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#70 - White supremacy comes in when racial profiling becomes a wides…  [+] (1 new reply) 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby -2
User avatar #76 - thegameujustlost (12/27/2014) [-]
Why not? If im not wrong the employer has to prove his inocence when faced with a discrimination lawsuit. What else can you wish for? This is an actual quesiton.

Another faggot crying about racial profiling, you sound like the potheads and in my country that cry about uh cops are bastards because they stop and search me just because how I look and dress. Yet every single one of them smokes or deals weed and obviously everytime a police officer searchs them they found something.

Flash news buddy they use racial profiling because it fucking works. If 90% of people who look like a gangsta does gangsta shit maybe you can use this in your favor huh?

And yeah I repeat im not from USA but I doubt american police officers stop and search a suited up black guy.

#68 - But that's not what they said their intent was, though. They … 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby -2
#65 - First off, depends where in America you live. Don't say stand… 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby -2
#61 - Unless you're a cop, or a soldier, or you're shooting someone … 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby -2
#59 - Holy **** , dude. They said there would be lethal… 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby -3
#58 - Seriously? I said very specifically at the start of this thre… 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby +1
#56 - If they're masquerading as peaceful protestors, then they are … 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby -5
#54 - Actually, the very first post, the post that started this enti…  [+] (2 new replies) 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby +3
#55 - notafunnyguy (12/27/2014) [-]
dude, you suck at trolling. go back to tumblr. you're an amature. :^)
#58 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Seriously? I said very specifically at the start of this thread that I wasn't bringing up Mike Brown, I think you need to learn to read
#51 - Since when is threatening lethal force against non-violence no… 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby -3
#50 - By the way, I'm as white as you are. Nice try, though 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby +3
#49 - Ok, that was just downright ******* hilarious. N…  [+] (1 new reply) 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby -2
User avatar #81 - thegameujustlost (12/27/2014) [-]
Can you give source on this? The actual testimonies word by word. Sorry to bother you but i dont want to surf in the endless amount of shitstorm to look for it.
#47 - Right, except the threats came directly from the leadership of… 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby -3
#45 - Seriously? I'm the only one basing my argument on the actual …  [+] (5 new replies) 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby 0
#46 - swagmonstah (12/27/2014) [-]
No, you're basing your bull shit on pieces of evidence.
It's not your fault though, you're doing it because your black. It's not your fault. You're not smart enough to form thoughts.
#77 - anonymous (12/27/2014) [-]
red thumbs means stop
#50 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
By the way, I'm as white as you are. Nice try, though
#49 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Ok, that was just downright fucking hilarious. No, seriously, I'm rolling, this time. My comment was written using testimony from Darren Wilson and Dorian Johnson, the only two living people that can be verified to have been on the scene. In my comment, I pointed out the logical fallacy of claiming someone was reaching for a gun that didn't exist. I stand by the cops if the officer's life is actually in danger. But when there's no discernible threat from the person standing 100 feet away, when said person doesn't even have a gun, how could you possibly think they're about to shoot you?
User avatar #81 - thegameujustlost (12/27/2014) [-]
Can you give source on this? The actual testimonies word by word. Sorry to bother you but i dont want to surf in the endless amount of shitstorm to look for it.
#42 - Hahahaha, are you ******* kidding me? The KKK co… 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby -3
#41 - Right, except the police department has already said Wilson ha…  [+] (7 new replies) 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby 0
#44 - swagmonstah (12/27/2014) [-]
It's impossible for me to read more than a sentence typed by a person as uneducated as you.
#45 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Seriously? I'm the only one basing my argument on the actual testimonies of the only two living people involved in the shooting. I don't see you posting anything useful
#46 - swagmonstah (12/27/2014) [-]
No, you're basing your bull shit on pieces of evidence.
It's not your fault though, you're doing it because your black. It's not your fault. You're not smart enough to form thoughts.
#77 - anonymous (12/27/2014) [-]
red thumbs means stop
#50 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
By the way, I'm as white as you are. Nice try, though
#49 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Ok, that was just downright fucking hilarious. No, seriously, I'm rolling, this time. My comment was written using testimony from Darren Wilson and Dorian Johnson, the only two living people that can be verified to have been on the scene. In my comment, I pointed out the logical fallacy of claiming someone was reaching for a gun that didn't exist. I stand by the cops if the officer's life is actually in danger. But when there's no discernible threat from the person standing 100 feet away, when said person doesn't even have a gun, how could you possibly think they're about to shoot you?
User avatar #81 - thegameujustlost (12/27/2014) [-]
Can you give source on this? The actual testimonies word by word. Sorry to bother you but i dont want to surf in the endless amount of shitstorm to look for it.
#38 - The coroner ruled the death a homicide The coroner ruled t…  [+] (9 new replies) 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby +1
#39 - swagmonstah (12/27/2014) [-]
Brown wasn't killed over cigars you fucking idiot. He was stopped because he stole cigars, he was killed because he attacked an officer.
Black people aren't all as stupid as you are they?
#41 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Right, except the police department has already said Wilson had no fucking clue Brown was involved in the robbery. Now, you tried to say Brown was a criminal, he deserved what he got. You know what's incredible about how he died? He posed absolutely no threat whatsoever at the time the killing shots hit him. He was over a hundred feet away at the time. Now, that being said, let's take a look at the two testimonies, from Wilson, and Brown's friend. Both say Brown broke free from the cop car, and started running away. Perfectly reasonable, he just got fucking shot. Ok. Next, he stops, and turns to face Wilson. Again, understandable, you just got shot, you just heard the guy who shot you get out of his car as you were running away, what do you do now? Wilson's story says he reached into his waistband, as if to pull a gun on him, and he felt immediately threatened. Just for a second, seriously ask yourself, how the fuck does that remotely make sense? You just got shot. You know the cop has a loaded gun. You know he's trained to use it if his life is in danger. You also know you have no fucking gun on your person whatsoever. You just turned to face the cop leveling a gun at your chest, likely from behind the door of his cruiser. You're looking the fucking cop in the face. Why the fuck are you going to reach for a gun that doesn't exist, knowing full well that doing so is going to get a few extra rounds put directly into your chest? It takes sub-Forrest Gump levels of stupidity to even consider that, unless you just want to get shot. Ever take a second to actually think for yourself?
#44 - swagmonstah (12/27/2014) [-]
It's impossible for me to read more than a sentence typed by a person as uneducated as you.
#45 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Seriously? I'm the only one basing my argument on the actual testimonies of the only two living people involved in the shooting. I don't see you posting anything useful
#46 - swagmonstah (12/27/2014) [-]
No, you're basing your bull shit on pieces of evidence.
It's not your fault though, you're doing it because your black. It's not your fault. You're not smart enough to form thoughts.
#77 - anonymous (12/27/2014) [-]
red thumbs means stop
#50 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
By the way, I'm as white as you are. Nice try, though
#49 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Ok, that was just downright fucking hilarious. No, seriously, I'm rolling, this time. My comment was written using testimony from Darren Wilson and Dorian Johnson, the only two living people that can be verified to have been on the scene. In my comment, I pointed out the logical fallacy of claiming someone was reaching for a gun that didn't exist. I stand by the cops if the officer's life is actually in danger. But when there's no discernible threat from the person standing 100 feet away, when said person doesn't even have a gun, how could you possibly think they're about to shoot you?
User avatar #81 - thegameujustlost (12/27/2014) [-]
Can you give source on this? The actual testimonies word by word. Sorry to bother you but i dont want to surf in the endless amount of shitstorm to look for it.
#37 - People make threats like this every day and get away with it. …  [+] (26 new replies) 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby -3
User avatar #107 - ecomp (01/05/2015) [-]
There is no flaw in that. You aren't understanding my point.

