so is the procedure to kill the fetus/embryo to save the life of the mother.
Yes a lot of women get depressed after having an abortion, the reasons as to why is harder to say, could be they feel quilty, could be people around them pressure them and makes them depressed, but how many women gets pregnent and gives birth to a child without getting depressed, almost none, depression is a common thing in childbirth.
So if we gonna avoid having women get depressed we should also outlaw childbirth, bulletproof plan.

And why dont we celebrate the moment they are concieved, cause to many died before being born, it was easier to use birth date as the ground of celebrations.
You only stated why we celebrated birth.

Yeah also my hair, skin and blood also have human DNA, does not mean I go around collecting it, it's mostly dead and dont have any thoughts of it's own.
Just like the lump of stemcells dont either.
#226 - powerfapping (02/02/2014) [-]
Your hair, skin, and blood are components of the human body. They come from that lump of stem cells. Of course your hair, skin, and blood cells don't have thoughts (though more than I can detect coming out of you), they're specialized cells already designated for a specific purpose. And at least use some form of common sense when you argue that the embryo has no thoughts or heartbeat. No shit. It's a human at the earliest stage of development. That doesn't make it less human. The fact of the matter is that it will definitely develop that human brain activity and heartbeat. It will definitely grow limbs and start to move. It will definitely develop a brain with the capacity for reason. If you'd like another example of this in nature, look at caterpillars and butterflies. A caterpillar is just an early stage of development. After it takes on a radical change, it's a butterfly. Metamorphosis doesn't change the species of that caterpillar any more than the development of a heartbeat changes that of the unborn child. It's human. It can't be anything else. Get over it.
User avatar #227 - stifflimb (02/02/2014) [-]
Yeah and the caterpillar is still just a caterpillar, just like a embryo is a embryo and not a human being.
And it will devlop, so what, it has not developed it, it got no feelings or anything, and how can you claim it's a human life if it's still less worth than the mothers life?!
And if you wanna do these comparisons from nature, how about eggs, are you eating eggs or are you eating chickens?
#228 - powerfapping (02/06/2014) [-]
You obviously missed the point. A caterpillar is still the same species after it becomes a butterfly. That embryo is still a human (homo sapien) even after passing through multiple stages of development. Development does not change species, therefore it doesn't matter at what stage of development a human is, it's still a human. Also, feelings don't define humanity. Furthermore, not once did I state the value of a child's life is greater than the mothers. We had a whole discussion on that, I recommend you look back over it. Finally, i don't know if you know this, but the eggs you buy in a grocery store aren't fertilized, meaning they aren't living things. There is no embryo growing inside them. The life cycle hasn't even started, they are inanimate objects.
User avatar #229 - stifflimb (02/06/2014) [-]
Actually the caterpillar goes through metamorphis and changes species.
The embryo is still not a human being, it's a lump of cells that one day can form into a human being, but at that points it's just a collection of human cells.
You said yourself that the mothers life takes priority. So does that means the mothers life is more important than a child or more important than a lump of cells that can turn into a human some day.
So what does define humanity?!
A single drop of my blood contains my whole dna code but that drop of blood does not define as humanity, it's our brainactivity that does that, thats why when mentally ill people who does terrible thing are being called inhuman by normal people.
And I'm talking about even before stores and of other people who eat eggs, even though they are fertilized they cracked open an egg, not a chicken.
User avatar #94 - miscarriage (01/24/2014) [-]
You really like getting into arguments about abortion, huh?

I remember i got a legit mention from you one other time
#209 - powerfapping (01/26/2014) [-]
I'm sorry, this is really the one social issue I get particularly concerned with.
User avatar #211 - miscarriage (01/26/2014) [-]
It's cool
#88 - If a teen is still young enough that their parents are actuall…  [+] (16 new replies) 01/24/2014 on Abortion. -3
User avatar #89 - stifflimb (01/24/2014) [-]
Yes cause all parents are understanding if their kids wanna have sex b4 leaving the house or get married, and what about people that lives in high religious societys.

What if having the child will kill the mother and they know it from the beginning?

Hell my hair and skin cells have human dna, does that mean I cant cut my hair anymore?
And the egg and the sperm have their own genetic code on them, by not using them to create another life you are infact killing the potential of the child it could become, so yes they are equal to abortion.
I guess you are also against terminating life support since you are killing life there also, and if you say it's okey when a person is braindead when it must be okey to terminate a fetus when it dont have a brain.
#93 - powerfapping (01/24/2014) [-]
Can you at least specify how young this hypothetical teenager is? Because it seems to my like you're describing 14 and 15 year-olds. And what do you mean highly religious communities?

By the way, the well-being of the mother is always top priority, even for pro-life activists. It's called the Double-Effect Theory. If the doctor must perform a procedure to save the mother's life - that may be detrimental to the child - he is not morally at fault. That's just a bad situation in which there really is no happy ending. And nobody can really prevent that.

Lets discuss the hair and skin problem. It's very simple. A strand of your hair, and a flake of your skin, will never produce a human child. Sperm and egg, when together, are designed to produce a child. And no, you're wrong again. Sperm and egg do not have their own complete genetic codes, only half a code. That's why it's impossible for them to produce offspring until they meet. Yes, my sperm has the potential to fertilize an egg, but so what? They have just as much potential not to. Potential does not matter. What matters is definite. An egg fertilized by sperm is definitely a human. That human will - barring miscarriage of natural causes - definitely be born.
User avatar #98 - stifflimb (01/24/2014) [-]
I dont even have a specifik age in mind since that the age to have sex differs from person to person. There are towns/societys that are hight religious were sex aint really a thing that are allowed unless wed, or everyone knows everyone, go by condoms from the store where the manager talks with any of your parents daily when parents are extreme strict about sex issues, not likely you would.

So in that situation it's okey to say fuck the fetus lets go for the mother, what makes the mothers life more valuable than the fetus if it's already a human person?
And if it's a human person when conceived why dont it get social security number and such the moment it's been confirmed to exist, it waits until it's born for the goverment to formally recognize it to be a human person.

No it's not, a fertilized egg is definite to have the potential to become a human if allowed to grow.
If I cut off my hand but it would get wired up to get blood and nutrients (not possible in today I know lets say if) it would create skin and heal itself, therefor it would grow and be considered a human being since it's alive and growing, cause if it that lump of flesh, bone, organ and complicated blood system is not considered a person then a lump of stemcells is not either.
#210 - powerfapping (01/26/2014) [-]
Your first argument is completely moronic. You're telling me that if a girl is too scared to go by contraceptives, or a guy is too self-conscious to buy condoms, they should fuck anyway and just get an abortion? Yea, that's way safer right? Wrong. And I said it before, so I'll say it again. Try real hard to understand this okay? If you live in a "highly religious society(?)" and you're afraid of what a bunch of bible-thumpers think about your sexual activity, YOU ARE NOT MATURE ENOUGH FOR SEX. And if you think buying contraceptives would cause a lot of commotion in this hypothetical society, what the hell do you think having an abortion would cause people to say?

Yes, in that situation where the mother is dying, it's up to the doctors to keep her alive. It's the same way when the fetus is dying, the doctors have to keep it alive. This isn't a particularly hard concept. If the mother is in danger, the doctor must perform whatever procedure is necessary to keep her alive, just like any other patient, pregnant or otherwise. If that procedure harms or kills the child, it's unfortunate. As long as the intent is to save a life, the doctor is not morally at fault. It's a terrible situation, but it happens. And a child is not given all its legal information at conception because it usually takes a bit of time for women to realize they are pregnant. When do most women notice? After a missed period. So how do you propose we determine the exact moment of conception? We give dates and time of birth because it's easier for us to measure and observe. That however, is completely arbitrary. We could just as well, instead of birthdays, make a day of when the child's heart started beating. The reason we don't is because it's easier to observe birth.

I really don't see how you can be this stupid. Potential for life, is not the same as actual life. That mass of stem cells, is definitely life. It does not have the potential to be alive, it is alive.
User avatar #213 - stifflimb (01/26/2014) [-]
I'm not saying that it's smart to do it witthout contraceptives or they should, it still happens and people still gets pregnant even though they use contraceptives. And you do realize there are people who would kill their own children for getting knocked up, it's wrong yes but it do happen, that's one of the reasons why there exist free clinics where the adult dont even have to be there or know about it.

