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#705 - I've been to countless bible studies, and I actually go to a C…  [+] (1 new reply) 05/23/2012 on Atheist logic 0
User avatar #707 - Reverend (05/23/2012) [-]
Im pretty sure i can blame it on christianity when there is a verse...(leviticus 22? it escapes me, i digress) That talks about killing homosexuals and is a staple point in the arguing against gay marriage.

If youre basing your religions off of the teachings of jesus what is the point of the old testament? You might as well say fuck the 10 commandments.

Also God did not give the people free will. As a matter of fact, he put free will in the tree of knowledge which he restricted anyone from eating. So, i will thank satan for critical thinking.

#696 - Because the Law of Christ was the final law, that is, to love …  [+] (3 new replies) 05/22/2012 on Atheist logic 0
User avatar #698 - Reverend (05/22/2012) [-]
Ive been to christian schools my entire life.
>hateful - Do you not know about the issues with gay marriage?
>ignorant - "Questioning god? He made the brain cells you think with" Status on Fb from a Christian friend
>Hypocritical - Love & Compassion ---> Spanish inquisition.

"There is no need for the other laws but im not ignoring them" That right there is hypocrisy.
User avatar #705 - potatopotato (05/23/2012) [-]
I've been to countless bible studies, and I actually go to a Christian university that requires theology courses.

Hateful....you can't BLAME the issue that proclaimed Christians have with homosexuals on Christianity itself. You can blame that on people's ignorance, not on Christianity. When you don't follow the true teachings of Christ you treat someone with hate. I don't recall Jesus condemning anyone to Hell, so why does anyone think they can do what our Christ never did? Ignorance of how Christians try to interpret scripture. Don't categorize all Christians to be the same.

Ignorant. Simply put, God made us the way he did so we could choose him or not choose him. How fun would it be to live in a society that everyone HAS to worship God. God gave us the option to chose him.

And I'm not exactly sure where you pulled that last 'quote' from....or where you're getting your definition of hypocrisy from. I'm not ignoring the laws, but that definitely does not mean that I'm abiding by them. If I said there was no need for the other laws, but I'm following them, that would be hypocrisy. That is not what I said.

I'm only responsible for what I say, not what you understand.
User avatar #707 - Reverend (05/23/2012) [-]
Im pretty sure i can blame it on christianity when there is a verse...(leviticus 22? it escapes me, i digress) That talks about killing homosexuals and is a staple point in the arguing against gay marriage.

If youre basing your religions off of the teachings of jesus what is the point of the old testament? You might as well say fuck the 10 commandments.

Also God did not give the people free will. As a matter of fact, he put free will in the tree of knowledge which he restricted anyone from eating. So, i will thank satan for critical thinking.

#359 - And I'm not personally trying to twist the words to fit my per…  [+] (1 new reply) 05/21/2012 on Atheist logic 0
User avatar #684 - starkindustries (05/21/2012) [-]
I was raised for 22 years at 8 different churches with 3 different sects of Christianity. This is how they were taught in all of them.
#355 - Nah man. I'm here to simply discuss, not argue. I just like de…  [+] (1 new reply) 05/21/2012 on Atheist logic -1
User avatar #683 - starkindustries (05/21/2012) [-]
He says that the law still applies though. He has fulfilled it and your punishment will be less severe (if you want to call it that. Under new testament you should gouge out your eye and burn in hell forever for looking at someone with lust, Old testament it was just punishment by death.) It does not mean do not follow the law.
#318 - We're not under the Old Testament law any more. Christians are…  [+] (23 new replies) 05/21/2012 on Atheist logic 0
User avatar #322 - starkindustries (05/21/2012) [-]
I somehow doubt you'll change your mind. I think in fact you'll somehow twist the verses meaning to suit you rather than see them for what they actually say but hey, here goes nothing.

