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#1101 - Adolf Hitler was a christian, he even went as far as to have h…  [+] (21 replies) 11/08/2011 on Ethics +3
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#1110 - mavsman (11/08/2011) [-]
See, he THOUGHT he was a christian. But he sought to kill off catholics along with jews. He is like a Mormon, he thought he was a Christian, but no one else considers him one.
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#1124 - Crax (11/08/2011) [-]
That's the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. It holds no water. Your argument is invalid.
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#1174 - mavsman (11/08/2011) [-]
Looks like we were both wrong, he neither claimed he was a Christian according to this article of quotes from the book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young http://www.answers.org/apologetics/hitquote.html seeing as a majority of FJ rejects Christianity too, this will get thumbed down, just trying to get the truth out there
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#1237 - Crax (11/08/2011) [-]
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
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#1239 - mavsman (11/08/2011) [-]
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."- Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944
That was a lie, he was just creating propaganda to do whatever the fuck he wanted later as a dictator, you are wrong
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#1241 - Crax (11/08/2011) [-]
I refer you to this page. It deals with that common misconception as well.
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#1242 - mavsman (11/08/2011) [-]
I copied and pasted that and it could not find it
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#1256 - Crax (11/09/2011) [-]
Didja remove the word dot and replace it with a .?
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#1260 - mavsman (11/09/2011) [-]
ok but why not just put the "."? anyway, the quotes look to be from before his death and before he started all that Jew murdering business. He did try to use The Bible to support his hate of Jews, but he conveniently left out talking about Romans 11:1-24 which preaches pro-semitism (Heres the link) http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%2011:1-24&version=NIV; If hitler was really a Christian, he would have left no stone un-turned. This is a very simple rhetorical strategy known as omission.
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#1261 - Crax (11/09/2011) [-]
You mean the way Christians conveniently leave out Exodus 21:7-11, which gives advice on selling your daughter as a sex slave. Did God just forget about slavery? You leave out verses that don't support your point of view, that doesn't mean he wasn't a Christian. He had prejudices but the point is that he used his religion to justify them.
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#1262 - mavsman (11/09/2011) [-]
You don't understand that he was lying when he said he was a christian. as for your Exodus verses, that's about arranged slave marriage for families that severely needed a dowry. Your'e obviously a religion troll and there is no convincing you of anything. You can keep living in your ignorance that hitler was a Christian, it's fine with me. My evidence is concrete, yours is sand. good day.
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#1265 - Crax (11/09/2011) [-]
You don't understand that he was human and that does not exclude him from being Christian. And selling your daughter into slavery is a suitable dowry? God's sure got some fucked-up morals. You can keep living in your ignorance that Hitler's Secret Conversations has not been frequently scrutinized and found to be most probably untrue, it's fine with me. My evidence is logical, reasonable, and founded on historical facts, yours is "Hurr-durr Hitler can't be Christian cuz Christians are good". Cheerio.
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#1266 - mavsman (11/10/2011) [-]
That's not what that verse is about but you're too fucking stupid to understand the historical context, and honestly, do you really think 2 billion people in the world take that verse word for word today? If I were you, I'd HOPE there was a God because that's pretty fucked and that's a lot of people. It's people like you that can't stand a higher authority and don't want to believe the truth because you want to feel like a smarter person by finding faulty evidence that you still cling to when you have been proven wrong. As for Hitler being a Christian, does it make sense that he ordered 3 million Christians to be killed for what they believe? How can someone possibly be something, and then kill 3 million other people for being the same thing as him? What sane person does that? I could run outside my house and scream "I HAVE XBOX LIVE BUT FUCK ALL THE OTHER XBOX LIVE USERS SO I'M GOING TO HUNT DOWN AND KILL EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE OF THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE XBOX LIVE!" doesn't make sense right? Believe what you want, it's not my ever lasting soul on the line here, its yours. I'll be chilling with God in heaven and you can have fun in hell getting small paper cuts on your eyeballs and having lemon juice poured on them. Enjoy!
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#1267 - Crax (11/10/2011) [-]
It doesn't matter it's historical context, it matters that the God apparently forgot that slavery was a bad thing. And I assume so seeing as enough of them take the verse about stoning gays seriously enough to keep it from being legal in most states.