Not morally at fault, he's still murdering the fetus for the mothers life, therfore the fetus is not considered a human being. And what about rape victims, are you saying they need to be forced to give birth or is the fetus life not even worth the discomfort it brings the woman?!

And medecin have set an age where they think the fetus become a full human being with it's own life (think when it's 4-5 months old) and after that they refuse to do abortians, that is a good way for it to be, people have the option but need to act upon it.
And we celebrate birthdays on the day the child is born cause of how many children used to die during birth.
And you still use the argument that it's alive and therefor wrong, sperm can live for days depending on where it ends up, you are still killing that every time you wang it off, and it's okey cause it's a life form we do not really value, as are animals we use for food or plants, they are not human beings and therfore valued less.
#218 - powerfapping (01/27/2014) [-]
Please site me one instance of a person killing their child because she got pregnant. I've never heard of a single case of that happening. And allowing teenage girls to go, without an adult, and have a dangerous procedure done which may permanently damage her body is idiotic. It's irresponsible. I can't think of a single positive aspect of a young girl doing that. And no, that parent will definitely find out one way or another. If we're in your little "highly religious" society, someone is going to talk to someone else and word gets around.

No, he's not murdering anyone. He's saving the mother. Now, the process by which he saves her may harm the child, but that wasn't his intention. And yes, it is a human being. Also, yes, I think a woman who is the victim of rape should carry the child. If she cannot, or does not wish, to raise the child, she should give it up for adoption.

And no, medicine has not discerned when a child is "fully human" as you so eloquently put it. They have determined a date at which it is illegal to abort. That date is based on when nerve systems and heartbeats develop. After that point, it becomes a "late term abortion," the methods of which are disgusting and vile because the child can feel and sense everything happening to it. And I don't know where you found that reason for celebrating birthdays, but I can tell you it is completely false. Yea, it's completely okay for me to jerk it into a tissue and throw it away. You're right, it's a lesser life-form, of which I make a few billion in a lifetime. I guess you think it's wrong to shower and wash yourself too, because it's killing skin cells. Or perhaps cutting your hair is a crime against humanity because of all the cells you've destroyed. You see what I'm getting at? Those organisms are part of my body, and they cannot possibly form a new human. Sperm are cells which cannot form a human without an egg to fertilize. And even then, only one sperm out of thousands fertilizes the egg.
User avatar #219 - stifflimb (01/28/2014) [-]
What you have heard or not is not my issue, go look it up yourself, you got google use it. You mean suddenly the operation become responsible cause the parent is with her?! And no the parent will not necessarily know. The positive aspect of it is she wont be a teenage mom while she really do not want to and wont dispose of the child in another matter.

He is killing the fetus/embryo knowingly so the fetus/embryo is murdered, dont matter if it's his intention. And it's not a human being, it's a lump of cells with no brain or organ function.
You just said killing the fetus/embryo would be okey to save the mothers life but saying a rape victim must give birth to the child, many women have commited suicide cause of rape without being pregnent, forcing them to carry their child also would most likely skyrocket the suicide number or she might try doing an abortion with her own hands.

You go look it up yourself why people been celebrating the date the child is born for millenias. Yes at that point we considered the fetus to be a human being when it has developed that far.
And dont think it's wrong to jack off cause I dont see a life form of that degree to be so important. The skin cells that fall of in a shower is from the outer layer of the skin and they are already dead, hair is also made up off dead cells.
#224 - powerfapping (01/30/2014) [-]
If you're too lazy to cite an example of your own argument, I'm just going to assume you don't have one. And no, the operation doesn't become responsible with a parent there. It's not responsible at all really, that's one of the reasons abortions should not be allowed, that and the murder of a human child.

No, that's not murder, but at least you're trying to seem intelligent. I guess you find it better to just let the mother die and then the child dies anyway? Seeing as you can't save both, you may as well save one. And if you want to talk about the mental state of rape victims, maybe you should do some research on the mental health of women who have had abortions, especially after rape. It's appalling how many women become depressed and suicidal. Many have breakdowns. Why? Because they feel guilty. They killed a child, their own child at that. That's why this shouldn't be legal, so no woman will ever have to feel that.

I looked up your birthday thing. Turns out you are in fact wrong, just like I said. Birthdays are just another ritual that we as humans have assigned to certain events in our lives. And no, that child is definitely human from conception. If you were to take a cell from a human embryo, you could analyze its DNA and find it to be human. You can't dispute that. A Homo Sapien (That's our species in case you didn't know) is a Homo Sapien, regardless of the state of development. That "lump of cells" can't be anything but human.
User avatar #225 - stifflimb (01/30/2014) [-]
No I do not since I'm for abortions! Have you not gotten that yet?!
And if abortions is murder so is the procedure to kill the fetus/embryo to save the life of the mother.
Yes a lot of women get depressed after having an abortion, the reasons as to why is harder to say, could be they feel quilty, could be people around them pressure them and makes them depressed, but how many women gets pregnent and gives birth to a child without getting depressed, almost none, depression is a common thing in childbirth.
So if we gonna avoid having women get depressed we should also outlaw childbirth, bulletproof plan.

And why dont we celebrate the moment they are concieved, cause to many died before being born, it was easier to use birth date as the ground of celebrations.
You only stated why we celebrated birth.

Yeah also my hair, skin and blood also have human DNA, does not mean I go around collecting it, it's mostly dead and dont have any thoughts of it's own.
Just like the lump of stemcells dont either.
#226 - powerfapping (02/02/2014) [-]
Your hair, skin, and blood are components of the human body. They come from that lump of stem cells. Of course your hair, skin, and blood cells don't have thoughts (though more than I can detect coming out of you), they're specialized cells already designated for a specific purpose. And at least use some form of common sense when you argue that the embryo has no thoughts or heartbeat. No shit. It's a human at the earliest stage of development. That doesn't make it less human. The fact of the matter is that it will definitely develop that human brain activity and heartbeat. It will definitely grow limbs and start to move. It will definitely develop a brain with the capacity for reason. If you'd like another example of this in nature, look at caterpillars and butterflies. A caterpillar is just an early stage of development. After it takes on a radical change, it's a butterfly. Metamorphosis doesn't change the species of that caterpillar any more than the development of a heartbeat changes that of the unborn child. It's human. It can't be anything else. Get over it.
User avatar #227 - stifflimb (02/02/2014) [-]
Yeah and the caterpillar is still just a caterpillar, just like a embryo is a embryo and not a human being.
And it will devlop, so what, it has not developed it, it got no feelings or anything, and how can you claim it's a human life if it's still less worth than the mothers life?!
And if you wanna do these comparisons from nature, how about eggs, are you eating eggs or are you eating chickens?
#228 - powerfapping (02/06/2014) [-]
You obviously missed the point. A caterpillar is still the same species after it becomes a butterfly. That embryo is still a human (homo sapien) even after passing through multiple stages of development. Development does not change species, therefore it doesn't matter at what stage of development a human is, it's still a human. Also, feelings don't define humanity. Furthermore, not once did I state the value of a child's life is greater than the mothers. We had a whole discussion on that, I recommend you look back over it. Finally, i don't know if you know this, but the eggs you buy in a grocery store aren't fertilized, meaning they aren't living things. There is no embryo growing inside them. The life cycle hasn't even started, they are inanimate objects.
User avatar #229 - stifflimb (02/06/2014) [-]
Actually the caterpillar goes through metamorphis and changes species.
The embryo is still not a human being, it's a lump of cells that one day can form into a human being, but at that points it's just a collection of human cells.
You said yourself that the mothers life takes priority. So does that means the mothers life is more important than a child or more important than a lump of cells that can turn into a human some day.
So what does define humanity?!
A single drop of my blood contains my whole dna code but that drop of blood does not define as humanity, it's our brainactivity that does that, thats why when mentally ill people who does terrible thing are being called inhuman by normal people.
And I'm talking about even before stores and of other people who eat eggs, even though they are fertilized they cracked open an egg, not a chicken.
User avatar #94 - miscarriage (01/24/2014) [-]
You really like getting into arguments about abortion, huh?