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)
#379 - theexo (05/21/2012) [-]
i love how you are combatting him with bible versesd. didn't you just say "MFW you think that using ancient text written by many different people that has been modified 1000's of times over 1000's of years with no scientific support whatsoever is a credible and valid source of evidence in any reasonable argument" stop contridicting yourself. i'll interpret my religion however i damn well please and you can deal with it.
User avatar #685 - starkindustries (05/21/2012) [-]
I don't think the bible is useful as a source of evidence for the existence of God. However, when arguing ethics, yes, you sort of have to use the bible to argue the ethics of christianity. I absolutely don't have to deal with it when it would infringe upon my rights. However if you keep your bullshit to yourself then we'll be fine.
User avatar #690 - theexo (05/21/2012) [-]
well i'll keep my "bullshit" to myself and you will keep your opinions to yourself. and heres a hint, the fastest way for people on the internet to not shit storm you is to present your opinions without words like "bullshit" and "dumbasses" i don't care how right you think you are it gives you no right or reason to argue like a middle schooler.
User avatar #692 - starkindustries (05/21/2012) [-]
I'm sorry but death and eternal torture for petty crimes is bullshit. No matter who you are.
User avatar #697 - theexo (05/22/2012) [-]
and Atheist wonder why people don't listen to them.
User avatar #702 - starkindustries (05/22/2012) [-]
Yes, why listen to reason and logic when you can condemn people who disagree with you for eternity. Why settle things like adults when you can justify immature behavior with fairy tales.
User avatar #703 - theexo (05/22/2012) [-]
look im not condemning you cause i don't give a shit about what happens to you. however you've done nothing but mock me and frankly im not going to put up with it. don't reply unless you're willing to debate without trying to belittle me
User avatar #708 - starkindustries (05/24/2012) [-]
You personally may not care what happens to me but the doctrine you let control your life does. You can't be a christian and not follow any of the bible.
User avatar #709 - theexo (05/25/2012) [-]
Coming from the expert of Christianity. an atheist. i don't try to convert people to my faith unless they have prior intrest. i am not the guy who forces my religion down other peoples throats.
User avatar #710 - starkindustries (05/26/2012) [-]
I was raised as a Christian for 22 years. I know more about the bible than 90% of the Christians I know. That's WHY I am no longer religious. You may not, as I said, but the nature of Christianity as a global religion is spreading through violence.
User avatar #711 - theexo (05/26/2012) [-]
why do you believe it is spreading through violence? (i actually would like to know no sarcasm and current events only please) and i read the entire thing too (step-dad is a preacher). I'm still religious i guess our interpretations varied.
User avatar #712 - starkindustries (05/26/2012) [-]
It's not a matter of individual interpretation to me. Look at the 2000 year war. There will NEVER be peace in the middle east as long as religion is around.

It's a matter of violence and hatred, intolerance, with religious "sanction".
User avatar #713 - theexo (05/26/2012) [-]
that has nothing to do with religion but the people who worship it. relegion doesn't start wars, idiots do
User avatar #721 - starkindustries (05/27/2012) [-]
I don't have a problem with the existence of a higher power. My problem lies with man's interpretations of holy scripture. Organized religion.
User avatar #717 - starkindustries (05/26/2012) [-]
It won't let me reply to your last comment anymore so I'll do it here.

1. Religion has caused more violence and death than any other socioeconomic factor combined. So yes, war would still exist, but a fraction of it.

2. World peace is possible. Go watch the 3 latest youtube videos I posted with an open mind. See how small we are and how infinitely complex we are.
User avatar #720 - theexo (05/27/2012) [-]
these videos are amazing. but it just shows that neither side really has any fucking idea what is going on. we CAN live together and these wars can be blamed on lack of information as well as religion. the fact is that wars are based on two or more people or two or more different people with two different ideas. and as we all gain information and become smarter we will realize that what we're doing this flame war is pointless. the fact is you cannot prove my God doesn't exhist the same way i cannot prove he does. That's what it means to have faith, and not everyone does. neither of us can prove our claim until we're dead and by then we have wasted so much time arguing that our lives had no real purpose. being Christian does not mean we are opposed to science, we all have questions and we all seek answers and that is our drive to understand the world around us. ideas become thoughts, thoughts become words, words become actions and if we continue this flamewar it could very well lead to actions if it hasn't already.
User avatar #714 - starkindustries (05/26/2012) [-]
If religion weren't around they wouldn't have been misled to such hatred.