If they had said "We are going to shoot people masquerading as peaceful protesters and everybody around them", that would be illegal, but it's not what they said. But anyways, way to take the coward's way out. I suppose waiting a week to reply was also an attempt at getting out of this conversation too, huh?
User avatar #105 - ecomp (01/05/2015) [-]
The KKK didn't say they were going to shoot peaceful protesters. They are going to shoot people(rioters) who were masquerading as peaceful.
#106 - phoenixactual (01/05/2015) [-]
And just like that, we're right back to the beginning, full circle, as it were. Though I'm pretty sure I pointed out the obvious flaw with their statement multiple times already, so obviously, you didn't get the point. Peace.
User avatar #103 - ecomp (01/05/2015) [-]
This was done a week ago.

Oh well, let's get back to it.

It does not matter if I defend a hate group. People are people, and that's it.
That's your only argument here. And it's just a feelsy argument, you're ignoring facts and laws, which is what actually matters.
#104 - phoenixactual (01/05/2015) [-]
Never once did I ever defend the rioters. The people I defended were the ones exercising their constitutionally guaranteed right to peaceful protest. Or do people not have an inalienable right to free and peaceful protest where you come from?
User avatar #101 - ecomp (12/28/2014) [-]
I don't give a fuck that I'm defending the KKK, you're defending Bloods and Crips, how does that make you any different? Rights are rights, and if you take them away from one person, why do they exist in the first place.
Bottom line is that they did nothing illegal, if you think they did, call the fucking cops and see how it turns out.
#102 - phoenixactual (01/05/2015) [-]
I'm not defending bloods and krips, I'm pointing out fairly obvious flaws in your posting. You're the only one defending a known hate group, here
User avatar #71 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
You can't give some people rights, but as soon as you don't like them, take away rights. Free Speech is Free Speech, no matter who says it. I don't care if you're Hitler, or if you're Ghandi, or if you're George from Accounting, there is no such thing as a thought crime.
Back on topic, the literal translation of that is that the KKK wants to kill terrorists who pretend to be peaceful protesters. There is no way that can be changed to say "The KKK are going to kill innocent protesters", unless an accident happens.
#74 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
By the way, again, you do realize you're defending some of the most hate filled people in American history, right?
#73 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Freedom of speech is a human right, true. But it doesn't excuse threatening to kill people you haven't even met. You can say you're going to kill someone, but that doesn't excuse you from the consequences of making threats against someone's life.
User avatar #66 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
And we aren't talking about hypotheticals here. Their intent is to use lethal force to protect people from others who are masquerading as peaceful protesters. That is legal. Saying that they are going to do that is legal. Nowhere did they say that they are going to open-fire into a crowd, and nowhere did they say that they are going to kill peaceful protesters. Their intent is to use lethal force (not necessarily kill, either) in a legal matter. Legally protecting others, and legally protecting themselves.
#68 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
But that's not what they said their intent was, though. They said their intent was to "use lethal force against terrorists masquerading as peaceful protestors". As stated, which is why I constantly keep going back to the hypothetical, the hypothetical is the only situation in which this could possibly happen, going off their own words. Going off their own words, on the only scenario that could really possibly play out from this situation as described by them, this is illegal. they were specific enough that only one potential scenario could be devised from what they said. Can you really see any other way in which the KKK could possibly shoot someone pretending to be a protestor unless what I described played out? For that matter, you do realize you're backing the fucking Ku Klux Klan, right?
User avatar #62 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
Where do you live? In America it is legal to kill someone who is taking your property, when defending yourself, or defending someone else's life. Again, they did not say that. They said they would shoot criminals breaking these laws, while pretending to be peaceful protesters.
#65 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
First off, depends where in America you live. Don't say stand your ground laws exist on a national level, they're state dictated. Now, they didn't say they were going to attack people who were destroying businesses, they said they were going to attack people acting as peaceful protestors. As stated, if they're pretending to be peaceful protestors, they're standing with actual peaceful protestors. Now, if you chase someone into a group of protestors, practicing their constitutionally guaranteed right to free protest, you had better know exactly who you're chasing. Because one single stray bullet hits someone in that crowd other than the guy you were chasing, you're a fucking murderer. If you chase down someone and shoot them when they don't pose a threat to you, you're a fucking murderer. In order to be able to say you shot someone who was pretending to be a peaceful protestor, you have to have chased them from whatever it was you caught them doing that gave you probable cause to think they were a rioter. Which means you chased someone who was no longer a threat to you. Implying they were running away from you. If they're running for their life, they aren't a threat to you. If they aren't a threat to you, you can't fucking shoot them dead. The KKK posts implied they would do exactly this. Hence, they threatened to kill people who weren't actually threats to them. WHICH IS FUCKING ILLEGAL
User avatar #60 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
It's not illegal to say that you're going to kill people legally. It's legal to kill people in order to protect your property, or the live's of others, either from lethal or near-lethal injuries.
They said they would use lethal force against rioters who would do lethal harm to others. They said they would only use lethal force against those who commit these crimes, and masquerade as peaceful. Meaning that they will not target innocents. The hypothesized outcome doesn't matter. The legality of the intent is what matters.
#61 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Unless you're a cop, or a soldier, or you're shooting someone in self defense, there is no such thing as killing someone legally. Killing someone you think might commit violent crimes in the future is illegal. Saying you are going to kill someone implies you fully intend to kill somebody. Saying you're going to use lethal force before it's even required is illegal. WHAT THE KKK DID, IN SAYING THEY WERE GOING TO USE LETHAL FORCE BEFORE IT WAS EVEN REQUIRED IS FUCKING ILLEGAL. It's saying flat out that you're going to kill someone. They were saying they were going to kill people. Jesus fucking christ, dude, it's illegal. Get that through your fucking head
User avatar #57 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
And they did not say that they would.
#59 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Holy fuck, dude. They said there would be lethal force against anybody masquerading as peaceful protestors. As stated, if they're pretending to be peaceful protestors, there's no way to know, until they commit a crime, that they're pretending to be peaceful protestors. Implying that you're going to use lethal force against people masquerading as peaceful protestors suggests that you're going to kill any protestor you think is actually a rioter. Which, again, you couldn't possibly know, unless they broke out in a riot right before your very eyes. Ignoring of course the fact that saying you're going to use lethal force alone means you're going to take the law into your own hands, which is also illegal. Yes, saying you'll use lethal force is the exact same thing as saying you're going to kill someone. What the fuck do you think "lethal force" means? Do you honestly believe it's not illegal to go out and publicly announce you're going to kill people?
User avatar #53 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
"masquerading as" That means that they are not peaceful.
#56 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
If they're masquerading as peaceful protestors, then they are standing in a group with peaceful protestors. If they're pretending to be peaceful protestors, that generally means they're not rioting at the time, right? Otherwise there would be no doubt whatsoever that they weren't actually peaceful protestors? You can't kill someone just standing around because you think they might be a violent criminal waiting to strike, that tends to get you thrown in jail for the rest of your life
User avatar #48 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
Yes, and these threats were not illegal. Maybe you should take a break from smoking and think for a second.
#51 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Since when is threatening lethal force against non-violence not a fucking crime? Are you on crack? Go ahead, publicly announce you're going to use lethal force against non-violent protestors, see where it gets you
User avatar #43 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
Not the official organization. People who wear the uniform and start their own clubs in their neighbourhoods are not officially part of the KKK. The official organization does it's best to distance itself from backwater murders and burning down houses.
#47 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Right, except the threats came directly from the leadership of the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. But no, they weren't endorsed by any KKK leadership, right?
User avatar #40 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
Of course you do...
Anyways, the police watch the KKK like hawks, and the KKK takes plenty of precautions to avoid doing anything illegal, as they are under hawk-eyed supervision by the police. After all, the second organization of them was a group of murderers.
#42 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Hahahaha, are you fucking kidding me? The KKK constantly does illegal shit. It's the whole reason the country as a whole still sees them as dangerous. People generally don't consider you to be dangerous when you stay quiet for 40 years, or so, you know?
#40 - Why would we have? No industrial complex, no past wars from w… 12/27/2014 on Adam and Eve 0
#34 - How would they know if they were criminals, if they were prote…  [+] (28 new replies) 12/27/2014 on when in doubt, insult the baby -3
User avatar #35 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
If it was illegal, there would have been arrests made. There weren't.
You're interpretation of it doesn't mean it's the legal definition.
#37 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
People make threats like this every day and get away with it. Others don't get away with it at all. Just because some people don't get in trouble doesn't make it illegal. I smoke weed almost every day, and I've never once been arrested for it. Does that mean it's not illegal?
User avatar #107 - ecomp (01/05/2015) [-]
There is no flaw in that. You aren't understanding my point.