I remember i got a legit mention from you one other time
#209 - powerfapping (01/26/2014) [-]
I'm sorry, this is really the one social issue I get particularly concerned with.
User avatar #211 - miscarriage (01/26/2014) [-]
It's cool
#75 - No, obviously if she's taking precautions and using contracept…  [+] (18 new replies) 01/24/2014 on Abortion. -4
User avatar #80 - stifflimb (01/24/2014) [-]
And a lot of teenagers cant get any condoms and such cause of judgement of parents denying them it.

The part of the guy should have a saying in it I agree completely, equal rights, imo it should be for the child to be born both parents should agree on it, or if one of them wishes for it to be aborted is should be (harsh policy, but atm the best I know for letting both parts have an equal saying).

And exactly when does the life begin, when it's a clump of cells without organs, brain or anything? If that's life and so important then why should we kill any animals cause they are alive too. And my comparison is not wrong since they are both chances to life, for you to not using it to make a baby you are denying the life it could have turned into.
#88 - powerfapping (01/24/2014) [-]
If a teen is still young enough that their parents are actually able to keep them from getting condoms, then they're too young to have sex. If a teen is too self-conscious to buy condoms or contraceptives, they aren't mature enough for sexual activity.

Well I'm glad you at least acknowledge that the father deserves a say, the problem is that the child should not be aborted even if both parents wish it.

Moving on, life begins at conception. That clump of cells without organs or a brain is in fact, a human being. If you were to take a sample of that organism's DNA, it would be indisputably human. There would be absolutely no way of denying that. Furthermore, it would already have its own complete and unique genetic code, branding it its own individual. That's why we don't kill that child. Yes you are wrong in your example. You obviously don't get what's going on. A sperm has absolutely zero chance of creating a child if there is no egg present. Likewise, an egg has zero chance of becoming a child if there is no sperm to fertilize it. So no, fapping and menstruating are not equatable to abortion in any way.
User avatar #89 - stifflimb (01/24/2014) [-]
Yes cause all parents are understanding if their kids wanna have sex b4 leaving the house or get married, and what about people that lives in high religious societys.

What if having the child will kill the mother and they know it from the beginning?

Hell my hair and skin cells have human dna, does that mean I cant cut my hair anymore?
And the egg and the sperm have their own genetic code on them, by not using them to create another life you are infact killing the potential of the child it could become, so yes they are equal to abortion.
I guess you are also against terminating life support since you are killing life there also, and if you say it's okey when a person is braindead when it must be okey to terminate a fetus when it dont have a brain.
#93 - powerfapping (01/24/2014) [-]
Can you at least specify how young this hypothetical teenager is? Because it seems to my like you're describing 14 and 15 year-olds. And what do you mean highly religious communities?

By the way, the well-being of the mother is always top priority, even for pro-life activists. It's called the Double-Effect Theory. If the doctor must perform a procedure to save the mother's life - that may be detrimental to the child - he is not morally at fault. That's just a bad situation in which there really is no happy ending. And nobody can really prevent that.

Lets discuss the hair and skin problem. It's very simple. A strand of your hair, and a flake of your skin, will never produce a human child. Sperm and egg, when together, are designed to produce a child. And no, you're wrong again. Sperm and egg do not have their own complete genetic codes, only half a code. That's why it's impossible for them to produce offspring until they meet. Yes, my sperm has the potential to fertilize an egg, but so what? They have just as much potential not to. Potential does not matter. What matters is definite. An egg fertilized by sperm is definitely a human. That human will - barring miscarriage of natural causes - definitely be born.
User avatar #98 - stifflimb (01/24/2014) [-]
I dont even have a specifik age in mind since that the age to have sex differs from person to person. There are towns/societys that are hight religious were sex aint really a thing that are allowed unless wed, or everyone knows everyone, go by condoms from the store where the manager talks with any of your parents daily when parents are extreme strict about sex issues, not likely you would.

So in that situation it's okey to say fuck the fetus lets go for the mother, what makes the mothers life more valuable than the fetus if it's already a human person?
And if it's a human person when conceived why dont it get social security number and such the moment it's been confirmed to exist, it waits until it's born for the goverment to formally recognize it to be a human person.

No it's not, a fertilized egg is definite to have the potential to become a human if allowed to grow.
If I cut off my hand but it would get wired up to get blood and nutrients (not possible in today I know lets say if) it would create skin and heal itself, therefor it would grow and be considered a human being since it's alive and growing, cause if it that lump of flesh, bone, organ and complicated blood system is not considered a person then a lump of stemcells is not either.
#210 - powerfapping (01/26/2014) [-]
Your first argument is completely moronic. You're telling me that if a girl is too scared to go by contraceptives, or a guy is too self-conscious to buy condoms, they should fuck anyway and just get an abortion? Yea, that's way safer right? Wrong. And I said it before, so I'll say it again. Try real hard to understand this okay? If you live in a "highly religious society(?)" and you're afraid of what a bunch of bible-thumpers think about your sexual activity, YOU ARE NOT MATURE ENOUGH FOR SEX. And if you think buying contraceptives would cause a lot of commotion in this hypothetical society, what the hell do you think having an abortion would cause people to say?

Yes, in that situation where the mother is dying, it's up to the doctors to keep her alive. It's the same way when the fetus is dying, the doctors have to keep it alive. This isn't a particularly hard concept. If the mother is in danger, the doctor must perform whatever procedure is necessary to keep her alive, just like any other patient, pregnant or otherwise. If that procedure harms or kills the child, it's unfortunate. As long as the intent is to save a life, the doctor is not morally at fault. It's a terrible situation, but it happens. And a child is not given all its legal information at conception because it usually takes a bit of time for women to realize they are pregnant. When do most women notice? After a missed period. So how do you propose we determine the exact moment of conception? We give dates and time of birth because it's easier for us to measure and observe. That however, is completely arbitrary. We could just as well, instead of birthdays, make a day of when the child's heart started beating. The reason we don't is because it's easier to observe birth.

I really don't see how you can be this stupid. Potential for life, is not the same as actual life. That mass of stem cells, is definitely life. It does not have the potential to be alive, it is alive.
User avatar #213 - stifflimb (01/26/2014) [-]
I'm not saying that it's smart to do it witthout contraceptives or they should, it still happens and people still gets pregnant even though they use contraceptives. And you do realize there are people who would kill their own children for getting knocked up, it's wrong yes but it do happen, that's one of the reasons why there exist free clinics where the adult dont even have to be there or know about it.

Not morally at fault, he's still murdering the fetus for the mothers life, therfore the fetus is not considered a human being. And what about rape victims, are you saying they need to be forced to give birth or is the fetus life not even worth the discomfort it brings the woman?!

And medecin have set an age where they think the fetus become a full human being with it's own life (think when it's 4-5 months old) and after that they refuse to do abortians, that is a good way for it to be, people have the option but need to act upon it.
And we celebrate birthdays on the day the child is born cause of how many children used to die during birth.
And you still use the argument that it's alive and therefor wrong, sperm can live for days depending on where it ends up, you are still killing that every time you wang it off, and it's okey cause it's a life form we do not really value, as are animals we use for food or plants, they are not human beings and therfore valued less.
#218 - powerfapping (01/27/2014) [-]
Please site me one instance of a person killing their child because she got pregnant. I've never heard of a single case of that happening. And allowing teenage girls to go, without an adult, and have a dangerous procedure done which may permanently damage her body is idiotic. It's irresponsible. I can't think of a single positive aspect of a young girl doing that. And no, that parent will definitely find out one way or another. If we're in your little "highly religious" society, someone is going to talk to someone else and word gets around.

No, he's not murdering anyone. He's saving the mother. Now, the process by which he saves her may harm the child, but that wasn't his intention. And yes, it is a human being. Also, yes, I think a woman who is the victim of rape should carry the child. If she cannot, or does not wish, to raise the child, she should give it up for adoption.

