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#15 - Can we discuss the guy on the left's choice of pants?  [+] (1 new reply) 03/13/2014 on My sex life in a nutshell +3
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#125 - Fair enough. 03/13/2014 on (untitled) 0
#117 - But sperm can't be considered humans because they only contain…  [+] (2 new replies) 03/13/2014 on (untitled) 0
User avatar #119 - choobe (03/13/2014) [-]
Eeh, I had the abort debate on this page once already. I'm not up for round two yet, so okay, sperm is not a living human.
#125 - powerfapping (03/13/2014) [-]
Fair enough.
#40 - Picture  [+] (1 new reply) 03/10/2014 on Sonder makes you ponder 0
User avatar #41 - AlexPaincakes (03/10/2014) [-]
Lol edgy.
#20 - Implying I still wouldn't do unspeakable things to her.  [+] (1 new reply) 03/10/2014 on Beauty Secret +5
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#61 - Nice non sequitur, ******* . How do you figure tha…  [+] (4 new replies) 03/10/2014 on I need to learn to do this. +1
User avatar #62 - detroitt (03/10/2014) [-]
I'm not. However, being a part of America, so I can fairly say this, this is the average attitude I hear everyday.
User avatar #63 - detroitt (03/10/2014) [-]
and see
User avatar #68 - epicpoke (03/10/2014) [-]
Psh... I am american and know a few "useless skills", such as singing y ABCs backwards or memorizing The Heavy's "House that Dirt Built" album.
User avatar #77 - detroitt (03/10/2014) [-]
im promoting the knowledge of 'useless skills', dont get me wrong.
#243 - Picture 03/10/2014 on I'm aroused and afraid... +2
#29 - Ya know, that is pretty resourceful. 03/03/2014 on that feel when no one to... +5
#12 - Picture  [+] (5 new replies) 02/26/2014 on buget cuts -33
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#13 - slugnugget (02/26/2014) [-]
Cant afford prop light sabres so hes using a skylight instead.
#40 - Let me handle this like I handle most political posts: … 02/24/2014 on Debt +2
#29 - Does anyone have the actual image being described? 02/19/2014 on Saw this at the Creation... 0
#328 - I know a lot of girls who refer to their boyfriends as their &… 02/19/2014 on MOST BETA MAN ALIVE +1
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#174 - You bet your goddamned ass. 02/06/2014 on Anon Goes Goes To Target +1
#228 - You obviously missed the point. A caterpillar is still the sam…  [+] (1 new reply) 02/06/2014 on Abortion. 0
User avatar #229 - stifflimb (02/06/2014) [-]
Actually the caterpillar goes through metamorphis and changes species.
The embryo is still not a human being, it's a lump of cells that one day can form into a human being, but at that points it's just a collection of human cells.
You said yourself that the mothers life takes priority. So does that means the mothers life is more important than a child or more important than a lump of cells that can turn into a human some day.
So what does define humanity?!
A single drop of my blood contains my whole dna code but that drop of blood does not define as humanity, it's our brainactivity that does that, thats why when mentally ill people who does terrible thing are being called inhuman by normal people.
And I'm talking about even before stores and of other people who eat eggs, even though they are fertilized they cracked open an egg, not a chicken.
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#226 - Your hair, skin, and blood are components of the human body. T…  [+] (3 new replies) 02/02/2014 on Abortion. 0
User avatar #227 - stifflimb (02/02/2014) [-]
Yeah and the caterpillar is still just a caterpillar, just like a embryo is a embryo and not a human being.
And it will devlop, so what, it has not developed it, it got no feelings or anything, and how can you claim it's a human life if it's still less worth than the mothers life?!
And if you wanna do these comparisons from nature, how about eggs, are you eating eggs or are you eating chickens?
#228 - powerfapping (02/06/2014) [-]
You obviously missed the point. A caterpillar is still the same species after it becomes a butterfly. That embryo is still a human (homo sapien) even after passing through multiple stages of development. Development does not change species, therefore it doesn't matter at what stage of development a human is, it's still a human. Also, feelings don't define humanity. Furthermore, not once did I state the value of a child's life is greater than the mothers. We had a whole discussion on that, I recommend you look back over it. Finally, i don't know if you know this, but the eggs you buy in a grocery store aren't fertilized, meaning they aren't living things. There is no embryo growing inside them. The life cycle hasn't even started, they are inanimate objects.
User avatar #229 - stifflimb (02/06/2014) [-]
Actually the caterpillar goes through metamorphis and changes species.
The embryo is still not a human being, it's a lump of cells that one day can form into a human being, but at that points it's just a collection of human cells.
You said yourself that the mothers life takes priority. So does that means the mothers life is more important than a child or more important than a lump of cells that can turn into a human some day.
So what does define humanity?!
A single drop of my blood contains my whole dna code but that drop of blood does not define as humanity, it's our brainactivity that does that, thats why when mentally ill people who does terrible thing are being called inhuman by normal people.
And I'm talking about even before stores and of other people who eat eggs, even though they are fertilized they cracked open an egg, not a chicken.
#224 - If you're too lazy to cite an example of your own argument, I'…  [+] (5 new replies) 01/30/2014 on Abortion. 0
User avatar #225 - stifflimb (01/30/2014) [-]
No I do not since I'm for abortions! Have you not gotten that yet?!
And if abortions is murder so is the procedure to kill the fetus/embryo to save the life of the mother.
Yes a lot of women get depressed after having an abortion, the reasons as to why is harder to say, could be they feel quilty, could be people around them pressure them and makes them depressed, but how many women gets pregnent and gives birth to a child without getting depressed, almost none, depression is a common thing in childbirth.
So if we gonna avoid having women get depressed we should also outlaw childbirth, bulletproof plan.

And why dont we celebrate the moment they are concieved, cause to many died before being born, it was easier to use birth date as the ground of celebrations.
You only stated why we celebrated birth.