If they had said "We are going to shoot people masquerading as peaceful protesters and everybody around them", that would be illegal, but it's not what they said. But anyways, way to take the coward's way out. I suppose waiting a week to reply was also an attempt at getting out of this conversation too, huh?
User avatar #105 - ecomp (01/05/2015) [-]
The KKK didn't say they were going to shoot peaceful protesters. They are going to shoot people(rioters) who were masquerading as peaceful.
#106 - phoenixactual (01/05/2015) [-]
And just like that, we're right back to the beginning, full circle, as it were. Though I'm pretty sure I pointed out the obvious flaw with their statement multiple times already, so obviously, you didn't get the point. Peace.
User avatar #103 - ecomp (01/05/2015) [-]
This was done a week ago.

Oh well, let's get back to it.

It does not matter if I defend a hate group. People are people, and that's it.
That's your only argument here. And it's just a feelsy argument, you're ignoring facts and laws, which is what actually matters.
#104 - phoenixactual (01/05/2015) [-]
Never once did I ever defend the rioters. The people I defended were the ones exercising their constitutionally guaranteed right to peaceful protest. Or do people not have an inalienable right to free and peaceful protest where you come from?
User avatar #101 - ecomp (12/28/2014) [-]
I don't give a fuck that I'm defending the KKK, you're defending Bloods and Crips, how does that make you any different? Rights are rights, and if you take them away from one person, why do they exist in the first place.
Bottom line is that they did nothing illegal, if you think they did, call the fucking cops and see how it turns out.
#102 - phoenixactual (01/05/2015) [-]
I'm not defending bloods and krips, I'm pointing out fairly obvious flaws in your posting. You're the only one defending a known hate group, here
User avatar #71 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
You can't give some people rights, but as soon as you don't like them, take away rights. Free Speech is Free Speech, no matter who says it. I don't care if you're Hitler, or if you're Ghandi, or if you're George from Accounting, there is no such thing as a thought crime.
Back on topic, the literal translation of that is that the KKK wants to kill terrorists who pretend to be peaceful protesters. There is no way that can be changed to say "The KKK are going to kill innocent protesters", unless an accident happens.
#74 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
By the way, again, you do realize you're defending some of the most hate filled people in American history, right?
#73 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Freedom of speech is a human right, true. But it doesn't excuse threatening to kill people you haven't even met. You can say you're going to kill someone, but that doesn't excuse you from the consequences of making threats against someone's life.
User avatar #66 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
And we aren't talking about hypotheticals here. Their intent is to use lethal force to protect people from others who are masquerading as peaceful protesters. That is legal. Saying that they are going to do that is legal. Nowhere did they say that they are going to open-fire into a crowd, and nowhere did they say that they are going to kill peaceful protesters. Their intent is to use lethal force (not necessarily kill, either) in a legal matter. Legally protecting others, and legally protecting themselves.
#68 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
But that's not what they said their intent was, though. They said their intent was to "use lethal force against terrorists masquerading as peaceful protestors". As stated, which is why I constantly keep going back to the hypothetical, the hypothetical is the only situation in which this could possibly happen, going off their own words. Going off their own words, on the only scenario that could really possibly play out from this situation as described by them, this is illegal. they were specific enough that only one potential scenario could be devised from what they said. Can you really see any other way in which the KKK could possibly shoot someone pretending to be a protestor unless what I described played out? For that matter, you do realize you're backing the fucking Ku Klux Klan, right?
User avatar #62 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
Where do you live? In America it is legal to kill someone who is taking your property, when defending yourself, or defending someone else's life. Again, they did not say that. They said they would shoot criminals breaking these laws, while pretending to be peaceful protesters.
#65 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
First off, depends where in America you live. Don't say stand your ground laws exist on a national level, they're state dictated. Now, they didn't say they were going to attack people who were destroying businesses, they said they were going to attack people acting as peaceful protestors. As stated, if they're pretending to be peaceful protestors, they're standing with actual peaceful protestors. Now, if you chase someone into a group of protestors, practicing their constitutionally guaranteed right to free protest, you had better know exactly who you're chasing. Because one single stray bullet hits someone in that crowd other than the guy you were chasing, you're a fucking murderer. If you chase down someone and shoot them when they don't pose a threat to you, you're a fucking murderer. In order to be able to say you shot someone who was pretending to be a peaceful protestor, you have to have chased them from whatever it was you caught them doing that gave you probable cause to think they were a rioter. Which means you chased someone who was no longer a threat to you. Implying they were running away from you. If they're running for their life, they aren't a threat to you. If they aren't a threat to you, you can't fucking shoot them dead. The KKK posts implied they would do exactly this. Hence, they threatened to kill people who weren't actually threats to them. WHICH IS FUCKING ILLEGAL
User avatar #60 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
It's not illegal to say that you're going to kill people legally. It's legal to kill people in order to protect your property, or the live's of others, either from lethal or near-lethal injuries.
They said they would use lethal force against rioters who would do lethal harm to others. They said they would only use lethal force against those who commit these crimes, and masquerade as peaceful. Meaning that they will not target innocents. The hypothesized outcome doesn't matter. The legality of the intent is what matters.
#61 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Unless you're a cop, or a soldier, or you're shooting someone in self defense, there is no such thing as killing someone legally. Killing someone you think might commit violent crimes in the future is illegal. Saying you are going to kill someone implies you fully intend to kill somebody. Saying you're going to use lethal force before it's even required is illegal. WHAT THE KKK DID, IN SAYING THEY WERE GOING TO USE LETHAL FORCE BEFORE IT WAS EVEN REQUIRED IS FUCKING ILLEGAL. It's saying flat out that you're going to kill someone. They were saying they were going to kill people. Jesus fucking christ, dude, it's illegal. Get that through your fucking head
User avatar #57 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
And they did not say that they would.
#59 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Holy fuck, dude. They said there would be lethal force against anybody masquerading as peaceful protestors. As stated, if they're pretending to be peaceful protestors, there's no way to know, until they commit a crime, that they're pretending to be peaceful protestors. Implying that you're going to use lethal force against people masquerading as peaceful protestors suggests that you're going to kill any protestor you think is actually a rioter. Which, again, you couldn't possibly know, unless they broke out in a riot right before your very eyes. Ignoring of course the fact that saying you're going to use lethal force alone means you're going to take the law into your own hands, which is also illegal. Yes, saying you'll use lethal force is the exact same thing as saying you're going to kill someone. What the fuck do you think "lethal force" means? Do you honestly believe it's not illegal to go out and publicly announce you're going to kill people?
User avatar #53 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
"masquerading as" That means that they are not peaceful.
#56 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
If they're masquerading as peaceful protestors, then they are standing in a group with peaceful protestors. If they're pretending to be peaceful protestors, that generally means they're not rioting at the time, right? Otherwise there would be no doubt whatsoever that they weren't actually peaceful protestors? You can't kill someone just standing around because you think they might be a violent criminal waiting to strike, that tends to get you thrown in jail for the rest of your life
User avatar #48 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
Yes, and these threats were not illegal. Maybe you should take a break from smoking and think for a second.
#51 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Since when is threatening lethal force against non-violence not a fucking crime? Are you on crack? Go ahead, publicly announce you're going to use lethal force against non-violent protestors, see where it gets you
User avatar #43 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
Not the official organization. People who wear the uniform and start their own clubs in their neighbourhoods are not officially part of the KKK. The official organization does it's best to distance itself from backwater murders and burning down houses.
#47 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Right, except the threats came directly from the leadership of the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. But no, they weren't endorsed by any KKK leadership, right?
User avatar #40 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
Of course you do...
Anyways, the police watch the KKK like hawks, and the KKK takes plenty of precautions to avoid doing anything illegal, as they are under hawk-eyed supervision by the police. After all, the second organization of them was a group of murderers.
#42 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Hahahaha, are you fucking kidding me? The KKK constantly does illegal shit. It's the whole reason the country as a whole still sees them as dangerous. People generally don't consider you to be dangerous when you stay quiet for 40 years, or so, you know?
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User avatar #86 - MrDeadiron (12/27/2014) [-]
The witnesses testimonies conflicted with the corners report and many witness admitted they lied later.
User avatar #67 - thegameujustlost (12/27/2014) [-]
Well im not from the USA so I dont really know whats going on, but from my point of view you have a big problem with the police force, and this problem is not racism. Is about cops beeing poorly prepared and trained to interact with the civilian. Police brutality and easy trigger seem pretty wide spread in your country.

