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|#124 - Animals that we hunt/eat = not sentient but **** … [+] (4 new replies)||03/13/2014 on (untitled)||0|
#278 - malific (03/14/2014) [-]
Someone definitely DID NOT read my entire comment.
Like the second to last line where I said: "For that matter newborn humans aren't sentient is it okay to kill them if they aren't wanted? It should be since you only care about sentience."
I'm not arguing that fetuses are sentient, i'm arguing that 1) Sentience should not be a basis for deciding whether or not to kill things, and 2) very few animals are actually sentient.
#327 - kievaughnb (03/14/2014) [-]
Newborn babies are sentient, though. They can experience some of the emotions and all of the senses that adults experience. The real argument here is when they stop being a mass of cells in the uterus doing nothing and start being sentient.
I can see that you're very passionate, and there's good reason for that. I'm not attempting to belittle your views. I just would like a bit of insight on your opinions.
My question is: what do you think should be the basis for what should and shouldn't be killed? It seems like you have a lot of empathy, but that empathy only extends to humans and possibly pets. Psychologically, that's typical of humans, so there's nothing wrong with that. I'm just observing.
#349 - malific (03/14/2014) [-]
I draw the line at conception, for human life.
The reason why.
For a human of any age, they will live a long life, full of experiences, unless some outside force (disease, accident, or intentional harm) interrupts and ends that life. It WILL happen. That life WILL be lived.
This applies to you, to me, to every life in every form on the planet.
This also applies to the single cell inside of a female that has divided into 2 cells. Without outside influence those cells WILL live a long life full of experiences.
As to the animal side of it, I've already stated I value human life over other animals, and i see this as a natural reaction being a human. I don't LIKE that fact that animals are butchered enmass to support us and our lifestyles, but I also know it's a necessity of our existence. The human population has become too large to support it with a simple hunter gatherer system back in the early days of civilization.
So while I don't like the fact that cows are herded and butchered in inhumane conditions, I realize that inhumane applies is used for terms of being cruel, and the conditions bovines are kept in is not intentionally so but more necessarily so. I see it as inhumane as a pride of lions taking down a giraffe by corralling it, and slowly wounding, bleeding, exhausting it to death. A very tortuous and inhumane situation.
As to pets, That's a more difficult concept. Pets seem more along the lines of family. And I find myself unable to decide which life I would value more, that of my pet or a stranger. I believe that if another human was attempting to kill my pet I would most likely cause them very grievous harm but I doubt I would kill them. Of course that is something I am unsure of what exactly I would do, having never encountered it.
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