Yeah also my hair, skin and blood also have human DNA, does not mean I go around collecting it, it's mostly dead and dont have any thoughts of it's own.
Just like the lump of stemcells dont either.
#226 - powerfapping (02/02/2014) [-]
Your hair, skin, and blood are components of the human body. They come from that lump of stem cells. Of course your hair, skin, and blood cells don't have thoughts (though more than I can detect coming out of you), they're specialized cells already designated for a specific purpose. And at least use some form of common sense when you argue that the embryo has no thoughts or heartbeat. No shit. It's a human at the earliest stage of development. That doesn't make it less human. The fact of the matter is that it will definitely develop that human brain activity and heartbeat. It will definitely grow limbs and start to move. It will definitely develop a brain with the capacity for reason. If you'd like another example of this in nature, look at caterpillars and butterflies. A caterpillar is just an early stage of development. After it takes on a radical change, it's a butterfly. Metamorphosis doesn't change the species of that caterpillar any more than the development of a heartbeat changes that of the unborn child. It's human. It can't be anything else. Get over it.
User avatar #227 - stifflimb (02/02/2014) [-]
Yeah and the caterpillar is still just a caterpillar, just like a embryo is a embryo and not a human being.
And it will devlop, so what, it has not developed it, it got no feelings or anything, and how can you claim it's a human life if it's still less worth than the mothers life?!
And if you wanna do these comparisons from nature, how about eggs, are you eating eggs or are you eating chickens?
#228 - powerfapping (02/06/2014) [-]
You obviously missed the point. A caterpillar is still the same species after it becomes a butterfly. That embryo is still a human (homo sapien) even after passing through multiple stages of development. Development does not change species, therefore it doesn't matter at what stage of development a human is, it's still a human. Also, feelings don't define humanity. Furthermore, not once did I state the value of a child's life is greater than the mothers. We had a whole discussion on that, I recommend you look back over it. Finally, i don't know if you know this, but the eggs you buy in a grocery store aren't fertilized, meaning they aren't living things. There is no embryo growing inside them. The life cycle hasn't even started, they are inanimate objects.
User avatar #229 - stifflimb (02/06/2014) [-]
Actually the caterpillar goes through metamorphis and changes species.
The embryo is still not a human being, it's a lump of cells that one day can form into a human being, but at that points it's just a collection of human cells.
You said yourself that the mothers life takes priority. So does that means the mothers life is more important than a child or more important than a lump of cells that can turn into a human some day.
So what does define humanity?!
A single drop of my blood contains my whole dna code but that drop of blood does not define as humanity, it's our brainactivity that does that, thats why when mentally ill people who does terrible thing are being called inhuman by normal people.
And I'm talking about even before stores and of other people who eat eggs, even though they are fertilized they cracked open an egg, not a chicken.
#218 - Please site me one instance of a person killing their child be…  [+] (7 new replies) 01/27/2014 on Abortion. 0
User avatar #219 - stifflimb (01/28/2014) [-]
What you have heard or not is not my issue, go look it up yourself, you got google use it. You mean suddenly the operation become responsible cause the parent is with her?! And no the parent will not necessarily know. The positive aspect of it is she wont be a teenage mom while she really do not want to and wont dispose of the child in another matter.

He is killing the fetus/embryo knowingly so the fetus/embryo is murdered, dont matter if it's his intention. And it's not a human being, it's a lump of cells with no brain or organ function.
You just said killing the fetus/embryo would be okey to save the mothers life but saying a rape victim must give birth to the child, many women have commited suicide cause of rape without being pregnent, forcing them to carry their child also would most likely skyrocket the suicide number or she might try doing an abortion with her own hands.

You go look it up yourself why people been celebrating the date the child is born for millenias. Yes at that point we considered the fetus to be a human being when it has developed that far.
And dont think it's wrong to jack off cause I dont see a life form of that degree to be so important. The skin cells that fall of in a shower is from the outer layer of the skin and they are already dead, hair is also made up off dead cells.
#224 - powerfapping (01/30/2014) [-]
If you're too lazy to cite an example of your own argument, I'm just going to assume you don't have one. And no, the operation doesn't become responsible with a parent there. It's not responsible at all really, that's one of the reasons abortions should not be allowed, that and the murder of a human child.

No, that's not murder, but at least you're trying to seem intelligent. I guess you find it better to just let the mother die and then the child dies anyway? Seeing as you can't save both, you may as well save one. And if you want to talk about the mental state of rape victims, maybe you should do some research on the mental health of women who have had abortions, especially after rape. It's appalling how many women become depressed and suicidal. Many have breakdowns. Why? Because they feel guilty. They killed a child, their own child at that. That's why this shouldn't be legal, so no woman will ever have to feel that.

I looked up your birthday thing. Turns out you are in fact wrong, just like I said. Birthdays are just another ritual that we as humans have assigned to certain events in our lives. And no, that child is definitely human from conception. If you were to take a cell from a human embryo, you could analyze its DNA and find it to be human. You can't dispute that. A Homo Sapien (That's our species in case you didn't know) is a Homo Sapien, regardless of the state of development. That "lump of cells" can't be anything but human.
User avatar #225 - stifflimb (01/30/2014) [-]
No I do not since I'm for abortions! Have you not gotten that yet?!
And if abortions is murder so is the procedure to kill the fetus/embryo to save the life of the mother.
Yes a lot of women get depressed after having an abortion, the reasons as to why is harder to say, could be they feel quilty, could be people around them pressure them and makes them depressed, but how many women gets pregnent and gives birth to a child without getting depressed, almost none, depression is a common thing in childbirth.
So if we gonna avoid having women get depressed we should also outlaw childbirth, bulletproof plan.

And why dont we celebrate the moment they are concieved, cause to many died before being born, it was easier to use birth date as the ground of celebrations.
You only stated why we celebrated birth.