And no, medicine has not discerned when a child is "fully human" as you so eloquently put it. They have determined a date at which it is illegal to abort. That date is based on when nerve systems and heartbeats develop. After that point, it becomes a "late term abortion," the methods of which are disgusting and vile because the child can feel and sense everything happening to it. And I don't know where you found that reason for celebrating birthdays, but I can tell you it is completely false. Yea, it's completely okay for me to jerk it into a tissue and throw it away. You're right, it's a lesser life-form, of which I make a few billion in a lifetime. I guess you think it's wrong to shower and wash yourself too, because it's killing skin cells. Or perhaps cutting your hair is a crime against humanity because of all the cells you've destroyed. You see what I'm getting at? Those organisms are part of my body, and they cannot possibly form a new human. Sperm are cells which cannot form a human without an egg to fertilize. And even then, only one sperm out of thousands fertilizes the egg.
User avatar #219 - stifflimb (01/28/2014) [-]
What you have heard or not is not my issue, go look it up yourself, you got google use it. You mean suddenly the operation become responsible cause the parent is with her?! And no the parent will not necessarily know. The positive aspect of it is she wont be a teenage mom while she really do not want to and wont dispose of the child in another matter.

He is killing the fetus/embryo knowingly so the fetus/embryo is murdered, dont matter if it's his intention. And it's not a human being, it's a lump of cells with no brain or organ function.
You just said killing the fetus/embryo would be okey to save the mothers life but saying a rape victim must give birth to the child, many women have commited suicide cause of rape without being pregnent, forcing them to carry their child also would most likely skyrocket the suicide number or she might try doing an abortion with her own hands.

You go look it up yourself why people been celebrating the date the child is born for millenias. Yes at that point we considered the fetus to be a human being when it has developed that far.
And dont think it's wrong to jack off cause I dont see a life form of that degree to be so important. The skin cells that fall of in a shower is from the outer layer of the skin and they are already dead, hair is also made up off dead cells.
#224 - powerfapping (01/30/2014) [-]
If you're too lazy to cite an example of your own argument, I'm just going to assume you don't have one. And no, the operation doesn't become responsible with a parent there. It's not responsible at all really, that's one of the reasons abortions should not be allowed, that and the murder of a human child.

No, that's not murder, but at least you're trying to seem intelligent. I guess you find it better to just let the mother die and then the child dies anyway? Seeing as you can't save both, you may as well save one. And if you want to talk about the mental state of rape victims, maybe you should do some research on the mental health of women who have had abortions, especially after rape. It's appalling how many women become depressed and suicidal. Many have breakdowns. Why? Because they feel guilty. They killed a child, their own child at that. That's why this shouldn't be legal, so no woman will ever have to feel that.

I looked up your birthday thing. Turns out you are in fact wrong, just like I said. Birthdays are just another ritual that we as humans have assigned to certain events in our lives. And no, that child is definitely human from conception. If you were to take a cell from a human embryo, you could analyze its DNA and find it to be human. You can't dispute that. A Homo Sapien (That's our species in case you didn't know) is a Homo Sapien, regardless of the state of development. That "lump of cells" can't be anything but human.
User avatar #225 - stifflimb (01/30/2014) [-]
No I do not since I'm for abortions! Have you not gotten that yet?!
And if abortions is murder so is the procedure to kill the fetus/embryo to save the life of the mother.
Yes a lot of women get depressed after having an abortion, the reasons as to why is harder to say, could be they feel quilty, could be people around them pressure them and makes them depressed, but how many women gets pregnent and gives birth to a child without getting depressed, almost none, depression is a common thing in childbirth.
So if we gonna avoid having women get depressed we should also outlaw childbirth, bulletproof plan.

And why dont we celebrate the moment they are concieved, cause to many died before being born, it was easier to use birth date as the ground of celebrations.
You only stated why we celebrated birth.

Yeah also my hair, skin and blood also have human DNA, does not mean I go around collecting it, it's mostly dead and dont have any thoughts of it's own.
Just like the lump of stemcells dont either.
#226 - powerfapping (02/02/2014) [-]
Your hair, skin, and blood are components of the human body. They come from that lump of stem cells. Of course your hair, skin, and blood cells don't have thoughts (though more than I can detect coming out of you), they're specialized cells already designated for a specific purpose. And at least use some form of common sense when you argue that the embryo has no thoughts or heartbeat. No shit. It's a human at the earliest stage of development. That doesn't make it less human. The fact of the matter is that it will definitely develop that human brain activity and heartbeat. It will definitely grow limbs and start to move. It will definitely develop a brain with the capacity for reason. If you'd like another example of this in nature, look at caterpillars and butterflies. A caterpillar is just an early stage of development. After it takes on a radical change, it's a butterfly. Metamorphosis doesn't change the species of that caterpillar any more than the development of a heartbeat changes that of the unborn child. It's human. It can't be anything else. Get over it.
User avatar #227 - stifflimb (02/02/2014) [-]
Yeah and the caterpillar is still just a caterpillar, just like a embryo is a embryo and not a human being.
And it will devlop, so what, it has not developed it, it got no feelings or anything, and how can you claim it's a human life if it's still less worth than the mothers life?!
And if you wanna do these comparisons from nature, how about eggs, are you eating eggs or are you eating chickens?
#228 - powerfapping (02/06/2014) [-]
You obviously missed the point. A caterpillar is still the same species after it becomes a butterfly. That embryo is still a human (homo sapien) even after passing through multiple stages of development. Development does not change species, therefore it doesn't matter at what stage of development a human is, it's still a human. Also, feelings don't define humanity. Furthermore, not once did I state the value of a child's life is greater than the mothers. We had a whole discussion on that, I recommend you look back over it. Finally, i don't know if you know this, but the eggs you buy in a grocery store aren't fertilized, meaning they aren't living things. There is no embryo growing inside them. The life cycle hasn't even started, they are inanimate objects.
User avatar #229 - stifflimb (02/06/2014) [-]
Actually the caterpillar goes through metamorphis and changes species.
The embryo is still not a human being, it's a lump of cells that one day can form into a human being, but at that points it's just a collection of human cells.
You said yourself that the mothers life takes priority. So does that means the mothers life is more important than a child or more important than a lump of cells that can turn into a human some day.
So what does define humanity?!
A single drop of my blood contains my whole dna code but that drop of blood does not define as humanity, it's our brainactivity that does that, thats why when mentally ill people who does terrible thing are being called inhuman by normal people.
And I'm talking about even before stores and of other people who eat eggs, even though they are fertilized they cracked open an egg, not a chicken.
User avatar #94 - miscarriage (01/24/2014) [-]
You really like getting into arguments about abortion, huh?

I remember i got a legit mention from you one other time
#209 - powerfapping (01/26/2014) [-]
I'm sorry, this is really the one social issue I get particularly concerned with.
User avatar #211 - miscarriage (01/26/2014) [-]
It's cool
#64 - Excluding rape, she should have known about all those risks yo…  [+] (37 new replies) 01/24/2014 on Abortion. -4
User avatar #68 - stifflimb (01/24/2014) [-]
So if she were on the pill, the guy both had a vasectomy and a condom and she ended up pregnent it's still, yeah she knew the risk let her deal with it?
And what do you mean it's her fault, it's as much the guys "fault" as hers.
And if we saying abortion is wrong since it's killing the chance of a life then fapping would also be forbidden cause of the sperm that die, and all women would have the obligation to get pregnent whenever she can cause else we are killing the potential of a kid.
#75 - powerfapping (01/24/2014) [-]
No, obviously if she's taking precautions and using contraceptives responsibly, she won't have a problem. Teens who get pregnant are almost always not being responsible.

You're right, it is as much the guy's fault, that's why he pays child support. What I don't understand is why that father doesn't get a say in whether or not his son or daughter lives or dies if the state will stick him with the responsibility of providing for them.

Abortion is wrong, not because it destroys the chance of life, but because it destroys an actual life. And no, it's not at all like fapping or menstruating. Sperm itself is only half the genetic material needed for a child, that's why sperm don't grow into children. Likewise, an egg is really just a small fleck of material which needs to be fertilized in order to be a living being. Neither of those components are living children until they meet. So no, your comparison between abortion and fapping/menstruating is completely and totally wrong.
User avatar #80 - stifflimb (01/24/2014) [-]
And a lot of teenagers cant get any condoms and such cause of judgement of parents denying them it.

The part of the guy should have a saying in it I agree completely, equal rights, imo it should be for the child to be born both parents should agree on it, or if one of them wishes for it to be aborted is should be (harsh policy, but atm the best I know for letting both parts have an equal saying).