Also, so you're saying that Jews and Christians are the same? I'm sure the lovely good Christian people who hate Muslims and Mormons would be surprised to hear that. Prejudice exists because you see people outside your group and don't like them, so you usually come up with reasons to be prejudiced against them. His happened to be Christianity.

And though I contest you calling the mental faculties arranging themselves into what is my personality a "soul", I will say that assuming that Hell and Heaven were real, I would most certainly prefer Hell as God seems like an immoral egomaniac and at least Satan had the balls to stand up to him. Being tortured in Hell seems much preferable to the monotony of Heaven.

And lastly, assuming I went to your fictional Hell, I could at the very least be comforted by knowing that people such as Einstein, George Carlin, and Frank Zappa are in the cells next to mine.
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#1269 - mavsman (11/10/2011) [-]
There are only so many words that can be translated from Hebrew to English and Greek to English, sometimes they use the same words for different stuff or similar words, again, being way too literal. And that is not true that all Christians hate Muslims and Jews, where did you hear that crock of shit? Have you not heard of Mother Teresa and missionaries that travel the world in hopes to bring them Christianity? and if they don't accept it, then the missionaries tried their best and they move on to the next place. There are countless Christian charities that send missionaries out just to help out AIDS ridden tribes in Africa and those people want nothing to do with Christianity, these missionaries are there just to help them out. Have you not heard of Bono and all the great charity works he does for the AIDS epidemic? Yeah he is definitely a Christian and just hates everyone doesn't he? And I'm not saying Jews and Christians are the same, two different faiths, but Hitler killed them all the same because they thought differently from him. You don't understand that God's love for you is so great that when you're with him and heaven, you don't need anything else, you no longer have Earthly desires. As for hell, you are completely cut off from that love and you still have those Earthly desires, but you will never satisfy those wants in hell and you will be tortured for eternity with unending pain and suffering.
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#1271 - Crax (11/10/2011) [-]
... Except the slavery thing actually happened. That wasn't a goddamn translation error. And you're just gonna glaze over the whole "currently oppressing the gays" thing? That's cool.

Next, I never said that all Christians hate them, I said that the one's who do hate them because they're NOT Christians would be surprised to hear that they're similar to Christians.

Next, I don't think the Indians who didn't really want your religion were very happy when it was forced upon them. Nor were the Indians. Or the Mayans. Or the Africans. And Christians didn't exactly leave them alone about it. Wasn't that what the whole "Crusades" thing was about?

Next, specific missionaries may help, but as a whole God has a negative impact on their life. God certainly seems to hate the Africans. Starve them, infect them with AIDS, and then have the Pope tell them that condoms actually help TRANSMIT it and that having as many children as possible is good? God seems to be more than a little racist here.

Lastly, people in communist dictatorships are pretty happy about being there, it's not hard to love your God when all you ever hear are good things about him. And I like my Earthly desires, they make me human and let me know I'm alive. Why would I ever want God to rid me of them? So that I can praise him all damn day? At least in Hell I would be a human standing up against an unjust ruler. Actually, speaking of Hitler, didn't he tend to put people who disagreed with him into torturous places too? Huh. That's an odd coincidence, don't you think?