Yeah also my hair, skin and blood also have human DNA, does not mean I go around collecting it, it's mostly dead and dont have any thoughts of it's own.
Just like the lump of stemcells dont either.
#226 - powerfapping (02/02/2014) [-]
Your hair, skin, and blood are components of the human body. They come from that lump of stem cells. Of course your hair, skin, and blood cells don't have thoughts (though more than I can detect coming out of you), they're specialized cells already designated for a specific purpose. And at least use some form of common sense when you argue that the embryo has no thoughts or heartbeat. No shit. It's a human at the earliest stage of development. That doesn't make it less human. The fact of the matter is that it will definitely develop that human brain activity and heartbeat. It will definitely grow limbs and start to move. It will definitely develop a brain with the capacity for reason. If you'd like another example of this in nature, look at caterpillars and butterflies. A caterpillar is just an early stage of development. After it takes on a radical change, it's a butterfly. Metamorphosis doesn't change the species of that caterpillar any more than the development of a heartbeat changes that of the unborn child. It's human. It can't be anything else. Get over it.
User avatar #227 - stifflimb (02/02/2014) [-]
Yeah and the caterpillar is still just a caterpillar, just like a embryo is a embryo and not a human being.
And it will devlop, so what, it has not developed it, it got no feelings or anything, and how can you claim it's a human life if it's still less worth than the mothers life?!
And if you wanna do these comparisons from nature, how about eggs, are you eating eggs or are you eating chickens?
#228 - powerfapping (02/06/2014) [-]
You obviously missed the point. A caterpillar is still the same species after it becomes a butterfly. That embryo is still a human (homo sapien) even after passing through multiple stages of development. Development does not change species, therefore it doesn't matter at what stage of development a human is, it's still a human. Also, feelings don't define humanity. Furthermore, not once did I state the value of a child's life is greater than the mothers. We had a whole discussion on that, I recommend you look back over it. Finally, i don't know if you know this, but the eggs you buy in a grocery store aren't fertilized, meaning they aren't living things. There is no embryo growing inside them. The life cycle hasn't even started, they are inanimate objects.
User avatar #229 - stifflimb (02/06/2014) [-]
Actually the caterpillar goes through metamorphis and changes species.
The embryo is still not a human being, it's a lump of cells that one day can form into a human being, but at that points it's just a collection of human cells.
You said yourself that the mothers life takes priority. So does that means the mothers life is more important than a child or more important than a lump of cells that can turn into a human some day.
So what does define humanity?!
A single drop of my blood contains my whole dna code but that drop of blood does not define as humanity, it's our brainactivity that does that, thats why when mentally ill people who does terrible thing are being called inhuman by normal people.
And I'm talking about even before stores and of other people who eat eggs, even though they are fertilized they cracked open an egg, not a chicken.
#66 - Okay, so what Americans call fries are actually chips in Engla…  [+] (11 new replies) 01/26/2014 on USA vs England +17
#105 - nimba (01/26/2014) [-]
Except for these, which are crisps
User avatar #72 - jpg (01/26/2014) [-]
Kind of. British chips are like fries, but much thicker.
User avatar #88 - SuperSixONE (01/26/2014) [-]
Fries are of all thicknesses.
User avatar #90 - jpg (01/26/2014) [-]
It tends to be that fries are thin (like what you'd find at most kebab shops and fast food restaurants), where as chips are thick (like what you'd find at a fish and chip shop, or an all you can eat).
#93 - irishlawyer (01/26/2014) [-]
You can get fries in America that are thick like the ones found in England, they're not all really thin
User avatar #92 - SuperSixONE (01/26/2014) [-]
You guys have kebab shops? Geez.

Anyway, in the U.S., fries cover everything that is know as "fry" "chip" and whatever. It's harder to find thin fries than thick ones. Thin ones are usually at fast food restaurants and maybe Italian restaurants. Usually anywhere else has thicker fries.
User avatar #94 - jpg (01/26/2014) [-]
Kebab shops, every kind of Asian take-away, pizza shops, pie and mash shops, etc.

We love our drunken/hangover foods.
User avatar #104 - SuperSixONE (01/26/2014) [-]
You guys call take-out take-away?
Can you eat in at those places or is it only take-away?
User avatar #109 - jpg (01/26/2014) [-]
We call it take-away, and generally you can't eat inside (though there are exceptions).
User avatar #68 - chenn (01/26/2014) [-]
Yes. And what Americans call chips are crisps in England.
User avatar #159 - Rei (01/26/2014) [-]
Australian's call chips, hot chips and crisp, chips.
#210 - Your first argument is completely moronic. You're telling me t…  [+] (9 new replies) 01/26/2014 on Abortion. 0
User avatar #213 - stifflimb (01/26/2014) [-]
I'm not saying that it's smart to do it witthout contraceptives or they should, it still happens and people still gets pregnant even though they use contraceptives. And you do realize there are people who would kill their own children for getting knocked up, it's wrong yes but it do happen, that's one of the reasons why there exist free clinics where the adult dont even have to be there or know about it.

Not morally at fault, he's still murdering the fetus for the mothers life, therfore the fetus is not considered a human being. And what about rape victims, are you saying they need to be forced to give birth or is the fetus life not even worth the discomfort it brings the woman?!

And medecin have set an age where they think the fetus become a full human being with it's own life (think when it's 4-5 months old) and after that they refuse to do abortians, that is a good way for it to be, people have the option but need to act upon it.
And we celebrate birthdays on the day the child is born cause of how many children used to die during birth.
And you still use the argument that it's alive and therefor wrong, sperm can live for days depending on where it ends up, you are still killing that every time you wang it off, and it's okey cause it's a life form we do not really value, as are animals we use for food or plants, they are not human beings and therfore valued less.
#218 - powerfapping (01/27/2014) [-]
Please site me one instance of a person killing their child because she got pregnant. I've never heard of a single case of that happening. And allowing teenage girls to go, without an adult, and have a dangerous procedure done which may permanently damage her body is idiotic. It's irresponsible. I can't think of a single positive aspect of a young girl doing that. And no, that parent will definitely find out one way or another. If we're in your little "highly religious" society, someone is going to talk to someone else and word gets around.

No, he's not murdering anyone. He's saving the mother. Now, the process by which he saves her may harm the child, but that wasn't his intention. And yes, it is a human being. Also, yes, I think a woman who is the victim of rape should carry the child. If she cannot, or does not wish, to raise the child, she should give it up for adoption.