And exactly when does the life begin, when it's a clump of cells without organs, brain or anything? If that's life and so important then why should we kill any animals cause they are alive too. And my comparison is not wrong since they are both chances to life, for you to not using it to make a baby you are denying the life it could have turned into.
#88 - powerfapping (01/24/2014) [-]
If a teen is still young enough that their parents are actually able to keep them from getting condoms, then they're too young to have sex. If a teen is too self-conscious to buy condoms or contraceptives, they aren't mature enough for sexual activity.

Well I'm glad you at least acknowledge that the father deserves a say, the problem is that the child should not be aborted even if both parents wish it.

Moving on, life begins at conception. That clump of cells without organs or a brain is in fact, a human being. If you were to take a sample of that organism's DNA, it would be indisputably human. There would be absolutely no way of denying that. Furthermore, it would already have its own complete and unique genetic code, branding it its own individual. That's why we don't kill that child. Yes you are wrong in your example. You obviously don't get what's going on. A sperm has absolutely zero chance of creating a child if there is no egg present. Likewise, an egg has zero chance of becoming a child if there is no sperm to fertilize it. So no, fapping and menstruating are not equatable to abortion in any way.
User avatar #89 - stifflimb (01/24/2014) [-]
Yes cause all parents are understanding if their kids wanna have sex b4 leaving the house or get married, and what about people that lives in high religious societys.

What if having the child will kill the mother and they know it from the beginning?

Hell my hair and skin cells have human dna, does that mean I cant cut my hair anymore?
And the egg and the sperm have their own genetic code on them, by not using them to create another life you are infact killing the potential of the child it could become, so yes they are equal to abortion.
I guess you are also against terminating life support since you are killing life there also, and if you say it's okey when a person is braindead when it must be okey to terminate a fetus when it dont have a brain.
#93 - powerfapping (01/24/2014) [-]
Can you at least specify how young this hypothetical teenager is? Because it seems to my like you're describing 14 and 15 year-olds. And what do you mean highly religious communities?

By the way, the well-being of the mother is always top priority, even for pro-life activists. It's called the Double-Effect Theory. If the doctor must perform a procedure to save the mother's life - that may be detrimental to the child - he is not morally at fault. That's just a bad situation in which there really is no happy ending. And nobody can really prevent that.

Lets discuss the hair and skin problem. It's very simple. A strand of your hair, and a flake of your skin, will never produce a human child. Sperm and egg, when together, are designed to produce a child. And no, you're wrong again. Sperm and egg do not have their own complete genetic codes, only half a code. That's why it's impossible for them to produce offspring until they meet. Yes, my sperm has the potential to fertilize an egg, but so what? They have just as much potential not to. Potential does not matter. What matters is definite. An egg fertilized by sperm is definitely a human. That human will - barring miscarriage of natural causes - definitely be born.
User avatar #98 - stifflimb (01/24/2014) [-]
I dont even have a specifik age in mind since that the age to have sex differs from person to person. There are towns/societys that are hight religious were sex aint really a thing that are allowed unless wed, or everyone knows everyone, go by condoms from the store where the manager talks with any of your parents daily when parents are extreme strict about sex issues, not likely you would.

So in that situation it's okey to say fuck the fetus lets go for the mother, what makes the mothers life more valuable than the fetus if it's already a human person?
And if it's a human person when conceived why dont it get social security number and such the moment it's been confirmed to exist, it waits until it's born for the goverment to formally recognize it to be a human person.

No it's not, a fertilized egg is definite to have the potential to become a human if allowed to grow.
If I cut off my hand but it would get wired up to get blood and nutrients (not possible in today I know lets say if) it would create skin and heal itself, therefor it would grow and be considered a human being since it's alive and growing, cause if it that lump of flesh, bone, organ and complicated blood system is not considered a person then a lump of stemcells is not either.
#210 - powerfapping (01/26/2014) [-]
Your first argument is completely moronic. You're telling me that if a girl is too scared to go by contraceptives, or a guy is too self-conscious to buy condoms, they should fuck anyway and just get an abortion? Yea, that's way safer right? Wrong. And I said it before, so I'll say it again. Try real hard to understand this okay? If you live in a "highly religious society(?)" and you're afraid of what a bunch of bible-thumpers think about your sexual activity, YOU ARE NOT MATURE ENOUGH FOR SEX. And if you think buying contraceptives would cause a lot of commotion in this hypothetical society, what the hell do you think having an abortion would cause people to say?

Yes, in that situation where the mother is dying, it's up to the doctors to keep her alive. It's the same way when the fetus is dying, the doctors have to keep it alive. This isn't a particularly hard concept. If the mother is in danger, the doctor must perform whatever procedure is necessary to keep her alive, just like any other patient, pregnant or otherwise. If that procedure harms or kills the child, it's unfortunate. As long as the intent is to save a life, the doctor is not morally at fault. It's a terrible situation, but it happens. And a child is not given all its legal information at conception because it usually takes a bit of time for women to realize they are pregnant. When do most women notice? After a missed period. So how do you propose we determine the exact moment of conception? We give dates and time of birth because it's easier for us to measure and observe. That however, is completely arbitrary. We could just as well, instead of birthdays, make a day of when the child's heart started beating. The reason we don't is because it's easier to observe birth.

I really don't see how you can be this stupid. Potential for life, is not the same as actual life. That mass of stem cells, is definitely life. It does not have the potential to be alive, it is alive.
User avatar #213 - stifflimb (01/26/2014) [-]
I'm not saying that it's smart to do it witthout contraceptives or they should, it still happens and people still gets pregnant even though they use contraceptives. And you do realize there are people who would kill their own children for getting knocked up, it's wrong yes but it do happen, that's one of the reasons why there exist free clinics where the adult dont even have to be there or know about it.

Not morally at fault, he's still murdering the fetus for the mothers life, therfore the fetus is not considered a human being. And what about rape victims, are you saying they need to be forced to give birth or is the fetus life not even worth the discomfort it brings the woman?!

And medecin have set an age where they think the fetus become a full human being with it's own life (think when it's 4-5 months old) and after that they refuse to do abortians, that is a good way for it to be, people have the option but need to act upon it.
And we celebrate birthdays on the day the child is born cause of how many children used to die during birth.
And you still use the argument that it's alive and therefor wrong, sperm can live for days depending on where it ends up, you are still killing that every time you wang it off, and it's okey cause it's a life form we do not really value, as are animals we use for food or plants, they are not human beings and therfore valued less.
#218 - powerfapping (01/27/2014) [-]
Please site me one instance of a person killing their child because she got pregnant. I've never heard of a single case of that happening. And allowing teenage girls to go, without an adult, and have a dangerous procedure done which may permanently damage her body is idiotic. It's irresponsible. I can't think of a single positive aspect of a young girl doing that. And no, that parent will definitely find out one way or another. If we're in your little "highly religious" society, someone is going to talk to someone else and word gets around.

No, he's not murdering anyone. He's saving the mother. Now, the process by which he saves her may harm the child, but that wasn't his intention. And yes, it is a human being. Also, yes, I think a woman who is the victim of rape should carry the child. If she cannot, or does not wish, to raise the child, she should give it up for adoption.

And no, medicine has not discerned when a child is "fully human" as you so eloquently put it. They have determined a date at which it is illegal to abort. That date is based on when nerve systems and heartbeats develop. After that point, it becomes a "late term abortion," the methods of which are disgusting and vile because the child can feel and sense everything happening to it. And I don't know where you found that reason for celebrating birthdays, but I can tell you it is completely false. Yea, it's completely okay for me to jerk it into a tissue and throw it away. You're right, it's a lesser life-form, of which I make a few billion in a lifetime. I guess you think it's wrong to shower and wash yourself too, because it's killing skin cells. Or perhaps cutting your hair is a crime against humanity because of all the cells you've destroyed. You see what I'm getting at? Those organisms are part of my body, and they cannot possibly form a new human. Sperm are cells which cannot form a human without an egg to fertilize. And even then, only one sperm out of thousands fertilizes the egg.
User avatar #219 - stifflimb (01/28/2014) [-]
What you have heard or not is not my issue, go look it up yourself, you got google use it. You mean suddenly the operation become responsible cause the parent is with her?! And no the parent will not necessarily know. The positive aspect of it is she wont be a teenage mom while she really do not want to and wont dispose of the child in another matter.