Also where does this white supremacy bullshit comes from? Aren't you allowed to be a cop if you're black? Aren't there pretty strong antydiscrimination laws? Aren't there lawsuits to be won if a public force or a private bussines discriminates against you based on the color of your skin?
#70 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
White supremacy comes in when racial profiling becomes a widespread issue across all 50 states thought I covered that one already . As for anti discrimination laws in the US, anybody with eyes should be able to see we're nowhere near where we need to be on this one.
User avatar #76 - thegameujustlost (12/27/2014) [-]
Why not? If im not wrong the employer has to prove his inocence when faced with a discrimination lawsuit. What else can you wish for? This is an actual quesiton.

Another faggot crying about racial profiling, you sound like the potheads and in my country that cry about uh cops are bastards because they stop and search me just because how I look and dress. Yet every single one of them smokes or deals weed and obviously everytime a police officer searchs them they found something.

Flash news buddy they use racial profiling because it fucking works. If 90% of people who look like a gangsta does gangsta shit maybe you can use this in your favor huh?

And yeah I repeat im not from USA but I doubt american police officers stop and search a suited up black guy.

#52 - notafunnyguy (12/27/2014) [-]
nobody gives a shit about garner.
we're talking about brown.
#87 - anonymous (12/27/2014) [-]
How are you gonna say noone gives a fuck about Garner, they literally choked the motherfucker out on tape and walked away.
#54 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Actually, the very first post, the post that started this entire conversation, the post that literally every person in this thread has been responding to since the start, was entirely about Garner. I should know, it's my fucking post
#55 - notafunnyguy (12/27/2014) [-]
dude, you suck at trolling. go back to tumblr. you're an amature. :^)
#58 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Seriously? I said very specifically at the start of this thread that I wasn't bringing up Mike Brown, I think you need to learn to read
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#33 - swagmonstah (12/27/2014) [-]
Mike Brown was a criminal, better dead than receiving my tax dollars.
The officer's choke hold din't kill Eric Garner, years and years of fatty foods and obesity killed Eric Garner.
The dumbass 12 year old w/ the pellet gun? Deserved every bullet he took.
The criminal at the gas station? Deserved every bullet he took.

None of these people are productive members of society, none had a place or a right to live.

How is that hard for you to understand?
#38 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
The coroner ruled the death a homicide
The coroner ruled the death a homicide
The coroner ruled the death a homicide