And no, medicine has not discerned when a child is "fully human" as you so eloquently put it. They have determined a date at which it is illegal to abort. That date is based on when nerve systems and heartbeats develop. After that point, it becomes a "late term abortion," the methods of which are disgusting and vile because the child can feel and sense everything happening to it. And I don't know where you found that reason for celebrating birthdays, but I can tell you it is completely false. Yea, it's completely okay for me to jerk it into a tissue and throw it away. You're right, it's a lesser life-form, of which I make a few billion in a lifetime. I guess you think it's wrong to shower and wash yourself too, because it's killing skin cells. Or perhaps cutting your hair is a crime against humanity because of all the cells you've destroyed. You see what I'm getting at? Those organisms are part of my body, and they cannot possibly form a new human. Sperm are cells which cannot form a human without an egg to fertilize. And even then, only one sperm out of thousands fertilizes the egg.
User avatar #219 - stifflimb (01/28/2014) [-]
What you have heard or not is not my issue, go look it up yourself, you got google use it. You mean suddenly the operation become responsible cause the parent is with her?! And no the parent will not necessarily know. The positive aspect of it is she wont be a teenage mom while she really do not want to and wont dispose of the child in another matter.

He is killing the fetus/embryo knowingly so the fetus/embryo is murdered, dont matter if it's his intention. And it's not a human being, it's a lump of cells with no brain or organ function.
You just said killing the fetus/embryo would be okey to save the mothers life but saying a rape victim must give birth to the child, many women have commited suicide cause of rape without being pregnent, forcing them to carry their child also would most likely skyrocket the suicide number or she might try doing an abortion with her own hands.

You go look it up yourself why people been celebrating the date the child is born for millenias. Yes at that point we considered the fetus to be a human being when it has developed that far.
And dont think it's wrong to jack off cause I dont see a life form of that degree to be so important. The skin cells that fall of in a shower is from the outer layer of the skin and they are already dead, hair is also made up off dead cells.
#224 - powerfapping (01/30/2014) [-]
If you're too lazy to cite an example of your own argument, I'm just going to assume you don't have one. And no, the operation doesn't become responsible with a parent there. It's not responsible at all really, that's one of the reasons abortions should not be allowed, that and the murder of a human child.

No, that's not murder, but at least you're trying to seem intelligent. I guess you find it better to just let the mother die and then the child dies anyway? Seeing as you can't save both, you may as well save one. And if you want to talk about the mental state of rape victims, maybe you should do some research on the mental health of women who have had abortions, especially after rape. It's appalling how many women become depressed and suicidal. Many have breakdowns. Why? Because they feel guilty. They killed a child, their own child at that. That's why this shouldn't be legal, so no woman will ever have to feel that.

I looked up your birthday thing. Turns out you are in fact wrong, just like I said. Birthdays are just another ritual that we as humans have assigned to certain events in our lives. And no, that child is definitely human from conception. If you were to take a cell from a human embryo, you could analyze its DNA and find it to be human. You can't dispute that. A Homo Sapien (That's our species in case you didn't know) is a Homo Sapien, regardless of the state of development. That "lump of cells" can't be anything but human.
User avatar #225 - stifflimb (01/30/2014) [-]
No I do not since I'm for abortions! Have you not gotten that yet?!
And if abortions is murder so is the procedure to kill the fetus/embryo to save the life of the mother.
Yes a lot of women get depressed after having an abortion, the reasons as to why is harder to say, could be they feel quilty, could be people around them pressure them and makes them depressed, but how many women gets pregnent and gives birth to a child without getting depressed, almost none, depression is a common thing in childbirth.
So if we gonna avoid having women get depressed we should also outlaw childbirth, bulletproof plan.

And why dont we celebrate the moment they are concieved, cause to many died before being born, it was easier to use birth date as the ground of celebrations.
You only stated why we celebrated birth.

Yeah also my hair, skin and blood also have human DNA, does not mean I go around collecting it, it's mostly dead and dont have any thoughts of it's own.
Just like the lump of stemcells dont either.
#226 - powerfapping (02/02/2014) [-]
Your hair, skin, and blood are components of the human body. They come from that lump of stem cells. Of course your hair, skin, and blood cells don't have thoughts (though more than I can detect coming out of you), they're specialized cells already designated for a specific purpose. And at least use some form of common sense when you argue that the embryo has no thoughts or heartbeat. No shit. It's a human at the earliest stage of development. That doesn't make it less human. The fact of the matter is that it will definitely develop that human brain activity and heartbeat. It will definitely grow limbs and start to move. It will definitely develop a brain with the capacity for reason. If you'd like another example of this in nature, look at caterpillars and butterflies. A caterpillar is just an early stage of development. After it takes on a radical change, it's a butterfly. Metamorphosis doesn't change the species of that caterpillar any more than the development of a heartbeat changes that of the unborn child. It's human. It can't be anything else. Get over it.
User avatar #227 - stifflimb (02/02/2014) [-]
Yeah and the caterpillar is still just a caterpillar, just like a embryo is a embryo and not a human being.
And it will devlop, so what, it has not developed it, it got no feelings or anything, and how can you claim it's a human life if it's still less worth than the mothers life?!
And if you wanna do these comparisons from nature, how about eggs, are you eating eggs or are you eating chickens?
#228 - powerfapping (02/06/2014) [-]
You obviously missed the point. A caterpillar is still the same species after it becomes a butterfly. That embryo is still a human (homo sapien) even after passing through multiple stages of development. Development does not change species, therefore it doesn't matter at what stage of development a human is, it's still a human. Also, feelings don't define humanity. Furthermore, not once did I state the value of a child's life is greater than the mothers. We had a whole discussion on that, I recommend you look back over it. Finally, i don't know if you know this, but the eggs you buy in a grocery store aren't fertilized, meaning they aren't living things. There is no embryo growing inside them. The life cycle hasn't even started, they are inanimate objects.
User avatar #229 - stifflimb (02/06/2014) [-]
Actually the caterpillar goes through metamorphis and changes species.
The embryo is still not a human being, it's a lump of cells that one day can form into a human being, but at that points it's just a collection of human cells.
You said yourself that the mothers life takes priority. So does that means the mothers life is more important than a child or more important than a lump of cells that can turn into a human some day.
So what does define humanity?!
A single drop of my blood contains my whole dna code but that drop of blood does not define as humanity, it's our brainactivity that does that, thats why when mentally ill people who does terrible thing are being called inhuman by normal people.
And I'm talking about even before stores and of other people who eat eggs, even though they are fertilized they cracked open an egg, not a chicken.
#209 - I'm sorry, this is really the one social issue I get particula…  [+] (1 new reply) 01/26/2014 on Abortion. 0
User avatar #211 - miscarriage (01/26/2014) [-]
It's cool
#93 - Can you at least specify how young this hypothetical teenager …  [+] (14 new replies) 01/24/2014 on Abortion. -1
User avatar #98 - stifflimb (01/24/2014) [-]
I dont even have a specifik age in mind since that the age to have sex differs from person to person. There are towns/societys that are hight religious were sex aint really a thing that are allowed unless wed, or everyone knows everyone, go by condoms from the store where the manager talks with any of your parents daily when parents are extreme strict about sex issues, not likely you would.