He is killing the fetus/embryo knowingly so the fetus/embryo is murdered, dont matter if it's his intention. And it's not a human being, it's a lump of cells with no brain or organ function.
You just said killing the fetus/embryo would be okey to save the mothers life but saying a rape victim must give birth to the child, many women have commited suicide cause of rape without being pregnent, forcing them to carry their child also would most likely skyrocket the suicide number or she might try doing an abortion with her own hands.

You go look it up yourself why people been celebrating the date the child is born for millenias. Yes at that point we considered the fetus to be a human being when it has developed that far.
And dont think it's wrong to jack off cause I dont see a life form of that degree to be so important. The skin cells that fall of in a shower is from the outer layer of the skin and they are already dead, hair is also made up off dead cells.
#224 - powerfapping (01/30/2014) [-]
If you're too lazy to cite an example of your own argument, I'm just going to assume you don't have one. And no, the operation doesn't become responsible with a parent there. It's not responsible at all really, that's one of the reasons abortions should not be allowed, that and the murder of a human child.

No, that's not murder, but at least you're trying to seem intelligent. I guess you find it better to just let the mother die and then the child dies anyway? Seeing as you can't save both, you may as well save one. And if you want to talk about the mental state of rape victims, maybe you should do some research on the mental health of women who have had abortions, especially after rape. It's appalling how many women become depressed and suicidal. Many have breakdowns. Why? Because they feel guilty. They killed a child, their own child at that. That's why this shouldn't be legal, so no woman will ever have to feel that.

I looked up your birthday thing. Turns out you are in fact wrong, just like I said. Birthdays are just another ritual that we as humans have assigned to certain events in our lives. And no, that child is definitely human from conception. If you were to take a cell from a human embryo, you could analyze its DNA and find it to be human. You can't dispute that. A Homo Sapien (That's our species in case you didn't know) is a Homo Sapien, regardless of the state of development. That "lump of cells" can't be anything but human.
User avatar #225 - stifflimb (01/30/2014) [-]
No I do not since I'm for abortions! Have you not gotten that yet?!
And if abortions is murder so is the procedure to kill the fetus/embryo to save the life of the mother.
Yes a lot of women get depressed after having an abortion, the reasons as to why is harder to say, could be they feel quilty, could be people around them pressure them and makes them depressed, but how many women gets pregnent and gives birth to a child without getting depressed, almost none, depression is a common thing in childbirth.
So if we gonna avoid having women get depressed we should also outlaw childbirth, bulletproof plan.

And why dont we celebrate the moment they are concieved, cause to many died before being born, it was easier to use birth date as the ground of celebrations.
You only stated why we celebrated birth.

Yeah also my hair, skin and blood also have human DNA, does not mean I go around collecting it, it's mostly dead and dont have any thoughts of it's own.
Just like the lump of stemcells dont either.
#226 - powerfapping (02/02/2014) [-]
Your hair, skin, and blood are components of the human body. They come from that lump of stem cells. Of course your hair, skin, and blood cells don't have thoughts (though more than I can detect coming out of you), they're specialized cells already designated for a specific purpose. And at least use some form of common sense when you argue that the embryo has no thoughts or heartbeat. No shit. It's a human at the earliest stage of development. That doesn't make it less human. The fact of the matter is that it will definitely develop that human brain activity and heartbeat. It will definitely grow limbs and start to move. It will definitely develop a brain with the capacity for reason. If you'd like another example of this in nature, look at caterpillars and butterflies. A caterpillar is just an early stage of development. After it takes on a radical change, it's a butterfly. Metamorphosis doesn't change the species of that caterpillar any more than the development of a heartbeat changes that of the unborn child. It's human. It can't be anything else. Get over it.
User avatar #227 - stifflimb (02/02/2014) [-]
Yeah and the caterpillar is still just a caterpillar, just like a embryo is a embryo and not a human being.
And it will devlop, so what, it has not developed it, it got no feelings or anything, and how can you claim it's a human life if it's still less worth than the mothers life?!
And if you wanna do these comparisons from nature, how about eggs, are you eating eggs or are you eating chickens?
#228 - powerfapping (02/06/2014) [-]
You obviously missed the point. A caterpillar is still the same species after it becomes a butterfly. That embryo is still a human (homo sapien) even after passing through multiple stages of development. Development does not change species, therefore it doesn't matter at what stage of development a human is, it's still a human. Also, feelings don't define humanity. Furthermore, not once did I state the value of a child's life is greater than the mothers. We had a whole discussion on that, I recommend you look back over it. Finally, i don't know if you know this, but the eggs you buy in a grocery store aren't fertilized, meaning they aren't living things. There is no embryo growing inside them. The life cycle hasn't even started, they are inanimate objects.
User avatar #229 - stifflimb (02/06/2014) [-]
Actually the caterpillar goes through metamorphis and changes species.
The embryo is still not a human being, it's a lump of cells that one day can form into a human being, but at that points it's just a collection of human cells.
You said yourself that the mothers life takes priority. So does that means the mothers life is more important than a child or more important than a lump of cells that can turn into a human some day.
So what does define humanity?!
A single drop of my blood contains my whole dna code but that drop of blood does not define as humanity, it's our brainactivity that does that, thats why when mentally ill people who does terrible thing are being called inhuman by normal people.
And I'm talking about even before stores and of other people who eat eggs, even though they are fertilized they cracked open an egg, not a chicken.
User avatar #94 - miscarriage (01/24/2014) [-]
You really like getting into arguments about abortion, huh?

I remember i got a legit mention from you one other time
#209 - powerfapping (01/26/2014) [-]
I'm sorry, this is really the one social issue I get particularly concerned with.
User avatar #211 - miscarriage (01/26/2014) [-]
It's cool
#73 - npfortytwo (01/24/2014) [-]
Not that I don't support abortion in some cases, but the heavily anti-abortion crowd usually says that life begins when an egg is fertilized by the sperm.
Jerking off wouldn't fall under that category, because the sperm doesn't fertilize anything.
User avatar #77 - stifflimb (01/24/2014) [-]
Hey the sperm is alive and it dies, and every egg that dont get fertilized is "a wasted chance of life".
It's just if every woman got pregnet all the time she could the earth would be flooded and even the abortion resistance realizes that.
Also the pregnancy can put the mothers life in jepordy, should we let the woman die since she knew it could happen, it's her fault?
User avatar #78 - npfortytwo (01/24/2014) [-]
Before you start hitting me with a bunch of abortion questions that I didn't mention (and after I stated that I support it), let me say again, while the sperm is alive, that's not where another life begins, or so claimed by pro-life advocates, who believe that another life only begins when the egg is fertilized.
User avatar #87 - stifflimb (01/24/2014) [-]
And sorry if I came onto strong, had people suddenly response me like crazy on a few comments.
User avatar #85 - stifflimb (01/24/2014) [-]
Yeah but the sperm and the eggs are chances to life, to not use them is to deny them the chance of life they could have turned into, and thats the same thing as abortions, it's terminating the chance of the life it could turn into.
User avatar #196 - npfortytwo (01/24/2014) [-]
Yet again, let me try and say this.
A fertilized egg will almost certainly develop into a fetus, which in turn, will become a human being. It is accepted that the egg, after being fertilized by a sperm will become a human life.
A single sperm cell has absolutely no chance of developing into an embryo without an egg, so it's accepted that a sperm cell will not become human life on its own.
A single egg cell has absolutely no chance of developing into an embryo with a sperm cell, so it's accepted that an egg cell will not become human life on its own.
Do you see what I'm saying?
User avatar #198 - stifflimb (01/24/2014) [-]
Will become a human llfe, finally you admited even though the egg is fertilized it is still not a human life.
And no stil not seeing what you trying to say, to deny a fetus to develop into a human life is the same as denying a egg or sperm to become human life also.
And if you still saying it's a human life why do you value the mothers life more than the child?
Same with a rape, why do you considered the fetus life be less than the discomfort of the mother?
User avatar #205 - npfortytwo (01/25/2014) [-]
I'm not fucking saying it's a human life - are you even reading this? As I've said repeatedly, that's the opinion of pro-life extremists, not mine. I don't see a fetus as a human life until the organs are fully developed, and the baby is clearly sentient (kicking, responding to noise, etc.), which occurs months into the pregnancy, and the point where most doctors won't perform an abortion.