I guess the opinion of the medical professional who investigated the death means absolute shit, right? Why should we listen to the guy the cops fucking hired to investigate the body? He only studied this shit enough to make a career out of it, he has no fucking clue what he's talking about, right? Since when does a robbery that wasn't even related to the shooting warrant a death penalty? Since when is it ok to choke to death someone on the side of the street when they're offering no resistance at the time? Again, since when is it perfectly acceptable to kill someone who poses no threat to you whatsoever? So far as I can remember, Killing someone who poses no threat to you has always been called murder. But it's ok, because Garner was fat, so he was worth less as a human being than you. But it's ok, Brown stole a few cigars, that's totally a perfect reason to kill him, right?
#39 - swagmonstah (12/27/2014) [-]
Brown wasn't killed over cigars you fucking idiot. He was stopped because he stole cigars, he was killed because he attacked an officer.
Black people aren't all as stupid as you are they?
#41 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Right, except the police department has already said Wilson had no fucking clue Brown was involved in the robbery. Now, you tried to say Brown was a criminal, he deserved what he got. You know what's incredible about how he died? He posed absolutely no threat whatsoever at the time the killing shots hit him. He was over a hundred feet away at the time. Now, that being said, let's take a look at the two testimonies, from Wilson, and Brown's friend. Both say Brown broke free from the cop car, and started running away. Perfectly reasonable, he just got fucking shot. Ok. Next, he stops, and turns to face Wilson. Again, understandable, you just got shot, you just heard the guy who shot you get out of his car as you were running away, what do you do now? Wilson's story says he reached into his waistband, as if to pull a gun on him, and he felt immediately threatened. Just for a second, seriously ask yourself, how the fuck does that remotely make sense? You just got shot. You know the cop has a loaded gun. You know he's trained to use it if his life is in danger. You also know you have no fucking gun on your person whatsoever. You just turned to face the cop leveling a gun at your chest, likely from behind the door of his cruiser. You're looking the fucking cop in the face. Why the fuck are you going to reach for a gun that doesn't exist, knowing full well that doing so is going to get a few extra rounds put directly into your chest? It takes sub-Forrest Gump levels of stupidity to even consider that, unless you just want to get shot. Ever take a second to actually think for yourself?
#44 - swagmonstah (12/27/2014) [-]
It's impossible for me to read more than a sentence typed by a person as uneducated as you.
#45 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Seriously? I'm the only one basing my argument on the actual testimonies of the only two living people involved in the shooting. I don't see you posting anything useful
#46 - swagmonstah (12/27/2014) [-]
No, you're basing your bull shit on pieces of evidence.
It's not your fault though, you're doing it because your black. It's not your fault. You're not smart enough to form thoughts.
#77 - anonymous (12/27/2014) [-]
red thumbs means stop
#50 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
By the way, I'm as white as you are. Nice try, though
#49 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Ok, that was just downright fucking hilarious. No, seriously, I'm rolling, this time. My comment was written using testimony from Darren Wilson and Dorian Johnson, the only two living people that can be verified to have been on the scene. In my comment, I pointed out the logical fallacy of claiming someone was reaching for a gun that didn't exist. I stand by the cops if the officer's life is actually in danger. But when there's no discernible threat from the person standing 100 feet away, when said person doesn't even have a gun, how could you possibly think they're about to shoot you?
User avatar #81 - thegameujustlost (12/27/2014) [-]
Can you give source on this? The actual testimonies word by word. Sorry to bother you but i dont want to surf in the endless amount of shitstorm to look for it.
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#29 - swagmonstah (12/27/2014) [-]
At the end of the day you're an idiot, there's nothing to protest. Blacks aren't being gunned down by police. Criminals are.
If blacks didn't feel so fucking entitled maybe they'd be productive members of society.
#31 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Ok, here's the problem. When you're unarmed, and you're standing over 100 feet away from the cop, you don't pose enough of a threat to justify getting shot, no matter how many cigars you stole from a grocery store that really had nothing to do with why you were stopped by said cop. When you're choking, and you're unarmed, and the cops refuse to let any of the witnesses on scene give you any kind of aid after you've passed out, there's no justifying that. Yeah, again, all witnesses on site say the death of Eric Garner was totally unjustified. When you are unarmed, and pose no threat to the cop whatsoever, lethal force is not justified. How is that so hard for you to understand?
#33 - swagmonstah (12/27/2014) [-]
Mike Brown was a criminal, better dead than receiving my tax dollars.
The officer's choke hold din't kill Eric Garner, years and years of fatty foods and obesity killed Eric Garner.
The dumbass 12 year old w/ the pellet gun? Deserved every bullet he took.
The criminal at the gas station? Deserved every bullet he took.

None of these people are productive members of society, none had a place or a right to live.

How is that hard for you to understand?
#38 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
The coroner ruled the death a homicide
The coroner ruled the death a homicide
The coroner ruled the death a homicide

I guess the opinion of the medical professional who investigated the death means absolute shit, right? Why should we listen to the guy the cops fucking hired to investigate the body? He only studied this shit enough to make a career out of it, he has no fucking clue what he's talking about, right? Since when does a robbery that wasn't even related to the shooting warrant a death penalty? Since when is it ok to choke to death someone on the side of the street when they're offering no resistance at the time? Again, since when is it perfectly acceptable to kill someone who poses no threat to you whatsoever? So far as I can remember, Killing someone who poses no threat to you has always been called murder. But it's ok, because Garner was fat, so he was worth less as a human being than you. But it's ok, Brown stole a few cigars, that's totally a perfect reason to kill him, right?
#39 - swagmonstah (12/27/2014) [-]
Brown wasn't killed over cigars you fucking idiot. He was stopped because he stole cigars, he was killed because he attacked an officer.
Black people aren't all as stupid as you are they?
#41 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Right, except the police department has already said Wilson had no fucking clue Brown was involved in the robbery. Now, you tried to say Brown was a criminal, he deserved what he got. You know what's incredible about how he died? He posed absolutely no threat whatsoever at the time the killing shots hit him. He was over a hundred feet away at the time. Now, that being said, let's take a look at the two testimonies, from Wilson, and Brown's friend. Both say Brown broke free from the cop car, and started running away. Perfectly reasonable, he just got fucking shot. Ok. Next, he stops, and turns to face Wilson. Again, understandable, you just got shot, you just heard the guy who shot you get out of his car as you were running away, what do you do now? Wilson's story says he reached into his waistband, as if to pull a gun on him, and he felt immediately threatened. Just for a second, seriously ask yourself, how the fuck does that remotely make sense? You just got shot. You know the cop has a loaded gun. You know he's trained to use it if his life is in danger. You also know you have no fucking gun on your person whatsoever. You just turned to face the cop leveling a gun at your chest, likely from behind the door of his cruiser. You're looking the fucking cop in the face. Why the fuck are you going to reach for a gun that doesn't exist, knowing full well that doing so is going to get a few extra rounds put directly into your chest? It takes sub-Forrest Gump levels of stupidity to even consider that, unless you just want to get shot. Ever take a second to actually think for yourself?
#44 - swagmonstah (12/27/2014) [-]
It's impossible for me to read more than a sentence typed by a person as uneducated as you.
#45 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Seriously? I'm the only one basing my argument on the actual testimonies of the only two living people involved in the shooting. I don't see you posting anything useful
#46 - swagmonstah (12/27/2014) [-]
No, you're basing your bull shit on pieces of evidence.
It's not your fault though, you're doing it because your black. It's not your fault. You're not smart enough to form thoughts.
#77 - anonymous (12/27/2014) [-]
red thumbs means stop
#50 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
By the way, I'm as white as you are. Nice try, though
#49 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Ok, that was just downright fucking hilarious. No, seriously, I'm rolling, this time. My comment was written using testimony from Darren Wilson and Dorian Johnson, the only two living people that can be verified to have been on the scene. In my comment, I pointed out the logical fallacy of claiming someone was reaching for a gun that didn't exist. I stand by the cops if the officer's life is actually in danger. But when there's no discernible threat from the person standing 100 feet away, when said person doesn't even have a gun, how could you possibly think they're about to shoot you?
User avatar #81 - thegameujustlost (12/27/2014) [-]
Can you give source on this? The actual testimonies word by word. Sorry to bother you but i dont want to surf in the endless amount of shitstorm to look for it.
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User avatar #28 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
They didn't say they would go out in the streets shooting innocents. They said they would shoot violent criminals who were pretending to be peaceful protesters. That's more of a Korean Shopkeepers protecting buisinesses sort of deal.
#34 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
How would they know if they were criminals, if they were protesting peacefully? Or are you imagining the guy who just set fire to a business running into a crowd of people two blocks away to escape? "Masquerading as peaceful protestors" implies you're not performing any violent acts when KKK members shoot you dead. And again, unless you're part of the police, or if you're in the National Guard, specifically on mission in Ferguson, you do not have any right to shoot someone unless they are a direct threat to your life, or those around you. Now, if a rioter runs into a group of peaceful protestors to get away, who's to say that known racist KKK member isn't just going to open fire on the whole crowd, saying it was self defense? No, by their own words, it seriously sounded like they had every intention to shoot without making sure targets were actually guilty of anything. They directly threatened the lives of people at peaceful protests, that, sir, is fucking illegal
User avatar #35 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
If it was illegal, there would have been arrests made. There weren't.
You're interpretation of it doesn't mean it's the legal definition.
#37 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
People make threats like this every day and get away with it. Others don't get away with it at all. Just because some people don't get in trouble doesn't make it illegal. I smoke weed almost every day, and I've never once been arrested for it. Does that mean it's not illegal?
User avatar #107 - ecomp (01/05/2015) [-]
There is no flaw in that. You aren't understanding my point.