So in that situation it's okey to say fuck the fetus lets go for the mother, what makes the mothers life more valuable than the fetus if it's already a human person?
And if it's a human person when conceived why dont it get social security number and such the moment it's been confirmed to exist, it waits until it's born for the goverment to formally recognize it to be a human person.

No it's not, a fertilized egg is definite to have the potential to become a human if allowed to grow.
If I cut off my hand but it would get wired up to get blood and nutrients (not possible in today I know lets say if) it would create skin and heal itself, therefor it would grow and be considered a human being since it's alive and growing, cause if it that lump of flesh, bone, organ and complicated blood system is not considered a person then a lump of stemcells is not either.
#210 - powerfapping (01/26/2014) [-]
Your first argument is completely moronic. You're telling me that if a girl is too scared to go by contraceptives, or a guy is too self-conscious to buy condoms, they should fuck anyway and just get an abortion? Yea, that's way safer right? Wrong. And I said it before, so I'll say it again. Try real hard to understand this okay? If you live in a "highly religious society(?)" and you're afraid of what a bunch of bible-thumpers think about your sexual activity, YOU ARE NOT MATURE ENOUGH FOR SEX. And if you think buying contraceptives would cause a lot of commotion in this hypothetical society, what the hell do you think having an abortion would cause people to say?

Yes, in that situation where the mother is dying, it's up to the doctors to keep her alive. It's the same way when the fetus is dying, the doctors have to keep it alive. This isn't a particularly hard concept. If the mother is in danger, the doctor must perform whatever procedure is necessary to keep her alive, just like any other patient, pregnant or otherwise. If that procedure harms or kills the child, it's unfortunate. As long as the intent is to save a life, the doctor is not morally at fault. It's a terrible situation, but it happens. And a child is not given all its legal information at conception because it usually takes a bit of time for women to realize they are pregnant. When do most women notice? After a missed period. So how do you propose we determine the exact moment of conception? We give dates and time of birth because it's easier for us to measure and observe. That however, is completely arbitrary. We could just as well, instead of birthdays, make a day of when the child's heart started beating. The reason we don't is because it's easier to observe birth.

I really don't see how you can be this stupid. Potential for life, is not the same as actual life. That mass of stem cells, is definitely life. It does not have the potential to be alive, it is alive.
User avatar #213 - stifflimb (01/26/2014) [-]
I'm not saying that it's smart to do it witthout contraceptives or they should, it still happens and people still gets pregnant even though they use contraceptives. And you do realize there are people who would kill their own children for getting knocked up, it's wrong yes but it do happen, that's one of the reasons why there exist free clinics where the adult dont even have to be there or know about it.

Not morally at fault, he's still murdering the fetus for the mothers life, therfore the fetus is not considered a human being. And what about rape victims, are you saying they need to be forced to give birth or is the fetus life not even worth the discomfort it brings the woman?!

And medecin have set an age where they think the fetus become a full human being with it's own life (think when it's 4-5 months old) and after that they refuse to do abortians, that is a good way for it to be, people have the option but need to act upon it.
And we celebrate birthdays on the day the child is born cause of how many children used to die during birth.
And you still use the argument that it's alive and therefor wrong, sperm can live for days depending on where it ends up, you are still killing that every time you wang it off, and it's okey cause it's a life form we do not really value, as are animals we use for food or plants, they are not human beings and therfore valued less.
#218 - powerfapping (01/27/2014) [-]
Please site me one instance of a person killing their child because she got pregnant. I've never heard of a single case of that happening. And allowing teenage girls to go, without an adult, and have a dangerous procedure done which may permanently damage her body is idiotic. It's irresponsible. I can't think of a single positive aspect of a young girl doing that. And no, that parent will definitely find out one way or another. If we're in your little "highly religious" society, someone is going to talk to someone else and word gets around.

No, he's not murdering anyone. He's saving the mother. Now, the process by which he saves her may harm the child, but that wasn't his intention. And yes, it is a human being. Also, yes, I think a woman who is the victim of rape should carry the child. If she cannot, or does not wish, to raise the child, she should give it up for adoption.

And no, medicine has not discerned when a child is "fully human" as you so eloquently put it. They have determined a date at which it is illegal to abort. That date is based on when nerve systems and heartbeats develop. After that point, it becomes a "late term abortion," the methods of which are disgusting and vile because the child can feel and sense everything happening to it. And I don't know where you found that reason for celebrating birthdays, but I can tell you it is completely false. Yea, it's completely okay for me to jerk it into a tissue and throw it away. You're right, it's a lesser life-form, of which I make a few billion in a lifetime. I guess you think it's wrong to shower and wash yourself too, because it's killing skin cells. Or perhaps cutting your hair is a crime against humanity because of all the cells you've destroyed. You see what I'm getting at? Those organisms are part of my body, and they cannot possibly form a new human. Sperm are cells which cannot form a human without an egg to fertilize. And even then, only one sperm out of thousands fertilizes the egg.
User avatar #219 - stifflimb (01/28/2014) [-]
What you have heard or not is not my issue, go look it up yourself, you got google use it. You mean suddenly the operation become responsible cause the parent is with her?! And no the parent will not necessarily know. The positive aspect of it is she wont be a teenage mom while she really do not want to and wont dispose of the child in another matter.

He is killing the fetus/embryo knowingly so the fetus/embryo is murdered, dont matter if it's his intention. And it's not a human being, it's a lump of cells with no brain or organ function.
You just said killing the fetus/embryo would be okey to save the mothers life but saying a rape victim must give birth to the child, many women have commited suicide cause of rape without being pregnent, forcing them to carry their child also would most likely skyrocket the suicide number or she might try doing an abortion with her own hands.