Lastly, to quote Epicurus,
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"
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#1272 - mavsman (11/10/2011) [-]
Ok, so God is good, evil exists, and God is all powerful. Here is how this is true. God makes evil happen? God lets good and evil exist? so God doesn't exist if this is true right? wrong. Essentially, evil is a lack of love. Think about it, Murder happens because there is a lack of love between one another, rape happens because there is a lack of love, theft happens because the perpetrator has a lack of love from the person he stole from, torture happens because there is a lack of love and respect for the person being tortured, this list goes on. To address the gay oppression stuff, some people are afraid of it and want to take that verse extra seriously and forget everything else the Bible stands for and all the stuff about loving your neighbor and your enemies and your friends all the same. And you are saying that Africans are the only ones stricken with poverty and disease? Now THAT'S racist. There are people of all genders, races and creeds that are stricken with disease and poverty all over the world. I am not a Catholic myself and I support the use of condoms, but I do go to a Catholic school and understand why The Pope condemns them. Catholics are anti-contraception all together because they believe that a child is a gift from God and that it should not be prevented by earthly means. Other Christian groups do encourage the use of condoms but the people in Africa refuse to use them because they do not understand how illness works and they do not want to use them. As for the crusades, the Catholic church still apologizes greatly for those corrupt Popes that called for them. As for the Native Americans, that was wrong too and people do not use the same methods for attempting to convert non-believers these days. As for your God-Hitler comparison is illogical. God, created man out of nothing, without him, we would not be here, therefore, we owe him everything. God casts people into hell because they do not love him and grateful that he created them.
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#1274 - mavsman (11/10/2011) [-]
Hitler, was elected by the German people, and would not be there without them, so he owes them everything. They trusted him to not throw them into concentration camps. As for not having earthly wants anymore, you are not alive anymore so what use are earthly wants anymore? You are with God in paradise, if God is all things good, than what other good things do you need when you have him? Clearly, I am not going to convert you today, this week or maybe never. Faith gives people hope. I have hope that there is something after this world, because life is way too short. You can keep bashing my faith all you want, I've said all that I've needed to stay and that's that. Sincerely (I really do mean it, even though this argument has gotten pretty nasty) I am praying for you and all others who do not know God. Goodbye, and God bless.
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#1276 - Crax (11/11/2011) [-]
Faith is the denial of observation. It is refusing to see so that you can pretend nothing's wrong. That's why it gives people hope. It's a blindfold.

The human experience may be short, but that's no reason to make up myths and monsters to make yourself feel better. Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? Isn't this beautiful, imperfect, constantly changing world enough? I don't need a wool blanket over my eyes. There is more than enough evidence to refute the existence of God. All you have is a 2000 year old fairy tale that has been abused and misused. God is not great.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have an essay to write and I'd rather not fail it. Goodbye.

P.S. Tell God I want a black '69 Dodge Charger. That car is badass.

P.P.S. Oh, and world peace and rationality. Should probably ask for that first.
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#1275 - Crax (11/11/2011) [-]
But if God is omnipotent, then he can clearly stop it, and THAT is the problem. He is clearly just ignoring the problem. If he controls everything, then he is willingly allowing people to be hurt and diseased and killed. That's sick.

I would like to point out that the Bible DOES specifically tell you to kill gays. Why can't you accept that the Bible was simply a text of rules written by prejudiced desert-people to explain their world and place themselves above others? It's 2000 years old. You know the commandment "No other gods before me"? That's because at the time, many early Christians believed in Jehova as well as many other gods. The Bible just says he needs to come first.

And I'm not saying that Africans are the only ones in a bad way right now, it does happen all over the world and in fact that further adds to my argument. However, you must admit that the Africans do have it worse than a lot of other people. And really? They apologize profusely? I'm pretty sure they've never apologized, especially seeing as they JUST apologized to Galileo a couple years ago. And an apology doesn't exactly make up for it either. Lastly, the only reason Christians aren't using the same methods as they did for Native Americans today is because they know they can't get away with it.

Next, Hitler raised Germany up from poverty, gave them hope and pride again, and fixed many of the problems plaguing Germany. Of course they'd elect him. He made them Germans again, so does one favor really mean that you owe someone forever? And they can do whatever they want to you? Tell that to kids who are abused daily by their parents. Ask them how they feel about THEIR creators.

Lastly, you don't need faith to be a happy, moral individual. You can gain hope by advancing the human race and enriching people's lives. You don't need some dickish imaginary God to be happy. I believe in human goodness and rationality.