If they had said "We are going to shoot people masquerading as peaceful protesters and everybody around them", that would be illegal, but it's not what they said. But anyways, way to take the coward's way out. I suppose waiting a week to reply was also an attempt at getting out of this conversation too, huh?
User avatar #105 - ecomp (01/05/2015) [-]
The KKK didn't say they were going to shoot peaceful protesters. They are going to shoot people(rioters) who were masquerading as peaceful.
#106 - phoenixactual (01/05/2015) [-]
And just like that, we're right back to the beginning, full circle, as it were. Though I'm pretty sure I pointed out the obvious flaw with their statement multiple times already, so obviously, you didn't get the point. Peace.
User avatar #103 - ecomp (01/05/2015) [-]
This was done a week ago.

Oh well, let's get back to it.

It does not matter if I defend a hate group. People are people, and that's it.
That's your only argument here. And it's just a feelsy argument, you're ignoring facts and laws, which is what actually matters.
#104 - phoenixactual (01/05/2015) [-]
Never once did I ever defend the rioters. The people I defended were the ones exercising their constitutionally guaranteed right to peaceful protest. Or do people not have an inalienable right to free and peaceful protest where you come from?
User avatar #101 - ecomp (12/28/2014) [-]
I don't give a fuck that I'm defending the KKK, you're defending Bloods and Crips, how does that make you any different? Rights are rights, and if you take them away from one person, why do they exist in the first place.
Bottom line is that they did nothing illegal, if you think they did, call the fucking cops and see how it turns out.
#102 - phoenixactual (01/05/2015) [-]
I'm not defending bloods and krips, I'm pointing out fairly obvious flaws in your posting. You're the only one defending a known hate group, here
User avatar #71 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
You can't give some people rights, but as soon as you don't like them, take away rights. Free Speech is Free Speech, no matter who says it. I don't care if you're Hitler, or if you're Ghandi, or if you're George from Accounting, there is no such thing as a thought crime.
Back on topic, the literal translation of that is that the KKK wants to kill terrorists who pretend to be peaceful protesters. There is no way that can be changed to say "The KKK are going to kill innocent protesters", unless an accident happens.
#74 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
By the way, again, you do realize you're defending some of the most hate filled people in American history, right?
#73 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Freedom of speech is a human right, true. But it doesn't excuse threatening to kill people you haven't even met. You can say you're going to kill someone, but that doesn't excuse you from the consequences of making threats against someone's life.
User avatar #66 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
And we aren't talking about hypotheticals here. Their intent is to use lethal force to protect people from others who are masquerading as peaceful protesters. That is legal. Saying that they are going to do that is legal. Nowhere did they say that they are going to open-fire into a crowd, and nowhere did they say that they are going to kill peaceful protesters. Their intent is to use lethal force (not necessarily kill, either) in a legal matter. Legally protecting others, and legally protecting themselves.
#68 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
But that's not what they said their intent was, though. They said their intent was to "use lethal force against terrorists masquerading as peaceful protestors". As stated, which is why I constantly keep going back to the hypothetical, the hypothetical is the only situation in which this could possibly happen, going off their own words. Going off their own words, on the only scenario that could really possibly play out from this situation as described by them, this is illegal. they were specific enough that only one potential scenario could be devised from what they said. Can you really see any other way in which the KKK could possibly shoot someone pretending to be a protestor unless what I described played out? For that matter, you do realize you're backing the fucking Ku Klux Klan, right?
User avatar #62 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
Where do you live? In America it is legal to kill someone who is taking your property, when defending yourself, or defending someone else's life. Again, they did not say that. They said they would shoot criminals breaking these laws, while pretending to be peaceful protesters.
#65 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
First off, depends where in America you live. Don't say stand your ground laws exist on a national level, they're state dictated. Now, they didn't say they were going to attack people who were destroying businesses, they said they were going to attack people acting as peaceful protestors. As stated, if they're pretending to be peaceful protestors, they're standing with actual peaceful protestors. Now, if you chase someone into a group of protestors, practicing their constitutionally guaranteed right to free protest, you had better know exactly who you're chasing. Because one single stray bullet hits someone in that crowd other than the guy you were chasing, you're a fucking murderer. If you chase down someone and shoot them when they don't pose a threat to you, you're a fucking murderer. In order to be able to say you shot someone who was pretending to be a peaceful protestor, you have to have chased them from whatever it was you caught them doing that gave you probable cause to think they were a rioter. Which means you chased someone who was no longer a threat to you. Implying they were running away from you. If they're running for their life, they aren't a threat to you. If they aren't a threat to you, you can't fucking shoot them dead. The KKK posts implied they would do exactly this. Hence, they threatened to kill people who weren't actually threats to them. WHICH IS FUCKING ILLEGAL
User avatar #60 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
It's not illegal to say that you're going to kill people legally. It's legal to kill people in order to protect your property, or the live's of others, either from lethal or near-lethal injuries.
They said they would use lethal force against rioters who would do lethal harm to others. They said they would only use lethal force against those who commit these crimes, and masquerade as peaceful. Meaning that they will not target innocents. The hypothesized outcome doesn't matter. The legality of the intent is what matters.
#61 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Unless you're a cop, or a soldier, or you're shooting someone in self defense, there is no such thing as killing someone legally. Killing someone you think might commit violent crimes in the future is illegal. Saying you are going to kill someone implies you fully intend to kill somebody. Saying you're going to use lethal force before it's even required is illegal. WHAT THE KKK DID, IN SAYING THEY WERE GOING TO USE LETHAL FORCE BEFORE IT WAS EVEN REQUIRED IS FUCKING ILLEGAL. It's saying flat out that you're going to kill someone. They were saying they were going to kill people. Jesus fucking christ, dude, it's illegal. Get that through your fucking head
User avatar #57 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
And they did not say that they would.
#59 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Holy fuck, dude. They said there would be lethal force against anybody masquerading as peaceful protestors. As stated, if they're pretending to be peaceful protestors, there's no way to know, until they commit a crime, that they're pretending to be peaceful protestors. Implying that you're going to use lethal force against people masquerading as peaceful protestors suggests that you're going to kill any protestor you think is actually a rioter. Which, again, you couldn't possibly know, unless they broke out in a riot right before your very eyes. Ignoring of course the fact that saying you're going to use lethal force alone means you're going to take the law into your own hands, which is also illegal. Yes, saying you'll use lethal force is the exact same thing as saying you're going to kill someone. What the fuck do you think "lethal force" means? Do you honestly believe it's not illegal to go out and publicly announce you're going to kill people?
User avatar #53 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
"masquerading as" That means that they are not peaceful.
#56 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
If they're masquerading as peaceful protestors, then they are standing in a group with peaceful protestors. If they're pretending to be peaceful protestors, that generally means they're not rioting at the time, right? Otherwise there would be no doubt whatsoever that they weren't actually peaceful protestors? You can't kill someone just standing around because you think they might be a violent criminal waiting to strike, that tends to get you thrown in jail for the rest of your life
User avatar #48 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
Yes, and these threats were not illegal. Maybe you should take a break from smoking and think for a second.
#51 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Since when is threatening lethal force against non-violence not a fucking crime? Are you on crack? Go ahead, publicly announce you're going to use lethal force against non-violent protestors, see where it gets you
User avatar #43 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
Not the official organization. People who wear the uniform and start their own clubs in their neighbourhoods are not officially part of the KKK. The official organization does it's best to distance itself from backwater murders and burning down houses.
#47 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Right, except the threats came directly from the leadership of the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. But no, they weren't endorsed by any KKK leadership, right?
User avatar #40 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
Of course you do...
Anyways, the police watch the KKK like hawks, and the KKK takes plenty of precautions to avoid doing anything illegal, as they are under hawk-eyed supervision by the police. After all, the second organization of them was a group of murderers.
#42 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Hahahaha, are you fucking kidding me? The KKK constantly does illegal shit. It's the whole reason the country as a whole still sees them as dangerous. People generally don't consider you to be dangerous when you stay quiet for 40 years, or so, you know?
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User avatar #39 - dorfdorfdorf (12/27/2014) [-]
I think it could go both ways, we could have built spaceships hundreds of years earlier and already pollutant-less-ly inhabited other planets, we also could have stayed firmly on the ground. i cant say for sure whether we would become as advanced as instant global communication, or even if we would need to. i also wonder about population, since dying was never part of the plan. i'm just not sure. i apologize for not being able to answer everything
#40 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Why would we have? No industrial complex, no past wars from which to base rocket design off of, no quest to understand the universe around us, how would we have the drive to explore new worlds, discover new things, and search for answers in the fabric of space itself, when all things were known by god, and we could just get whatever answers we wanted whenever we wanted them. Where would be the drive for discovery? Our space travel capability was a direct result of thousands of years of development of rockets for warfare, ignoring for a moment the horrors of said wars, the results helped better the human race in the long run. Without all that, we don't have nearly the technological capabilities. Without war, we wouldn't have had the need to further develop the very explosives that would eventually lead to modern rocketry. Every aspect of the space race was, for better or worse, fueled by human warfare in the past. Without all that, we'd still be earth bound, maybe with limited flight capability. The industrial revolution fueled the experimentation that led to the use of electricity in the home, what happens when we don't need the industrial revolution to make lives easier? The modern world as we know it, all of our technology, for better or worst, is a product of 10000 years of hardship or more, depending on where your beliefs stand Without all the hardship, what would have been the point? We'd be totally content with our existence, we wouldn't have need for anything of the modern world. And I see a world, where nobody has the drive to learn and explore, as a nightmare
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User avatar #23 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
www.newsweek.com/ferguson-recruitment-boon-gangs-265884
www.youngcons.com/old-guy-calls-on-st-louis-crips-and-bloods-to-do-the-unthinkable-in-ferguson-protest-video/
Also, the KKK were not doing anything illegal. They said "The Ferguson protesters should be round up and shot". That is not a death threat at all. A death threat needs to be phrased in a way that shows that they are going to commit said crime. "I am going to kill Ferguson Protesters" is illegal. "Someone should kill Ferguson Protestors" is not. Same goes the other way.
#26 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
"Threatened lethal force to defend against people masquerading as peaceful protestors". Key words there being lethal, and peaceful. In other words, "We're going to defend ourselves against you, whether we're actually threatened or not". Even barring the inclusion of peaceful protestors, it's still illegal to go into the streets and start shooting people, unless they directly threaten your life. They threatened violence against protestors. That is illegal.