You go look it up yourself why people been celebrating the date the child is born for millenias. Yes at that point we considered the fetus to be a human being when it has developed that far.
And dont think it's wrong to jack off cause I dont see a life form of that degree to be so important. The skin cells that fall of in a shower is from the outer layer of the skin and they are already dead, hair is also made up off dead cells.
#224 - powerfapping (01/30/2014) [-]
If you're too lazy to cite an example of your own argument, I'm just going to assume you don't have one. And no, the operation doesn't become responsible with a parent there. It's not responsible at all really, that's one of the reasons abortions should not be allowed, that and the murder of a human child.

No, that's not murder, but at least you're trying to seem intelligent. I guess you find it better to just let the mother die and then the child dies anyway? Seeing as you can't save both, you may as well save one. And if you want to talk about the mental state of rape victims, maybe you should do some research on the mental health of women who have had abortions, especially after rape. It's appalling how many women become depressed and suicidal. Many have breakdowns. Why? Because they feel guilty. They killed a child, their own child at that. That's why this shouldn't be legal, so no woman will ever have to feel that.

I looked up your birthday thing. Turns out you are in fact wrong, just like I said. Birthdays are just another ritual that we as humans have assigned to certain events in our lives. And no, that child is definitely human from conception. If you were to take a cell from a human embryo, you could analyze its DNA and find it to be human. You can't dispute that. A Homo Sapien (That's our species in case you didn't know) is a Homo Sapien, regardless of the state of development. That "lump of cells" can't be anything but human.
User avatar #225 - stifflimb (01/30/2014) [-]
No I do not since I'm for abortions! Have you not gotten that yet?!
And if abortions is murder so is the procedure to kill the fetus/embryo to save the life of the mother.
Yes a lot of women get depressed after having an abortion, the reasons as to why is harder to say, could be they feel quilty, could be people around them pressure them and makes them depressed, but how many women gets pregnent and gives birth to a child without getting depressed, almost none, depression is a common thing in childbirth.
So if we gonna avoid having women get depressed we should also outlaw childbirth, bulletproof plan.

And why dont we celebrate the moment they are concieved, cause to many died before being born, it was easier to use birth date as the ground of celebrations.
You only stated why we celebrated birth.

Yeah also my hair, skin and blood also have human DNA, does not mean I go around collecting it, it's mostly dead and dont have any thoughts of it's own.
Just like the lump of stemcells dont either.
#226 - powerfapping (02/02/2014) [-]
Your hair, skin, and blood are components of the human body. They come from that lump of stem cells. Of course your hair, skin, and blood cells don't have thoughts (though more than I can detect coming out of you), they're specialized cells already designated for a specific purpose. And at least use some form of common sense when you argue that the embryo has no thoughts or heartbeat. No shit. It's a human at the earliest stage of development. That doesn't make it less human. The fact of the matter is that it will definitely develop that human brain activity and heartbeat. It will definitely grow limbs and start to move. It will definitely develop a brain with the capacity for reason. If you'd like another example of this in nature, look at caterpillars and butterflies. A caterpillar is just an early stage of development. After it takes on a radical change, it's a butterfly. Metamorphosis doesn't change the species of that caterpillar any more than the development of a heartbeat changes that of the unborn child. It's human. It can't be anything else. Get over it.
User avatar #227 - stifflimb (02/02/2014) [-]
Yeah and the caterpillar is still just a caterpillar, just like a embryo is a embryo and not a human being.
And it will devlop, so what, it has not developed it, it got no feelings or anything, and how can you claim it's a human life if it's still less worth than the mothers life?!
And if you wanna do these comparisons from nature, how about eggs, are you eating eggs or are you eating chickens?
#228 - powerfapping (02/06/2014) [-]
You obviously missed the point. A caterpillar is still the same species after it becomes a butterfly. That embryo is still a human (homo sapien) even after passing through multiple stages of development. Development does not change species, therefore it doesn't matter at what stage of development a human is, it's still a human. Also, feelings don't define humanity. Furthermore, not once did I state the value of a child's life is greater than the mothers. We had a whole discussion on that, I recommend you look back over it. Finally, i don't know if you know this, but the eggs you buy in a grocery store aren't fertilized, meaning they aren't living things. There is no embryo growing inside them. The life cycle hasn't even started, they are inanimate objects.
User avatar #229 - stifflimb (02/06/2014) [-]
Actually the caterpillar goes through metamorphis and changes species.
The embryo is still not a human being, it's a lump of cells that one day can form into a human being, but at that points it's just a collection of human cells.
You said yourself that the mothers life takes priority. So does that means the mothers life is more important than a child or more important than a lump of cells that can turn into a human some day.
So what does define humanity?!
A single drop of my blood contains my whole dna code but that drop of blood does not define as humanity, it's our brainactivity that does that, thats why when mentally ill people who does terrible thing are being called inhuman by normal people.
And I'm talking about even before stores and of other people who eat eggs, even though they are fertilized they cracked open an egg, not a chicken.
User avatar #94 - miscarriage (01/24/2014) [-]
You really like getting into arguments about abortion, huh?

I remember i got a legit mention from you one other time
#209 - powerfapping (01/26/2014) [-]
I'm sorry, this is really the one social issue I get particularly concerned with.
User avatar #211 - miscarriage (01/26/2014) [-]
It's cool
#88 - If a teen is still young enough that their parents are actuall…  [+] (16 new replies) 01/24/2014 on Abortion. -3
User avatar #89 - stifflimb (01/24/2014) [-]
Yes cause all parents are understanding if their kids wanna have sex b4 leaving the house or get married, and what about people that lives in high religious societys.

What if having the child will kill the mother and they know it from the beginning?

Hell my hair and skin cells have human dna, does that mean I cant cut my hair anymore?
And the egg and the sperm have their own genetic code on them, by not using them to create another life you are infact killing the potential of the child it could become, so yes they are equal to abortion.
I guess you are also against terminating life support since you are killing life there also, and if you say it's okey when a person is braindead when it must be okey to terminate a fetus when it dont have a brain.
#93 - powerfapping (01/24/2014) [-]
Can you at least specify how young this hypothetical teenager is? Because it seems to my like you're describing 14 and 15 year-olds. And what do you mean highly religious communities?