User avatar #206 - stifflimb (01/25/2014) [-]
But you are still using their arguments, therfore you gotta stand when I bash you for it, so either drop their arguments and use your own or accept it.
User avatar #207 - npfortytwo (01/26/2014) [-]
Your "bashing" so far has only consisted of trying to redundantly disprove a simple point that I've made.
Also, I'm not using their arguments, I'm referencing them.
My argument is that sperm, without an egg to fertilize, is useless bodily fluid.
The argument that I was referencing is that life begins when the egg is fertilized by the sperm.
So let me repeat, for the fourth time, what I said: I'll even re-word it for you.
Sperm are so useless on their own that not even the heavily anti-abortion crowd would think that jacking off is ending a human life.
Because when you jack off, you aren't trying to conceive. The sperm contains genetic material, yes, but not nearly enough to be a human life on its own: the egg supplies the rest.
User avatar #208 - stifflimb (01/26/2014) [-]
Life is defined by something alive, sperm is alive, the eggs are alive and you self said that a fertilized egg WILL turn into a human life, therfore no real reason to why abortion would be wrong since it's not a human life yet.
Yeah sure it dont contain enough genetic material on it's own, but a fertilized egg wont grow on it's own either, it needs nutrient, warmth and protection from the mother so that point get pretty much ruined also for you.
And the "heavily anti-abortion crowd" sure as hell do use that argument with the saying it's a sin and such acts are only for procreation uses.
User avatar #212 - npfortytwo (01/26/2014) [-]
It's entirely impossible to talk to you, because you interpret literally everything I say the wrong way, unless you're actively seeking even the merest iota of something that you can argue out of every word I say.
So, for the last time, I'll lay it out as PLAINLY as I can.
1. I'm not against abortion. I think there needs to be a legitimate reason to have one, not just because two people fucked and then didn't want a kid.
2. Sperm is "alive" in the technical sense of the word, but we aren't talking about the nature of living organisms, we're talking about human lives. Sperm is not a human life. Sperm does not contain enough material for a human life. Neither do eggs.
3. The anti-abortion crowd may think masturbation is a sin, but that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, and you're using that entirely out of context. They think masturbation is a sin in general, not because it's "abortion".
4. Your comment about a fertilized egg not growing on its own doesn't prove or disprove any of the points I made.

I can't say it any better than I have already. Argue if you want, but I have nothing else to add. It's my opinion, and your attempts at interpreting it or arguing against it aren't going to influence me either way, and I can't help you try to see my point any better than I have.
User avatar #214 - stifflimb (01/26/2014) [-]
1. Yes cause it's better they might try to get rid of it themselfs, thet give birth to it and then toss it into a trashcan, or abandon it otherwise, how is that any wiser.
2. A fetus is not a human life, it's a mass of cells that can become a human being under right circumstances.
3. Yes it does, if abortian would be wrong cause it kills the potential of letting it become a human being, then every egg that dont get fertilized is the same cause we are denying it it's potential to become a human person.
4. Yes it does.

And odd I cant take anything you say seriously when you dont even stand for them, using excuses like, "I'm just using other people arguments, they are not my own therefor I dont stand for them." is pure bullshit, you are worse than people on this site that dont even dare to log in but still writes out hate comments.
User avatar #215 - npfortytwo (01/27/2014) [-]
1. What are you even saying? I said I supported abortion, when there's a reason. If the condom breaks, that's a reason. If the birth control fails, that's a reason. If it's a rape, that's a reason. But if you willingly fuck somebody without using any sort of contraceptive while knowing the risk, then you shouldn't get an abortion, because you knew the risk. Understand now?
2. I wasn't even talking about fetuses, again, I was talking about sperm. Sperm is not a fetus. Neither are eggs. And actually, you're thinking of an embryo, by the way - so you're wrong. When an embryo becomes a fetus, the heart and brain are already present. But again, we aren't talking about fetuses or embryos, it was about sperm.
3. When you jack off, are you jacking off because you want to reproduce, or for sexual pleasure? People don't conceive children with the intent of sexual pleasure, they conceive because they want to reproduce. And you aren't denying anything the chance to become a human when you masturbate because there are no eggs present.
4. Yes it does is not an answer. If you're going to try and prove or disprove something, at least attempt to give a reasoning behind it, instead of saying "yes it does".

Oddly, I can't take you seriously either, what with your horrendous grammar and clear failure to understand even the remotest thing I say. And for God's sake, how the fuck is anything I say a "hate comment"? These are "hate comments"? Are you shitting me? This is an opinion. Everybody has them.
Fine, I'll play that game: all of your comments are hate comments as well because I disagree with them. You are worse than the people on this website who log in and write hate comments. What you're saying is pure bullshit.
User avatar #216 - stifflimb (01/27/2014) [-]
Do you think every person in the world is fully lectured in all aspects of sex, and dont go if they dont know they are not mature enough to have it cause how the hell can they know that they have not been taught all things, and having abortions open for peoples choices is the best solution so they dont try to end it by themselfs or abandon the child. And having abortions only for people who tried to avoid it, now how do you plan to check that, you gonna have private detectives on every case that comes in?
Fine the embryo.
Letting the fucking egg die and be replaced by another is denying it to become a human being, if abortion would be wrong cause it "can" turn into a human being then also letting eggs go to waste is the same.
And why are you referring to other peoples opinions if you dont even stand for them, if you dont stand for them or believe in them why do you bring it up?!
User avatar #217 - npfortytwo (01/27/2014) [-]
1. If you don't know that having unprotected vaginal intercourse will almost certainly result in a pregnancy, than you probably aren't old enough to physically reproduce anyways, or you have a single-digit IQ. There are people around the world who aren't lectured in STD's or contraceptives, but if you don't know how reproduction works, then, odds are, you aren't able to reproduce. Also, not for nothing, but if there is an area in the world where people don't know how sex works at all, then I highly doubt that there is an abortion clinic that is open, or will open, in that area.
I don't know how they will regulate abortion. It's an opinion, and it's not my job or my decision to come up with the law.
2. Letting the eggs go to waste? Are you fucking high? Do you even realize what you're saying? Okay, so masturbation releases sperm which dies and somehow "denies an egg the chance to life". Guess what you also need to have a baby? Eggs. Guess what gets released naturally every month during the female menstrual cycle? Eggs. You're now implying that menstruation is abortion. Congratulations, you have reached a new level of idiocy.
I'm referring to other peoples' opinions because I was, and am, playing devils advocate here. Clearly, you're not doing a better job than I am, because you're arguing down to the bone about how I'm wrong, even when I've clearly explained my point.
User avatar #220 - stifflimb (01/28/2014) [-]
AND how many freaking myths are there not about sex, many of these myths some people do believe in, like pulling out makes it safe, doing it certain positions, at different times of the month, even if they do not get the proper education they still have sexual feelings and mankind, animalkind have always acted upon them.

I'm saying people who claim that a lump of cells without brain or any other organs is a full human being and therfore wanna restrict a persone choice of her own body should not be hypocrits and realize if they say it's wrong cause it has the potential to become a human being then they are also wrong for not fertilizing every egg they have since that egg is a potential for life.
I dont believe it cause I also dont believe a freaking embryo is the same thing as a human being, and I'm using the logic of people who claim that the embryo is a human being against them, that to this point wich you somehow miruacusly still have not gotten even though you dont even aren't against abortians

And why are you doing that, I fully already do realize what their thoughts and logic are based on and what point they wanna reach to, I thought about it and come to the conclusion NO, I dont agree to them even a little, if they dont like abortians fine they dont have to use them, but saying other people are not allowed to do it is denying peoples right do to what they want with their own body as long as it do not hurt others.
And even if you explained your point fully it do not make it right, moral do not have a clear right, it has sides.
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you proud of yourself?
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Language develops from poverty, if everyone had money, I'm pretty sure we'd all be astute.
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Language develops from regional characteristics, not poverty. Poorer areas don't have their own distinct accents and conversational traits. And no, people who have money speak in the way they were brought up. Money doesn't magically alter your voice and speech into some type of esoteric and archaic dialect.
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#54 - powerfapping (01/07/2014) [-]
I've got news for you, that's poverty's doing, not language.
User avatar #58 - agrofenlas (01/08/2014) [-]
Language develops from poverty, if everyone had money, I'm pretty sure we'd all be astute.
#59 - powerfapping (01/09/2014) [-]
Language develops from regional characteristics, not poverty. Poorer areas don't have their own distinct accents and conversational traits. And no, people who have money speak in the way they were brought up. Money doesn't magically alter your voice and speech into some type of esoteric and archaic dialect.
#45 - Yeah, I'm sure we're headed there real soon buddy.  [+] (6 new replies) 01/07/2014 on Don't like em +1
User avatar #46 - agrofenlas (01/07/2014) [-]
You haven't ever lived anywhere in the US. I almost feel bad for you, almost, but I can't take pity on privileged white kids.
#48 - powerfapping (01/07/2014) [-]
>Calls me a privileged white kid
>has computer and internet connection

I live on the west side of Cincinnati. Cincinnati is located in Ohio. I hope you didn't fail geography, otherwise how could you know that's in the U.S.? We're nowhere near what you're describing, and the evolution of language isn't going to take us there.