User avatar #28 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
They didn't say they would go out in the streets shooting innocents. They said they would shoot violent criminals who were pretending to be peaceful protesters. That's more of a Korean Shopkeepers protecting buisinesses sort of deal.
#34 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
How would they know if they were criminals, if they were protesting peacefully? Or are you imagining the guy who just set fire to a business running into a crowd of people two blocks away to escape? "Masquerading as peaceful protestors" implies you're not performing any violent acts when KKK members shoot you dead. And again, unless you're part of the police, or if you're in the National Guard, specifically on mission in Ferguson, you do not have any right to shoot someone unless they are a direct threat to your life, or those around you. Now, if a rioter runs into a group of peaceful protestors to get away, who's to say that known racist KKK member isn't just going to open fire on the whole crowd, saying it was self defense? No, by their own words, it seriously sounded like they had every intention to shoot without making sure targets were actually guilty of anything. They directly threatened the lives of people at peaceful protests, that, sir, is fucking illegal
User avatar #35 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
If it was illegal, there would have been arrests made. There weren't.
You're interpretation of it doesn't mean it's the legal definition.
#37 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
People make threats like this every day and get away with it. Others don't get away with it at all. Just because some people don't get in trouble doesn't make it illegal. I smoke weed almost every day, and I've never once been arrested for it. Does that mean it's not illegal?
User avatar #107 - ecomp (01/05/2015) [-]
There is no flaw in that. You aren't understanding my point.

If they had said "We are going to shoot people masquerading as peaceful protesters and everybody around them", that would be illegal, but it's not what they said. But anyways, way to take the coward's way out. I suppose waiting a week to reply was also an attempt at getting out of this conversation too, huh?
User avatar #105 - ecomp (01/05/2015) [-]
The KKK didn't say they were going to shoot peaceful protesters. They are going to shoot people(rioters) who were masquerading as peaceful.
#106 - phoenixactual (01/05/2015) [-]
And just like that, we're right back to the beginning, full circle, as it were. Though I'm pretty sure I pointed out the obvious flaw with their statement multiple times already, so obviously, you didn't get the point. Peace.
User avatar #103 - ecomp (01/05/2015) [-]
This was done a week ago.

Oh well, let's get back to it.