By the way, the well-being of the mother is always top priority, even for pro-life activists. It's called the Double-Effect Theory. If the doctor must perform a procedure to save the mother's life - that may be detrimental to the child - he is not morally at fault. That's just a bad situation in which there really is no happy ending. And nobody can really prevent that.

Lets discuss the hair and skin problem. It's very simple. A strand of your hair, and a flake of your skin, will never produce a human child. Sperm and egg, when together, are designed to produce a child. And no, you're wrong again. Sperm and egg do not have their own complete genetic codes, only half a code. That's why it's impossible for them to produce offspring until they meet. Yes, my sperm has the potential to fertilize an egg, but so what? They have just as much potential not to. Potential does not matter. What matters is definite. An egg fertilized by sperm is definitely a human. That human will - barring miscarriage of natural causes - definitely be born.
User avatar #98 - stifflimb (01/24/2014) [-]
I dont even have a specifik age in mind since that the age to have sex differs from person to person. There are towns/societys that are hight religious were sex aint really a thing that are allowed unless wed, or everyone knows everyone, go by condoms from the store where the manager talks with any of your parents daily when parents are extreme strict about sex issues, not likely you would.

So in that situation it's okey to say fuck the fetus lets go for the mother, what makes the mothers life more valuable than the fetus if it's already a human person?
And if it's a human person when conceived why dont it get social security number and such the moment it's been confirmed to exist, it waits until it's born for the goverment to formally recognize it to be a human person.

No it's not, a fertilized egg is definite to have the potential to become a human if allowed to grow.
If I cut off my hand but it would get wired up to get blood and nutrients (not possible in today I know lets say if) it would create skin and heal itself, therefor it would grow and be considered a human being since it's alive and growing, cause if it that lump of flesh, bone, organ and complicated blood system is not considered a person then a lump of stemcells is not either.
#210 - powerfapping (01/26/2014) [-]
Your first argument is completely moronic. You're telling me that if a girl is too scared to go by contraceptives, or a guy is too self-conscious to buy condoms, they should fuck anyway and just get an abortion? Yea, that's way safer right? Wrong. And I said it before, so I'll say it again. Try real hard to understand this okay? If you live in a "highly religious society(?)" and you're afraid of what a bunch of bible-thumpers think about your sexual activity, YOU ARE NOT MATURE ENOUGH FOR SEX. And if you think buying contraceptives would cause a lot of commotion in this hypothetical society, what the hell do you think having an abortion would cause people to say?

Yes, in that situation where the mother is dying, it's up to the doctors to keep her alive. It's the same way when the fetus is dying, the doctors have to keep it alive. This isn't a particularly hard concept. If the mother is in danger, the doctor must perform whatever procedure is necessary to keep her alive, just like any other patient, pregnant or otherwise. If that procedure harms or kills the child, it's unfortunate. As long as the intent is to save a life, the doctor is not morally at fault. It's a terrible situation, but it happens. And a child is not given all its legal information at conception because it usually takes a bit of time for women to realize they are pregnant. When do most women notice? After a missed period. So how do you propose we determine the exact moment of conception? We give dates and time of birth because it's easier for us to measure and observe. That however, is completely arbitrary. We could just as well, instead of birthdays, make a day of when the child's heart started beating. The reason we don't is because it's easier to observe birth.

I really don't see how you can be this stupid. Potential for life, is not the same as actual life. That mass of stem cells, is definitely life. It does not have the potential to be alive, it is alive.
User avatar #213 - stifflimb (01/26/2014) [-]
I'm not saying that it's smart to do it witthout contraceptives or they should, it still happens and people still gets pregnant even though they use contraceptives. And you do realize there are people who would kill their own children for getting knocked up, it's wrong yes but it do happen, that's one of the reasons why there exist free clinics where the adult dont even have to be there or know about it.

Not morally at fault, he's still murdering the fetus for the mothers life, therfore the fetus is not considered a human being. And what about rape victims, are you saying they need to be forced to give birth or is the fetus life not even worth the discomfort it brings the woman?!

And medecin have set an age where they think the fetus become a full human being with it's own life (think when it's 4-5 months old) and after that they refuse to do abortians, that is a good way for it to be, people have the option but need to act upon it.
And we celebrate birthdays on the day the child is born cause of how many children used to die during birth.
And you still use the argument that it's alive and therefor wrong, sperm can live for days depending on where it ends up, you are still killing that every time you wang it off, and it's okey cause it's a life form we do not really value, as are animals we use for food or plants, they are not human beings and therfore valued less.
#218 - powerfapping (01/27/2014) [-]
Please site me one instance of a person killing their child because she got pregnant. I've never heard of a single case of that happening. And allowing teenage girls to go, without an adult, and have a dangerous procedure done which may permanently damage her body is idiotic. It's irresponsible. I can't think of a single positive aspect of a young girl doing that. And no, that parent will definitely find out one way or another. If we're in your little "highly religious" society, someone is going to talk to someone else and word gets around.

No, he's not murdering anyone. He's saving the mother. Now, the process by which he saves her may harm the child, but that wasn't his intention. And yes, it is a human being. Also, yes, I think a woman who is the victim of rape should carry the child. If she cannot, or does not wish, to raise the child, she should give it up for adoption.

And no, medicine has not discerned when a child is "fully human" as you so eloquently put it. They have determined a date at which it is illegal to abort. That date is based on when nerve systems and heartbeats develop. After that point, it becomes a "late term abortion," the methods of which are disgusting and vile because the child can feel and sense everything happening to it. And I don't know where you found that reason for celebrating birthdays, but I can tell you it is completely false. Yea, it's completely okay for me to jerk it into a tissue and throw it away. You're right, it's a lesser life-form, of which I make a few billion in a lifetime. I guess you think it's wrong to shower and wash yourself too, because it's killing skin cells. Or perhaps cutting your hair is a crime against humanity because of all the cells you've destroyed. You see what I'm getting at? Those organisms are part of my body, and they cannot possibly form a new human. Sperm are cells which cannot form a human without an egg to fertilize. And even then, only one sperm out of thousands fertilizes the egg.
User avatar #219 - stifflimb (01/28/2014) [-]
What you have heard or not is not my issue, go look it up yourself, you got google use it. You mean suddenly the operation become responsible cause the parent is with her?! And no the parent will not necessarily know. The positive aspect of it is she wont be a teenage mom while she really do not want to and wont dispose of the child in another matter.