User avatar #49 - agrofenlas (01/07/2014) [-]
You've obviously never lived in hilltop, having some crip yelling nigganese in your face cause you're walking on his street. I grew up in a ghetto, full of drug addicts, and bangers with guns. You look at someone the wrong way, and they scream nonsense at you until either both of you have guns out, or one of you is bleeding on the ground.
#54 - powerfapping (01/07/2014) [-]
I've got news for you, that's poverty's doing, not language.
User avatar #58 - agrofenlas (01/08/2014) [-]
Language develops from poverty, if everyone had money, I'm pretty sure we'd all be astute.
#59 - powerfapping (01/09/2014) [-]
Language develops from regional characteristics, not poverty. Poorer areas don't have their own distinct accents and conversational traits. And no, people who have money speak in the way they were brought up. Money doesn't magically alter your voice and speech into some type of esoteric and archaic dialect.
#43 - It's called language. It's ever changing and it will continue …  [+] (8 new replies) 01/07/2014 on Don't like em +1
User avatar #44 - agrofenlas (01/07/2014) [-]
You know, until the norm is to bust a cap in someone who looks at you because society has become that violent...
#45 - powerfapping (01/07/2014) [-]
Yeah, I'm sure we're headed there real soon buddy.
User avatar #46 - agrofenlas (01/07/2014) [-]
You haven't ever lived anywhere in the US. I almost feel bad for you, almost, but I can't take pity on privileged white kids.
#48 - powerfapping (01/07/2014) [-]
>Calls me a privileged white kid
>has computer and internet connection

I live on the west side of Cincinnati. Cincinnati is located in Ohio. I hope you didn't fail geography, otherwise how could you know that's in the U.S.? We're nowhere near what you're describing, and the evolution of language isn't going to take us there.


User avatar #49 - agrofenlas (01/07/2014) [-]
You've obviously never lived in hilltop, having some crip yelling nigganese in your face cause you're walking on his street. I grew up in a ghetto, full of drug addicts, and bangers with guns. You look at someone the wrong way, and they scream nonsense at you until either both of you have guns out, or one of you is bleeding on the ground.
#54 - powerfapping (01/07/2014) [-]
I've got news for you, that's poverty's doing, not language.
User avatar #58 - agrofenlas (01/08/2014) [-]
Language develops from poverty, if everyone had money, I'm pretty sure we'd all be astute.
#59 - powerfapping (01/09/2014) [-]
Language develops from regional characteristics, not poverty. Poorer areas don't have their own distinct accents and conversational traits. And no, people who have money speak in the way they were brought up. Money doesn't magically alter your voice and speech into some type of esoteric and archaic dialect.
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User avatar #31 - agrofenlas (01/07/2014) [-]
Think of all the future generations who will read that as 'hashtag number' or the ones who won't know why we say 'roll down the window'. History is going to be lost on the young and ignorant, and to the coming tide of internet slang and popular media. If it continues, there might be a day where casual behavior is what we consider perverse today.
#43 - powerfapping (01/07/2014) [-]
It's called language. It's ever changing and it will continue to change just as it has for centuries. I don't give a damn how people will talk after the next few decades, because it will only change further in the decades following that. Get over it.
User avatar #44 - agrofenlas (01/07/2014) [-]
You know, until the norm is to bust a cap in someone who looks at you because society has become that violent...
#45 - powerfapping (01/07/2014) [-]
Yeah, I'm sure we're headed there real soon buddy.
User avatar #46 - agrofenlas (01/07/2014) [-]
You haven't ever lived anywhere in the US. I almost feel bad for you, almost, but I can't take pity on privileged white kids.
#48 - powerfapping (01/07/2014) [-]
>Calls me a privileged white kid
>has computer and internet connection

I live on the west side of Cincinnati. Cincinnati is located in Ohio. I hope you didn't fail geography, otherwise how could you know that's in the U.S.? We're nowhere near what you're describing, and the evolution of language isn't going to take us there.


User avatar #49 - agrofenlas (01/07/2014) [-]
You've obviously never lived in hilltop, having some crip yelling nigganese in your face cause you're walking on his street. I grew up in a ghetto, full of drug addicts, and bangers with guns. You look at someone the wrong way, and they scream nonsense at you until either both of you have guns out, or one of you is bleeding on the ground.
#54 - powerfapping (01/07/2014) [-]
I've got news for you, that's poverty's doing, not language.
User avatar #58 - agrofenlas (01/08/2014) [-]
Language develops from poverty, if everyone had money, I'm pretty sure we'd all be astute.
#59 - powerfapping (01/09/2014) [-]
Language develops from regional characteristics, not poverty. Poorer areas don't have their own distinct accents and conversational traits. And no, people who have money speak in the way they were brought up. Money doesn't magically alter your voice and speech into some type of esoteric and archaic dialect.
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I always use other spices like cayenne pepper or crushed red peppers, something to add more types of spice than just plain pepper.
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#76 - xxitzchubbsxx (12/24/2013) [-]
I didn't really want to get into an abortion argument but since i'm pretty much going to have to here goes.
There is a huge difference between abortion and murder of a newborn baby.
When a baby is in the womb they are living off the mother. They don't know how to do anything and have no consciousness of what is going on. As far as anything goes that "baby" is in the mothers hands and so it's life is completely up to her decision. It is not like aborting a 16 year old teenager who has a concept of death and would be scared. The life inside her has no impact on anything at all and if it is not there doesn't change anything. Saying this i am not saying women should be allowed to drink and take drugs etc. There are rules either you look after this baby properly who you have forced into this world or you get rid of it.
What makes this so different to your abortion argument is because once that baby is born it becomes a living creature capable of learning. It is not your right to take that away.
#472 - powerfapping (12/25/2013) [-]
None of those things you listed are actual differences. When a baby is in the womb, they are living off the mother, yea. So is an infant. That child depends on his mother for literally everything be it food, clothing or shelter. Is it okay to kill a newborn infant now?

Secondly, the mere fact that you assert a woman should not be allowed to drink or take drugs while pregnant means that there must be something worth protecting in that unborn child.
User avatar #227 - niggernazi (12/24/2013) [-]
''There is a huge difference between abortion and murder of a newborn baby.''

its actually not because you cannot hear the screams of a unborn baby as you scrape kill it in the vomb. which make it easier to kill him/her.

''When a baby is in the womb they are living off the mother. They don't know how to do anything and have no consciousness of what is going on''

well that is exactly the same with newborn babies. so by your logic its perfectly fine to kill babies? did you actually know that if you take a baby from its mother and leave it on the streets for three days he or she is gonna starve to death? yep because babies, just like fetuses cannot live whithout its mother.

you name has four x:s so i assume that you are just some retarded twelve year old faggot who plays cod all the days.

your arguments are fucking retarded and you should feel bad
#332 - xxitzchubbsxx (12/24/2013) [-]
I know a new born baby won't be able to live without his mother. My point was more that the baby no longer requires direct contact with it's mother to survive. I.e if the mother fucked off someone else can look after it. No hate though I don't really give a fuck.
#325 - xxitzchubbsxx (12/24/2013) [-]
lol my name came from my xbox live gamertag. It was half making fun of my mate who took the game really fucking serious and half it wouldn't accept any name i gave it that had to do with chubbs so i just put xx's and shit in there. I pretty much use that name for everything now.
What i wanted to say isn't entirely clear in this post because as i said i didn't really want to make an abortion post so i was writing quickly. So i made a boo boo okay.
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