Go look up violence in the bible and the qu'ran. It's no wonder "idiots" interpret it "wrongly".
User avatar #715 - theexo (05/26/2012) [-]
there has been many wars without religion as the main reason and there will be many more. there is not going to be magical peace by getting rid of the Christians there will never be peace on earth. ever.
User avatar #359 - potatopotato (05/21/2012) [-]
And I'm not personally trying to twist the words to fit my personal beliefs, I'm just telling you how they are taught in all Christianity.
User avatar #684 - starkindustries (05/21/2012) [-]
I was raised for 22 years at 8 different churches with 3 different sects of Christianity. This is how they were taught in all of them.
User avatar #355 - potatopotato (05/21/2012) [-]
Nah man. I'm here to simply discuss, not argue. I just like defending my faith :).

Okay so obviously there is a major theme in all of these verses, which you believe is that Christians must uphold the law of the Old Testament. So instead of going verse by verse I'll try answering them all together, saving both of us time. The Old Testament was written way before the coming of Christ. The Old Testament was written to people that weren't behaving like God was telling them to, so he gave them the Old Testament Laws. Basically you had to follow all of these laws perfectly to be able to go to heaven...well...no one could do this, except Jesus. Jesus followed the law and fulfilled it, making it so now Christians don't have to suffer in hell for just being the sinners we are. Jesus accomplished (from the first verse you posted) and fulfilled (from the 3rd one you posted) the law.

For the last two verses. So all of the bible is pretty much from God, interpreted by man. It would be ignorant for a Christian to ignore what GOD was telling us. It all plays a role somewhere in the the overall story of Christianity.

I hope this helps.
User avatar #683 - starkindustries (05/21/2012) [-]
He says that the law still applies though. He has fulfilled it and your punishment will be less severe (if you want to call it that. Under new testament you should gouge out your eye and burn in hell forever for looking at someone with lust, Old testament it was just punishment by death.) It does not mean do not follow the law.
#314 - Those laws were given to the slaves in Egypt, not to the peopl…  [+] (5 new replies) 05/21/2012 on Atheist logic 0
User avatar #694 - Reverend (05/21/2012) [-]
There isnt any laws today because your god, assuming he is even real, hasnt been around for almost 2000 years. This was given after the slaves left, this should be common sense to you. YOU CANT JUST TAKE HALF OF YOUR RELIGION AND SINCE IT MAKES YOU LOOK BAD SAY "OH JUST IGNORE THAT PART ITS SILLY" ITS HALF OF THE FUCKING BIBLE. Christianity breeds ignorance, hypocrisy, and hatred, has killed millions, and gives false hope. Its truly disgusting.
User avatar #696 - potatopotato (05/22/2012) [-]
Because the Law of Christ was the final law, that is, to love God and to love your neighbor. There was no need for other laws after that because salvation is now available for us. And by all means, I am not ignoring 'half of my religion'. If this was the case then the Old Testament would not exist any more. The Old Testament is full of prophecy and parallels to Christ that is necessary for the bible and for the foundation of Christianity. And making baseless claims about Christianity being ignorant, hypocritical, or hateful is in itself ignorant, hypocritical, and hateful. Without true understanding of Christianity I can see how one could say such things...
User avatar #698 - Reverend (05/22/2012) [-]
Ive been to christian schools my entire life.
>hateful - Do you not know about the issues with gay marriage?
>ignorant - "Questioning god? He made the brain cells you think with" Status on Fb from a Christian friend
>Hypocritical - Love & Compassion ---> Spanish inquisition.