He is killing the fetus/embryo knowingly so the fetus/embryo is murdered, dont matter if it's his intention. And it's not a human being, it's a lump of cells with no brain or organ function.
You just said killing the fetus/embryo would be okey to save the mothers life but saying a rape victim must give birth to the child, many women have commited suicide cause of rape without being pregnent, forcing them to carry their child also would most likely skyrocket the suicide number or she might try doing an abortion with her own hands.

You go look it up yourself why people been celebrating the date the child is born for millenias. Yes at that point we considered the fetus to be a human being when it has developed that far.
And dont think it's wrong to jack off cause I dont see a life form of that degree to be so important. The skin cells that fall of in a shower is from the outer layer of the skin and they are already dead, hair is also made up off dead cells.
#224 - powerfapping (01/30/2014) [-]
If you're too lazy to cite an example of your own argument, I'm just going to assume you don't have one. And no, the operation doesn't become responsible with a parent there. It's not responsible at all really, that's one of the reasons abortions should not be allowed, that and the murder of a human child.

No, that's not murder, but at least you're trying to seem intelligent. I guess you find it better to just let the mother die and then the child dies anyway? Seeing as you can't save both, you may as well save one. And if you want to talk about the mental state of rape victims, maybe you should do some research on the mental health of women who have had abortions, especially after rape. It's appalling how many women become depressed and suicidal. Many have breakdowns. Why? Because they feel guilty. They killed a child, their own child at that. That's why this shouldn't be legal, so no woman will ever have to feel that.

I looked up your birthday thing. Turns out you are in fact wrong, just like I said. Birthdays are just another ritual that we as humans have assigned to certain events in our lives. And no, that child is definitely human from conception. If you were to take a cell from a human embryo, you could analyze its DNA and find it to be human. You can't dispute that. A Homo Sapien (That's our species in case you didn't know) is a Homo Sapien, regardless of the state of development. That "lump of cells" can't be anything but human.
User avatar #225 - stifflimb (01/30/2014) [-]
No I do not since I'm for abortions! Have you not gotten that yet?!
And if abortions is murder so is the procedure to kill the fetus/embryo to save the life of the mother.
Yes a lot of women get depressed after having an abortion, the reasons as to why is harder to say, could be they feel quilty, could be people around them pressure them and makes them depressed, but how many women gets pregnent and gives birth to a child without getting depressed, almost none, depression is a common thing in childbirth.
So if we gonna avoid having women get depressed we should also outlaw childbirth, bulletproof plan.

And why dont we celebrate the moment they are concieved, cause to many died before being born, it was easier to use birth date as the ground of celebrations.
You only stated why we celebrated birth.

Yeah also my hair, skin and blood also have human DNA, does not mean I go around collecting it, it's mostly dead and dont have any thoughts of it's own.
Just like the lump of stemcells dont either.
#226 - powerfapping (02/02/2014) [-]
Your hair, skin, and blood are components of the human body. They come from that lump of stem cells. Of course your hair, skin, and blood cells don't have thoughts (though more than I can detect coming out of you), they're specialized cells already designated for a specific purpose. And at least use some form of common sense when you argue that the embryo has no thoughts or heartbeat. No shit. It's a human at the earliest stage of development. That doesn't make it less human. The fact of the matter is that it will definitely develop that human brain activity and heartbeat. It will definitely grow limbs and start to move. It will definitely develop a brain with the capacity for reason. If you'd like another example of this in nature, look at caterpillars and butterflies. A caterpillar is just an early stage of development. After it takes on a radical change, it's a butterfly. Metamorphosis doesn't change the species of that caterpillar any more than the development of a heartbeat changes that of the unborn child. It's human. It can't be anything else. Get over it.
User avatar #227 - stifflimb (02/02/2014) [-]
Yeah and the caterpillar is still just a caterpillar, just like a embryo is a embryo and not a human being.
And it will devlop, so what, it has not developed it, it got no feelings or anything, and how can you claim it's a human life if it's still less worth than the mothers life?!
And if you wanna do these comparisons from nature, how about eggs, are you eating eggs or are you eating chickens?
#228 - powerfapping (02/06/2014) [-]
You obviously missed the point. A caterpillar is still the same species after it becomes a butterfly. That embryo is still a human (homo sapien) even after passing through multiple stages of development. Development does not change species, therefore it doesn't matter at what stage of development a human is, it's still a human. Also, feelings don't define humanity. Furthermore, not once did I state the value of a child's life is greater than the mothers. We had a whole discussion on that, I recommend you look back over it. Finally, i don't know if you know this, but the eggs you buy in a grocery store aren't fertilized, meaning they aren't living things. There is no embryo growing inside them. The life cycle hasn't even started, they are inanimate objects.
User avatar #229 - stifflimb (02/06/2014) [-]
Actually the caterpillar goes through metamorphis and changes species.
The embryo is still not a human being, it's a lump of cells that one day can form into a human being, but at that points it's just a collection of human cells.
You said yourself that the mothers life takes priority. So does that means the mothers life is more important than a child or more important than a lump of cells that can turn into a human some day.
So what does define humanity?!
A single drop of my blood contains my whole dna code but that drop of blood does not define as humanity, it's our brainactivity that does that, thats why when mentally ill people who does terrible thing are being called inhuman by normal people.
And I'm talking about even before stores and of other people who eat eggs, even though they are fertilized they cracked open an egg, not a chicken.
User avatar #94 - miscarriage (01/24/2014) [-]
You really like getting into arguments about abortion, huh?

I remember i got a legit mention from you one other time
#209 - powerfapping (01/26/2014) [-]
I'm sorry, this is really the one social issue I get particularly concerned with.
User avatar #211 - miscarriage (01/26/2014) [-]
It's cool
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