It does not matter if I defend a hate group. People are people, and that's it.
That's your only argument here. And it's just a feelsy argument, you're ignoring facts and laws, which is what actually matters.
#104 - phoenixactual (01/05/2015) [-]
Never once did I ever defend the rioters. The people I defended were the ones exercising their constitutionally guaranteed right to peaceful protest. Or do people not have an inalienable right to free and peaceful protest where you come from?
User avatar #101 - ecomp (12/28/2014) [-]
I don't give a fuck that I'm defending the KKK, you're defending Bloods and Crips, how does that make you any different? Rights are rights, and if you take them away from one person, why do they exist in the first place.
Bottom line is that they did nothing illegal, if you think they did, call the fucking cops and see how it turns out.
#102 - phoenixactual (01/05/2015) [-]
I'm not defending bloods and krips, I'm pointing out fairly obvious flaws in your posting. You're the only one defending a known hate group, here
User avatar #71 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
You can't give some people rights, but as soon as you don't like them, take away rights. Free Speech is Free Speech, no matter who says it. I don't care if you're Hitler, or if you're Ghandi, or if you're George from Accounting, there is no such thing as a thought crime.
Back on topic, the literal translation of that is that the KKK wants to kill terrorists who pretend to be peaceful protesters. There is no way that can be changed to say "The KKK are going to kill innocent protesters", unless an accident happens.
#74 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
By the way, again, you do realize you're defending some of the most hate filled people in American history, right?
#73 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Freedom of speech is a human right, true. But it doesn't excuse threatening to kill people you haven't even met. You can say you're going to kill someone, but that doesn't excuse you from the consequences of making threats against someone's life.
User avatar #66 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
And we aren't talking about hypotheticals here. Their intent is to use lethal force to protect people from others who are masquerading as peaceful protesters. That is legal. Saying that they are going to do that is legal. Nowhere did they say that they are going to open-fire into a crowd, and nowhere did they say that they are going to kill peaceful protesters. Their intent is to use lethal force (not necessarily kill, either) in a legal matter. Legally protecting others, and legally protecting themselves.
#68 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
But that's not what they said their intent was, though. They said their intent was to "use lethal force against terrorists masquerading as peaceful protestors". As stated, which is why I constantly keep going back to the hypothetical, the hypothetical is the only situation in which this could possibly happen, going off their own words. Going off their own words, on the only scenario that could really possibly play out from this situation as described by them, this is illegal. they were specific enough that only one potential scenario could be devised from what they said. Can you really see any other way in which the KKK could possibly shoot someone pretending to be a protestor unless what I described played out? For that matter, you do realize you're backing the fucking Ku Klux Klan, right?
User avatar #62 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
Where do you live? In America it is legal to kill someone who is taking your property, when defending yourself, or defending someone else's life. Again, they did not say that. They said they would shoot criminals breaking these laws, while pretending to be peaceful protesters.
#65 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
First off, depends where in America you live. Don't say stand your ground laws exist on a national level, they're state dictated. Now, they didn't say they were going to attack people who were destroying businesses, they said they were going to attack people acting as peaceful protestors. As stated, if they're pretending to be peaceful protestors, they're standing with actual peaceful protestors. Now, if you chase someone into a group of protestors, practicing their constitutionally guaranteed right to free protest, you had better know exactly who you're chasing. Because one single stray bullet hits someone in that crowd other than the guy you were chasing, you're a fucking murderer. If you chase down someone and shoot them when they don't pose a threat to you, you're a fucking murderer. In order to be able to say you shot someone who was pretending to be a peaceful protestor, you have to have chased them from whatever it was you caught them doing that gave you probable cause to think they were a rioter. Which means you chased someone who was no longer a threat to you. Implying they were running away from you. If they're running for their life, they aren't a threat to you. If they aren't a threat to you, you can't fucking shoot them dead. The KKK posts implied they would do exactly this. Hence, they threatened to kill people who weren't actually threats to them. WHICH IS FUCKING ILLEGAL
User avatar #60 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
It's not illegal to say that you're going to kill people legally. It's legal to kill people in order to protect your property, or the live's of others, either from lethal or near-lethal injuries.
They said they would use lethal force against rioters who would do lethal harm to others. They said they would only use lethal force against those who commit these crimes, and masquerade as peaceful. Meaning that they will not target innocents. The hypothesized outcome doesn't matter. The legality of the intent is what matters.
#61 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Unless you're a cop, or a soldier, or you're shooting someone in self defense, there is no such thing as killing someone legally. Killing someone you think might commit violent crimes in the future is illegal. Saying you are going to kill someone implies you fully intend to kill somebody. Saying you're going to use lethal force before it's even required is illegal. WHAT THE KKK DID, IN SAYING THEY WERE GOING TO USE LETHAL FORCE BEFORE IT WAS EVEN REQUIRED IS FUCKING ILLEGAL. It's saying flat out that you're going to kill someone. They were saying they were going to kill people. Jesus fucking christ, dude, it's illegal. Get that through your fucking head
User avatar #57 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
And they did not say that they would.
#59 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Holy fuck, dude. They said there would be lethal force against anybody masquerading as peaceful protestors. As stated, if they're pretending to be peaceful protestors, there's no way to know, until they commit a crime, that they're pretending to be peaceful protestors. Implying that you're going to use lethal force against people masquerading as peaceful protestors suggests that you're going to kill any protestor you think is actually a rioter. Which, again, you couldn't possibly know, unless they broke out in a riot right before your very eyes. Ignoring of course the fact that saying you're going to use lethal force alone means you're going to take the law into your own hands, which is also illegal. Yes, saying you'll use lethal force is the exact same thing as saying you're going to kill someone. What the fuck do you think "lethal force" means? Do you honestly believe it's not illegal to go out and publicly announce you're going to kill people?
User avatar #53 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
"masquerading as" That means that they are not peaceful.
#56 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
If they're masquerading as peaceful protestors, then they are standing in a group with peaceful protestors. If they're pretending to be peaceful protestors, that generally means they're not rioting at the time, right? Otherwise there would be no doubt whatsoever that they weren't actually peaceful protestors? You can't kill someone just standing around because you think they might be a violent criminal waiting to strike, that tends to get you thrown in jail for the rest of your life
User avatar #48 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
Yes, and these threats were not illegal. Maybe you should take a break from smoking and think for a second.
#51 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Since when is threatening lethal force against non-violence not a fucking crime? Are you on crack? Go ahead, publicly announce you're going to use lethal force against non-violent protestors, see where it gets you
User avatar #43 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
Not the official organization. People who wear the uniform and start their own clubs in their neighbourhoods are not officially part of the KKK. The official organization does it's best to distance itself from backwater murders and burning down houses.
#47 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Right, except the threats came directly from the leadership of the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. But no, they weren't endorsed by any KKK leadership, right?
User avatar #40 - ecomp (12/27/2014) [-]
Of course you do...
Anyways, the police watch the KKK like hawks, and the KKK takes plenty of precautions to avoid doing anything illegal, as they are under hawk-eyed supervision by the police. After all, the second organization of them was a group of murderers.
#42 - phoenixactual (12/27/2014) [-]
Hahahaha, are you fucking kidding me? The KKK constantly does illegal shit. It's the whole reason the country as a whole still sees them as dangerous. People generally don't consider you to be dangerous when you stay quiet for 40 years, or so, you know?
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#1 - anonymous (07/15/2013) [-]
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#2 to #1 - phoenixactual (07/16/2013) [-]
it's going fairly well, 6 months in, somewhat surprising changes for this short of time
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