"There is no need for the other laws but im not ignoring them" That right there is hypocrisy.
User avatar #705 - potatopotato (05/23/2012) [-]
I've been to countless bible studies, and I actually go to a Christian university that requires theology courses.

Hateful....you can't BLAME the issue that proclaimed Christians have with homosexuals on Christianity itself. You can blame that on people's ignorance, not on Christianity. When you don't follow the true teachings of Christ you treat someone with hate. I don't recall Jesus condemning anyone to Hell, so why does anyone think they can do what our Christ never did? Ignorance of how Christians try to interpret scripture. Don't categorize all Christians to be the same.

Ignorant. Simply put, God made us the way he did so we could choose him or not choose him. How fun would it be to live in a society that everyone HAS to worship God. God gave us the option to chose him.

And I'm not exactly sure where you pulled that last 'quote' from....or where you're getting your definition of hypocrisy from. I'm not ignoring the laws, but that definitely does not mean that I'm abiding by them. If I said there was no need for the other laws, but I'm following them, that would be hypocrisy. That is not what I said.

I'm only responsible for what I say, not what you understand.
User avatar #707 - Reverend (05/23/2012) [-]
Im pretty sure i can blame it on christianity when there is a verse...(leviticus 22? it escapes me, i digress) That talks about killing homosexuals and is a staple point in the arguing against gay marriage.

If youre basing your religions off of the teachings of jesus what is the point of the old testament? You might as well say fuck the 10 commandments.

Also God did not give the people free will. As a matter of fact, he put free will in the tree of knowledge which he restricted anyone from eating. So, i will thank satan for critical thinking.

#958 - Can I be blue? 05/12/2012 on WTF IS THIS MADNESS 0
#56 - The Avengers made 207.4 million in its opening weekend and has…  [+] (7 new replies) 05/10/2012 on Avengers vs. Batman +5
User avatar #58 - jabathehut (05/10/2012) [-]
True but TDKR will top that imo
User avatar #63 - Silver Quantum (05/10/2012) [-]
harry potter and the deathly hallows part 2 held the record for opening night with 169 million dollars since last year until now (more than dark night). avengers topped harry potter by 40 million dollars, which is a ridiculously big difference. I seriously doubt batman or any other movie is gonna top that any time soon.
User avatar #67 - jabathehut (05/10/2012) [-]
Yeah but alot of people are eager to see the newest one. If Christopher Nolan makes it just as good maybe better than TDK it will easily top the avengers. Imo the Captain America and Thor movies weren't as good as they could have been but the way The Avengers tied it together to kind of redeemed them
User avatar #68 - Silver Quantum (05/10/2012) [-]
for tdkr to top avengers, it has to gross 50 million dollars more than dk. that means it needs 33% more. it is highly improbable that's gonna happen
User avatar #69 - jabathehut (05/10/2012) [-]
Not impossible though. Batman is one of the most popular hero in the world, almost as popular as spiderman but since the batman movies are always worth what they cost i think alot of people would seem rather than wait 5 months to pirate
User avatar #71 - Silver Quantum (05/10/2012) [-]
the thing about the batman series is that it is targeted for a specific audience because it is not easy to understand if you're not a fan and if you don't have the adequate mindset. 90% of the people who are going to see it are the same ones who saw dk, which are the fans who know exactly what they are going to watch. I seriously doubt hype is enough to gross the movie 1/3 more than the last time. now the avengers is a completely different story. it is a lot more family friendly, it's target audience is a lot wider and is more fun (since it's a lot more family friendly than batman), which the majority of the people want. they want to have fun and laugh more than they want to think about the storyline. plus the avengers characters have a lot more fans, and it's basically a movie everyone expected/anticipated for decades, so it's no surprise it did so well. let's not also forget that heath ledger is not in it (he was half the reason people went to see dk in the first place). so like I said, realistically speaking, the chances for tdkr to top avengers are extremely slim.
User avatar #72 - jabathehut (05/10/2012) [-]
You maybe right but only time will tell good sir
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